PipeChat Digest #4407 - Saturday, April 3, 2004
 
Organ and Orchestra
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
memorial Day Organ Solo
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Alternate Hymn Harmonizations via Download?
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Organ freaks and mentally disturbed
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Earth Day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Earth Day
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Secular observances in the Kalendar
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Earth Day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Secular observances in the Kalendar
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Earth Day
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day)
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day)
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day)
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Elijah
  by <mewzishn@optonline.net>
a Palms-less Palm Sunday
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by <mewzishn@optonline.net>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Aus tiefer Noth...
  by <mewzishn@optonline.net>
 

(back) Subject: Organ and Orchestra From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 06:40:49 EST   Dear List:   Would anyone be interested in sharing the comission fee for Randol Alan = Bass to reduce the orchestration required for his A Symphony of Carols, and = Sing We Now of Christmas? The first is a "Many Moods of Christmas" style piece of about 13 minutes, = and the second is an audience sing along. Both are SPECTACULAR, but currently =   call for a massive orchestra (plus organ).   Randol is willing to re-orchestrate for more modest forces (strings, percussion, 22222) and is willing to let me see if I can gather some = like-minded folks willing to pay.   If this is of interest to you, your school or church, please reply to steve.skinner@firstcovenanterie.org.     Steven Skinner    
(back) Subject: memorial Day Organ Solo From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 06:42:57 EST   In a message dated 4/2/2004 6:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrstwin2@cox.net writes: I have been asked to perform an organ solo in church on Memorial Day weekend. The solo is suppose to be 3-5 mins in length. How 'bout Richard Purvis' A Prayer of Patriotism?     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Alternate Hymn Harmonizations via Download? From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:45:59 -0500   Although I've collected several volumes of alternate harmonizations, last verses, etc. I'm far from having all the ones that would be useful. If someone hasn't put this kind of thing up for sale on a piece-by-piece = basis for download then they ought to! I've searched and not found anything. Do such sites exist? I'm looking specifically for well-known hymns sung in mainstream Protestant churches. Thanks.    
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for Sun, April 25 (Earth Day Sunday) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:59:16 EST   We are in a state that will go on Daylight Savings time and we loose an = hour of sleep tonight. However, after the initial shock wears off, I really = like having the evenings stay light longer. This will give me an excuse for a = nap this afternoon to make up for the lack of sleep tonight. Keith and I are = not on the same sleep wave. He gets by on 5 hours and I need 9 to feel good. = I can go for about 3 days on his schedule and then I crash. Luckily, he has =   things to do that don't involve me, like answering all his email and = tuning pianos. He triple-booked himself today to tune pianos for churches that wait = until the last minute to call a tuner for their Easter programs (he tuned one = last night at 4:00 and the production was at 7:00. Why won't churches learn = that when you tune a piano to a Pipe organ the sanctuary must be at the = temperature when it will be used? He says that many times in his career he has gone = to tune the organ and/or piano when the sanctuary was cold. Naturally, the = pitch of the Pipe Organ will change with temperature. Once he was called to a = church to tune the Pipe Organ (before he became a piano tuner) and insisted the sanctuary be at the temperature it would be when the organ was to be used. = It was tuned to A-440. After the sanctuary cooled down, the organ changed in = pitch and the piano tuner was called, tuning the piano in a cold sanctuary. = When it was warmed up, the pitch on the organ changed again, and the piano not in tune with it. Keith was called to re-tune the organ. Of course, he = suggested the piano tuner re-tune the piano to the organ when the sanctuary was = warm. Success. The piano tuner had to do a pitch raise and re-tuning. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ freaks and mentally disturbed From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:02:38 EST   In a message dated 4/1/04 8:40:30 AM Central Standard Time, agun@telcel.net.ve writes:   > I consider myself the King of the Organ Freaks &Mentally Disturbed. Only > for > that I > can explain that: >   Andres, you sound normal to me, living with someone with very similar philosophies. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Earth Day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:16:59 -0500   On 4/2/04 11:30 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > Before you get bent out of shape about the date of Earth Day, remember = it is > Lent and Easter than moves, not Earth Day. > Oh! (If this was meant for me.) I have no problem at all with when they have Earth Day. Makes no difference. And of course you are quite right.   I'd just be a bit happier if the "Christian" observance of ecological/environmental concerns be left where it's been for over a millennium--last Sunday before Pentecost. When the secular emphasis = falls, I don't care. The more the better, I'd think.   Alan, probably too tradition-bound    
