PipeChat Digest #4415 - Tuesday, April 6, 2004
 
Noisy trains
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: fads in organ-building
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
Re: Flag near alter (altered to "altar")
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Flag near alter
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: fads in organ-building
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
Re: Schlicker at Grace Church at 10th street and Broadway in NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Schlicker at Grace Church; 10th and Bway, NYC
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Schlicker at Grace Church
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "Startling a few people" - Messiaen
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: Noisy trains
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: The mander organ in St. Andrew's Church, Holborn
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4411 - 04/05/04
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Cadet Chapel, West Point MA.
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4411 - 04/05/04
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Flag near altar (Re: Earth Day)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Flag near alter
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Admin: Flag near alter
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Rhymes
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
RE: Schlicker at Grace Church at 10th street and Broadway in NYC
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Easter postludes
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Flags near "alter"
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Vibrato and Pastoral Care
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Easter postludes
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Easter postludes
  by "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca>
Re: Easter postludes
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Noisy trains From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:43:59 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Now this says something about Holland!   The lunchtime recitals at St Laurens, Rotterdam, were potentially destroyed by train noise from a huge iron bridge passing close to the building.   Last year, I noted that the cathedral now seems to stand in isolation.   However, when the trains rattled across the bridge, the noise was horrendous. So it was, that the organist had a telephone link to the station, and when a piece was about to start, he would ask the station master to hold the next train!!   Consequently, after every piece, there was the rattle and rumble of a dozen trains speeding across the bridge, before everything fell silent for the next organ work.   As I say, it says something about Holland; if only the fact that on Fridays, the trains ran late!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> > Now if they would only do something about the train > noises from London > Bridge station! Many years ago I took part in a > performance there, which > was more or less ruined by successive train noises > accompanying us! >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/  
(back) Subject: Re: fads in organ-building From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:43:38 -0400   I personally believe that mechanical action organs, if built well need = not be right in the case and can easily suit the direction of a choir by = an organist. Also, concerning the German organs, I feel that a = high-pitched swell mixtures are absolutely useless. I must say that in = general many principals of the neo-baroque movement are horrid things. = I must also say that flutes that sound like xylophones just don't cut = the mustard... (chuckle)=20 =20 Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC Director of Music & Organist St. Paul's Lutheran Church Bethlehem, PA Cell: (610) 462-8017   Subject: Re: fads in organ-building From: <quilisma@cox.net<mailto:quilisma@cox.net>> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:32:37 -0700   Granted, but there are germanic organs, and then there are germanic=20 organs (grin). I daresay Schulze, Hill, Lewis, Brindley & Foster, etc.=20 never built an organ with a breaking-glass Zimbel mixture pitched at=20 1/4' or 1/8', or a Swell where the only reed was a 1/8-length=20 Schnarrentrichterregal, or a Choir organ based upon a 2' or a 1' = Principal.   Cheers,    
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near alter (altered to "altar") From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Excuse the ignorance of a little Englander.....my use of MA meant "Military Academy."   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > on 4/6/04 8:43 AM, Colin Mitchell at > cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Now my guess is that they have flags at the Cadet > > Chapel, West Point MA. > > > > Would I be wrong? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > NY, not MA. But you're probably right.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/  
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near alter From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I didn't correct the misspelling, because I made the link between Altar, Altar Cloth, Alterations....I rather liked it!   "Sort of seamless," I thought.....had me in stitches!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           --- "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: > I am surprised that no one has bothered to correct > the > mis-spelling in the subject line. Just what flags > are there > near whatever we are altering, anyway? >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/  
(back) Subject: Re: fads in organ-building From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:55:46 -0400   If only more specifications could look something like this. Isn't it = beautiful? =20   Chris   ------------ Subject: Re: fads in organ-building From: "Malcolm Wechsler" = <manderusa@earthlink.net<mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net>> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:04:35 -0400   Well, for another approach to this, see = http://www.mander-organs.com/html/st_peter.html<http://www.mander-organs.= com/html/st_peter.html> This Organ is in St. Louis. The Pedal is on = the opposite side of the chancel from the main instrument, but in this = case, rather than using electric action, trackers run under the chancel = floor, or more correctly, above the basement ceiling, from one side of = the chancel to the other. My associate and I had the pleasure of = measuring all of this to make sure the trackers would have an = unobstructed pathway. It was just a little complex, working on two = levels, and needing to be sure that when those trackers arrived on the = south side, under the chancel, they would be coming up through the = chancel floor, and arriving in just the right place. I had a few = nightmares about that until it all came together and worked.   Back to Finale,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com<http://www.mander-organs.com/> =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Schlicker at Grace Church at 10th street and Broadway in NYC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:01:26 -0400   On 4/5/04 9:57 PM, "Oboe32@aol.com" <Oboe32@aol.com> wrote:   > In truth, that organ is not suited to the congregational needs.   Peter: I certainly agree. A low Episcopal church with a high Lutheran organ? I=B9ve wondered if it was accidentally delivered by the UPS man to th= e wrong building. There are several Lutheran churches within a mile or two that could make better use of that instrument, even in shaky condition. I=B9ve heard organists who knew the instrument get adequate sound from it, bu= t it was more a credit to the organist than to the instrument. (How they happened to select it, or even when, I have no idea.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Schlicker at Grace Church; 10th and Bway, NYC From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:13:26 EDT   It replaced two gigantic Skinners, front and back, controlled by the = most advance dual console of its time, with a split combination action. Now they want their Skinner(s) back. There was also talk of getting an old English organ in there. This discussion has been going on for many, many years. They have apparently hired a consultant, also on board for many years.   Sebastian Who finally attended services at Trinity Wall Street to hear what's in there...  
