PipeChat Digest #3978 - Tuesday, September 16, 2003 RE: disheartening by "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: tuning problem by "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Saving Roosevelt Opus 408 (1890) by "TommyLee Whitlock" <email@example.com> expense of pipe organs by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> RE: Out of the closet! by "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: RE: disheartening From: "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:30:11 -0400 Paul, Since when is what type of organ to get the architect's decision? That architect way overstepped his/her bounds and took control over decisions that are not his/her place and that he/she is unqualified to make=2E He/s= he should have come to you, because you have the proper expertise THEY do not= ! Andrew Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: FXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHP Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:34:22 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: RE: disheartening Bud, I agree with most of what you say, but fortunately I have never been in th= e position of "spearheading" a campaign for a new pipe organ=2E You have be= en, and apparently were successful there, and I admire that greatly, even if i= t happened in an unusually affluent area; but not everyone has the necessary= charisma, personality, chutzpah, whatever it takes=2E I doubt that I coul= d bring it off=2E In any case, it's largely a matter of getting *large amounts* of money out of certain other people, and then small-to-moderate amounts, perhaps widows' mites, out of a substantial number of others=2E = No way could the musicians pay for such a dream themselves=2E=20 All I can say for myself is that when one church for whom I was working wa= s planning a new building and, in a presentation to the congregation, the architect cooly explained, without having asked anyone AFAIK, that "the type of organ planned is electronic", I publicly hit the roof=2E I pointe= d out that many churches have come to want a pipe organ so much that they have bent over backwards to squeeze it into inadequate or even ridiculous sites, sometimes at considerable additional expense and often with patheti= c compromise to the results, simply because no one had had the modicum of foresight and guts to allocate proper space for one when their building wa= s being planned=2E I asked must history repeat itself? Must we hamstring th= e next generation here, so that they must sadly renounce getting the pipe organ that they want because it is precluded by the design of the building= ? A few people cheered and applauded, and the architects went back to the drawing board and made changes that I doubt they would have made if I hadn't spoken up=2E Not only did they get their space for a pipe organ; whadya know, within another year they got a pipe organ, used from another church=2E I did good, no? But I don't imagine that it is always as easy= as that=2E > One Episcopal Church is still served by a VERY robust 2m/ped=20 Estey REED organ, which has been passed down from church to church over=20= the years as new missions are started=2E > I did something similar for the Vicar of a mission in Alpine, CA, who=20= was determined NOT to have an electronic=2E I found him a very nice 2m/ped= =20 Vocalion reed organ=2E Unfortunately a change in Vicars some years later=20= consigned the Vocalion to a museum housed in a former church, replaced=20 by a used Conn theatre "organ" (!)=2E The Vocalion is still in regular use= =20 for weddings=2E I'll never say that an electronic is musically preferable to a pipe organ=2E= =20 If I ever encourage a church to replace a pipe organ with an electronic, o= r to buy more than a minimal electronic as a functional, stopgap measure, ma= y God have mercy on my soul=2E But I'd say without hesitation that a *moder= n* electronic-imitation is preferable to a reed-imitation=2E So I ask again: what do we contemplate for those churches that would have bought reed organs 100-150 years ago? "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E
(back) Subject: Re: tuning problem From: "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:36:55 -0400 Roy, He is scheduled to come in November=2E But in the meantime I got it fixed= =2E=20 It turns out I had the pipes in the wrong holes=2E=2Elol The scale is all= screwed up and the b pipe is actually longer than the b-flat But all is fine now=2E Thanks for your advice=2E Andrew Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: EGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMNNS Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:41:05 -0500 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: tuning problem It is normal to have reed stops completed with flues at the top=2E Very s= mall reeds are difficult to make, voice, and maintain=2E The "dollar bill tric= k" is for the tongue of reed pipes=2E I have never heard of using it to clean f= lue pipes=2E Since you have these problems, why don't you call your organ technician?=2E I think this would save endless frustration and perhaps damage to these pipes=2E Roy Redman "ameagher@stny=2Err=2Ecom" wrote: > This question is for the builders on the list=2E I preside over a Wicks= > organ that had pipes in the trumpet rank that wouldn't sound=2E when I = went > in the chamber I was surprised to see that the highest pipes(some of whi= ch > were the onse not sounding) were not not reeds at all=2E The top 5 not= es > appeared to be flu pipes=2E They had the mouth in the middle and a slee= ve on > the top and no sign of a reed or tuning wire and no ears=2E I was able = to > get them to sound by doing the dollar bill trick in the mouth to get the= > dust out, however was not able to figure out how to tune them=2E I trie= d > moving the sleeve to no avain and there are no ears so didn't know what > else to do=2E I don't know what Wicks was thinking by not completing th= e > rank with all regualr reed pipes with tuning wires and such but it won't= > tune=2E do any of you bulders have any ideas about how to tune these pi= pes=2E > Thanks > > Andrew > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E
(back) Subject: Re: Saving Roosevelt Opus 408 (1890) From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:33:10 -0400 > It was appalling that I was forced to purchase it, even though > the church authorities were ALSO willing to let it go down with > the building. "Buy it or we'll destroy it" doesn't seem very spiritual > to me. Frankly, it seems very mean-spirited and spiteful of them. Delighted that = you were able to save the instrument and I hope you can find an appreciative = home for it. At the OHS convention in Chicago, 2002, the instrument I enjoyed hearing = the most was the Roosevelt at St James Church. This was the organ that = Wilhelm Middelschult played. What a wonderful sound! It filled the room and yet = the sound was warm and pleasant to the ears, and this was not a *small* = church. Many others had similar comments about it. If the one you saved sounds anything like the one we heard then, I hope = not only that it will sing sweetly again soon, but that I will get a chance to = hear it!! Cheers, TommyLee
(back) Subject: expense of pipe organs From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:04:19 -0500 (CDT) Pipe organs may be expensive, but unless things have changed, I believe the profit margine is extremely low in comparison to what most of the the world thinks is profitable. For instance, friends of mine who are familiar with the electronic/computer industry tell me that mark-up is extremely high....that electronic organs could be sold much cheaper. Comments from organ builders?
(back) Subject: RE: Out of the closet! From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Helo, Thank Paul...yours was the long version! Aled Jones is doing very, very well for himself as a presenter of religious music programmes and in other roles. They tell me that he is the most charming and loveable person. Now a very acceptable Tenor with a really fine top reach in the Welsh tradition of things, he makes for some very acceptable listening indeed; made all the better by that clarity of diction he absorbed during his days at Bangor. Yes....he's doing well for himself. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote: > Colin Mitchell writes: > > > Aled Jones, interviewing two of the "Sixteen" (an > eighth by any other name). > > > "Don't you feel the presence of God when you sing > Bach?" > > That's the first I've heard of Aled Jones for a long > time. What/how is he doing these days? (In the > early 1980s he was a chorister > of Bangor Cathedral who went on to a brilliant > independent career as a solo treble.) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com