PipeChat Digest #4003 - Monday, September 22, 2003
 
Library of Congress copies
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Just when you thought it was safe to read the list again .  . .
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
RE: Preaching/Lectionaries - request education here
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: preaching, and lectionaries
  by "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com>
OSI
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re:Builder's rep's approach to building
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Voice Question
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Liturgical preaching
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: OFF-TOPIC: preaching, and lectionaries
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
what are the Three Miracles celebrated at Epiphany
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Voice Question
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
stops controls
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: what are the Three Miracles celebrated at Epiphany
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: RSVP
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Japanese joke
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Hugeness, Hugicity, Hugiosity, Hugiciousness
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: ACCHO fans
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Hymn Registration
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Hymn Registration
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: voice question (slightly off topic)
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
 

(back) Subject: Library of Congress copies From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:27:57 -0400   To the list: I was wondering if anyone has dealt withe the Library of Congress getting copies of music which are on file there. Can they be sent by way = of the internet and Adobe? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <ameagher@stny.rr.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: RE: IRC tonight     I don't know if Steve Jobs has a beteter bod, but he certainly has a lot = of money which makes his bod immaterial to lots of women..lol   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: quilisma@cox.net Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:15:04 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: IRC tonight     Shall we gather at the 'puter Where bright cyber-fingers trod? Evil Empire notwithstanding, Steve Jobs has the better bod.   (CHORUS)   Yes, we'll gather at the 'puter, The beautiful, the beautiful 'puter! Yes, we'll gather at the 'puter, QWERTY-face'll get you if you nod.   9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time   (Anonymous)           "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Just when you thought it was safe to read the list again . . . From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:28:49 -0500   At 09:54 PM 9/21/2003 -0500, Glenda wrote: >I saw Gillian Weir playing with a shimmery gown replete with train >tonight! > >More later, but she's on her way to NYC and St. Ignatius.     Eagerly awaiting the forthcoming reports, Glenda! Enjoy it all for us!   Tim (who's not known for particular adherance to typical "safety rules"...<g>)    
(back) Subject: RE: Preaching/Lectionaries - request education here From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:39:56 -0500   > It's also called The Day of the Three Miracles, since we celebrate > Christ's baptism in the Jordan, his turning water into wine, and ... the =   > other one slips my mind right now ... all three are celebrated during > Epiphanytide   Transfiguration, Bud??   Jeff  
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: preaching, and lectionaries From: "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:32:24 -0500   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: OSI From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:35:43 -0500   HI list, I have done a lot of business with Organ Supply since I have started my house organ project. They have been most helpful and willing to listen to my idle prattle when I have asked them many questions.   This past summer I was on my way to Buffalo, NY and took a few pipes to have re-done there. I have an orchestral oboe that was made by Gottfried = in Erie, former owner in the 20's of OSI.   I was given the "royal" treatment and was very satisfied with the results that were done to my oboe and viola, ( it needed a new lanquid and foot, originally from Estey opus 290). Just my two cents worth.   Oh, by the way, Peterson's is great too. Just got an estimate on a combination action for home here. Not a bad price either. thanks, Gary      
(back) Subject: Re:Builder's rep's approach to building From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:36:17 EDT   >That=B9s unbeLIEVable! What an extreme turnoff! And he=B9s =B3hot=B2? Oy= ! (I=B9d >love to know who it is, but know better than to ask.) (Of course, I REALIZ= E >that that was just that =B3rep.=B2 Maybe he/she won=B9t be with them for l= ong.) > >Alan=20   Alan- The company I was referring to is currently one of the "hot" builders right=20 now. I think that they are riding on their fame. The rep has been with the= m=20 for a while, so I guess he's doing a good job for them, but I wasn't amused.= =20 How can someone design an organ without knowing how it will be used, the=20 musical requirements, the room, etc. =20   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Voice Question From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:38:46 -0500   Well, I'll throw in a voice question, too (my musical background is pretty weak when it comes to vocals): Why is it that classically-trained = singers, whether opera or lieder or whatever have that dark, thick quality to their voices which makes understanding the words so difficult......as compared = to the "natural" voice of say, (don't shoot me!) Bing Crosby or Frank = Sinatra?   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats    
(back) Subject: Re: Liturgical preaching From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:45:11 -0700   You make my point, David ... you were privileged to hear two of the preeminent preachers of the 20th century. They are few and far between. I'm sorry I never got to hear Fr. Andrew.   Cheers,   Bud   David Baker wrote: > Welcome back, Bud. I respectfully disagree about preaching in > liturgical churches. I was raised Presbyterian, but chose the episcopal =   > church as an adult in large part because of the extraordinary preaching > of the Rev. Canon Edward N. West, sometime sub-Dean of The Cathedral > (I'm sure you know which one). Later, as a member of St. Thomas Fifth > Avenue, I frequently got to hear the Rev. John G.B. Andrew preach. Both =   > of these fine priests knew how to preach directly and to the point, > efficiently but distinctly, and their published sermons are a continuing =   > source of inspiration. I think it would be better to say that > ordination should not be presumed to equal ability in the preaching > department; some clergy, no doubt, don't like to preach and know they > aren't good. They shouldn't be forced by custom to do so. A liturgy > without preaching would strike me as odd, however. > > My two cents. David Baker > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: preaching, and lectionaries From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:57:36 -0700   Read the Church Fathers, Ray ... music IS a requisite of liturgical worship. The medieval Low Mass was a corruption; it has no counterpart to this day in the Eastern Churches.   I would rather SING *to* God than listen to a man talk ABOUT him.   I'm reminded of the late Fr. William Cook, sometime rector of St. James Episcopal Church on 55th Street in Cleveland. On Easter Day, he came to the altar steps at the end of Mass (NOT having preached), and said   "In the protestant churches today, they'll be talking about the Risen Christ; we don't need to do that; the Risen Christ is with us ... here, and now."   Whereupon he turned, assumed the humeral veil, opened the Tabernacle, and deposited the Blessed Sacrament in the monstrance; we struck up "Hail Thee, Festival Day" with trumpets blaring, and the procession took off round the church. A more fitting end to the Easter Mass I cannot imagine, even though it would undoubtedly make present-day liturgists' hair stand on end.   For one thing, God can speak to us in the Liturgy in ways that preachers cannot imagine. MOST of my objection to preachers and preaching is their crabbed, cramped, narrow, myopic, anthropormorphic (sp?) view of God.   And by the way, I don't object to your description of liturgy as performance art ... it is indeed that, and among the most ancient. "To DO" is "To PERFORM", is it not? There's nothing dishonourable in PERFORMING the liturgy, or PERFORMING the music, except when seen through the prism of Calvinism, Jansenism, and Puritanism, which distrusts the engaging of ANY of the senses (save hearing only) in divine worship. CATHOLIC worship, on the other hand, engages ALL the senses, and rightfully so, as God gave us the senses as a means of perceiving His presence.   Cheers,   Bud   Ray Ahrens wrote: > > >(1) Preaching should be ABOLISHED, at least in liturgical churches. > >If you do the LITURGY with attention and devotion (and ALL the > >associated music), there's nothing more to say. > > Here we go again. Worship as performance art. I've been to liturgical > services where there has been preaching and no music. Gets right to the =   > heart of worship. Music is not a prerequisite. > > > > >You've HEARD the Word chanted or read; you've RECEIVED the Word > > >Incarnate in Holy Communion; there's nothing to add. And poor > >preaching often DISTRACTS from those two experiences. > > Poor music is worse than poor preaching imho. > > > > >The problem with preaching in NON-liturgical churches is that the > > >success of the entire service hangs on the preacher's ability (or > >lack of it). You have only to observe the dwindling crowds at the > >Crystal Cathedral under Dr. Schuller's son to see what I mean. He's > >not a BAD preacher, but the place was built on his father's force of > >personality in the pulpit, among other things. > > There surely must be other factors. He is but one of many leaders of > that church. > > >Lacking a liturgy to CARRY it, a non-liturgical preaching service > > >can be EXCRUCIATING if the preacher isn't OUTSTANDING, and not > >EVERYBODY *can* be outstanding. At my one Presbyterian post, the > >preacher was EXCELLENT, but I kept thinking to myself, "how do they > >sit THROUGH this EVERY SUNDAY??!!" > > Because they obviously get something out of it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get > Hotmail Extra Storage! <http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2752??PS=3D> "Pipe Up > and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: > mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: what are the Three Miracles celebrated at Epiphany From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:59:09 -0700   No, we celebrate that in August ... the Baptism, the Wedding at Cana, and ... somebody help me out here.   Cheers,   Bud   Jeff White wrote: >>It's also called The Day of the Three Miracles, since we celebrate >>Christ's baptism in the Jordan, his turning water into wine, and ... the =   >>other one slips my mind right now ... all three are celebrated during >>Epiphanytide > > > Transfiguration, Bud?? > > Jeff > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Voice Question From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:54:26 EDT     > which makes understanding the words so difficult.   Well the obvious, obnoxious answer would be, because they usually sing in = a foreign language. (hehe)   However, GOOD singers have good diction, period. GOOD singers also have = good resonance. Classically trained singers have resonance, as did Bing and Frank. There is NO excuse for poor diction. It usually means something in the = vocal set up is NOT set up properly.   Neil Brown    
(back) Subject: stops controls From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:56:06 -0500   List, Thanks for all of the responses that I have heard. I was taught on = a 1960 Moller with draw knobs and was then (thrown to the wolves), more on that one later if you wish, to a 1906 Estey with the keyboard type stop controls. I had no clue how to turn the Estey on let alone play it, but years later ( 1975) I did ok on that until the church was torn down 1976) and in 1996, have the pipework from that organ. I really like drawknobs myself but the console I have ( 1922 Hinners) has no room for them so I = have replaced the tabs with with rocker tabs from Peterson's. Gary      
(back) Subject: RE: what are the Three Miracles celebrated at Epiphany From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:17:44 -0500   Transfiguration in August? In the Lutheran world, this is the last Sunday of Epiphany before Lent.   Jeff   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > quilisma@cox.net > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:59 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: what are the Three Miracles celebrated at Epiphany > > > No, we celebrate that in August ... the Baptism, the Wedding at Cana, > and ... somebody help me out here. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Jeff White wrote: > >>It's also called The Day of the Three Miracles, since we celebrate > >>Christ's baptism in the Jordan, his turning water into wine, > and ... the > >>other one slips my mind right now ... all three are celebrated during > >>Epiphanytide > > > > > > Transfiguration, Bud?? > > > > Jeff > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: RSVP From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:30:22 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Yes   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 9/21/03 9:11 AM, "Colin Mitchell" > <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > "Please Sir! Your French Letters have arrived!" > > > Oh, boy; I thought THAT was a phrase that had long > disappeared! > > Do they still SAY that in the UK?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Japanese joke From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:41:50 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Which prompts a joke, I think.   A Japanese organ-builder invites a celebrated recitalist to try out a new organ in Tokyo.   The celebrated organist plays for awhile then stops. He turns to the organ builder and says, "The action is rubbery."   The organ builders beams a smile, bows gracefully and replies, "Thank you!"   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > Bob Conway wrote: > "And to keep on topic, they ARE used with organs!" > That is correct, they are used WITH organs, not > IN organs. > We're just getting the last of the Perflex > removed, and we don't wish to > experiment with anything else...     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Hugeness, Hugicity, Hugiosity, Hugiciousness From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:53:37 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   The 16ft octave of the Tuba rank at Hull City Hall in the UK has to be heard to be believed. It makes a Cavaille-Coll Bombarde sound tame as a pussy-cat's purr!   It is monstrously aggressive, and really only works with the big American style Orchestral Trumpet drawn; also voiced on 20" wind.   The Diaphone is sort of rumbling and smooth in tone, and with the Tuba drawn, there is a strange conflict of harmonic interests which result in an hetrodyne effect.......it is ghastly.   There is an alternative to this pairing. The trick is to use the 32ft Harmonics mixture with the Tuba, which sounds quite convincing as a 32ft reed. With the 32ft Bombardon (Diaphone), the only viable additions are either the Tromba ranks of the Great, or the 16ft extension of the 32ft Diaphone.   I've personally never come across anything like this strange effect before.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 9/21/03 8:00 AM, "Colin Mitchell" > <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > Dare I suggest that it's NOT the Tuba? Bear in mind > that non-ornithologist > Brit Robert Hope-Jones INVENTED the Diaphone. Not > for pipe organs, of > course, but for maritime warning systems.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: ACCHO fans From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:19:24 EDT   Nate:   The URL for the site is.....................................................................?   Ron    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Registration From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:33:05 +0100   We had this hymn and the gorgeous Francis Jackson tune 'East Acklam' ( his home village, it's only a few miles from here ) last Sunday but only after = I said 'over my dead body' to the Welsh 'Ar Hy Y Nos'.   I can't imagine a more unsuitable tune to 'For the fruits of his = Creation'. 'Oh, but we know that' I was told. They know East Acklam now and are = better for it.   I think it's prefereable to empahasise the 'Thanks be to God' phrase just with phrasing. After all, it occurs three times in each verse and the = effect of a registration change each time is a bit - well - naff.   IMHO, I hasten to add.   Bruce Miles   St John's Methodist, Market Weighton (not very) near York.   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html   ----- Original Message ----- From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Hymn Registration     > Dear Mike, > Today I was proud of playing 'For the fruits of His creation' - music by > Francis Jackson, as our concluding hymn(St. Leonard's Parish Church, Clent, > Worcestershire, G.B, .. Anglican). > I used a different manual for the phrases 'God's will be done' in every > verse, but based on mf, p, and ff, volumes in the 3 verses. > The organ is an 1869 Walker - somewhat limited in stops - but positioned so > that everything is heard clearly. > > Harry Grove > [a.k.a. musicman] > > For further information, I'd be happy for you to visit > http://www.clent-worcs.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Franch <mike6514@hotmail.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: 19 September 2003 03:33 > Subject: Hymn Registration > > > >Having played various organs throughout the years, I like to sit down = and > >hit the first general piston to see what it does. > > > >I usually get a myriad of great, swell, choir and pedal pistons with > >couplers. Which brings me to my question: > > > >How do you set up your general pistons from left to right or from 1 to = ? or > >whatever your arrangement is. > > > >How do you register for everyday hymn playing? Do you have special settings > >for certain hymns?. Do you have a registration that causes great = emotion > and > >pride whenever you use it? Do you change setting in mid verse or = between > >verses? Which hymn in your church gets everyone practically on their = feet > >when you play it? I would also like for you to include your = denomination > >when you respond if its not obvious. > > > >Mike Franch > >in Madison, WI > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > >https://broadband.msn.com > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn Registration From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:30:02 -0500   Hello, Harry, et al: The suggestion > ......(edited). I think it is ESSENTIAL to have a big > plenum sound with pedal reeds ready to go at the touch > of a button, the same goes for a quiet celestes/fonds piston. To which you inquired > And for those of us without the (bare) essentials ? > > Harry Grove carries with it just a hint of the mixed-emotions that the French must have felt when Marie Antoinette quipped, "Well, let them eat cake..." <grins> F. Richard Burt ..  
(back) Subject: Re: voice question (slightly off topic) From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:10:04 -0500   Hello, Amy, et al: My own experience with vibrato is a mixed bag. From my earliest childhood, I loved to sing. My mother would encourage me, however, "...to sing on key." That never meant anything to me until I was 14 years old. One day, while sitting at the piano, my mother, again, encouraged me to "...sing on key, Richard." For some reason, I asked her, "Do you mean for me to make my voice make the same pitch sound as this note?" ...as I struck one of them. Following, I actually heard myself move my voice around in the pitch range until it became in tune with the note I had sounded on the piano. "Yes," she smiled. "That's what I have been trying to get you to do since you were a very young child." Breakthrough! I connected with something very basic in music that, somehow, I had missed all through my childhood. I tell you this story to explain that singing, in a more favorable cooperative venture with the rest of mankind, was something that I had done from my early childhood, but had missed the "key" elements in that participation. My sister could sing on key from about age 2. Vibrato in singing was presented as the normal way to sing. Every classical and popular singer on the radio (before TV) had a vibrato. Kate Smith (God Bless America, fame) set the example for all to emulate. So, armed with a new-found understanding of what it meant to sing on key, I proceeded to emulate all that I had loved in my childhood. When I was studying voice privately in college, my teacher said that the vibrato was something that happened naturally when the proper resonance and breath support coincide. She then gave examples. I did my best to emulate those ideas as I sang. Later, much later, I joined a choir where the ideal was straight tone. The entonation was superb. I gained another insight. Those choirs in which I sang during my college years were made of vibrato-singing people. In my old age, the straight tone used in our choir at church required me to re-think my whole vocal technique. Blending the tone and keeping the pitch stable was very important in my new surroundings. Voila! More discoveries. However, I observed that when we got into some of the more heavy sounds at higher volumes, the vibrato broke out in most of our voices. Few of our singers could sing loudly and maintain stright tone, too. Our director never objected. When we were singing softly, he was constantly admonishing us to "...straighten it out. Smoothe out the wobbles." In one of my research projects, I remember a story about Franz Joseph Haydn. As a boy, he could sing well. The kappelmeister also found out that he could shake his tone. I assumed that to mean that he had learned how to use a vibrato with his singing. From that time onward, we know the rest of the story of this gifted person. G'nite, F. Richard Burt ..