(back) Subject: Re: Schlicker at Grace Church From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:14:20 EDT   I believe that underwinded 32' Open Wood is from the Roosevelt, not the Skinner.   Sebastian  
(back) Subject: Re: "Startling a few people" - Messiaen From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:26:51 -0400   Dear Malcolm and Y'all!   I was at a couple of Olivier's all-Messiaen at St. Ignatius in NYC. I, = too, enjoyed it on so many levels. My non-organist/singer/pastor-type wife = enjoyed it, too, even though it was a stretch for her musically. She liked = it more because she visually could see Olivier play. I enjoyed it for that = reason, too, but I had my scores with me and that helped my listening all = the more. For me, being not so familiar with so much of his music, I = developed a new appreciation for Messiaen. I'm not sure I'm ready for one = of Paul's marathons, but I will have a go at some more!   Malcolm mentions the later, lengthy events. I was in Washington for the = premier and I have to tell you, for my then not-as-sophisticated-as-now = ears, it was a lonnnnnnng evening. I flew down after school from Ohio and = was back in the classroom the next morning. Whew!   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea Nashville  
(back) Subject: Re: Noisy trains From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:15:37 -0700   >Hello, > >Now this says something about Holland! > >The lunchtime recitals at St Laurens, Rotterdam, were >potentially destroyed by train noise from a huge iron >bridge passing close to the building. > >Last year, I noted that the cathedral now seems to >stand in isolation. > >However, when the trains rattled across the bridge, >the noise was horrendous. So it was, that the organist >had a telephone link to the station, and when a piece >was about to start, he would ask the station master to >hold the next train!! > >Consequently, after every piece, there was the rattle >and rumble of a dozen trains speeding across the >bridge, before everything fell silent for the next >organ work. > >As I say, it says something about Holland; if only the >fact that on Fridays, the trains ran late!! > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK It says even more...if you consider the church and its organs by = themselves.   I was born in Rotterdam at the end of WW2. My Dad used to take me to his mother's house on the other side of the city on the back of a bicycle - later a motorcycle.   It required us to cross that part that had been leveled by Nazi bombs , the city's industrial heart. I 'll never forget that area where a brick was the tallest thing remaining. Except.... the skeleton of the St Laurens church and it's steeple all blackened by the fire that destroyed it, stood tall in the middle of all this. Over the years that city was rebuilt around it, and we emigrated to the US. I magine my delight when I returned on my honeymoon some 20+ years later to find the church totally restored in a most glorious way, not only that but containinig not one but THREE new pipe organs. ( And yes Germany paid for one of them!) It was incredble to see that in such a liberal country, where religion has a fairly tenuous position, those in charge thought enough of Rotterdam's heritage to rebuild that symbol of the past.   My wife and I now always make this a must-visit destination when I re-visit Holland.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: The mander organ in St. Andrew's Church, Holborn From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:27:39 -0400   At 10:37 AM 4/6/2004, George wrote: One of my favorite London organs is the two manual Mander in St. Andrew's Holborn.   It is indeed a fine organ, I have been there when a student of the Royal College of Organists was playing it. The RCO had its Headquarters there for several years, - but now they have gone up to Brummagen.   I hope the organ in St. Andrew's is not allowed to fall by the wayside, = for there are very few services in that church. If I remember rightly, they = do not even have a Sunday service there any longer.   Do correct me if I am wrong! I am sure that some-one will!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4411 - 04/05/04 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:35:10 -0400   On 4/5/04 9:56 PM, "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> wrote:   > The reasoning behind this was that we all come together worshipping as th= e > body of Christ of the whole world, not just one country or state. I reme= mber > seeing a few flags in some Lutheran churches before. <g> I was wondering= if > this tidbit is actually some sort of policy with in the denomination...mi= ght > anyone know?   Christopher, I=B9ve kept kind of an eye on this subject in American Lutheranism (though less so with the LCMS) since the 1950s. There was a statement encouraging no national flags in chancels about 40 years ago; I wouldn=B9t call it =B3official,=B2 but =B3semi-authoritative.