PipeChat Digest #3981 - Tuesday, September 16, 2003
 
IRC for WebTV & a warning about mIRC 6.1
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: expense of pipe organs
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: enough is enough
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: enough is enough
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: enough is enough
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: enough is enough
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: expense of pipe organs
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
RE: enough is enough
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Bach in the closet
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: fugue? invention?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: professional church musicians
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: Pure Hammond - Mischief
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: Pure Hammond - Mischief
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: Bach in the closet
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Bach in the closet
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Bach in the closet; Tillman at Emanu-El
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: IRC for WebTV & a warning about mIRC 6.1 From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:19:27 -0400   Terry, I think your WebTV is compatible with the java interface (a web page) for the IRC channel. Try using this URL: http://irc.pipechat.org:8080 Yes, you have to type the :8080 at the end for it to work...that connects you to a specific port on the = server.   For the rest of you, a note about mIRC from the person who wrote the = guide http://www.pipechat.org/mirc.html ......   The newest version of mIRC, number 6.1, has a few issues that make me = very uncomfortable. It's quite different from the last release (6.03), and can =   pull some nasty tricks if you decide to go back to an old version rather than pay to register it. I have faith this will eventually get sorted = out, but for the meanwhile....save yourself the stress.   If you already have a copy of mIRC between versions 5.9 and 6.03, stay where you are for a while. These slightly older versions will be = perfectly functional for a long time.   If you don't already have a working copy of mIRC, and would like one, let =   me know and I'll make the install file for 6.03 available. It's a teeny bit over 1mb, small enough for email these days. This version is = perfectly safe, guaranteed. :)   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: expense of pipe organs From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:45:25 -0400   Right you are. This location was primarily a piano showroom, with a few home organs scattered around. The dealership's main office is elsewhere. When they moved the showroom to the larger and less expensive location, they opened another for church organs a few doors down.   Dale, I'm not sure what I missed, but what's the deal with saucers of = milk? Is it an inside joke or am I just dense? I have cats, but they eat the livers out of shrews they catch themselves.   >From: <Keys4bach@aol.com>   >> Gee, I had never considered making a serious organ purchase decision in a >> shopping mall. >> > >Saucer of milk time.<G> Obviously the dealer sold more than church >organs....at least i am guessing? > >dale in Florida > http://www.nauticom.net  
(back) Subject: Re: enough is enough From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:44:24 EDT   Hello quilisma@cox.net,   In reference to your comment:   I have looked to the online organists' community for mutual support and mutual benefit in the past; it would seem that is no longer possible. Therefore, I have no choice but to withdraw from this list until such time as sanity once again prevails.   Dear Bud,   I read this with great dismay.   Those of us who have offered support and mutual benefit are still here; apparently there are a few vocal (verbal?) PipeChatters who are stirring = the pot a bit. Perhaps it's a bit hasty to tar us all with the same brush.   And pleeeeeeeeease don't wait for sanity to prevail..... that could be several lifetimes!   Love ya, Victoria    
(back) Subject: Re: enough is enough From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:47:58 -0500   It's all in the attitude, Bud. Sorry you didn't get it. We've all been = taken down a few notches in our lifetimes. Some of us wipe off the dust and move =   on. Others have let it boil to the extent that any future possibility of employment has lead to dead-end roads. Try not to inadvertently burn bridges.