PipeChat Digest #4424 - Thursday, April 8, 2004
 
Re: Turn The Other Cheek
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
RE: Elementary School Organist
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: Elementary School Organist
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: Elementary School Organist
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net>
Lift Every Voice and Sing! Tour SPECIAL program
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Elementary School Organist
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Mr Nash
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Turn The Other Cheek
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Recital program citieria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann Tocc
  by "Felix Hell" <hell-felix@t-online.de>
Defining and Organist
  by <tlevans95@charter.net>
RE: Easter Postludes
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Hang together ...
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
RE: snobbery and arrogance
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Piece Heroique
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Defining and Organist
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Piece Heroique
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
RE: Recital program criteria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann 
  by "dan" <dan@hold-tite.com>
Thank you all so much!
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: Lift Every Voice and Sing! Concert Tour
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: Thank you all so much!
  by "dan" <dan@hold-tite.com>
Re: Recital program critieria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann
  by "Felix Hell" <hell-felix@t-online.de>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Turn The Other Cheek From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:21:07 -0400   Bob,   Three years ago we formed Frog Music as a support group for Rodgers Organ owners.     The support group is open to all, and has many members with all kinds of organs...mainly due to the strong MIDI expertise of the group. We get emails for help with all kinds of MIDI questions, and are currently assisting an organist with a Viscount in getting his MIDI channels sorted out.   That first year we published a set of arrangements of Christmas Carols with solo organ parts to be played live while a MIDI orchestra performs the orchestra part.   The response was very encouraging.   We now publish more of Organ Solo with MIDI orchestra music including a Vivaldi Concerto for MIDI Orchestra, a transcription from a Violoncello Sonata, as well as a set of Bach Duets of Arias set for two keyboards.   Dan Miller has published his last two works with us, as part of a solo organ series that may or may not have alternate MIDI registrations. My wife does not like to use MIDI voices, so she appreciates that we now publish "her kind" of music now, too!   We also serve as a parking place for works intended for publishing by major publishers in the future. The Sagerquist Organ Sonata will be available next week, though we expect it to be picked up by a major publisher eventually. Why do people people "park" with us" We pay a very high share to the composer, as high as 50% and the composers keep their copyrights. We are able to bring music to the market place in days rather than years.   We assisted James Pressler in the development of Bach By Immersion, featured in an editorial in TAO in February...a link to the article may be found on our website. We are very proud of the editorial...and of James who has overcome adversity in a grand manner.   Our Temperamental Series of CD's (two more on the way) have been shipped worldwide. An Apples to Apples approach to listening to temperaments, our CD's have been acquired for the permanent collection at the NYU = library.   Enough bandwidth for Frog Music! Please visit our website.   And in closing...to the question, "Why'd you name it that?"...people tend to remember the name!     -- noel jones, aago noeljones@frogmusic.com |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| moderator, rodgers organ users group at frog music press publishing music, midi and users manuals for the rodgers organ 1 877-249-5251 toll free athens, tn, usa users group & the frog web site: www.frogmusic.com      
(back) Subject: RE: Elementary School Organist From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:37:55 -0500     > >I also must be playing at or below elementary school level...I have no >formal training and probably make a hell of a racket to someone with a >trained ear. I do know that the small rural congregation I serve love >to sing, and if not for untrained yokels like me they would have to do >so unaccompanied.   GOD knows what's in your heart....the most accomplished virtuoso who is = not using his talents in praise and glory to GOD is nothing. Use your talents to the best of your abilities and with the help of The HOLY SPIRIT...your music will soar to the heavens....a concept that I believe has alluded the =   young and foolish Mr. Nash.   God Bless you all during this Holiest time of the year.   Yours in Christ,   Jon C. Habermaas (who is still in organ Kindergarten but is looking forward to graduating into elementary school playing.....)    