=B2 The far more comprehensive statement to which Randy has invited our attention is thoroughly in accord with it, and quite persuasive. Again, I wouldn=B9t call it =B3official policy=B2 by any means (Lutherans call such things =B3adiaphora=B2), but just a notch below that: =B3authoritative advice,=B2 or something.   In my last parish, I served as chairman of the local Selective Service Boar= d (at the height of the Vietnam War); but I =B3disposed of=B2 the American and =B3Christian=B2 flags in our chancel. Lost a major-contributing family over that one. I agree with every detail of the statement Randy points us to.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Cadet Chapel, West Point MA. From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:45:05 -0700   =3D-> Now my guess is that they have flags at the Cadet Chapel, West Point MA. <-=3D     Oh ... =3DFLAGS.=3D   *Whew.*   Had me worried there for a moment that there may be hints of a scandal at CCWP... Heaven forbid!   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4411 - 04/05/04 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:55:24 -0400   On 4/5/04 10:15 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   >> The ELCA statement at >> http://www.elca.org/dcm/worship/faq/worship_space/flags.html >> is basically against flags at the altar but is expressed in such a wimpy= way >> that it doesn't sound like a binding position. Anyway, there is a flag = in my >> ELCA church. It's funny that if you encounter flags in a European churc= h >> they are likely to be enemy flags, displayed as trophies of war. Does t= his >> mean that Americans are from Venus, and Frenchman from Mars, contrary to >> popular opinion? ;-)   True, Randy. Wimpy R Us. But in cases like this, that=B9s a deliberate matter of policy. In Lutheranism, we actually try to AVOID =B3laws=B2 where they=B9re not really needed. It is definitely NOT =B3binding.=B2 Six candles on the altar, or two? Vestments?--and what kind? Altar versus-populum or ant= e muram? Eucharistic Prayer of =B3bare=B2 Verba? Even =B3alleluia in Lent=B2 or not= ! Female clergy? Cross or crucifix? I=B9m personally for stronger traditions, but to make them =B3binding=B2 is a bit contrary to our ecclesiastical ethos. (LCMS has perhaps fewer =B3open questions=B2 than ELCA does, but the principle is pretty similar, I think.)   Alan =20   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Flag near altar (Re: Earth Day) From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:03:38 -0400   > I'll return the favor by suggesting you read Walter Wink, who's very = good on identifying the principalities and powers (Ephesians 6: 12) against which we have to contend. =20   This was exactly Stringfellow's concern, too. Wink is a disciple or = successor of Stringfellow. I bought one of Wink's books a few months = ago and misplaced it before reading it. I still have hopes that it = will turn up somewhere; but if not, I assure you I will buy it (and some = of his other books) again. =20   >I'm all for Christians having an interest in government, but I don't = see the point in displaying the flag of that government in a spirit of = thanksgiving. I think God is the only One we have to thank at the altar. Especially = if, as you suggest, it is to God that we pray for peace and good = government, not to the government.=20   Yes, God is Whom we thank, but the blessings of our government are among = the things we thank Him for. If we're thanking God for a harvest, don't = we bring tokens of *that* bounty into the church?   I don't really feel strongly one way or the other about this and = certainly can respect a church's reasons for not accommodating the flag. = But on balance, I think that an attitude of responsibility and = involvement is more fruitful than an attitude of withdrawal and = quietism. A rather disproportionate number of those whose service in = high office have helped make our government something to be thankful for = have belonged to churches that displayed the flag.=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near alter From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:09:13 EDT   I usually just read all the posts and leave enough alone. However, if it wasn't for the Government Of The United States and its people who rally = around that flag, we wouldn't be having this conversation online.   I am quite sure IF we had been defeated in WW II we wouldn't have any freedom of anything as we would either all be slaves or dead.   Something to think about when you comment on OUR flag.   Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Admin: Flag near alter From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:31:20 -0500   This is probably a good sign that we all should move on to a more topical subject...!   Thanks all -- :-) :-)   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator   At 11:35 AM 4/6/2004 -0400, Sam and Randy were quoted:   > > This thread is SO off topic. And "altar" is misspelled. > >But I pointed that out already! (the misspelling).    
