PipeChat Digest #4425 - Friday, April 9, 2004
 
RE: Suite Gothique...
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Pipe organs in Black churches
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Pipe organs in Black churches
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Assistance Needed Again
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Suite Gothique...
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Easter Sunday at St. Turibius Chicago
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Looking for a Kimball English horn
  by "Michael Brandt" <michaelpl70@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipe organs in Black churches
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: pipe organ control systems
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Turn The Other Cheek
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Recital program criteria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann 
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Pipe organs in Black churches
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net>
Tim or Tom in Oregon? Where are you?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Tom or Tim...you got a Rodgers from Jackson, MS
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Tom or Tim...you got a Rodgers from Jackson, MS
  by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com>
Re: Emutek
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Music List, Holy Thursday, Church of the Nativity
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Assistance Needed Again
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Flag near altar, I guess
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Elemental  Organist
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Suite Gothique... From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 16:42:39 -0400   > By the way, on at least one list there were a couple of postings which mentioned that Alec Wyton, when teaching at Union Seminary, told his students to try and learn as much service repertoire as possible when in school... because they [his students] probably wouldn't have that much free time after graduating to increase their repertoire that fast...   That is very good advice. Furthermore, my teacher, LaVahn Maesch, = encouraged me while in high school by promising that if one learns a = piece thoroughly in one's youth, one never forgets it. And he was a = stickler for *thorough* learning such as I have never encountered since. = Nobody could fool him with half-measures.   Even when one has the time and patience for such thoroughness later on = in life, the older one gets, the less one has to show for it after the = cobwebs of another few years. But reach back to those early days, and = the repertoire is still there with relatively little review.   I originally heard the first movement of the Symphonie Gothique played = especially for me by a Lawrence student when I visited her church at age = 11. It sounded very impressive and I felt honored to hear it. She took = it seriously, and it wouldn't have occurred to me then that anything a = Lawrence organ major chose to play out of her own free will would be = musically unacceptable. Later that year, Porter Heaps, in town during = one of his Hammond Organ showcase tours, chose the toccata to = demonstrate the top-of-the-line "concert model" organ. I learned the = suite myself a few years later. I came to think of it as "emergency = music", something to bring out when one must put one's best foot forward = without a lot of practice time. Perhaps I turned my nose up for awhile = at the third movement, but not even in my most anti-romantic period did = I consider the other movements beyond the pale as church voluntaries or = even as viable recital possibilities. =20   We are free to do so, of course. But we are then obliged to reject tons = of other colorful repertoire as well. We must take care never to play = anything by the likes of Dubois, Guilmant, Gigout, or Benoit, I should = think-- not to mention a great deal in other schools of composition-- or = our cherished aesthetic reputations will suffer from charges of = arbitrariness and inconsistency. Scramble just a little higher up Mount = Olympus, and you might have to stop playing the organ altogether, like = many celebrated singers, pianists, conductors, etc. who'd never go to an = organ recital on the grounds that there's no worthwhile music for that = instrument, at least since Bach. But I'm afraid I'd find life entirely = confined to the rarefied air and cramped real estate at the pinnacle to = get boring. As did the gods of yore, evidently: isn't that why they = kept coming down and bothering the human race so much? :-)           > =20  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs in Black churches From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:20:13 EDT   An interesting note about pipe organs in Black churches....my church, = since it's founding in 1890, has had a pipe organ. The first church building = had a 7 rank Hinners, a "stock model" organ, typical of the era, but nonetheless = it was a pipe organ. We have graduated from that, and obviously have gone = past that now for our new church, but there are many Black churches who from = their early days have had pipe organs. I think that in northern cities it was = more common than in the south, but I'm glad that Wayne Barr did his = dissertation on this topic. It's a fascinating topic, one that is almost unknown to those =   outside of the "Black church" circles. Most people assume (wrongly) that = the majority of Blakc churches make due with Hammonds, but there are quite a = few who have pipe organs or classical digital/electronic organs and who do classical/traditional music. Unfortunately, they are not usually the ones = that are seen on TV, so the sterotype gets further portrayed that the churches all do = gospel music. Wrong!   