PipeChat Digest #4405 - Friday, April 2, 2004
 
Britain's best organists are lured to America by higher wages
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Fwd: More Organ Music for Sale
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: Louis Vierne Piece Search
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net>
Re: church prowlers and intruders
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top?
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
(somewhat) OFF-TOPIC: Earth Sunday in Eastertide
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
two questions
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Group assistance is requested
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net>
Re: two questions
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Group assistance is requested
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Fwd: want to sell or give away a theater organ
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Group assistance is requested
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
RE: two questions
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: two questions
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top?
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Britain's best organists are lured to America by higher wages From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:01:19 +0100 (BST)   This topic has been discussed quite extensively of late on the list. My aged mum sent me a cutting from the Sunday Telegraph of 24th March under the above heading: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D%2Fnews%2F2004%2F03%2F21%2= Fnorg21.xml It devotes virtually a full page to the subject, and is a reasoned and objective view including quotes from Dr Graham Eliot, formerly at Chelmsford Cathedral and now at St Paul's Episcopal Church, Rock Creek, Washington, also Frederick Swann and John Ewington, General Secretary of the Guild of Church Musicians. I don't think this has been posted before - the Daily Telegaph is Britain's largest circulation "Serious" paper. I must go and do something about the cat, which is meeowing piteously on the window ledge. I have just fed the b***** thing! GO AWAY!!! John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Gibson's "Passion" Jokes, satire and humour     ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet = Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes  
(back) Subject: Fwd: More Organ Music for Sale From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:13:42 -0600   Below is another list of music for sale by Ed Shay who is cleaning out his library before his retirement. Since he is not on the list please contact him at: EdShay@colacoll.edu if you are interesting in any of the music.   David ***************************************************************************= ********   Email Address: EdShay@colacoll.edu   > > From the Library of Dr. Edmund Shay, who will be retiring this year. >> No orders for less than $25 dollars will be considered. >> >> >> Albrecht, Timothy. >> Grace Notes II, Two Christmas Preludes (Augsburg) $2 >> Grace Notes III, Three Easter Preludes (Augsburg) $3 >> >> Bach, J. S. "Now Thank We All Our God," arr/ by Virgil Fox >> (H. W. Gray) $2 >> >> Burkhardt, Michael. >> American Folk Hymn Suite (MorningStar) $4 >> Praise and Thanksgiving, set 2 (MorningStar) $5 >> Praise and Thanksgiving, set 3 (MorningStar) $5 >> Praise and Thanksgiving, set 4 (MorningStar) $6 >> Praise and Thanksgiving, set 5 (MorningStar) $5 >> Advent Hymn Improvisations, set 1 (MorningStar) $4 >> Advent Hymn Improvisations, set 2 (MorningStar) $4 >> Two Hymn Improvisations for Epiphany (MorningStar) $3 >> 5 Easter Season Hymn Improvisations (MorningStar) $5 >> 5 Easter Season Hymn Improvisations, set 2 (MorningStar) $6 >> 5 Lenten Hymn Improvisations (MorningStar) $5 >> 4 Hymn Improvisations for Holy Week (MorningStar) $5 >> 6 General Hymn Improvisations (MorningStar) $6 >> 5 Pentecost Hymn Improvisations set 1 (MorningStar) $6 >> >> Callahan, Charles. >> Great Victorian Hymns (MorningStar) $3 >> Prelude on Two American Folk Hymns for Flute and Organ >> (Concordia) $2 >> >> Hobby, Robert. >> 3 Hymns of Praise (MorningStar) $3 >> 3 Hymns of Praise, set 2 (MorningStar) $4 >> 3 Hymns of Praise, set 3 (MorningStar) $5 >> 3 Hymns of Praise, set 4 (MorningStar) $3 >> Three Lenten Hymn Settings (MorningStar) $3 >> Variations on Jerusalem, My Happy Home (MorningStar) $5 >> >> Lang, C. S. Twenty Hymn-Tune Preludes, set 1 (Oxford) $2 >> >> Manz, Paul. Partita on "St. Anne" (Concordia) $2 >> >> Wood, Dale. >> Wood Works (Sacred Music Press) $5 >> Wood Works, Book 2 (Sacred Music Press) $5 >> Organ Book of American Folk Hymns (Sacred Music Press) $2 >> >> COLLECTIONS >> >> A New Liturgical Year, John Ferguson, editor (Augsburg) $25 >> >> 80 Chorale Preludes, H. Keller, editor (Peters) $2 >> >> Orgelspiel im