(back) Subject: Re: Earth Day From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:39:24 -0500   I'm all in favor of Earth Day, but I do feel there's a problem when = secular holidays like Mother's Day, Graduation Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day and so forth, become part of the liturgical year in some churches. Especially with the latter two, it seems to me a case of the church = getting corrupted by the secular culture. Though I guess it's OK for those = churches that aren't part of the Church anyway because they're really part of = another religion altogether, the American National Religion that dictates placing = an American flag by the altar. This does not mean that I wouldn't salute Old Glory outside of the church. It's just that I can tell pretty quick when I visit a church where its allegiance lies.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu          
(back) Subject: Secular observances in the Kalendar From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:16:12 -0800   I disagree in the case of Memorial Day, and to a lesser extent in the cases of Veterans' Day and Independence Day.   There are proper Masses for Memorial Day and Independence Day in both the Anglican and American Missals; there are propers for Independence Day in the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.   The custom of saying Masses for those fallen in battle is an ancient one .... the Orthodox contakion "In solemn silence", which USED to be in the choir library of virtually EVERY American Anglican church in the Ippolitov-Ivanoff setting, is a venerable example.   There is nothing out of the way about Requiems on days of national mourning, or Te Deums or Masses of Thanksgiving on days of national rejoicing ... both have always been provided for in the Roman Catholic / Anglican / Eastern Orthodox tradition.   Yes, I was taught the same thing as a student, but I think it was a misreading of the Establishment Clause: the STATE may not impose a particular religion or religious observance, but the CHURCH is CERTAINLY not forbidden to pray for the STATE ... given the current disarray of civic life, a National Day of Prayer and Fasting, with the Great Litany sung in procession, and a Votive Mass To Ask the Grace of the Holy Ghost (Anglican Missal, p. G-37) would be ENTIRELY appropriate, if proclaimed by the CHURCH.   And yes, Randy, I know the kinds of churches you're talking about ... I was channel-surfing one evening, and came across what was obviously a Southern Baptist church ... above the baptistry was a HUGE statue of what at first glance appeared to be the Blessed Virgin Mary.   I thought, "No, this can't be right," so I listened for awhile ... full choir and live orchestra were performing a cantata in honour of "Lady LIBERTY" (chuckle).   When the camera finally did a close-up, I could see that it was indeed a Statue of Liberty (sans torch, for some reason ... that's why I didn't recognize it at first), NOT the Blessed Mother (grin).   I thought it extremely odd at the time, as there was no stained glass window or painting, etc. of JESUS or the CROSS anywhere in the chancel = area.   Cheers,   Bud   Randolph Runyon wrote:   > I'm all in favor of Earth Day, but I do feel there's a problem when = secular > holidays like Mother's Day, Graduation Day, Memorial Day, Independence = Day > and so forth, become part of the liturgical year in some churches. > Especially with the latter two, it seems to me a case of the church = getting > corrupted by the secular culture. Though I guess it's OK for those = churches > that aren't part of the Church anyway because they're really part of = another > religion altogether, the American National Religion that dictates = placing an > American flag by the altar. This does not mean that I wouldn't salute = Old > Glory outside of the church. It's just that I can tell pretty quick when = I > visit a church where its allegiance lies. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Earth Day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:11:38 -0500   On 4/3/04 2:39 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > I'm all in favor of Earth Day, but I do feel there's a problem when = secular > holidays like Mother's Day, Graduation Day, Memorial Day, Independence = Day and > so forth, become part of the liturgical year in some churches. = Especially with > the latter two, it seems to me a case of the church getting corrupted by = the > secular culture. Though I guess it's OK for those churches that aren't = part > of the Church anyway because they're really part of another religion > altogether, the American National Religion that dictates placing an = American > flag by the altar. This does not mean that I wouldn't salute Old Glory > outside of the church. It's just that I can tell pretty quick when I = visit a > church where its allegiance lies. > Oooo! Randy! That's hot stuff. Don't often hear THAT much truth in one whole day, must less in one succinct POST!   Hooorah!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Secular observances in the Kalendar From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:16:05 -0500   Bud writes:   "the STATE may not impose a particular religion or religious observance, but the CHURCH is CERTAINLY not forbidden to pray for the STATE ... given the current disarray of civic life, a National Day of Prayer and Fasting, with the Great Litany sung in procession, and a Votive Mass To Ask the Grace of the Holy Ghost (Anglican Missal, p. G-37) would be ENTIRELY appropriate, if proclaimed by the CHURCH."   Amen, brother! And do we ever need it. We have sinned as a nation, = that's for sure.   That's hilarious about Lady Liberty. But it really is a heresy, isn't it? Or, as I suggested, another religion altogether.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Earth Day From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:32:19 -0500   o > Oooo! Randy! That's hot stuff. Don't often hear THAT much truth in = one > whole day, must less in one succinct POST! > > Hooorah! > > Alan   Thanks, Alan. Felt I just had to say that.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day) From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:40:58 -0700   Randy,   I agree that the church service should be a place of worship to God. We should be cautious of incorporating secular, holidays within the liturgical calendar. We should be able to take our liturgy, music (music relevant to culture of course), and message to any people group, nation or time period without apology or fear of offense. (However, just 'try' tampering with Mother's Day!!! I understand it's the heavest day for telephone companies besides.)   Regarding the flag near the alter, I may be naive, but was led to believe that placing the flag in public meetings was an appeal to the constitution which guarantees the right to meet. In NY, back in the 60's & 70's when we had our church services and meetings outdoors or on street corners, the NYPD allowed the public meeting, even using an organ [on topic] as long as we had a flag. Ironically, it could be as small as a hand held 48 and later 50 star flag.   David E Living in Colorado - Out of touch with reality.   - - On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:42pm, Randolph Runyon wrote: > . . . I do feel there's a problem when secular > holidays like Mother's Day, Graduation Day, Memorial Day, Independence > Day > and so forth, become part of the liturgical year in some churches. .. . . the American National Religion that dictates placing an American flag by the altar. . . when I > visit a church where its allegiance lies. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio David E   David Evangelides Fulfillment Manager International Bible Society Colorado Springs, CO 80921 719-867-2729  
(back) Subject: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:16:59 -0600   Hello, I am writing a research paper Mendelssohn's organ sonatas, and one of my sources says that Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir is used in the Second Sonata. When I studied the sonata, my professor, who liked to talk about the sonata, did not point it out to me, and I really cannot find the hymn. I am wondering if this is a misprint, if it is too varied for me to see it, or if I am just blind. ;-) If anyone can shed any light on this, it would help me a lot. Thanks! Alicia      
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:38:18 -0500   on 4/3/04 4:16 PM, Alicia Zeilenga at azeilenga@theatreorgans.com wrote:   > Hello, > I am writing a research paper Mendelssohn's organ sonatas, and one of my > sources says that Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir is used in the > Second Sonata. When I studied the sonata, my professor, who liked to > talk about the sonata, did not point it out to me, and I really cannot > find the hymn. > I am wondering if this is a misprint, if it is too varied for me to see > it, or if I am just blind. ;-) > If anyone can shed any light on this, it would help me a lot. > Thanks! > Alicia >   It's because it's not in the second, but the third! Look in the pedal = part on the second page.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day) From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:52:01 -0500   on 4/3/04 3:40 PM, David Evangelides at davide@theatreorgans.com wrote:     > > Regarding the flag near the alter, I may be naive, but was led to > believe that placing the flag in public meetings was an appeal to the > constitution which guarantees the right to meet. In NY, back in the > 60's & 70's when we had our church services and meetings outdoors or on > street corners, the NYPD allowed the public meeting, even using an organ > [on topic] as long as we had a flag. Ironically, it could be as small > as a hand held 48 and later 50 star flag. > > David E > Living in Colorado - Out of touch with reality. >   Dear David, That's very interesting about the police practices in New York City in the 60's and 70's. It would suggest that the police would only permit = what they thought would be politically-correct (in their eyes) gatherings. Sounds like a violation of the right of free speech to me. I don't see as how the church needs to make an appeal to the constitution or whatever powers that be for the right to meet. The church has been doing its thing for centuries before the constitution, and shouldn't have to ask anyone's permission. I have heard that the presence of the flag in a church has been justified as an acknowledgement of the right of free assembly and religious freedom that the U.S. Constitution grants, and that's very nice, but churches in Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Norway, Great Britain, France, Germany, Greece, and = more than a hundred other countries have the freedom to meet as well, without = the benefit of the U.S. Constitution. Besides, I should hope that any church worth its salt in the U.S.A. would be meeting anyway, whether the state = gave it the right to do so or not. Of course, I may be naive....   Cheers,     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:30:45 -0600       Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   >Hello, >I am writing a research paper Mendelssohn's organ sonatas, and one of my >sources says that Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir is used in the >Second Sonata. When I studied the sonata, my professor, who liked to >talk about the sonata, did not point it out to me, and I really cannot >find the hymn. >I am wondering if this is a misprint, if it is too varied for me to see >it, or if I am just blind. ;-) >If anyone can shed any light on this, it would help me a lot. > > It is a misprint, it should be "Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu dir." -- Not not Noth. Same Chorale as Bach's Cantata 38.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near alter (Re: Earth Day) From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:44:31 -0700   Dear Rabdy,   You are right and not naive. We should be bold enough to stand up for our belief, regardless of governmental permission.   David E   On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 3:04pm, Randolph Runyon wrote: > > Dear David, ... . .The church > has been doing its thing for centuries before the constitution, and > shouldn't have to ask anyone's permission. . . . Besides, I should > hope that any church > worth its salt in the U.S.A. would be meeting anyway, whether the state > gave > it the right to do so or not. > Of course, I may be naive....   David E   David Evangelides Fulfillment Manager International Bible Society Colorado Springs, CO 80921 719-867-2729  
