PipeChat Digest #4015 - Thursday, September 25, 2003 Re: More happy topics. (C: by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> live 365 by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <email@example.com> Residence Pipe Organ For Sale (X-Posted) by "Dave McClellan" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Disney by "Bill" <email@example.com> Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas by "David Scribner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Inter/Intra Manual couplers and AGO Specs by "F Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Fwd: CRY FOR ORGANIST HELP SAT 27 SEPT 2003 by "jch" <firstname.lastname@example.org> The best organist? (Straw POLL) by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas by "F Richard Burt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: pre-reformation English organs by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Piporg-L; Organ recruits by "Fran Walker" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: PipeChat Digest #4014 - 09/25/03 by "John Foss" <email@example.com> RE: A happier note by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Re: Salary Question by "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com> Re: live 365 by "John & Fran Meyers" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Salary Question by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <email@example.com> RE: Tuning tools was: More happy topics. (C: by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: More happy topics. (C: From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:56:40 -0400 >How's that for an answer? >Ron Severin Morning chatters! I like that answer! (C: I agree, because there was one organ I had = to tune that one couldn't get into the swell so competition with shading = via the doors was a factor. The other part: yes, I could get into the = great but the great had an "A" chest! Add to those things the fact that = the the largest 4' (and stopped 8') stops were at the back where I had = to stand. One of those stops was the the 4' principal, and it became an = interesting situation quickly when trying to temper it for a tuning stop = given that I have the shading power of a dozen 100 watt light bulbs! = (C: When was A-440 universally adopted for mainstream organs?? = -Nate = "The Apprentice"
(back) Subject: live 365 From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:04:42 -0500 I used to have no problem getting on Organ Live 365 but now it won't let = me access it free. I don't think that I listen enough to pay for it. = Anyone else still having trouble? Amy
(back) Subject: Residence Pipe Organ For Sale (X-Posted) From: "Dave McClellan" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:25:26 -0400 I am retiring Friday 9/26 and we will be moving and downsizing. My = current 2/10 residence instrument is not part of our plans in the future. So we = are offering it up for sale, asking $4000 or best offer. The instrument is currently playing and being used every day for practice. It is located in = Atlanta, Georgia. Unlike in some other situations, there is plenty of time to remove it. It = seems to me that lots of organs are lost because they must be removed at = the last minute. Also, this would be a very simple removal, since the organ = was never really installed - it is sitting in my basement, which has an = outside door. I would like it removed before we put our house up for sale after = the first of the year, but even that is negotiable. All components will go through a standard 32" door. My web site has all the details of construction, photos, links to the specifications, history of the component "donor" organs, and even some removal pictures. See http://www.mcclellans.com/pipeorgan.htm The major components came from a 6-rank Hook and Hastings mortuary organ (1929) and a 3 rank Wicks chancel extension. The console is a 1978 Schantz 2 manual rocker = tab type with mechanical combination action (4 generals, 4 divisionals for Great, Swell, Pedal). Has toe studs for generals and pedal plus tutti and = Great to Pedal. Has Swell pedal and Crescendo pedal. Operates on 3.75 = and 4" of wind - ideal for residence - gently voiced. The blower is a 1HP Spencer, 220v single phase in an enclosure. The relay = is electromechanical. The rectifier is a 50-amp Astron. The Wicks portion = uses Direct Electric action. The H&H portion has been converted to electromechanical (Reisner 601's), and the larger pipes use Reisner or = Klann DVAs. The string and trumpet offsets are electropnematic. All components plug together using 50-pin TELCO connectors. It is "Plug = and Play" - easily moved and setup. This instrument is VERY compact. The Wicks 3-rank chest is about 2'x7. = The H&H portion uses 5 individual chests each about 1'x1'x7'. There are also two 16' Bourdon offsets, an 8' String offset, and an 8' Trumpet offset. These are mounted horizontally. The Bourdons are professionally mitered = to fit under an 8' ceiling. There are two reservoirs and two Arndt termolos. = One reservoir is a supply house type rubber cloth top, and the other is a Wicks that was releathered professionally about 5 years ago. Additional equipment, which is included in the deal: o 6-stage swell engine, supply house type o Set of swell shades and frame, about 6' x 7' o Small Moller reservoir, excellent condition o Large box of 20' Telco cables with connectors o 3 50-pair 50' (I think) extension cables with connectors