Kirchenjahr (B. Schott's Sohne) $2 >> >> Orgelchorale um Joh. Seb. Bach, ed. Frotscher (Peters) $5 >> >> ***************************** >> Dr. Edmund Shay >> Columbia College >> 1301 Columbia College Drive >> Columbia, SC 29204 >> Telephone: 803-786-3613 > FAX: 803-786-3893 -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Louis Vierne Piece Search From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:15:34 -0500   Gregory, et al,   I do have a old Alexander Schreiner book call Organ Voluntaries volume 3 = and it does have two Louis Vierne's pieces in it. One is Choral from Second Symphony and the other is Andante Religioso. I would be more than happy = to provide this to you if you are interested. The Publisher is Belwin Mills = in NY, the publishing division is J. Fischer & Bro. The Volume catalog = number is 9800. Hope this helps you a little bit. I do have other books that = I will need to dig out and see if it is there.   Milo -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Rachmaninoff45@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:44 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Louis Vierne Piece Search     Hello Everyone,   Sorry to bother everyone but I have a unusual organ piece that I am looking for and I was hoping someone could shed some light. I bought a CD of the Mormon Tabernacle Organ. The first song on the cd was Louis = Vierne's Maestoso in C# Minor. I bet a lot of you are scratching your heads. = After some research and some help from a fellow organist and choir director, I found out that it is not a organ piece but a choir piece just transcribed into a organ piece. Can anyone help me on where I might be able to get = this piece or if someone has the piece, I will be willing to receive a fax or through mail or e-mail. I will also be willing receive it through mail if someone has a original. I would be willing to pay. Thank you so much.     Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: church prowlers and intruders From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:33:08 -0600   Sometimes even if they are doing their job they cannot prevent bad things from happening. At Christ Church Cathedral in St. Louis eighteen months ago one of the secretaries, Caol Bledsoe, was suddenly stabbed and murdered by a dreanged indigent she was trying to help. There was a security guard less than twenty yeards away, but he was unable to get there in time.   John Speller   MusicMan wrote:   >"Odds and Sods" prowling around ? Surely, that's why we have Vergers in >church ? > >Or is someone not doing their job ? > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top? From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:27:56 -0500   Dale wrote: >we are in charge of God's creation here and responsible for it eh? > >hiding behind scrub jay in southwest Florida > >dale   I'm thinking that the idea of Earth Day is good but not during Easter. It seems as gauche as a wedding during Lent! How about sometime between Trinity Sunday and Christ the King or the Baptism of our Lord and the Last =   Sunday after the Ephiphany/Transfiguration?   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:42:54 -0500   On 4/2/04 3:27 PM, "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> wrote:   > Dale wrote:   >> we are in charge of God's creation here and responsible for it eh? >=20 > I'm thinking that the idea of Earth Day is good but not during Easter.   I don=B9t buy it ANYtime. Next thing you know, we=B9re going to have Mother=B9s Day and Father=B9s Day and Layman=B9s Sunday and Worldwide Communion Sunday and Boy Scout Sunday, and . . . .   > It seems as gauche as a wedding during Lent! How about sometime between > Trinity Sunday and Christ the King or the Baptism of our Lord and the Las= t > Sunday after the Ephiphany/Transfiguration? >=20 Cole: Well, maybe. And if you were talking about =B3Earth Sunday,=B2 I=B9d quit= e readily agree with you. It would be a blunt and rude interruption (ANY time). I don=B9t even WANT the Sunday to have a name other than Rogate/Rogation Day=8Bin a season where each Sunday has it=B9s own name and sub-emphasis, each SUPPORTING the Easter message. But (=B3So=B2?) if you=B9re talking about =B3the IDEA of Earth Day,=B2 I think it fits in quite reasonably during the season of New Life and Growth (in the North Temperate Zone). An= d has dne so for (as Bud said) =B3well over a thousand years.=B2 It SURE wouldn=B9= t fit well in Epiphany. To stick it in the =B3long green stretch=B2 from Trinity to Christ the King is marginally acceptable=8Bbut actually not as GOOD as lat= e Easter, I=B9m suggesting.   Maybe?   Alan (only two generations=8Bif that=8Bfrom a totally agrarian milieu)   P.S.: Linguistic note: =B3Milieu=B2 is French. The Norwegian word is =B3milj=F8.= =B2 Identical pronunciation. Dig? (Ok, maybe it=B9s NOT interesting=8Bthough it seemed like it at the moment.)            
(back) Subject: (somewhat) OFF-TOPIC: Earth Sunday in Eastertide From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:19:19 -0800   Here's the thing: we are JUST as dependent on the earth as we ever were. Rather than doing AWAY with Rogation Sunday and Harvest Festival, which the liturgical churches in the USA (at least) seem to be trying to do, they should rather be EXPANDED and EMPHASIZED.   The industrialized nations of the West are SOMEWHAT insulated from crop failure, drought and famine on account of fast transport and trade with the Southern Hemisphere ... if the California or Florida orange crop suffers a freeze in January, brokers buy from Central and South America, for instance. Prices go UP, but we still have oranges. That's true of MOST things.   But terrible famines and crop failures and droughts, etc. still sweep the world periodically.   If the air and/or the water is fouled, the crops don't grow, PERIOD ... so there's certainly nothing out-of-the-way about emphasizing the TOTAL picture of Earth and the environment on Rogation Sunday ... the ancient prayers are for just that: fair weather, moderate rains, and a bountiful harvest.   Acid rain, smog, other man-made pollutants ARE going to interfere with that. Polk County Florida, where I grew up, used to be a nightmare landscape of twisted, stunted trees and scrub palmetto on account of the chemical fumes from the phosphate mines. Even when the mines closed and the open pits were filled in, virtually nothing would grow because all the minerals had been extracted from the soil.   I have tried (unsuccessfully) to revive interest in Rogation Sunday in several parishes ... I suggested (among other things) having people bring symbols of their occupations to church to be blessed, since obviously nobody in urban or most suburban parishes is a farmer (chuckle).   I think walking in procession to bless a parish flower garden kinda misses the point (grin).   Or, it might be an occasion for a second (or third, or fourth) annual food-gathering for the needy. It often strikes me that we do that two or three times a year ... Thanksgiving, Christmas, maybe Easter ... but poor people are hungry year-round.   Nor do I see anything out-of-the-way about celebrating an Earth Sunday in Eastertide ... "except the seed fall to the ground and die", "Now the green blade riseth" ... the Easter egg, etc. ... Eastertide is replete with all kinds of symbols of new beginnings, new life, etc. ...   It's not much of a stretch to put it all together.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: two questions From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:21:59 -0600   I'm working on a Finale file for an organ work that will be published in a few months and want to express a registrational sound the best way I can. Briefly, this is a March on America the Beautiful that I wrote (originally by hand--the old-fashioned way) in December 2001, an outpouring resulting from the tragedy of 9/11. There are a couple of ominous-sounding moments = in the piece that work their way to victory, and the ominous moments should conjure up a sense of foreboding. I think of the German adjective one = might see in a Max Reger score, "dunkel," and I had thought of using "dark registration." But I do not want to offend anyone and surely do not want = to appear to be insensitive. Since I fear that "dark registration" may make someone think of racism, what are some good alternatives? OTOH, if the use of "dark" in this context does not make one think of a racial slur, I = should like to be assured of that.   The sound I want is dominated by Foundations 8' and 4' and enclosed chorus reed(s) 8' with swell box partly to mostly (to totally, perhaps, on some instruments) closed. The pedal part should balance (including coupling) = and incorporate heavy Flue work that includes a 16' Contre Basse whose = presense one can really feel. How should my registrational instruction read? I've been toying with such words as dark, gloomy, and murky. I don't want to go in the direction of opaque, thick, and muddy. That will stir up a hornet's nest for those who hate the excesses of the early 20th century, and these aren't the appropriate terms anyway.   This is setting a mood in the picture I've painted. It shouldn't be excessive. The piece, overall, is one of power, spirit, and triumph.   My original intent for this piece and a few others I wrote around that = same time was to come out with a 9/11 suite, but this didn't happen. I = dedicated an Elegy, published last month, thus: "in memory of those who died on September 11, 2001". I'm thinking of dedicating America the Beautiful "to the heroes who gave their lives aboard Flight 93 on September 11, 2001". = Any dedicatory thoughts and phrasing of the dedication from listers would be most appreciated.   Many thanks, Robert Lind    
(back) Subject: Group assistance is requested From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:21:10 -0500   I know some are caught up on Palm and Easter Sunday, and some on Earth = Day, but I think we all need to remember that what we are all about is = providing a sermon through music to touch the hearts of those that come to worship. There is no greater calling than the one we take on to serve as a vessel = of worship. There are few that can do what we do and unfortunately we have = the weirdo's that follow us around like lemmings. I for one am grateful for = my talent that I can share when I do. I serve willingly and freely. Rarely = do I accept payment for my services as I look at my talent as something that God was kind enough to bless me with.   That being said, I need some suggestions from the group. I have been = asked to perform an organ solo in church on Memorial Day weekend. The solo is suppose to be 3-5 mins in length. What I would like to do is play = something that would honor those that have given the greatest sacrafice that anyone has ever given. That is their life in defense of their country. With = that said, does anyone have any suggestion for music to play. This will be performed during the meeting between speaker. FYI, I am Mormon and we = call our service Sacrament meeting and we invite members of the congregation to give talks on various subjects.   Any help that this group could provide would greatly be appreciated.   Thanks   Milo      