(back) Subject: RE: Elementary School Organist From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 07:46:28 -0700 (PDT)   Thats just the thing, Jon...Im doign what GOD has called me to do. I also keep in mind, that I only had 1 year of formal piano training = before I started the organ. I started long-term formal piano study at 18. = Just could not afford it. I did secure the keys to an organ at 16 and = taught myself a lot and read tons of books. Buy 21, I was playing the a = few of the 8 Little Pre and Fugues of Kittel/Bach/Krebs?, the entire Suite = Gothique, some of the Pachelbel works such as the Toccata in E minor, and = some other things. So, Im happy..and like Tom...I like what I like. Im thinking that Peter Hurford, Diane Bish, Carol Williams, and several = others are really good in Elementary School as well.         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: RE: Elementary School Organist From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:00:00 -0400   hehehe love this kindergarten, elementary school, high school playing...I guess I just graduated from elementary school playing to junior high last summer with some organ lessons that corrected a few mistakes that I was making. As a devout southpaw on the pedals, it was a hard habit to break.   I firmly believe that no matter who you are and what your position is, the key is that you are making an honest effort to help out your church in the worship of the most high God. I have always said that I have some talent but I have to meet Christ half way on the organ bench because there are times that I do things that I know I am not capable of doing. I have totally dedicated my organ playing ability to the church and not to = anything else. I think that has made the difference in my life.   Just my plug nickels worth.   Milo     > >I also must be playing at or below elementary school level...I have no >formal training and probably make a hell of a racket to someone with a >trained ear. I do know that the small rural congregation I serve love >to sing, and if not for untrained yokels like me they would have to do >so unaccompanied.   GOD knows what's in your heart....the most accomplished virtuoso who is = not using his talents in praise and glory to GOD is nothing. Use your talents to the best of your abilities and with the help of The HOLY SPIRIT...your music will soar to the heavens....a concept that I believe has alluded the young and foolish Mr. Nash.   God Bless you all during this Holiest time of the year.   Yours in Christ,   Jon C. Habermaas (who is still in organ Kindergarten but is looking forward to graduating into elementary school playing.....)          
(back) Subject: Lift Every Voice and Sing! Tour SPECIAL program From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:01:43 -0700 (PDT)   This is the special program that I will play for the Hartford Memorial = Church in Detroit. The Petty Madden there is wonderful and had a lot of = American Classicity to it, with a strong French Accent. Toccata (Sym. 5) C.M. Widor Larghetto Cantabile Van Denman Thompson Prelude Fugue and Chaconne Buxtehude Choral Prelude: Jesus Christ Our Savior JSB Pedal Excertium in G minor JSB The Holy Christ is Arisen JSB Prelude and Fugue in E Minor BWV 533 JSB (the three full registration works, Im attempting to use the pedal as = much as possible, as that organ has a very nice pedal division) Transcriptions Largo from Xerxes Handel Come Sweetes Death JSB Litanies J. Alain Hymn: Lift Every Voice and Sing Intermission Intermezzo in D Minor (Concert Version) TD Hines Adoration FB Price Tuba March in D Major TD Hines (Hartford has a beautiful Jubilee Trumpet = at 8 ft) Cantilene in G Major Mal. Archer Prelude in G Minor G. Pierne Suite Gothique III. Priere A Notre Dame IV. Toccata Hymn: Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: Re: Elementary School Organist From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:12:50 -0600   Hello, Bob Nickel: You wrote: > Since I can't even play the aforementioned "junk," . . .   * * * > And I wonder why I STAY in the AGO!! Bob, the AGO is a community of people of like mind, in most chapters. Read the constitution and by-laws, think about the goals and objectives to which the members ascribe, and you will get a clue as to why "they" behave the way they do. Then, be above the mean level of behavior and don't take it too seriously when you don't quite conform to their image. It is a condition of self-serving togetherness to help them share their very deepest concerns, aspirations, and reinforce each other's desires and hopes for what they believe to be very worthy causes, . . . on many fronts. This is the nature of most "groups" of people, whatever their calling. Take a few minutes to examine your AGO fellows and try to imagine yourself on a person-to-person par with them. If you realise that these people need a place to express their deepest beliefs, then listen to them kindly and press the DELETE key in your mind. Letting the harsh criticism go is as much a basic survival technique for yourself as it is for them to have a forum in which they can express themselves without being put down. Accept your individuality as being unique, and believe that God made you this way, gave you a church to belong with others of like spiritual mindset, and allow you to co-mingle with others in the AGO who may also be a bit unique. <smiles> As for being an "elementary school organist," you are ahead of me. Keep up the good work. Each of us has our own set of gifts to express. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Mr Nash From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:14:56 EDT   In a message dated 4/8/2004 9:48:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, swell_shades@yahoo.com writes:   > gotta go practice "Here Comes Peter Cottontail" for our > communion anthem on Sunday. >   Now here is a choice for the people! Somewhere lurking in the "walking-filler" children's sermon time that song will appear in my = church---probably in dorian mode though.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Turn The Other Cheek From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:15:28 EDT   In a message dated 4/8/2004 10:06:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes:   > think Frog Music is the "croak, croak, croak" sounds eminating from > Rodgers Organs. > >   LOL    
(back) Subject: Recital program citieria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann Toccata, etc.) From: "Felix Hell" <hell-felix@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:25:18 +0200   Dear Dan,   don't worry about this at all. Last Friday in Gettysburg, PA, I had a piece in my concert program, which is technically very easy, but it is simply wonderful music. It was a short choral prelude by Johann Gottfried Walther on "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden". I hereby assure you, and all my fellow listmembers, that I will continue to set up my programs from the musical point of view only, always bearing in mind the appropriateness of the program for the respective organ (no Langlais, Litaize,or Alain on an Andover tracker, = e.g.) with one exception: I feel strongly tempted to put the Boellmann-Toccata on the program of my recital of May 15, 2005, which will be at St. John's United Methodist Church in (guess where?) Aiken, North Carolina :-) But, seriously speaking, I love that piece, which I heard the first time on a CD in a dazzling performance by Olivier Latry at Notre Dame (recorded 1993), and then became one of my first pieces of this genre. I performed it first in December 1995, and it turned me on while playing it. It still does, btw. As to the technical difficulty of the piece, it's all quite relative. I still would love to hear it performed properly by people who so easily say that it is not demanding enough and therefore not appropriate to meet their high performance level. Olivier Latry felt obviously not above the piece and recorded it. Jus a few thoughts.   Felix   dan wrote:   >As a lurker on this list, I have learned so much from many seemingly >accomplished musicians and put what I have learned to constant use. > >I also must be playing at or below elementary school level...I have no >formal training and probably make a hell of a racket to someone with a >trained ear. I do know that the small rural congregation I serve love >to sing, and if not for untrained yokels like me they would have to do >so unaccompanied. > >I consider it my privilege to lurk and learn here...please remember >people's dignity when criticism is offered. > > >Dan Greer, >Learning in Creemore and Duntroon, Ontario > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Defining and Organist From: <tlevans95@charter.net> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:47:25 +0000   I usually try to stay out of these types of discussions however here is my = take on it.   No matter if we have a DMA or not, or if we are playing five part fuges = for postludes, or playing a simple hymn based piece. First and foremost = we should be playing becasue we enjoy it. I grew up with both parents = that could play to some extent. Dad playing the 'big note' books on his = horribly expensive Lowry Theatre organ, and then mom your basic pianist = turned church organist, to me who actually studied in college. The goal = is still the same in that we love making music. Just playing the right = notes does not a musician make. This year my mom took me aside before a = recital and said "There are people you play better than, and there are = those that play better than you, but no matter how you play, your passion = for what you do will always show through." I feel that is what we all = share a passion for what we do and it brings people who probably normally = would have never been introduced together to share that passion or = obsession as some of my non music friends call it. I! t should not matter if someone can play the Sowerby Pageant or not, it = does not define their love of the organ.   Travis    
(back) Subject: RE: Easter Postludes From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:53:43 -0400   I've noticed no mention yet of Franck's Piece Heroique. An friend way = back in my student days mentioned admiringly how it was the traditional = Easter postlude in a church that he used to attend. At the time, I = thought it was an off-the-wall idea, but the more I thought about it, = the better I liked it. =20   If Jesus Christ, crucified for us, descended into hell to liberate souls = there, and then risen again isn't heroic, who/what is?      
(back) Subject: Hang together ... From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:56:02 -0400   First of all, I love the Suite Gothique. Period. My congregation (UMC) loves it when I play Boellmann, Bach, Vierne, Faure, Dupre, Wagner, Langlais and even Messiaen. They adore me when I play Wagner, Schubert, Elgar, and Tchiakowsky.   However, they also love it when I play Michael W. Smith, Amy Grant, Sandi Patti, Barenaked Ladies, and Jewel. (I am employed by the church, and, within reason, I do what I am told.) The new supplementary hymnal consists mostly of real, actual junk, from my perspective, and yet it is making huge inroads into our traditional services (never mind the contemporary services). My opinion on all this recent fighting amongst us is that, as Ben Franklin said, we must hang together or surely we will hang separately. The average congregant does not really regard one classical composer as more or less serious or worthwhile than another, and yet does know what he or she likes. If we give our fellow worshippers what they like from the classical plate, they will want more. If we force- feed them only classical music that they find offensive or just plain boring, then the guitar band will glady fill the gap. Do the math. Ten years later, no more organist.   -WG        
(back) Subject: RE: snobbery and arrogance From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:58:38 -0400   james nerstheimer writes:   > On Sunday, May 16th at 4pm, we are going to take the musical = mothership out=20 for a little spin with Yours Truly at the helm. Aside from an = overshooting=20 SLIC motor and a ciphering 32', we're nearly finished with our organ=20 project. Wonderful sounds to be had by all.... It's a program for the = people and if the=20 purists must sneer, let them head for the Parish Hall, chug a beer and = come=20 back when they're feeling better.   It sounds like a sparkling occasion; and thank you for a wonderfully = written post, delightful to read. =20      
(back) Subject: Piece Heroique From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:10:51 -0500   I always thought of this as a prelude for Palm Sunday. There are sections = in it that would be lost in the general exit noise of a sortie. Robert Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmons, Paul <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: RE: Easter Postludes     > I've noticed no mention yet of Franck's Piece Heroique. An friend way back in my student days mentioned admiringly how it was the traditional Easter postlude in a church that he used to attend. At the time, I = thought it was an off-the-wall idea, but the more I thought about it, the better I liked it. > > If Jesus Christ, crucified for us, descended into hell to liberate souls there, and then risen again isn't heroic, who/what is?      
(back) Subject: Re: Defining and Organist From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:30:33 EDT   In a message dated 4/8/2004 11:49:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, tlevans95@charter.net writes:   > First and foremost we should be playing becasue we enjoy it.   actually , i play because i have been given a talent in this area and was =   reared to use what talents i was given ---Soli Deo Gloria.   the fact that i enjoy it is a bonus.   the fact that i have to minister to the "people" and not just to me is = just the way the cookie crumbles IF i am doing the first thing.   What fun.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Piece Heroique From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:14:48 EDT   Mr. Lind,   Thanks to the graciousness of the truly amazing Sally Slade Warner, = Everett Titcomb's lucent "improvisiations" on plainchant themes such as "Hosanna = filio David", "Vexilla Regis" and others will be coming back to publication.   Pax, Bill H. SJE, Bowoin St., Boston.    