on both ends (Male, Female) o Extra 8-note offset chest, uses DVAs, planned to use for 8' Open = Diapason basses o 8' Open Diapason 1-6, not currently used (ran out of space) o Extra components (Klann large DVAs, relays, Reisner gang switches, etc.) o Supplies (clamps, cork gaskets, flanges, flex tubing, etc.) o Clear "organ wood" from dismantled windchests and bearers o Extra pipework from broken sets o Console platform (on castors) $4000 or best offer before 1/1/04 takes it. I will also place it on eBay = if there are no acceptable offers by 12/1/03. No parting out - take it all - my help with removal is included! Extra = help will be needed for the console and blower. If you are within a reasonable driving distance, call me to setup a time = to come and play it. Please ask questions OFFLIST. Email me at email@example.com Telephone is 770-399-6704 Dave _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now = FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com
(back) Subject: Re: Disney From: "Bill" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:58:59 -0500 http://organhouse.com/disneyorgan/index.htm http://www.gg-organs.com/eng/projects/disney.htm Subject: Disney organ pics From: "Eric McKirdy" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:57:05 -0700 Awhile back, someone posted a link to pictures of the model of the proposed Disney pipe organ. Anyone have that link handy?
(back) Subject: Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas From: "David Scribner" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:09:19 -0500 At 10:19 PM -0500 09/24/03, Tim Bovard wrote: >At 11:01 PM 9/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >>The Pedal division also contains one of the world's rarest stops, a >>full-length, 64 foot, high pressure reed, (Ophicleide Heroique) >>non- digital. ( BOY, does that put a bottom on it !!!!) > >HUH?!? > >WHAA...??? > >Details, please. . .?! The stoplist for the organ can be found on the FUMC web site at: http://www.fumcwf.org/main.html - click on the "Garland Pipe Organ (2003)" link under FUMC Highlights. There is also alink to the install photos. David
(back) Subject: Re: Inter/Intra Manual couplers and AGO Specs From: "F Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:07:13 -0500 Good Morning, Jeff: You asked: > Is there any real reason why this should be? Conventional practice by many of the builders. If you put the inter-manual couplers on the stop rail (aka, nameboard), you may not have room for other desirable controls or indicators. > The reason I'm asking is because I may not have room on > the terraces for more drawknobs in the future. It's your organ. If it works for you, place the couplers wherever you can find room. Just remember, it has to work for you first, and secondly it should not be too confusing to others who might play for you. > And, if someone has the distance from the pedal to the > lowest keyboard, please send that along. According to the AGO standard, that distance is 29.5 inches; the second keyboard is 32 inches. The difference between the naturals on the bottom keyboard and the second keyboard should be 2.5 inches, with all other keyboards rising above them. F. Richrd Burt Dorian Organs ..
(back) Subject: Fwd: CRY FOR ORGANIST HELP SAT 27 SEPT 2003 From: "jch" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:33:41 -0500 I am forwarding this in case there is someone in New England who can help. = Is the organist situation in MA. that bad? Jon >Subject: CRY FOR ORGANIST HELP SAT 27 SEPT 2003 >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 03:09:42 -0400 >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: CRY FOR ORGANIST HELP SAT 27 SEPT 2003 >Thread-Index: AcODM/yzXViVQmuWQ6WWE7ZhcK4ioQ=3D=3D >From: "Paul Kelley" <PK@zerostage.com> >To: <email@example.com> > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Create Value at Every Stage! > >Paul Kelley >Senior Managing Director and Chief Executive >Zero Stage Capital >101 Main Street, 17th Floor, Cambridge MA, 02142 >tel: 617-876-5355 ext. 102 >mobile: 617-799-3074 >fax: 617-876-1248 >email: PK@ZeroStage.com ><http://www.ZeroStage.com>http://www.ZeroStage.com > >__________________________________________________ >CRY FOR HELP. Your Society used our organ at St. Catherine of Genoa >Church, 179 Summer St., Somerville, Ma for your annual meeting in the = past. >So you know the organ is restored, historic 19th c. Only chimes added to = >original restoration. >Need organist for THIS SATURDAY SEPT 27 for my mother's funeral at 12 >noon. Will pay top dollar and appreciate musical quality! >D'anna Fortunato will sing. PLEASE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR OFFERS WELCOMED. > >Susan Kaup Kelley >3 Westwood Road >Somerville, MA 02143 >617 776 1237 >firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: The best organist? (Straw POLL) From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Hello, I am grinning from ear to ear! I have finally obtained two pristine LP records of George Wright playing Wurlitzer after searching for a long time....what a fantastically inventive musician he was. This has prompted thought! Knowing that many American organists also dabble with the theatre/cinema organ, and that there isn't the same degree of exclusiveness and snobbery as one finds elsewhere, I would like some opinions. Therefore, perhaps I can conduct a poll, but with certain "rules". I DO NOT WANT to know what the cinema organists think, but I DO WANT to know who the CLASSICAL organists think of as the best CINEMA style organist of all time. I suspect that almost all cinema organ players and enthusiasts would nominate George Wright, for his panache, imagination and wonderful dexterity. However, the classical organists would probably judge on slightly different values. I have my own idea as to Number One, but........ Over to you. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK PS: Then we could ask the CINEMA organists who the best ever CLASSICAL organist is/was. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Dedication of the Garland Organ, FUMC, Wichita Falls, Texas From: "F Richard Burt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:57:18 -0500 Hello, PipeChatters: David posted: > The stoplist for the organ can be found on the FUMC web site at: > http://www.fumcwf.org/main.html - click on the "Garland Pipe Organ > (2003)" link under FUMC Highlights. There is also alink to the > install photos. Those Highlights don't jump out at you. The links are buried in the text on the first page. Had a hard time finding them early this morning. <grins> The search was worth the effort. Every now and then, we still do something right out here on the frontier. <grins> Dan Garland lives with us, and seems to have found the flavor of the Southwest as he builds some of the most impressive new organs, ...and rebuilds older organs. We kind of like what he is doing. F. Richard Burt ..
(back) Subject: Re: pre-reformation English organs From: "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Hello, There are one or two very old organs in the UK; one of which I once played at Staunton Harold in Leicestershire, which I would describe a small but robust. Bud is quite right in that UK organs, even until about 1830/40 were quite small and often without independent pedal organs. Certainly, Mendelssohn was obliged to cancel performances when he came to Britain, and the only organ on which he could play Bach's music was at Westminster Abbey. However, lest we forget, the pre-reformation "school" included the composer John Bull and the other "virginalists". They popped off to Holland very wisely, and were greatly admired. That influence rubbed off on Sweelinck and his contemporaries....the rest is history.....Holland today, Germany and Bach tomorrow! Bach would have been nothing but for England!! (...and if you believe that, you will believe anything). It would be a mistake to assume that organ-building was in any way primitive in England. There is evidence that John Snetzler had worked on the organ of St.Bavvo, Haarlem, before he came to Britain. Rather, the English way of doing things was dominated by the Italianate style and the music of Handel, which called for concerted music. The various 18th century voluntaries are perfectly written gems for the organs of the day, and for the bigger sounds, the organ would play in dialogue with an orchestra as in the various 18th century concertii. In terms of organ music, that style stayed with us until about 1840....just think of the music of S S Wesley and his contemporaries. Liturgically, there was never any need to have anything more substantial. It was a quieter age, and the music of the church after the reformation had bobbed along with psalms, metrical psalms and improvised voluntaries before and after service. Where there was no organ, there might be small instrumental groups. In the larger establishments, anthems would certainly be sung, but these would either be unaccompanied or, at best, gently accompanied by a small organ. The seed change came from two principal sources, with the involvement of just ONE organ-builder and one foreigner. Mendelssohn was the darling of England, and a close friend of the royal family. His choral music was well known, and some works received their first performance in England; notably at Birmingham Town Hall. It was a time of considerbale church revival, and in case we forget, the churches were almost empty around the middle of the 18th century (as they are today). Two things happened. Firstly, an explosion in church building and, more importantly, a desire to create grand theatre in the church. Hence the Oxford movement and the rich music of Anglicanism and Victorian hymnody. The Congregationalists were really the leading light in popular hymnody, and as their figurehead, they had Dr Gauntlett, who just happened to be a close friend of Mendelssohn. Add Prince Albert, the German Prince Consort, as another part of the circle, and William Hill as a willing associate, and you have the ingredients for the new "German" movement which swept through the land. Hill built organs with Pedals.....some even had pedal Mixtures, as at Great George Street Congregational Church, Liverpool, which I happened to play before it was torn out and destroyed. This was one of the earliest German style instruments.....around 1845? Incidentally, Bud's reference to an organist refusing to play a grid-iron (pedals) was, I think, the cathedral organist's response to the organ builder Holdich at Lichfield Cathedral. "You may install a pedal organ, but I will never use it!" Ward of York built a huge organ for Doncaster Parish Church (and also for York Minster). This organ was destroyed by fire whilst in the process of enlargement and re-building by William Hill. Inspired by the Schulze organ which had appeared at the personal invitation of Prince Albert at the Great Exhibition, the new organ for Doncaster PC was to be built by Schulze....hence the Schulze connection in England. That one organ did more to change the face of organ-building in England than almost any other, and was the source of inspiration to T C Lewis and, ultimately, by default, G Donald Harrison in America. Indeed, those who know the history of Atlantic City, will know that Senator Richards tried an experiment involving a Schulze diapason chorus, which he described as "shattering". Thus, in just a few years, the organ style in England had moved from the reastrained manuals only sound to the full blooded, open foot, large scaled voicing of Schulze.....a BIG heroic sound by any standards, and one which can still arrest the attention of the listener without even a hint of heavy pressure reeds. The Willis way of doing things was modelled on the French organ.....powerful (but smoother) reeds and quite high wind pressures throughout. Willis organs are always reed dominated , whereas the few surviving Schulze organs make a similar impact without anything which could be described as big reeds. It was a great time in organ building in England, but sadly, the instrument went down the path of romantic corruption, and ended up as a poor substitute for the orchestra. People do not realise, perhaps, just how revolutionary and "baroque" were the organs of Arthur Harrison and Lt Col George Dixon....they actually had upperwork! Of course, the biggest mistake was in not following the example set by T C Lewis.....without doubt, our great gift to classical American organ-building. The other one was Hope Jones and the Unit Orchestra! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > > > Depends on what you mean by "developed" ... > liturgical organ-playing in > Britain had reached the stage of high art before the > Reformation, > Like the organ in Italy, the organ in > pre-Reformation England > "alternated" with the choir in the chants > Another point: organ-building in England had to > begin again virtually > from scratch after the Puritan Interregnum ... It > was necessary at the > Restoration to send to Germany for organbuilders > (Schulze, Snetzler), as > the English ones had died or fled to parts unknown. > their introduction. One (I think at the Abbey) when > the builder > suggested introducing it, sputtered, "My good sir, I > shall not dance > upon a GRIDIRON," or words to that effect (grin). > > > With a few exceptions, English organs to this day > are smaller, but it > must be remembered that the British Isles is the > only country where, as > a NATION, the full cathedral and collegiate CHORAL > services have been > maintained. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Piporg-L; Organ recruits From: "Fran Walker" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:25:45 -0500 Dear Chatters, One of you emailed: "I have greatly enjoyed my time on this list over the = past several months. However, I fear that I may have to go back to just Piporg-L because of the recent trend in topics. Don't get me wrong.." OK, What is "Piporg-L"? A different chat group? A web page? Sorry to be = dense! ALSO, David Scribner <firstname.lastname@example.org> emailed: "I used to hope every = year that one of the finalists for the Miss America contest would be an organist..." The point I wish to make is: another way (beside the Miss America = contest, which is a Gr8t idea) to advance the organist profession would be a spiffy = movie involving pipe organs/organists, just as "Top Gun" inspired many recruits for the Air Force. Fran Walker (email@example.com) Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church Glencoe, IL 847-835-1227 http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc/ ************************************************** Fran Walker (firstname.lastname@example.org) CMS-EMS (Center for Mathematical Studies in Economics & Management Science) Northwestern University Phone: 847-491-3527; Fax: 847-491-2530 2001 Sheridan Road, Rm. 580 Evanston, IL 60208-2014 http://www.kellogg.nwu.edu/research/math **************************************************
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4014 - 09/25/03 From: "John Foss" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:39:10 +0100 (BST) I think Lynn Finnegan's Messiah is a "sing in" with the string 4tet & Organ replacing the full orchestral part, so it is not a "period performance" - more of a fun occasion, which has been done successfully several times in the past. Usually you get good professional soloists and the object is to enjoy Handel's music rather than give an authentic rendering. Nevertheless, I would still go for a chamber orchestra rather than a miked up 4tet - arent't the participants paying to take part? This is common to cover the expenses. John Foss =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Potage Tournemire Money - Profit and Pay ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk
(back) Subject: RE: A happier note From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:00:40 -0400 In my home-town church, only 25 miles from the Green Bay Packers' = stadium, the attendance would drop precipitously=20 when this fine team had a home game in the afternoon. When I was a synagogue organist in a small city, the attendance at the = Friday evening services would go way down when the local college = orchestra was giving a concert. Perhaps few things say so much about the character of a congregation as = what kind of event makes them stay away.