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 17:06:13 -0600   I know about the Third, it is just the part about the Second that doesn't seem to be correct. It's just that when you are a lowly undergraduate, you figure that you are the one that is wrong, not the book. Eric Werner writes in _Mendelssohn: A New Image of the Composer and His Age_ "[T]he penitential song _Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir_ appears as a powerful _cantus firmus_ in the Second Sonata...In the developing turbulance of the fugue [Third Sonata], he lets the the chorale _Aus tiefer Noth_ resound powerfully in the pedal part."   Alicia Zeilenga       -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:38:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth...   > on 4/3/04 4:16 PM, Alicia Zeilenga at azeilenga@theatreorgans.com > wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am writing a research paper Mendelssohn's organ sonatas, and one of > my > > sources says that Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir is used in the > > Second Sonata. When I studied the sonata, my professor, who liked to > > talk about the sonata, did not point it out to me, and I really > cannot > > find the hymn. > > I am wondering if this is a misprint, if it is too varied for me to > see > > it, or if I am just blind. ;-) > > If anyone can shed any light on this, it would help me a lot. > > Thanks! > > Alicia > > > > It's because it's not in the second, but the third! Look in the pedal > part > on the second page. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Luke's UM, Oklahoma City, OK/was Blind Organists From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 18:33:34 EST   The last time I was there, the fish net had been removed.   The building has a well-deserved reputation for having probably the worst acoustics in existence. The organ is a very nice, large 4-manual (96 = ranks?), and if it can ever be removed from that roundhouse and be installed in a = decent building acoustically, it will make a very good inpression.   The Aeolian-Skinner Company tried several times to do tonal finishing and make it balance, but was completely outdone by that dreadful building. = Once it seemed to balance, you could get off the bench and stand right beside the console, and everything would be completely different. The final = conclusion was that the building is completely hopeless.   D. Keith Morgan    
(back) Subject: Elijah From: <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:12:52 -0500   I am familiar with a published organ-only accompaniment edition for "Messiah." Is/was there a similar volume published for Mendelssohn's "Elijah"? If yes, and if not still in print, does anyone have a copy they'd be willing to lend or sell, at a reasonable rate?   Thanks for the assist.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY    
(back) Subject: a Palms-less Palm Sunday From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:24:55 EST   For the first time in ten years, I will NOT play the Faure "The Palms" tomorrow.   HALLELUJAH, Praise the Lord!!   Neil by the Bay    
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:40:17 -0500   on 4/3/04 6:06 PM, Alicia Zeilenga at azeilenga@theatreorgans.com wrote: Sorry! I didn't know about it being in the Second. My score's at church, or I'd check.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       > I know about the Third, it is just the part about the Second that > doesn't seem to be correct. It's just that when you are a lowly > undergraduate, you figure that you are the one that is wrong, not the > book. > Eric Werner writes in _Mendelssohn: A New Image of the Composer and His > Age_ "[T]he penitential song _Aus tiefer Noth schrei ich zu dir_ appears > as a powerful _cantus firmus_ in the Second Sonata...In the developing > turbulance of the fugue [Third Sonata], he lets the the chorale _Aus > tiefer Noth_ resound powerfully in the pedal part." > > Alicia Zeilenga > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:53:55 -0500   I've played the Mendelssohn Second many times and not once have I thought to myself, "Wow, there's 'Aus tiefer'" -- either prominently or hidden. I suspect it's an error on the author's part, but then perhaps it's in there in the same way "Nun Danket" is in the Karg-Elert piece of the same name.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY   On 3 Apr 2004, at 7.40 PM, Randolph Runyon wrote:   > Sorry! I didn't know about it being in the Second. My score's at > church, > or I'd check.    
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:03:32 -0500   On 4/3/04 7:53 PM, "mewzishn@optonline.net" <mewzishn@optonline.net> = wrote:   > perhaps it's in there in the same way "Nun Danket" is in the Karg-Elert = piece > of the same name.   Oh, come on, Ken. THAT's not so terribly hidden!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Aus tiefer Noth... From: <mewzishn@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:22:48 -0500   Not "terribly" but it's not exactly obvious. "Now" ............. "thank" .................. "we" ................. "all our God" and then a few glancing references here-and-there.   Kenneth L. Sybesma Choirmaster and Organist Church of the Advent, Westbury NY Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY On 3 Apr 2004, at 9.03 PM, Alan Freed wrote:   > Oh, come on, Ken. THAT's not so terribly hidden!