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: quilisma@cox.net >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: enough is enough >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 07:03:34 -0700 > >Dear Colleagues, > >Last night on PipeChat, a vicious and unprincipled attack was made upon = me >as a professional church musician ... a continuation of the rancorous >discussion that has been going on here. > >I have been accused of being unchristian, greedy, unprincipled, mentally >unbalanced, and a host of other things, both publicly and privately, >because I made my LIVING in church music. > >Enough is enough. > >For the record, I am a life-long PRACTICING high-church Episcopalian. > >I paid DEARLY for my musical education ... I had to stop in the middle = and >work for five years in order to have the money to continue. > >I do indeed have high standards regarding organ-building, and regarding >liturgy and music. I received those from my teachers, two of whom were >pupils of T. Tertius Noble. I knew Dr. Willan in the last years of his >life, and I have always taken the program at St. Mary Magdalene in = Toronto >as the model for my own programs. > >I have looked to the online organists' community for mutual support and >mutual benefit in the past; it would seem that is no longer possible. > >Therefore, I have no choice but to withdraw from this list until such = time >as sanity once again prevails. > >Bud Clark > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es    
(back) Subject: Re: enough is enough From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:52:54 -0500   This may be testimonial to the way he left St. Matthews. Although let me say, that I do not know him personally, professionally or know of his past =   works at all. My impressions are merely from the posts I've seen. And to = me they seem very negative with much "anger baggage". From my "people" experience, some of it is justifiable (as life is unfair and we all vent when we've been treated unfairly). But most of it could have been handled = in a more adult fashion.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: enough is enough >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:48:00 -0400 > >Bud and all other PipeChatters, > >I was present at the IRC session last night, and I was quite astounded at =   >the way Bud suddenly left us. I did not think that he was being "Got = at", >but that the discussion was devolving around the need, or even the >possibility, for all the benefits that he was suggesting that all >Organists/Choirmasters should receive. > >I have broached this subject myself in the past, and although I can >sympathise with Bud's hopes and dreams, it is my view that in the = majority >of churches their simply isn't the money available. I have always held = the >view that although ideals are all well and good, the bottom line is = whether >the church can afford these expenses, - in my view, most of them cannot. > >I also believe that fancy titles, such as Minister of Music, or Director = of >Music, only tend to make the incumbent feel in a stronger position, = (salary >and benefits wise), than he/she really is. That is not to say that Bud's =   >recent experiences with his last job are to be condoned, for it seems = that >at St. Matthew's church there were other matters that took part in the >decision by the Rector and Vestry to aks him to leave. > >I belong to the school of thought that believes all that is really needed =   >is a good, committed Organist and Choirmaster to serve the needs of most >church organisations. I also believe that the Labourer is worthy of his >hire, - but not to the elevated heights that some Ministers of Music, or >Directors of Music seem to expect due to their rather overly inflated job =   >titles! > >It is different with a Cathedral appointment, for that is where the >incumbent is expected to fulfil all the requirements of the appointment, = - >but even there, - well just look at what happened to Martin Neary who was =   >fired from his post at Westminster Abbey for doing what several >generations of organist in Cathedral posts have been doing for centuries. > >I am not ranting, - just trying to see it the way it is, and I hope that >Bud will reconsider his decision to withdraw from our ranks, - I am not = at >all sure that the comments were directed at him. > >Bob Conway > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general    
(back) Subject: Re: enough is enough From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:57:39 EDT   Hello mike6514@hotmail.com,   In reference to your comment:   This may be testimonial to the way he left St. Matthews. Although let me say, that I do not know him personally, professionally or know of his past works at all. My impressions are merely from the posts I've seen. And to me they seem very negative with much "anger baggage". From my "people" experience, some of it is justifiable (as life is unfair and we all vent when we've been treated unfairly). But most of it could have been handled in a more adult fashion. Mike Franch in Madison, WI ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike,   Perhaps it would have been more "adult" to say that it could have been handled in a different fashion.   Throwing kerosene on a fire rarely puts it out.   Victoria Hedberg, on Long Island      
(back) Subject: Re: expense of pipe organs From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:58:55 -0500   I can remember a nice little old lady who sold FunMachine's in our local shopping mall. She would demonstrate that thing by playing with two = pencils. COOL!   Those things flew off the showroom floor.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: jch <opus1100@catoe.org> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: expense of pipe organs >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:08:03 -0500 > >At 11:31 AM 9/16/03 -0400, you wrote: >>Our local digital dealer recently moved his piano and organ showroom >>from a corner location in a shopping mall > >Gee, I had never considered making a serious organ purchase decision in a =   >shopping mall. > >Jon > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam    
(back) Subject: RE: enough is enough From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:54:16 -0500   I would venture to say that Victoria knows whereof she writes.   =20   Peter   =20   -----Original Message----- From: Myosotis51@aol.com [mailto:Myosotis51@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:44 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org; quilisma@cox.net Subject: Re: enough is enough   =20   Hello quilisma@cox.net,   In reference to your comment:   I have looked to the online organists' community for mutual support and mutual benefit in the past; it would seem that is no longer possible. Therefore, I have no choice but to withdraw from this list until such time as sanity once again prevails.   Dear Bud,   I read this with great dismay.   Those of us who have offered support and mutual benefit are still here; apparently there are a few vocal (verbal?) PipeChatters who are stirring the pot a bit. Perhaps it's a bit hasty to tar us all with the same brush.   And pleeeeeeeeease don't wait for sanity to prevail..... that could be several lifetimes!   Love ya, Victoria      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach in the closet From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:59:53 -0700 (PDT)   Oh dear,   Me? A music master at church?   As I said, I don't really think they would worry if I were made of plastic and I could be plugged in to a wall-socket.   Long gone are the days when church "performance" meant choral services every day, conducting a more or less professional choir and grinding through the repertoire in a choir school. Until you have done that, day in day out, you can never understand why worship is the last thing on the agenda.   Personally, I rather like silent worship, or at the most, the austerity of plainsong.   If the churches are collapsing, it is exactly because they no longer fulfill a role or take any active part in the real world, and yet, as I was trying to demonstrate, the world cries out for love and compassion.   If I were forced to make a choice between playing a lovely organ in a very beautiful piece of architecture, or doing something which I know to be vitally important to two struggling kids, I know which I would choose.   In fact, it wouldn't be a choice at all......   I didn't say I hadn't got faith, I merely said that I had no faith in religion!   Music is, for me, quite low on my list of priorities in life.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> wrote:   > Colin, > > Logic tells me that either you or your church > employer is inconsistent. > > In your mind you are playing for "Colin's house of > music", for self > gratification and maybe a paycheck. > > I always thought churches were "Houses of God", > where all things including > the music was to be done "to the glory of God". > > I don't suppose a "church music specialist", is very > employable outside a > church setting, so that is why you have one foot in > the church, and one > foot out of it. > > Maybe also, it hasn't dawned on you, that if the > people you play to have > exactly the same attitude as you, eventually you > would be playing to > nobody, as essentially, a church by it's very > definition is a group of > believers (who believe at least something), not a > group of people who just > meet once a week to hear the latest from the music > master. From what I > have heard about the church situation in England, > most parish churches are > pretty much on life support, probably within 10 > years a lot of them will be > closed. Unbelievers do not keep the church going, > or forever keep paying > organists to do their thing. > > Just my thoughts..................... > > Arie V. > > P.S. It may surprise you, that the Dutch can indeed > be very liberal, they > can also be very conservative, and most anything in > between.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: fugue? invention? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT)   Crumbs,   Presumably we are thinking Bach Inventions/Fugues here?   Inventions are "usually" in free imitative style. In other words, the various strands imitate, may well be highly contrapuntal, may follow a strict harmonic sequence and may be mathematically exact. However, the fact that the imitation and counterpoint is, to all intents and pruposes "free", means that it is more inventive than an exact science.   Fugue has a subject and a counter-subject. It answers at specific points, and follows a particular pattern. A counter subject and the subject may work upside down, backwards, at half speed or double speed, but the manner in which that is done is quite formal.   