(back) Subject: Re: Salary Question From: "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:35:58 -0700 (PDT) I am a sub or interim organist... I can tell you that age should not be important... ability to work with a choir and play the organ competently should be the most important factors. At the age of sixteen, I subbed for the first time outside of my home church at a church with a very grateful congregation, choir, and minister (who later went on to become the Protestant Episcopal Church of the USA's Bishop of Detroit). Their organist/chm had quit a week early... and they were left hanging. I was paid the same as any other sub... The six ladies in the choir __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: live 365 From: "John & Fran Meyers" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:36:02 -0700 Amy, I just turned it on and it is working fine. you do have to go = through two pages to get to the Listen icon. Also, I installed the = Google toolbar to stop the pop ups. Fran ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dr. Amy Fleming=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: live 365 I used to have no problem getting on Organ Live 365 but now it won't = let me access it free. I don't think that I listen enough to pay for = it. Anyone else still having trouble? Amy
(back) Subject: RE: Salary Question From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:16:32 -0400 Andres Gunther firstname.lastname@example.org Peter Isherwood <Oboe32@aol.com> wrote on pipechat: > Salary is a big problem in any church and any > denomination. Regretfully it's true. Church musician is a vocation, not a profession indeed. > we encounter > churches and institutions that only want to pay by service or minimums based on > the fact that we are "students". There is quite a bit of ground to argue on > in these respects. May I ring in with an opinion. When I was a student, salary and wages for students were 1/2 of a degreed musician. Right now I advise students at = Rob Mc Gregor's level to NOT accept this anymore, since even "full wages" = barely are enough to eat. If some institution doesn't want to pay a decent wage (hencefore support) to somebody who is honestly and seriously interested = in- and working for becoming a professional there are enough beginners and = well meaning amateurs around. People must learn thet they get what they are willing to pay for. Of course I am living in a different (but not SO different) situation than most list fellows... for this my present opinion shouldn't be taken as a standard. Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.
(back) Subject: RE: Tuning tools was: More happy topics. (C: From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:17:34 -0400 Andres Gunther firstname.lastname@example.org Ron Severin wrote on pipechat: > One of the best tuning tools is a chest with the shorter pipes closest and a walk board of adequate width so the tuner can feel reasonably comfortable doing what needs to be done. Amen to rthat! Regretfully these tools are rather seldom. An extreme case = is a "compact" organ where I always have to go on diet to access the = chambers- no kidding. One thing more: Have care with the clothes you use when you are tuning. = Once upon a time when I was beginner I ruined half a dozen small pipes when = they got hooked on my trouser legs. > A 150 W light bulb creates too much heat especially near the reeds and more delicate flues especially in cramped quarters with low headroom. The heat can taint the tuning process. Today, cool (and power saving) bulbs are available, even in the woods = where I live. I plan to put them in without making any fuss and charge the cost = on my maintenance fee. Much more annoying is sun heat from windows; worst = enemy different heat layers between choir floor and church roof. I have to solve one of these right now- organ doesn't stay in tune anymore; church suffers from increasing greenhouse effect since it was overall closed for security reasons and with zoning change it's surrounded by huge buildings. I fear that a "forced vent" will become necessary yet... Well, this are not = tuning tools or happy topics anymore but desperate solutions :) Best wishes Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.