(back) Subject: RE: Recital program criteria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann Toccata, etc.) From: "dan" <dan@hold-tite.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:14:55 -0400   Thanks so much for your interest and reply. I am not a concert musician of _any_ caliber, but I do love this instrument and the glorious noise it can make. It would be a high point of my musical life if I were able to perform the Boellmann-Toccata or anything like it.   Cheers, Dan        
(back) Subject: Thank you all so much! From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 12:26:18 -0700 (PDT)   Well the day has been something here, but particulary for me. I want to thank everyone who made my mail box so full that i could not = recieve any more emails! for your kind words and support after Mr. Nash's = truly cruel, slanderous, character defaming attack. What he does not know = is that before my becoming a music major, I was in pre-law school. Let's = just say im talking to my attorney next week, and i have contacted James = Thomashower at AGO national headaquarters. he not only brought my music = into this, but got very personal. I have had a lot of people attempt to = halt my career as a Sacred Musician and Organist because of personal = vendettas against my life, my race, and thing things I am able to do at = the organ after minimal education at the piano. Some of those people have = even served the AGO in beeefy capacities. This is truly the last straw. Thanks even for phone calls from people in support! Some of you, it really = makes me thrilled to see that you are behind me. I am still shaken and trying to get my mind straight for the weekend. Thanks you all...so much. Going to practice...THE BOELLMANN!!!!! D     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: RE: Lift Every Voice and Sing! Concert Tour From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:30:28 -0400   Morton Belcher asked about Wayne Anthony Barr's dissertation cited by = Desiree Hines.   According to Dissertation Abstracts, Dr. Barr studied at the University = of Michigan, and the dissertation is dated 1999. Marilyn Mason was the = advisor.   "A choral conducting recital, two organ recitals and a document were = presented as dissertation for the Doctor of Musical Arts degree in Organ = (Church Music)." "The document, "The History of the Pipe Organ in black Churches in the = United States of America", discusses the circumstances surrounding the = entrance of the pipe organ into the black church. It traces the history = of the pipe organ in the congregations of St. Thomas Episcopal Church, = Philadelphia, and St. Philip's Episcopal Church, New York. It also = determines that the perception of the pipe organ in the black church = today is being influenced by a cultural awareness movement and by the = changing face of worship." Very few doctoral dissertations are published without extensive = reworking, probably including a change of title, but it is common for = scholars to publish further in the area of interest that they have = staked out for themselves with a dissertation. However, virtually all American dissertations are available on demand = from University Microfilms International. = http://www.il.proquest.com/hp/Support/DServices/order/. In this case, = the Accession Number is AAG0800070. Paul Emmons Music Librarian West Chester University of Pa.            
(back) Subject: RE: Thank you all so much! From: "dan" <dan@hold-tite.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:38:37 -0400   This 'kindergarden' musician truly wishes he could be present to hear that!     ALL blessings of Easter to you!     Going to practice...THE BOELLMANN!!!!!   D                
(back) Subject: Re: Recital program critieria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann Toccata, etc.) From: "Felix Hell" <hell-felix@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:32:53 +0200   Sorry for the spelling error.I ment recital criteria, of course.   Felix Hell wrote:   > Dear Dan, > > don't worry about this at all. Last Friday in Gettysburg, PA, I had > a piece in my concert program, which is technically very easy, but it > is simply wonderful music. It was a short choral prelude by Johann > Gottfried Walther on "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden". > I hereby assure you, and all my fellow listmembers, that I will > continue to set up my programs from the musical point of view > only, always bearing in mind the appropriateness of the program for > the respective organ (no Langlais, Litaize,or Alain on an Andover > tracker, e.g.) > with one exception: I feel strongly tempted to put the > Boellmann-Toccata on the program of my recital of May 15, 2005, which > will > be at St. John's United Methodist Church in (guess where?) Aiken, > North Carolina :-) But, seriously speaking, I love that piece, which > I heard > the first time on a CD in a dazzling performance by Olivier Latry at > Notre Dame (recorded 1993), and then became one of my first pieces > of this genre. I performed it first in December 1995, and it turned me > on while playing it. It still does, btw. As to the technical difficulty > of the piece, it's all quite relative. I still would love to hear it > performed properly by people who so easily say that it is not > demanding enough and therefore not > appropriate to meet their high performance level. Olivier Latry felt > obviously not above the piece and recorded it. Jus a few thoughts. > > Felix > > dan wrote: