PipeChat Digest #4012 - Wednesday, September 24, 2003
 
Elmore's Atlantic City Recordings on CD
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
A happier note
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: A happier note
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Good Mornin
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Re: Arghhh
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Re: Good Mornin
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Good Mornin
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Monstrance processions
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
RE: A happier note
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: A happier note
  by "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu>
Re: PS on poverty  (extremely OT)
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: OFF-TOPIC: politics and poverty
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: All Read - Poverty, etc
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: what's on-topic and what's not
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: what's on-topic and what's not
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Elmore's Atlantic City Recordings on CD From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:58:38 -0400   Robert Elmore's famous recordings made on the two great organs in the Atlantic City Convention Hall are now on one CD, after decades of unavailability. In November of 1956, Mercury Records recorded Elmore in stereo on the world's largest organ (7 manuals, 449 ranks built by the Midmer-Losh firm), when it was in-tune and functioning, playing works of = J. S. Bach in the 41,000-seat hall and released it on LP as "Bach on the Biggest." Elmore also recorded at the same time a very pleasing program on the very fine 1929 Kimball 4-55 located in the grand acoustic of the Ballroom, released on LP as "Boardwalk Pipes." The original stereo tapes have been digitally transferred with 24-bit technology in HDCD to a fully compatible CD that I have just listed at http://www.ohscatalog.org   We appreciate the patience of those who may have ordered from OHS within = the past week or so. We're back up and running after the disruptions wrought = by Isabel and, believe it, a tornado that struck the northern suburbs of Richmond this morning.   Bill      
(back) Subject: A happier note From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:41:10 -0500   There seems to be such unhappiness with churches and the situation some of us deal with, I just offer good news that there are good things happening all around the country.   An ideal situation.... a small church (240 members)... with a pipe organ, = a choir of twenty-two devoted members that enjoy singing..... a music = program that runs from Palestrina to Pinkham ..... a concert series with gifted young musicians from around the country .... two organists decently compensated .... both half time .... a gifted preacher with national standing ..... a carefully crafted liturgy drawn from a wide variety of sources, that is carefully planned far in advance ...... worship always culminates in a Service of Holy Communion .... and I am lucky enough to serve in such a situation... just celebrated my sixth year.   Sorry to brag or to sound like a "Pollyanna." It would be nice to hear = from others that are happy with their situation in the church from time to = time!   Sand      
(back) Subject: Re: A happier note From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:02:45 -0400   I'm happy where I am, too... the choir has 8 paid soloists and about 30 volunteers (who rival the soloists in their sightreading skills), the director is a choral expert and a good interpreter of a wide range of styles. Pipe organ, lovely Sanctuary. The clergy appreciate the music and quality, they are supportive rather than manipulative. The church is non-liturgical, but that doesn't prevent the music from being pretty on-target. And there are people in the congregation who actually recognize that and appreciate it. There's a contemporary service at the next worship hour, but it's totally separate and there's very little interaction and therefore rivalry.   There are always bad things, but I liked Sand's inspiration to talk about the good ones. Made me feel good after I ran into a large buck head-on at 6:30 am in the fog in my new Honda Pilot today. Thanks, Sand, I needed a bright spot!   Chuck Peery Cincinnati     On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 05:41 PM, Sand Lawn wrote:   > There seems to be such unhappiness with churches and the situation some > of > us deal with, I just offer good news that there are good things > happening > all around the country. > > An ideal situation.... a small church (240 members)... with a pipe > organ, a > choir of twenty-two devoted members that enjoy singing..... a music > program > that runs from Palestrina to Pinkham ..... a concert series with gifted > young musicians from around the country .... two organists decently > compensated .... both half time .... a gifted preacher with national > standing ..... a carefully crafted liturgy drawn from a wide variety of > sources, that is carefully planned far in advance ...... worship always > culminates in a Service of Holy Communion .... and I am lucky enough to > serve in such a situation... just celebrated my sixth year. > > Sorry to brag or to sound like a "Pollyanna." It would be nice to hear > from > others that are happy with their situation in the church from time to > time! > > Sand > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Mornin From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:23:38 -0400   >Regards,   >Colin Mitchell UK   Hi there,   Is there a good website about the Canterbury Cathedral organ online?   = -Nate   "The Apprentice"      
(back) Subject: Re: Arghhh From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:25:14 -0400   >This sounds all too familiar to me. I have rebuilt three organs with = the same problems. I have to ask, where is this organ?<   Hi all!   The organ is a nice little Steere (gone awry) in Clinton, CT at the = Congregational Church. Despite the description it is a good-natured = instrument and still has most of its original pipework excepting the = celeste. All pipework is enclosed except for the Diapason and pedal = Bourdon. The swell has a great chest with a Dulciana 8', Principal 4', = Melodia 8', I think I might be forgetting one. The swell chest has a 8' = Bourdon with 16' extension (borrowed action), a 2' principal (not = original) a Salicional (beautiful!!), diapason, stopped flute 8', open = metal flute 4', and oboe. The console is now solid state, new = reservoir, and the unit reed (16' 8' 4') and mixture (III) (which are = disabled) are also new to the organ.   = -Nate = "The Apprentice"  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Mornin From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:08:10 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Good Mornin     > I'm no accountant, but... > Come on - where's that enterprising American spirit? The whole thing = was > designed, built, and installed in 4 years.   By a company with hundreds of employees which went bankrupt in the = process. In 1950 Moller was building 200+ organs a year. That is more than the = total output of new pipe organs in five years in the U.S. today. Even then it would probably have taken Moller a couple of years to do the job. Is = there any company around with those resources today? If it were going to be restored in any reasonable time, it would probably take the combined = efforts of SEVERAL of the country's largest organbuilders for quite a few years. = Do you think that is going to be possible?   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Good Mornin From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:17:01 -0400   Dear Nate and List,   It's not all you will want, but there is a bit of a page about the Organs within the main Canterbury Cathedral site, with pictures.   http://www.canterbury-cathedral.org/   In the Mander rebuild of 1978, a new, small, nave Organ was built to = provide some leadership for congregational singing. We don't have the instrument = on our website, as it was just a rebuild/restoration, so I don't have a stop list. Further Googling might turn one up.   Actually, I just found a stoplist on the website of the late, much = lamented Julian Rhodes: http://www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/dream/cant.htm   All the best,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Good Mornin     > Hi there, > > Is there a good website about the Canterbury Cathedral organ = online? > > > -Nate > > "The Apprentice" >      
(back) Subject: Re: Monstrance processions From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:17:48 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Monstrance processions     On 9/22/03 6:43 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > we must remember that not all Pipechatters are Anglicans.   Bill. True, of course. But I=B9m glad for the stimulating conversation = of those who are (as well as of those who are not   Personally I am a lifelong Anglican. I was and brought up in the Church = of England, have a doctorate in theology from Oxford University, and have = been an Episcopalian since 1982. But if the Episcopal Church gets thrown out = of the Anglican Communion next month for having a gay bishop, I guess I shall cease to be Anglican.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: RE: A happier note From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:59:49 -0500   I, too, am happy where I am, and wish I could be there more time than I am able. I have a wonderful choir, an enthusiastic bell choir, a WONDERFUL pastor who's not only supportive, but patient, a congregation which = thrives and loves the music, a decent pipe organ, a monthly contemporary service that just about everyone attends (and therefore NO rivalry). Sure, the budget could be higher, and the organ could be completed if not added on = to, and I could get a grand piano for the church, and a 5th octave of handbells......gee...something to strive for! :)   Wait a sec...I just described my last two positions, too! :)   Jeff     > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Charles Peery > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:03 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: A happier note > > > I'm happy where I am, too...    
(back) Subject: Re: A happier note From: "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:23:05 -0400     While everything's not perfect, I am happy at my church--ELCA Lutheran, where I've been organist and music director for 4 years. This is a small congregation, approximately 200 members; of course, regular attendance is smaller. Pastor is super supportive, patient, and understanding and VERY overworked.   We replaced the Allen organ with a pipe organ 4 years ago (small Moller rescued from a church in Detroit that went under). We also have an Estonia grand.   Music is a mixture of contemporary (WOV) and standard LBW and the congregation sings with immense energy. Pastor is a good preacher and has a superb liturgical sense.   The church building is pretty awful visually but we have joined forces with another Lutheran community in forming a liturgical arts group.   The choir is, for the most part, faithful save for one curious loyalty: bowling. On any given Sunday, I'm likely to be missing one or more voices, absent without notice. For the life of me, I've been unable in 4 years, to get folks to let me know when they will be gone so planning has been difficult. This year, instead of asking choir members to let me know in advance if they can't be present, I've limited formal choir liturgical participation to major feasts and asked the parish, as a whole, for volunteers to commit to and prepare the music for each occasion.   This curious habit of just not showing up when something else comes along is pretty much a parish thing so it extends to more than just choir.   On the first Sunday of Advent the parish begins a year of retreat. We will take a collective look at what it means to be a dedicated Christian within a worship community. We are hoping and praying that a renewed sense of commitment to parish life will be a tangible outcome of this year of prayer and reflection.   MARGARETE THOMSEN `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ Good Shepherd Lutheran Church Redford, Michigan    
(back) Subject: Re: PS on poverty (extremely OT) From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:04:14 -0400   Victoria,   Drunks and Drugs addicts nad people running from the law are NOT the same as the mentally ill=2E Ron only refers to drunks abd Drug addicts nad tho= se runnung fromt he law in the part of his post that you quote=2E He makes n= o mention of the mentally ill=2E and I repeat they are NOT the same=2E Mos= t drunks and drug addicts and those running from the law are NOT mentally il= l=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: QQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLE Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:23:14 -0400 (EDT) To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: PS on poverty (extremely OT)     Hello RonSeverin@aol=2Ecom,   In reference to your comment:   =E8 Those who are, drug addicts, and drunks =E8 and people running from =E8 thelaw chose to live this way, =E8 but it's not necessary=2E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~   Ron,   I am very surprised and disappointed that you would take such a hard and=20=   unforgiving line=2E =20   Many of the mentally ill justly see "inpatient mental health care" as=20 "incarceration," and wish to keep their independence=2E They may be too i= ll to work,=20 but they do NOT want to be restrained behind locked doors=2E And, keep in=   mind,=20 even the VA hospitals are facing serious cuts, and there simply are not enough=20 beds for all those who need it=2E Shelters are generally used by those wh= o=20 are, and I quote, "drug addicts and drunks," and those who are mentally il= l are=20 afraid to stay in shelters because of this=2E   Now, IF the disabled veterans choose to live on the streets rather than a=20=   locked, understaffed ward, can you really blame them?   Victoria (also getting "handouts," as I paid a rather high price to survive cancer)=       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: OFF-TOPIC: politics and poverty From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:06:50 -0400   I agree with you about the war on drugs Bud=2E It's BS that someone can g= et 30 years for doing acid but a rapist can get off with 5=2E Rape is the fa= r worse crime and should be punished accordingly=2E The problem with the wa= r on drugs is that the penalty doesn't fit the crime=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: AOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNV Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:52:13 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: OFF-TOPIC: politics and poverty     Here's the thing: Orwell's "1984" just arrived a few years late=2E   Up is down, good is bad, black is white, Doublespeak and the Big Lie are=20=   the order of the day in government=2E   Destroy a country and a society in order to "save" it, for example=2E   Blaming the VICTIM of abuse is standard procedure for the ABUSER, for=20 another=2E   "it's THEIR fault; THEY'RE shiftless; THEY'RE druggies; THEY'RE running=20=   from the law," etc=2E etc=2E etc=2E   "A rising tide lifts all boats?"   Naw, they just empty their bilges on the rest of us=2E   But that's not what the GOVERNMENT wants you to believe=2E   I have something to say about the whole "war on drugs" mess:   NOBODY wants to look at WHY people turn to drugs =2E=2E=2E what is SO bad=20=   about contemporary society that people WANT to poison their bodies,=20 "turn on and tune out?"   Hopelessness=2E   Disease=2E   Poverty=2E   Oppression=2E   For starters=2E   So we spend untold billions on a war that's ALREADY lost=2E   That's right, folks, LOST=2E   NOW=2E   TODAY=2E   Not tomorrow, or the next day=2E   TODAY=2E   The war on drugs is a growth industry; the bureaucracy is self-sustaining=2E=     I live on a main thoroughfare in a lower middle-class neighborhood in=20 San Diego=2E A black-and-white passes (on average) every ten minutes=2E Ye= t=20 I could walk across the street and make a deal in thirty seconds flat,=20 if I wanted to=2E Any time of the day or night =2E=2E=2E 24/7=2E   Downtown on Market Street, behind the big new shopping mall, it's an=20 open supermarket=2E   You're not going to win the war until the ROOT CAUSES are extirpated=2E   It's that simple=2E   Same with poverty=2E   Education is the key; so what does the government want to do? Dismantle=20=   the free public school system=2E   Makes sense=2E   NOT!   Millions of children in America living in poverty, without enough food,=20=   and with NO health insurance =2E=2E=2E what does the government do?   Talk=2E   And raise zillions of dollars=2E   To get themselves re-elected=2E   So they can talk some more=2E   Is it any wonder the rate of participation of registered votes is less=20 than 40%?       Bud               "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: All Read - Poverty, etc From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:10:35 -0400   Sorry David,   I responded to one of the posts before I scrolled up to your post=2E In other words I didn't ignore your post, I just hadn't read it yet when I posted my response=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: Administrator admin@pipechat=2Eorg Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:26:01 -0500 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: All Read - Poverty, etc     Folks   We are getting extremely off-topic here and getting into the=20 political arena=2E It is time to drop this subject and get back to=20 organs which is on-topic for this list=2E   David --=20 **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: what's on-topic and what's not From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:38:18 -0400   Bud,   I hope that those organists that got axed on suspicion of being gay both sued and filed wrongful termination=2E They have great cases for both=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: quilisma@cox=2Enet Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:30:27 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: what's on-topic and what's not     David has been very even-handed about this (unlike some other=20 list-owners), and I thank him for that=2E   But =2E=2E=2E I would like to point out something: those of us who make ou= r=20 living in the "decorative arts" (and sadly, church music and=20 organ-building fall into that category) ARE particularly vulnerable to=20 every wind of economic OR social change=2E   For example, my pipe organ project at St=2E Matthew's crashed and burned=20=   over three things: the continued economic downturn, and the firestorm=20 following the Supreme Court sodomy decision and the ratification of=20 Bishop-Elect Robinson's election by the Episcopal General Convention=2E   Now, the first is rational, to a certain extent, though there were a=20 dozen parishioners who were wealthy enough that the downturn didn't=20 affect them=2E   The second and third weren't =2E=2E=2E the rector and a couple of individu= als=20 on the organ committee were simply lashing out =2E=2E=2E the organ was Bud= 's=20 pet project, so cancel the organ and force Bud to resign and feel all=20 better about striking a blow for =2E=2E=2E what? Heterosexuality?   Organists in the Episcopal dioceses who voted "no" on Bishop-Elect=20 Robinson are in TERROR of an anti-gay witch-hunt=2E At least one organist=20=   in the Diocese of Ft=2E Worth Texas has ALREADY lost his job as a result=2E=     Likewise RC organists, following the latests "blasts" from the Vatican=2E=20=   In one highly-publicized case, a long-time RC choirmaster DID lose his=20 job=2E The parish gave him the choice of repudiating his long-time=20 partner, or being fired=2E   I understand the frustration of those who just want to talk about=20 organs, and who are sick of hearing about politics and gay rights=2E I'M=20=   sick of it too =2E=2E=2E I've been in the trenches for 30+ years now=2E   But I get EQUALLY frustrated when people don't at least acknowledge that=20=   we're ALL affected by these things=2E   You don't have to be gay to be fired on "suspicion" of being gay=2E My=20 successor at All Saints' San Diego was there for EIGHTEEN YEARS; the=20 rector suddenly decided she was a lesbian (she wasn't) and she was out=20 the door=2E To her credit, she took the church AND the diocese to court=20=   and won a handsome settlement=2E   To drag this back SQUARELY on-topic (grin) =2E=2E=2E BECAUSE of such antic= s on=20 the part of churches, AND because of the ABYSMAL working conditions and=20=   salaries most of us endure, I think the calls for a professional TRADE=20 UNION are ENTIRELY justified=2E   Flame away! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: what's on-topic and what's not From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:39:27 -0400   Bud,   I also had no idea that the organists were allowed to vote on the Bishop Robinson thing=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: quilisma@cox=2Enet Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:30:27 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: what's on-topic and what's not     David has been very even-handed about this (unlike some other=20 list-owners), and I thank him for that=2E   But =2E=2E=2E I would like to point out something: those of us who make ou= r=20 living in the "decorative arts" (and sadly, church music and=20 organ-building fall into that category) ARE particularly vulnerable to=20 every wind of economic OR social change=2E   For example, my pipe organ project at St=2E Matthew's crashed and burned=20=   over three things: the continued economic downturn, and the firestorm=20 following the Supreme Court sodomy decision and the ratification of=20 Bishop-Elect Robinson's election by the Episcopal General Convention=2E   Now, the first is rational, to a certain extent, though there were a=20 dozen parishioners who were wealthy enough that the downturn didn't=20 affect them=2E   The second and third weren't =2E=2E=2E the rector and a couple of individu= als=20 on the organ committee were simply lashing out =2E=2E=2E the organ was Bud= 's=20 pet project, so cancel the organ and force Bud to resign and feel all=20 better about striking a blow for =2E=2E=2E what? Heterosexuality?   Organists in the Episcopal dioceses who voted "no" on Bishop-Elect=20 Robinson are in TERROR of an anti-gay witch-hunt=2E At least one organist=20=   in the Diocese of Ft=2E Worth Texas has ALREADY lost his job as a result=2E=     Likewise RC organists, following the latests "blasts" from the Vatican=2E=20=   In one highly-publicized case, a long-time RC choirmaster DID lose his=20 job=2E The parish gave him the choice of repudiating his long-time=20 partner, or being fired=2E   I understand the frustration of those who just want to talk about=20 organs, and who are sick of hearing about politics and gay rights=2E I'M=20=   sick of it too =2E=2E=2E I've been in the trenches for 30+ years now=2E   But I get EQUALLY frustrated when people don't at least acknowledge that=20=   we're ALL affected by these things=2E   You don't have to be gay to be fired on "suspicion" of being gay=2E My=20 successor at All Saints' San Diego was there for EIGHTEEN YEARS; the=20 rector suddenly decided she was a lesbian (she wasn't) and she was out=20 the door=2E To her credit, she took the church AND the diocese to court=20=   and won a handsome settlement=2E   To drag this back SQUARELY on-topic (grin) =2E=2E=2E BECAUSE of such antic= s on=20 the part of churches, AND because of the ABYSMAL working conditions and=20=   salaries most of us endure, I think the calls for a professional TRADE=20 UNION are ENTIRELY justified=2E   Flame away! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E