(back) Subject: Re: two questions From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:35:20 -0800   The "dark" sound you want would be achieved on most organs by:   Swell - foundations 16-8-(4), chorus reeds 16-8 Choir - foundations 16-8, chorus reeds 16-8 (though most newer organs won't have 16' foundation OR chorus reed tone on the Choir, except by using the sub-couplers, if there are any) Great - foundations (16)-8 Pedal - foundations (32)-16-8 manuals coupled sw/gt/ch to ped.   I'd spell it out like that, rather than using an adjective. Perhaps indicate that sound should be prepared on a general piston. I think you DO need to spell it out, though, since it's different from the French "fonds et anches".   Your phrasing of the dedication is traditional, and correct. I don't think anything more is needed.   Cheers,   Bud   Robert Lind wrote:   > I'm working on a Finale file for an organ work that will be published in = a > few months and want to express a registrational sound the best way I = can. > Briefly, this is a March on America the Beautiful that I wrote = (originally > by hand--the old-fashioned way) in December 2001, an outpouring = resulting > from the tragedy of 9/11. There are a couple of ominous-sounding moments = in > the piece that work their way to victory, and the ominous moments should > conjure up a sense of foreboding. I think of the German adjective one = might > see in a Max Reger score, "dunkel," and I had thought of using "dark > registration." But I do not want to offend anyone and surely do not want = to > appear to be insensitive. Since I fear that "dark registration" may make > someone think of racism, what are some good alternatives? OTOH, if the = use > of "dark" in this context does not make one think of a racial slur, I = should > like to be assured of that. > > The sound I want is dominated by Foundations 8' and 4' and enclosed = chorus > reed(s) 8' with swell box partly to mostly (to totally, perhaps, on some > instruments) closed. The pedal part should balance (including coupling) = and > incorporate heavy Flue work that includes a 16' Contre Basse whose = presense > one can really feel. How should my registrational instruction read? I've > been toying with such words as dark, gloomy, and murky. I don't want to = go > in the direction of opaque, thick, and muddy. That will stir up a = hornet's > nest for those who hate the excesses of the early 20th century, and = these > aren't the appropriate terms anyway. > > This is setting a mood in the picture I've painted. It shouldn't be > excessive. The piece, overall, is one of power, spirit, and triumph. > > My original intent for this piece and a few others I wrote around that = same > time was to come out with a 9/11 suite, but this didn't happen. I = dedicated > an Elegy, published last month, thus: "in memory of those who died on > September 11, 2001". I'm thinking of dedicating America the Beautiful = "to > the heroes who gave their lives aboard Flight 93 on September 11, 2001". = Any > dedicatory thoughts and phrasing of the dedication from listers would be > most appreciated. > > Many thanks, > Robert Lind > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Group assistance is requested From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:40:26 -0800   Elegy - George Thalben-Ball - Novello? Solemn Melody - Walford Davies - can't remember Requiem - Everett Titcomb - probably out of print, but a good library should have it In Paradisum - Faure / arr. Dupre (H.W. Gray) Dead March from "Saul" - Handel (can be played from the piano-vocal score, though there are several organ arrangements out there) Adagio (New World Symphony) - Dvorak - there's a good arrangement in The Organ In Church   Cheers,   Bud     Milo R. Shepherd wrote:   > I know some are caught up on Palm and Easter Sunday, and some on Earth = Day, > but I think we all need to remember that what we are all about is = providing > a sermon through music to touch the hearts of those that come to = worship. > There is no greater calling than the one we take on to serve as a vessel = of > worship. There are few that can do what we do and unfortunately we have = the > weirdo's that follow us around like lemmings. I for one am grateful for = my > talent that I can share when I do. I serve willingly and freely. = Rarely do > I accept payment for my services as I look at my talent as something = that > God was kind enough to bless me with. > > That being said, I need some suggestions from the group. I have been = asked > to perform an organ solo in church on Memorial Day weekend. The solo is > suppose to be 3-5 mins in length. What I would like to do is play = something > that would honor those that have given the greatest sacrafice that = anyone > has ever given. That is their life in defense of their country. With = that > said, does anyone have any suggestion for music to play. This will be > performed during the meeting between speaker. FYI, I am Mormon and we = call > our service Sacrament meeting and we invite members of the congregation = to > give talks on various subjects. > > Any help that this group could provide would greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Milo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Fwd: want to sell or give away a theater organ From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:17:14 -0600   We received the following yesterday and after i wrote back to find out where the organ is and have gotten a response I am passing it along here - Please reply to the person listed below as she is not on the list.   