(back) Subject: Rhymes From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:32:22 -0700   One of my favorites:   "Marcel Dupre, Marcel Dupre, The hell you say, The hell you say This piece is harder than hell to play..."   (Sung to the tune of Dupre's g-minor fugue)      
(back) Subject: RE: Schlicker at Grace Church at 10th street and Broadway in NYC From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:38:10 -0400   Peter Isherwood writes:   > Grace has a long established choir of Men and Boys, as well as Girls, = all directed by Patrick Allen...though the organs may look pretty, they = are thin, possess tons of mechanical problems, and do not suite the = building or the program.=20   I first met Patrick Allen as an applicant for the position at Saint = John's Cathedral, Wilmington, Delaware, where I was then interim = organist-choirmaster. The search committee, I heard, was very impressed = with the improvisation that they'd asked this student of Gustav = Leonhardt to play. Someone said "it was as though he was falling in = love with the instrument."   That instrument was a three-manual Noack in the rear gallery, tracker = needless to say, also with mechanical stop action and mostly unenclosed. = It is a lovely organ, which I enjoyed playing, but definitely baroque = and not romantic: i.e. not what you would expect to find in an Anglican = cathedral. Dr. Allen was hired, and he served with distinction there = for several years before becoming assistant at S. Thomas NYC.   My point is that, unless he has made an about-face in his tastes, = Patrick Allen is not a romantic-organ nut who would demand that a = Schlicker be replaced on a personal whim. If the reasons given for = replacement or a major rebuild are that it is in parlous mechanical = condition, I think that we can believe this. We might note, as well, = that during his time at Wilmington, he also made a project of doing = something about the three-manual Moller in the front of the building, = which had been completely unplayable for years. Although this was not an = instrument of any great distinction, rather than either junking it or = forgetting about it, he had its best pipes salvaged and rebuilt as a = two-manual. I have confidence that he will inform whatever may be done = at Grace Church with careful stewardship and common sense.    
(back) Subject: Easter postludes From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:45:32 -0400   Time for a new topic, I think. What are youse playing for Easter = postlude? My guess is that at least 50% will be playing the Widor Toccata in F. I'd rather play the Lanquetuit but I can always postpone that until the Sunday after Easter. I think a lot of those visitors who show up for Easter as their only Sunday of the year probably expect the Widor.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Flags near "alter" From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:06:16 -0400   In response to Peter Rodwell's comment about the US Constitution guaranteeing the separation of church and state, that is a common misunderstanding. All that the constitution guarantees is that the government is prohibited from telling us what our religion is. In other words, the United States is forbidden from having a "state religion" in the way that England has the Church of England, the temporal head of which is the sovereign, i.e., Queen Elizabeth II. It does not prohibit churches from meddling in affairs of state, but it DOES prohibit the state from meddling in affairs of church. And just in case anyone is curious, yes, indeedy, there are ecclesiastical courts in the United States. I don't know of any organists who have been hauled before them, but it wouldn't surprise me.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Vibrato and Pastoral Care From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:15:35 EDT   On the subject of pastoral care by church musicians, I am in 100% = agreement with Bud. Bud's examples of pastoral situations which arise in choirs = really resonate with me, especially those surrounding allowing those who miss = rehearsal to sing on Sunday.   In the parish I now serve, it had been the policy in the past that those = who missed Thursday rehearsal were not to sing on Sunday. We lost several very =   talented singers because they were unable to make most Thursday = rehearsals. One singer, in particular--a wonderful Alto who could pass for a Countertenor = if you closed your eyes, cradle Episcopalian who's father and grandfather had = been priests--simply stopped coming. I came to find out that her schedule no = longer permitted weeknight rehearsals and that she was absolutely DEVISTATED = about no longer singing in choir. I came to find out there were several others = in her position and decided to meet earlier on Sunday mornings and invite these people to attend Sunday rehearsal and sing Mass directly afterwards. This decision, while not optimal from a musical standpoint, made a HUGE, = positive difference in the spiritual lives of some of our choirsters.   This is, I believe, what Bud means by Pastoral Care. Many choiristers sing =   not just because they like making fine music, but because it is their = ministry. I agree that church musicians have a duty to be responsive to this.   Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter postludes From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:34:35 EDT   In a message dated 4/6/2004 1:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   > Sunday of the year probably expect the Widor. >   I alternate Widor and the Vierne Carillon   this year is Widor.....   last year though was the HC as organ solo.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter postludes From: "atal" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:33:49 -0400   I was hemming and hawing about Widor - made a departure though, and opted for "Jubilate" by William Matthias. Fun piece!   Andreas Thiel, St. Marys, Ontario   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: Easter postludes     > Time for a new topic, I think. What are youse playing for Easter postlude? > My guess is that at least 50% will be playing the Widor Toccata in F. = I'd > rather play the Lanquetuit but I can always postpone that until the = Sunday > after Easter. I think a lot of those visitors who show up for Easter as > their only Sunday of the year probably expect the Widor. > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Easter postludes From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:49:59 -0400   on 4/6/04 2:34 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com at Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:       last year though was the HC as organ solo.   dale in Florida   What's the HC?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu