PipeChat Digest #4014 - Thursday, September 25, 2003
 
Re: More happy topics. (C:
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Hello!
  by "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca>
Salary Question
  by "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com>
Re: Salary Question
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Salary Question
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
IRC Question [WAS: Re: Salary Question]
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Craig Cramer Masterclass & Concert (X-Posted)
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: Messiah fee and edition?
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Messiah fee and edition?
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Disney organ pics
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Inter/Intra Manual couplers and AGO Specs
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: More happy topics. (C: From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:40:18 EDT   Hi Nate:   As far as tuning tools is concerned, IMHO is the tool that gets the job done, is comfortable to handle, and is long enough to reach those hard to get to pipes. One of the best tuning tools is a chest with the shorter pipes closest and a walk board of adequate width so the tuner can feel reasonably comfortable doing what needs to be done. I don't like hanging at odd angles with one hand so I can use the other teetering close to disaster. Plenty of head room, cool bright tube lights and walk around = room. A 150 W light bulb creates too much heat especially near the reeds and more delicate flues especially in cramped quarters with low headroom. The heat can taint the tuning process. Having a pipe chest with a good layout can be had if preliminary measurements of the available space are accurate on a new instrument.   How's that for an answer?   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello! From: "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:26:12 -0400   I had the opportunity to play on that particular Moller for about 10 = minutes while I was living in the area (Weston, CT) and agree with your = observations - delicious! - although I didn't get around to sampling the = 32' resultant!   Andreas Thiel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bigaquarium=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: Hello!     Good evening chatters,   Tuned a very nice 3m Moller at Golden Hill Methodist church in = Bridgeport, CT today. It was reduced from a 4m to a 3m in the 60's I = believe, but still has a very nice stoplist!! Among my favorites:   1 - The organ boasts 4 celestes!!!! (1 isn't working right now) 2 - The cornet 32' resultant in the pedal is the most hilariously cool = thing I have ever heard, it's a hoot!!! 3 - The 8' Concert Flute (Harmonic in the uppers) is beeeautiful   The organ has an echo division that is turned off right now pending = re-leathering..   Even so, if you're in the area, check it out! (C:   = -Nate = "The Apprentice"  
(back) Subject: Salary Question From: "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:21:51 -0500   Hello fellow Pipechatters!   I have a quick question regarding salary. I looked at the AGOs national guidelines for salary for a basic service playing certificate working 10 hours a week. They say salary should be anywhere from 10k-15k a year.   Heres where my problem comes in. I'm being hired by a cathedral and its a small town, around 70k people. I dont want to overcharge, but I dont want = to cut myself short either. I've gotten 10-20k before working in larger = cities.   Im also 19 yrs old. I think the pastor might think that is too much for a '19 yr old' Even though thats age discrimination. I also still have the = same expenses...music for services, and also to organ lessons.   To give you an idea of the level that im at some of the pieces I play are = : Widor Toccata, The Little Fugue in G minor, Piece Heroique, Franck; March = on a Theme by Handel, Guilmont; Grand Choeur Dialogue, Gigout.   Please if you could help me figure out what figure would be FAIR for both parties involved I'd appreciate it!   I've also heard talk about an IRC chat for Pipechat, whats the server to = use for that, and the name of the room? Id like to come and chat!     Thanks for all of your help ,   Rob   _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es    
(back) Subject: Re: Salary Question From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:35:19 EDT   In a message dated 9/24/2003 9:23:07 PM Central Daylight Time, e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com writes: I dont want to overcharge, but I dont want to cut myself short either. I've gotten 10-20k before working in larger = cities I wouldn't worry about overcharging if I were you. Go into the interview, =   smoke the Piece Heroique, the little g minor fugue, and close with the = Widor. After that, tell them EXACTLY what you expect for compensation. Shoot = high, cause they're proabably going to low ball you. Are you getting college = degrees in organ? If that's the case, you have license to ask for even more. = Good luck.   Gregory    
(back) Subject: Re: Salary Question From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:38:17 EDT   Rob and gang,   Salary is a big problem in any church and any denomination. Should you have the clergy for an advocate, you will = normally have ground to stand on. At Westminster, with close to 40 Sacred Music/Organ majors, at least 25 of which have church jobs, not to mention the countless other Conducting/Music Ed/Voice Perf/Piano/ and Pedagogy students who have jobs, = we encounter churches and institutions that only want to pay by service or minimums = based on the fact that we are "students". There is quite a bit of ground to argue = on in these respects. Given the larger church, how much time is required for = score prep, choir prep (is it pro or volunteer), administrative, etc. When I had = a summer internship at a major City Church in the tri-state area, I played = one service on Sunday nights, and was reimbursed for travel and $125 for each service, four hymns, prelude/postlude, interlude or vocal accomp. This was = fair considering the time, the organ, the attendance, and the Summer. Should = this have been during the year, it would need to be doubled.   Salary is based on abilities of the organist, AND the congregation. It may = be a Cathedral, but it may have no money. Needs come into play, and age and experience are huge as well. I've had my own church gigs since I was in = 8th grade, played in a number of denominations, and studied a great deal, but again, each church is different. I suggest stating one's needs, calculating the estimated time (including travel), and consider the job, people, and = conditions.   Best,   Peter Isherwood Who starts student teaching on Monday!  
(back) Subject: IRC Question [WAS: Re: Salary Question] From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:52:45 -0500   > >I've also heard talk about an IRC chat for Pipechat, whats the >server to use for that, and the name of the room? Id like to come >and chat!   Rob   All the information on how to connect to the IRC server, which is a private one only for PipeChatters, is on the PipeChat web site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   The "Normal" nights are Mondays and Fridays beginning at 9:00 PM EASTERN time, although you might find people in the chat room on other nights but that is catch-as-catch-can.   If you run into any problems in connecting please let me know and someone will assist you. We are always glad to have new folks appear. Please don't be shy if you sign on - many of the "regulars" do know each other and sometimes can be a bit intimidating to newcomers, but none of them "bite" <G>   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:01:31 EDT   Hi Y'all, I attended the Dedication Recital of the Garland Organ in Wichita Falls, Friday night. WOW !!!!! I started organ lessons (1963) with Nita Akin on the 1954 Aeolian-Skinner renovation and have played many times on the 1986 Range renovations. The = organ FUMC was a beautiful organ, but this organ is magnificent!   The organ is a tonal redesign, renovation, new pipework, new casework and digital stops. Garland Pipe Organs Inc. realized the technical portion of the project, including building, installing and voicing the organ. Robert Turner handcrafted a new 4 manual portable,organ console. Walker Technical Company built the digital stops. Frank Frimel designed the casework.   The organ features 76 ranks 4,513 pipes and 5 ranks of Walker digital = stops. The four families of organ tone are richly represented in the organ's stoplist. Each of the four manual divisions has its own independent principal = chorus. There are numerous supporting stopped and open flutes, including many mutation stops. Powerful chorus reeds are in each division, along with colorful solo reeds = in the Choir, Swell, and Bombarde divisions. The Choir and Swell division boasts five sets of silky strings with = celestes. (They are beautiful !!!!!) The Pedal division boasts eight ( EIGHT???) 32' stops and 3 of them are = not digital. The Pedal division also contains one of the world's rarest stops, a full-length, 64 foot, high pressure reed, (Ophicleide Heroique) non- = digital. ( BOY, does that put a bottom on it !!!!)   The Great Organ.... Unenclosed has 16 ranks, 1,084 pipes, has 31 speaking stops, tremulant and 3 intra manual couplers and 1 inter manual coupler.   The Swell Organ ..... Expressive has 22 ranks, 1,366 pipes, 23 speaking stops, tremulant and 3 intra manual =   couplers.   The Choir Organ .....Expressive has 24 ranks, 1,317 pipes, 29 speaking stops, tremulant and 3 intra manual =   couplers.   The Bombarde Organ...... Expressive has 8 ranks, 500 pipes, 15 speaking stops and tremulant.   The Pedal Organ...... 5 ranks, 252 pipes, 5 digital ranks and 36 speaking stops.   The Couplers are tilting tablets .....22   Accessories ..... 20 General Pistons affecting all stops and couplers, duplicated by toe = studs 10 Local Pistons for Great, Swell, Choir and Pedal 8 Local Pistons for Bombarde 4 Local Pistons for Couplers 128 levels of memory for combination action 6 Reversibles for Full Organ, Pedal couplers, All Swells to Swell 6 Reversible Toe Studs for Pedal 32's 4 Different Crescendo Settings MIDI and Sequencer   The Sanctuary has had some up-grade on the acoustics, when has made a big difference in the room. The sound now carries beyond the first pews and = actually blooms in the room.   The Dedication service and recital was excellent.   Dedication of the Organ ........ Dr. Robert Allen, Senior Minister Scripture ....... Psalm 150 Hymn ........ "When in Our Music God is Glorified"   Dr. George Baker in recital: Opening Words   Introduction to the Pipe Families, illustrated by the National Anthems of major contributing countries The Principals .......USA The Flutes ...... Germany The Strings ..... Great Britain The Reeds .....France   Improvisation on TE DEUM ..........Charles Tournmire   Toccata and Fugue in D minor.......J.S. Bach Concerto in G Major Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (transcribed by G. Baker) Three Schubler Chorale Preludes 1. Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme 2. Wer nur den lieben Gott lasst walten 3. Ach bleib bei uns, Herr Jesu Christ   Toccata from Symphony No. 5 for organ .......Charles-Marie Widor   The Entertainer (transcribed by G. Baker) ........Scott Joplin   Berceuse - Paraphrase .................George Baker Wer nur den lieben Gott lasst walten Tuba Tune Ragtime (world premiere, dedicated to the Prothro and Yeager families)   Dr. Baker did play an encore, but for the life of me, the name has slipped = my mind.... a J. Alain work of incredible beauty. Dr. Baker is represented by Karen McFarlane Artists.   Dr. Baker's presentation was virtually flawless, as I could see most of = the music in my head...<G> The only thing I wish he had done was slow down a bit. I have NEVER heard =   the Widor played as fast as that man can play it. <G>   I cannot "weasel" out of Kiyo the cost of this organ, except that it was several million dollars, and that the gift came from one family.   A truly magnificent organ.   Play GREAT and be SWELL, Van Vanpool, Organist FUMC Bowie, Texas    
(back) Subject: Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:19:56 -0500   At 11:01 PM 9/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:   >The Pedal division also contains one of the world's rarest stops, a >full-length, 64 foot, high pressure reed, (Ophicleide Heroique) non- >digital. ( BOY, does that put a bottom on it !!!!)   HUH?!?   WHAA...???   Details, please. . .?!   Tim      
(back) Subject: Craig Cramer Masterclass & Concert (X-Posted) From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:58:04 EDT   Hi all,   After the successful organ crawl last Saturday, we had another fantastic afternoon and evening yesterday, as the Fox Falley AGO co-sponsored Craig = Cramer at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois.   About 50 people came to the afternoon class (amazing that so many could = get away from their regular jobs), and while it seemed a bit more = "intellectual" than many of us are used to, we got very much out of his lecture "Musical Rhetoric on the Praeludium in E Minor, BuxWV 142 by Dieterich Buxtehude".   After the masterclass, about 20 of us went to a downtown restaurant in Wheaton (Illinois), and after eating a wonderful meal, were told it was = already paid for! What a great group of people, and one especially wonderful person = who loves to do this type of thing.   We had a leisurely walk back to Edman Chapel of Wheaton College to hear = the mighty Casavant in a memorable recital.   Fantasia In E Minor, Op. 52 Adolf Hesse A great introduction to the rich romantic sounds of this instrument, so cleanly and clearly played.   Noel: A minuit fut un Reveil Noel: Pour L'Amour de Marie Noel" de Saintonge Jean-Francois Dandrieu These delightful pieces showed many of the wonderful colors of this organ. = I was inspired to look them up and learn a couple of them.   Fantasia and Fugue in G Minor, BWV 542 Johann Sebastian Bach I had been warned by a trusted friend that Dr. Cramer tended to play this type of piece very fast. I was very pleased to hear that he must have = already "mellowed", because tempos allowed us to enjoy thoroughly every chord and counterpoint. I do not usually enjoy a fugue played on 16' through = Mixtures, but this organ does not tire ones ears in any fashion or sound. At times, = though, the 16 in the manual seemed a bit lugubrious, and I also normally don't = like an 8' reed honking along in the pedal, but this reed was smooth enough to = enjoy, and clearly brought out the pedal line, which would have been obscured = with the heavy manual registration. A really thrilling performance, well = controlled and seemingly easy.   Incarnation Suite on "puer natus est nobis" Joel Martinson Prelude Cantilena Meditation Postlude I couldn't help thinking that if I played any of these in church, I = wouldn't have a job for long (they just won't tolerate this type of organ music). = As part of this concert, though, they served to further explore the many = colors and volume levels of this organ with Resonance division.   Two Chorale Preludes Ethel Smyth Schwing dick auf zu deinem Gott Prelude and Fugue on "O Traurigkeit, O Herzeleid Every time I see these on a program, I think I might be interested, but = after listening to these, I confirmed my past desicions to not waste my time. While harmonically interesting at times, they sure do seem long, and = nearly monotonous (just my opinion, of course).   Lumina Firmin DeCerf Seeing this name conjured up visions of turning off the organ while = holding clusters of chords. This is nothing of that type, and was quite = thrilling. This was also the point in the program where Dr. Cramer came downstairs to = play the 4-manual detached console (the main console is tracker, except for the =   Resonance stuff).   Carillon de Westminster Louis Vierne Truly showed us what I call the "Montreal Sound" I heard at the OHS convention awhile back. Thrilling organs that Casavant built to fill huge = rooms (Edman Chapel seats a little over 2,000!) When all is blazing, this organ sound becomes aural massage, as your entire body and the building are involved = in shaking you to the core. Dr. Cramer knocked this one off like it was = effortless.   Needless to say, the audience of about 300 wouldn't let him go home = without an encore. He played a beautiful Neumeister Bach chorale on a couple of = the open flutes, beautifully understated and just gorgeous.   These thrilling and well-crafted concerts don't happen very often, and = this was just what is appropriate for this place and instrument (I'm not just = biased because I did my undergraduate degree here either). The concert was supported in part by a new endowment in honor of a previous professor of = organ at Wheaton College. Unfortunately, it is only large enough now to support = one concert per year. We're going to have to work on that!   Great crowd for a Monday night, and Dr. Cramer was so nice to visit with, = and he treated the students present with careful dignity, answering each = question with a generous amount of time spent when he could have been out in the = foyer signing CD's. I also got to meet Douglas Cleveland, who came from = Evanston (not a small drive!), another gracious person, and I look forward to = hearing him in a live performance soon.   I'm sad that this can't continue every other night! It's been a wonderful =   organ week. Hope you all can hear the Wheaton organ some day. Thanks to = Dr. Edward Zimmerman for being a gracious host again.   Devon Hollingsworth  
(back) Subject: Re: Messiah fee and edition? From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:08:05 -0400   300 singers is WAY too many for the Messiah=2E Handel only used about 20=2E= =20 Today the work is done far in excess of what the composer used or what is necessary=2E I would reccomend your director decrease the number of singe= rs instead=2E 300 is way way way too many=2E   Andrew Original Message: ----------------- From: l2nn@juno=2Ecom Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:39:09 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Messiah fee and edition?     I was told by my music director at the church where I am the asst organist that instated of a 16-piece orchestra plus harpsichord (which I played in prior years) for our annual Messiah sing-along, the director has decided to use organ plus a string quartet since the orchestra used to get drowned out by the 300 singers=2E But this year we have a new soun= d system which will pick up the string quartet and me=2E The director hande= d me the G=2E Schirmer score and then the organ part from a set of orchestra=   parts from a Kalmus score=2E I possess my tried and true partial continuo=   realization of the excellent Rutgers University Press edition which was published by Dover=2E   Which edition is best to use with the string quartet? I can obtain the full orchestral score and go through each measure to see what parts are not string parts and make sure I play those non-string orchestral parts=2E= =20 I could use the Schirmer edition and just cross out the string parts in it=2E=2E=2E   The director told me to come up with my fee for doing all of Part I, most of Part II, and The Trumpet shall sound and Worthy is the Lamb from Part III=2E   Any suggestions on how to use which edition and on fee?   Personally, I most enjoy being on a small instrument like the harpsichord next to the celli and bassoons and the soloists; in this way, I feel much more in sync in mind, feeling, and spirit with the other participants during the arias and recits=2E I don't like being 40 feet away from the soloists behind the large console of an organ for Messiah=2E=2E=2E   The director said that the following year it might just be me on organ without any strings!   Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Lynn Finegan Walnut Creek, CA "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Messiah fee and edition? From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:10:00 -0400   Also,   This kind of music should NEVER I repeat NEVER be miked=2E BAD BAD BAD id= ea=2E Again, cutting back the choir drastically is what I reccommend=2E   Andrew Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: AAFXISHJEXXIMQ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:39:09 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Messiah fee and edition?     I was told by my music director at the church where I am the asst organist that instated of a 16-piece orchestra plus harpsichord (which I played in prior years) for our annual Messiah sing-along, the director has decided to use organ plus a string quartet since the orchestra used to get drowned out by the 300 singers=2E But this year we have a new soun= d system which will pick up the string quartet and me=2E The director hande= d me the G=2E Schirmer score and then the organ part from a set of orchestra=   parts from a Kalmus score=2E I possess my tried and true partial continuo=   realization of the excellent Rutgers University Press edition which was published by Dover=2E   Which edition is best to use with the string quartet? I can obtain the full orchestral score and go through each measure to see what parts are not string parts and make sure I play those non-string orchestral parts=2E= =20 I could use the Schirmer edition and just cross out the string parts in it=2E=2E=2E   The director told me to come up with my fee for doing all of Part I, most of Part II, and The Trumpet shall sound and Worthy is the Lamb from Part III=2E   Any suggestions on how to use which edition and on fee?   Personally, I most enjoy being on a small instrument like the harpsichord next to the celli and bassoons and the soloists; in this way, I feel much more in sync in mind, feeling, and spirit with the other participants during the arias and recits=2E I don't like being 40 feet away from the soloists behind the large console of an organ for Messiah=2E=2E=2E   The director said that the following year it might just be me on organ without any strings!   Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Lynn Finegan Walnut Creek, CA "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Disney organ pics From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0700   Awhile back, someone posted a link to pictures of the model of the proposed Disney pipe organ. Anyone have that link handy?    
(back) Subject: Inter/Intra Manual couplers and AGO Specs From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:23:35 -0500     > > Question 1: > > > > All three organs had sub and octave couplers as draw > > knobs with their respective divisions as opposed to > > on the coupler rail. > > This is normal practice among most organ builders. > > Intra-manual couplers go with the stop knobs for each > division. Inter-manual couplers go on the coupler rail.   Is there any real reason why this should be? The reason I'm asking is because I may not have room on the terraces for more drawknobs in the future. I have room NOW, but I'm hoping to add a division some day. I guess I'm wondering...is it considered not politically correct to put all = of them on the coupler rail?   And, if someone has the distance from the pedal to the lowest keyboard, please send that along. This 3-manual console may be more spec'd to be a 2-manual (with a top manual for an enchamade....BUNJES at work.) I feel that the lower two manuals are slightly higher than they should be. IMWTK...   Just curious.   Jeff