David ************************************************************ >From: Nancyattanucci@aol.com >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:58:37 EST >Subject: want to sell or give away a theater organ >To: admin@pipechat.org >Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> >X-LR-SENT-TO: blackiris.com > >My mother is selling our family home and wants to donate our organ. It = is a >Gulbransen Rialto Theater organ with full range of foot pedals, horseshoe >style range of stops, two separate speakers each 3'Wx4'Hx2'D. Any >suggestions on >how to get a taker would be appreciated. We've exhausted all our local >resources of churches, nursing homes, etc. I just happened upon you >name on the >internet. Hope you don't mind. Any input would be appreciated. Thank = you. *********************************************************************   And today I got the following reply: ********************************************** Thank you for your suggestion. The organ is located in a suburban area of Pittsburgh. Anyone interested would have to arrange for pick up. If you could post it we would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again. ******************* -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:20:54 EST   Actually, we missed the March Theater Organ concert, as I could not get = away from playing that Sunday. April 24 we are going to Miami, OK to hear Lyn Larson on the Theater organ and in May go to Wichita. Keith is familiar = with the organ at the Lutheran church. There are several nice pipe organ in = Wichita (home town of Dianne Bish). We have heard concerts at the Methodist = church. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Group assistance is requested From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:31:19 +0800   If the congregation isn't singing them, then I belive that both "Eternal = Father, Strong to Save" (Tune: Melita, 8.8.8.8.8.8) and "God of Our = Fathers, Whose Almighty Hand" (Tune: National Hymn, 10.10.10.10) both work = well. I also like "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory," (Battle Hymn of the = Republic) but it has been known to anger some.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:21:10 -0500 To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Group assistance is requested   > <snip> ... I have been asked > to perform an organ solo in church on Memorial Day weekend. The solo is > suppose to be 3-5 mins in length. What I would like to do is play = something > that would honor those that have given the greatest sacrafice that = anyone > has ever given. That is their life in defense of their country. With = that > said, does anyone have any suggestion for music to play. This will be > performed during the meeting between speaker. FYI, I am Mormon and we = call > our service Sacrament meeting and we invite members of the congregation = to > give talks on various subjects. > > Any help that this group could provide would greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Milo -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: RE: two questions From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:57:17 -0600   Not to be funny, but a more oblique (and biblical) reference might be "through a glass". Sorry, I'll keep trying to think of something.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lind Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:22 PM To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu Cc: PipeChat Subject: two questions   Since I fear that "dark registration" may make someone think of racism, what are some good alternatives? OTOH, if the use of "dark" in this context does not make one think of a racial slur, I should like to be assured of that.   The sound I want is dominated by Foundations 8' and 4' and enclosed chorus reed(s) 8' with swell box partly to mostly (to totally, perhaps, on some instruments) closed. The pedal part should balance (including coupling) and incorporate heavy Flue work that includes a 16' Contre Basse whose presense one can really feel. How should my registrational instruction read? I've been toying with such words as dark, gloomy, and murky. I don't want to go in the direction of opaque, thick, and muddy. That will stir up a hornet's nest for those who hate the excesses of the early 20th century, and these aren't the appropriate terms anyway.        
(back) Subject: Re: two questions From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:18:06 -0600   Hello, Robert: I have seen the marking "grave" (as in Italian, GRAH-veh) for some "heavy"moments like this. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Isn't it just a bit over the top? From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:55:07 -0500   Alan wrote: >I don t even WANT the Sunday to have a name other than Rogate/Rogation = Day.... > >Alan (only two generations if that from a totally agrarian milieu)   I had completely forgotten about Rogate. Thanks for the reminder.   Ross Coulson "Cole" Votaw--Springfield, Ohio, USA