I cannot answer more specifically without a score in front of me, but I would urge you to look at the Fugal form. Look up Subject, Counter Subject, Diminution, Augmentation, Invertible counterpoint, stretti, false entries etc etc. Then consider the harmonic progressions and the keys in which the fugal voices are heard....it is all part of the science of Bach, but it does, of course, make also the most beautiful art. Indeed, "The art of Fugue" is the alpha and omega of fugal writing.   Then award yourself another degree!   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> wrote: > OK back on topic. > Will someone please explain to me the difference > between a fugue and an invention? My explanations > so far have fallen short. > Thanks, > Amy Fleming     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: professional church musicians From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:26:31 -0500   I thought it had something to do with reduced pay and no pay for non attendance. Did I miss something? I didn't see anything about a forced resignation where they asked him to resign.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   >From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Re: professional church musicians >Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:56:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Another mmmm, > >The gang-plank or a bullet? > >That is not choice. > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK > >--- quilisma@cox.net wrote: > > I was given a choice: resign, or be fired. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Pure Hammond - Mischief From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:34:32 -0500   Why am I getting this one twice???   Mike Franch in Madison, WI     >From: Gfc234@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Pure Hammond - Mischief >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:18:05 EDT > >In a message dated 9/15/2003 3:10:51 PM Central Daylight Time, >ray_ahrens@msn.com writes: >Please take this catfight somewhere else! >Mr. Ahern, >The conclusion of my post stated that it was my FINAL post on the = subject. >But thanks for your concern. > >Gregory Ceurvorst >M.M. Organ Performance Student >Northwestern University >Director of Music and Organist >St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL >847.332.2788 home >708.243.2549 mobile >gfc234@aol.com   _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam    
(back) Subject: Re: Pure Hammond - Mischief From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:42:47 EDT   In a message dated 9/16/2003 3:37:40 PM Central Daylight Time, mike6514@hotmail.com writes: Why am I getting this one twice???   Mike Franch in Madison, WI Sorry, Mike- My comp. was being v. strange the other day. When I typed the post, and clicked send, I got an error message stating that I could not send email = to the net, so I clicked again. Apparently it sent the message twice, and lied = to me in the process :) So so strange.   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Bach in the closet From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:55:32 -0400   > Logic tells me that either you or your church employer is = inconsistent.   > In your mind you are playing for "Colin's house of music", for self=20 gratification and maybe a paycheck.   If that is true, perhaps it is because he has come to find the = contemporary church and its members inscrutable, and he is sick and = tired of being stepped on and hurt. Like Bud, like me, like many others = here.   I may or may not play for the paycheck. It depends on the denomination = and the position. Funny thing is, when I just play for the paycheck, = cheerfully following orders no matter how ridiculous, I flourish even = with one hand tied behind my back, take my money and run, and everyone = is happy. So why don't we all just do that? It would save so much = physical and emotional wear and tear, our lives would be much more = stress-free, and the paychecks would keep on coming. We run into = problems when we care.   I thought I had this all figured out twenty years ago. Then I did it = again: took my turn at a gorgeous church not too far away, with an = impressive organ, fairly good liturgical churchmanship, and, at least in = the past, one of the more glorious musical traditions in the diocese-- = altogether more of a class act than your random parish. The paycheck = wasn't that much; I've had better. I didn't take the job for that. But = I guess I should have been satisfied with it, especially given its = reputation as a revolving door. The place had opened in the early = 1930s, and as of the late 1970s the first organist-choirmaster to be = hired was still there, long after most people his age had retired, but = he was still nimble enough to fall off the piano bench, do a somersault = on the floor, and land back on his feet grinning. He was a legend in = his own time, especially with his current and past choristers. He once = said, "The church tells us that we might go to heaven when we die, but = doing this work I think I'm in heaven already." (I wonder, is that what = Arie means by self-gratification?) But then in came a revisionist = rector. Soon he had hounded this musician out after more than forty = years of service. Ever since then the church has had a succession of = able organists, none lasting more than three years. Silly me, thinking = that I would be an exception! Indeed I didn't actually seek the job = until a friend there asked me to apply. But I daresay I would still be = there had I not cared enough to venture beyond the call of duty because = I had started caring about the church and the people. It's the kind of = place that gets musicians to love it, and one way or another, that seems = to have been the downfall of the whole lot of them.   > I always thought churches were "Houses of God", where all things = including=20 the music was to be done "to the glory of God".   Last time you wrote, the most important thing was the Great Commission. = Well, whatever: I responded by describing how things used to be, with = excellent, authentic, time-honored music programs dedicated to the glory = of God that also just happened to serve the Great Commission better than = anything the PC crowd, who don't have the nerve to stand up for them, = have come up with in their place. From what I've read from Colin over = many months, I assume that he agrees with such ideals. Is it our fault = that they're gone? It's a depressing situation; as someone commented to = me privately, how the glory has departed in our own time is "one of the = most painful truths I can contemplate." Ah, but there are still jobs = that pay much better by the hour (seeing as how there is so much less to = do) than they used to. Why do you suppose we don't just go out and = "have a nice day?" =20      
(back) Subject: Bach in the closet From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:01:16 -0400   Arie is getting my dander up. The following remark:   > Logic tells me that either you or your church employer is inconsistent. > > In your mind you are playing for "Colin's house of music", for self > gratification and maybe a paycheck. > > I always thought churches were "Houses of God", where all things > including > the music was to be done "to the glory of God". >   is insulting to those of us who take our work seriously and who recognize that the music they present to their congregations each week is, indeed, an expression of their own spirituality, offered to the glory of God, albeit while recognizing that such expressions must be confined as the powers that be deem appropriate. In other words, I would not do easter music in a synagogue on rosh hashanna (leaving aside the fact that in most synagogues, it is the cantor who is in charge of the music, not the organist). I always tell my choirs that it is NOT "David's choir" or "David's organ", etc., and invite their input into the choir's offerings, yet I also tell them that I am in charge because the powers that be want it that way and thus I don't promise to follow the choir's wishes, only to consider them (I call it a "benevolent dictatorship"). I further explain that this is because the powers want to repose their trust and confidence in someone whom they believe to be competent to do the job based on training and experience. Thus IMHO individual self-expression from the organist/music director/whatever is no more banned from the organist/music director/whatever than it is from the clergy or anyone else performing a ministerial function. (Note that I said "ministerial", not "clerical".) In other words, I have no problem with it being "Colin's house of music" (or David's or Arie's or Bud's) any more than I have a problem with it being "Reverend's house of preaching". A creative balance can be struck; one need look no further than St. Thomas Fifth Avenue (NYC) and Church of the Advent (Boston) for excellent examples of churches where the musicians and clergy both have put their own distinctive imprimatur on their respective ministries. I suspect that Congregation Emmanuel in NYC has a similar balance, nu, Sebastian? Hunter Tillman has been there quite a while, hasn't he?   I respectfully suggest that Arie needs to examine why he believes organists/music directors/whatever are second class citizens.   Apologies for a second rant in the same day, but this is obviously somewhat of a sore point for me.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach in the closet; Tillman at Emanu-El From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:32:57 EDT   Dear David: Hunter Tillman is indeed nearing the half-century mark of his musical association with Temple Emanu-El. He is responsible for both the Beth-El Chapel and Sanctuary organ projects, and during the planning phases, understood the historic = significance of retaining what could be used from the finest parts of both older organs. = He also put up with my "mixture disorder" and my "reed syndrome," and did not veto = a single artistic decision I made (except for the 27-rank Positive section, = which never made it past the sketch stage). He has never asked that his name be placed on the letterboard on the southeast tower. He considers Emanu-El his second home, not his stage. He still turns crimson at the mere hint of a compliment. No matter how stressful life and times get, he treats everybody with respect. His devotion to Jewish liturgical music has been lifelong. And yes, Mr. Tillman is a Presbyterian.   Sebastian