Monty Bennett Friendship Missionary Baptist Church Charlotte, NC    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs in Black churches From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:31:44 EDT   I serviced the organ at 2nd Baptist, LA. Went to a service once (they alsways had black doctoral students at USC for organists) and discovered = the PERFECT accompaniement for gospel--their 1929 Moller. My, could it get up and go. = At the time the organist's name was James Brown (no kidding!) He was terrific!!!   Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Assistance Needed Again From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:01:23 -0400   Greetings Fellow Listers,   Again I am appealing to the collective wisdom of the group to assist me in some information, I have become fuzzy about possibly due to too many senior moments.   E.Power Biggs recorded an LP for Columbia years ago entitled French Organ Music. I have this album and enjoy it often. I was of the mind that it was recorded in Symphony Hall, Boston. However, upon reading the album notes again I see special thanks given to GDH and Dr. Lowell P. Beveridge; Columbia University.   Was this perhaps recorded in the Columbia Chapel? I am really curious now. I asked Biggsie years ago but it has now slipped from my memory. Any information would be appreciated.   A Happy Easter and Passover Greetings to all.   Mack, foggy in Boston    
(back) Subject: Re: Suite Gothique... From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:04:17 -0400   On 4/8/04 4:42 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > That is very good advice. Furthermore, my teacher, LaVahn Maesch, = encouraged > me while in high school by promising that if one learns a piece = thoroughly in > one's youth, one never forgets it. And he was a stickler for *thorough* > learning such as I have never encountered since. Nobody could fool him = with > half-measures.   Paul. Rather well said, throughout. Them gods can be NUICANCES! Alan    
(back) Subject: Easter Sunday at St. Turibius Chicago From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:33:14 -0700 (PDT)   Music List for St. Turibius Easter Sunday Mass Part Settings- Gloria- C. Thomas Andrews Sanctus-Jan Vandermulst Memorial Acclamations-Danish Tone Lamb of God -David Clark Isle   ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Preludes of Organ Music Preludium in C Minor BWV 549-A J.S. Bach Prelude in G G.F. Handel Prelude and Fugue in E Minor (533) J.S. Bach Processional Hymn At The Lamb's High Feast We Sing (Salzburg) Gather Comprehensive 433 Introduction: Festal Toccatina for Salzburg arr. T. Desiree' Hines Responsorial Psalm` This is The Day the Lord has made (Paluch C-52) Gospel Acclamation -Alleluia (Gelineau) Offertory Hymn All Creatures of Our God and King! (Lasst Uns Erfreuen) Introduction by Dale Krider Communion Hymn -Amazing Grace (New Brittain) Gather Comprehensive 612 Communion Anthem Adoramus Te Christe- Theodore Dubois Communion Organ Meditation Priere A Notre Dame - Leon Boellmann Recessional Hymn Sing With All the Saints in Glory! (Hymn To Joy) Gather Comprehensive 442 Introduction: Flourish for Hymn to Joy arr. TDH Interlude bet. vs 3 and 4 from The Coral Ridge Collection arr. Rebecca K. = Owens Postlude Suite Gothique Leon Boellmann IV. Toccata     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: Looking for a Kimball English horn From: "Michael Brandt" <michaelpl70@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT)   Hello, I recently purchased what might be the last remaining (and unaltered) = Kimball "Soloist" residence pipe organ (Opus 6695, 2/13 from c. 1923). I = would like to add an English horn to the specification (in place of the = original "synthetic" orchestral oboe), and am looking for a Kimball stop = of this vintage. Ideally, I would like to find a "cobra head" English = horn rank (rather than the "flat top"), voiced on 7 1/2" WP. Although = rare, I am sure one is out there someplace waiting to be reinstalled in an = original Kimball instrument. Any leads or information on an available = rank would be appreciated. Please respond privately at = MichaelPL70@yahoo.com. Best regards, Michael LuBrant      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs in Black churches From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:56:58 -0400   On 4/8/04 5:20 PM, "RMB10@aol.com" <RMB10@aol.com> wrote:   > It's a fascinating topic, one that is almost unknown to those outside of = the > "Black church" circles. Most people assume (wrongly) that the majority o= f > Black churches make due with Hammonds, but there are quite a few who have= pipe > organs or classical digital/electronic organs and who do classical/tradit= ional > music. =20 >=20 Monty: Very important post. Thank you. My own denomination is as guilty as any. We (ELCA) STILL have congregations that they =B3label=B2 (with the =B3nicest of intentions=B2) as =B3black=B2 because they have more than 28% (or something) black membership! And the whole musical milieu is very much a part of the picture. We=B9re proud to have a Class A black composer/performer/teacher [David Hurd[ in our neighborhood, whose music we do a good bit of=8Bbut neither BECAUSE he=B9s black nor IN SPITE of it. (Nor even because he=B9s a neighbor, but just because it=B9s good stuff!)   Don=B9t make no nevermind.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: pipe organ control systems From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:29:14 -0400   At 08:24 PM 2004-04-07 -0700, you wrote: >>Dear List: >> >>We maintain a small 2 manual, 14 rank pipe organ that is in need of a = new >>control system. The console has been somewhat electrified but retains an =   >>ailing pneumatic combination action. The church has limited funds, but >>wants something that is both efficient AND effective with regards to = MIDI >>interfacing as well as general function. >> >>I would appreciate input from the list as to what systems are worthy of >>consideration. >> >>Cordially, >> >>Jan S. Van Der Stad   Jan,   You may want to check out CLASSIC ORGAN WORKS. Have been in business over =   25 years, and are one of the biggest in the business. Located in Markham, =   Ontario, but most of the work gets exported to the US.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Turn The Other Cheek From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:49:07 +0800   Thank you, Noel. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> > Bob, > Three years ago we formed Frog Music as a support group for Rodgers > Organ owners.    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital program criteria (Was: Elementary School Organist/ Boellmann Toccata, etc.) From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:09:04 -0400     > It would be a high point of my musical life > if I were able to perform the Boellmann-Toccata or anything like it.   You could start with a simplified arrangement ...   http://www.ohscatalog.org/ohscatalog/orshowmadpla1.html   In fact, it would be better if you improvised your own simplified arrangement.      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organs in Black churches From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:16:09 -0400   At 06:56 PM 4/8/2004, Alan wrote:   <Monty: Very important post. Thank you. My own denomination is as guilty= =20 as any. We (ELCA) STILL have congregations that they =93label=94 (with the= =20 =93nicest of intentions=94) as =93black=94 because they have more than 28%= (or=20 something) black membership! And the whole musical milieu is very much a=20 part of the picture. We=92re proud to have a Class A black=20 composer/performer/teacher [David Hurd] in our neighborhood, whose music we= =20 do a good bit of=ADbut neither BECAUSE he=92s black nor IN SPITE of it. = (Nor=20 even because he=92s a neighbor, but just because it=92s good stuff!)>   _______     I sing at a church that is now primarily a black membership although it=20 didn't start out that way. We are in Brooklyn, NY, the oldest church in=20 NYC (celebrating 350 years this spring) and we have a pipe organ. I'm the= =20 soprano soloist there.   I also happen to have had the pleasure of working with David Hurd when I=20 was at St. James in Manhattan quite a few years ago, and yes, he's=20 fabulous. A wonderful organist and a wonderful composer.   The congregation at Old Dutch loves it when we (the quartet) sing=20 spirituals, and they love it when we sing classical music. The quartet is= =20 3/4 caucasion, just for the record.   Perhaps I should add that my guess is that the demographic breakdown these= =20 days is 75% black, 25% caucasion. But the caucasion membership is=20 elderly. The "young people" are all black these days (except for the=20 pastor's son). I've been singing there for 14 years and I've seen the=20 caucasion membership go down in those years as the african-american (this=20 term is not really pertinent to this congregation since many of them are=20 "african-caribbean") has increased. But their musical interests are very=20 broad.   Mura Kievman        
(back) Subject: Tim or Tom in Oregon? Where are you? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT)   You gave me a call today (like a few others) in support of me after the = Pipechat mess PLEASE email me. You really made my day as many others did.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: Tom or Tim...you got a Rodgers from Jackson, MS From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 19:11:37 -0700 (PDT)   from a Presbyterian Church. PLEASE email me. I need to keep in touch with people like you!     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today  
(back) Subject: Re: Tom or Tim...you got a Rodgers from Jackson, MS From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:17:31 -0400   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Re: Emutek From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:17:10 EDT   I have had a slightly "different" and less fortunate experience with Emutek.....contact directly if you wish further information. regards R.Siegel    
(back) Subject: Music List, Holy Thursday, Church of the Nativity From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 01:17:53 EDT   Church of the Nativity, Fair Haven, NJ Rev. Jerome Nolan, Pastor Peter R. Isherwood, Organist and Choirmaster   Holy Thursday: Our Lord's Supper   Prelude: Chorale Prelude on O Sacred Head, Bach "Pie Jesu" Lloyd Webber Gathering: Love Divine, Hyfrydol Kyrie: Missa De Sancta Maria, Willan Gloria: Powell in F Psalm: Gelineau Gospel: Chant II Mode Washing of the Feet: "In Remembrance", Red Offertory: "Adoramus Te Christe", Dubois Sanctus: Memorial Acclamation: Community Mass, Proulx Amen: Lord's Prayer: Chant Lamb of God: Community Mass, Proulx Communion: Ubi Caritas, Chant Communion Anthem: "Ave Verum", Mozart Procession: Pange Lingua    
(back) Subject: Assistance Needed Again From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:36:06 -0400   My thanks to all who replied to my question. It was the 1949 Columbia LP ML 4195 I was referring to, not the St. George's one which I also own.   The consensus seem to be it is the Columbia U Chapel organ.   Thanks again, Mack    
(back) Subject: Re: Flag near altar, I guess From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:20:27 +0100   Yep! sounds good to me.   I'll suggest it at the next meeting of the Parish Church Council   (You might even appear in the Minutes ....... It all counts towards our 15 minutes.)   Harry [MusicMan]   -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 08 April 2004 14:41 Subject: Re: Flag near altar, I guess     > >Maybe (though I'd not encourage it) each group should have it's OWN = Sunday. >Commonly the Boy Scouts do it that way, for one example. > >Alan >    
(back) Subject: Re: Elemental Organist From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:35:29 +0100   I often enjoy, particularly at Evensong, on those still, semi-dusk = evenings, playing from volumes of 'The Village Organist'; simple, melodic pieces, without much development which might confuse and distract those worshipers engaging in silent prayer. Most poignant of all, observing my father's markings and phrasings, in = books which HE used, when he was a lad, playing in neighbouring churches. Now he, born in 1900, often played at the Lloyd's home (the Lloyds Bank people) when they had friends over from Broadheath for the odd meal, and = Sir Edward enjoyed father's interpretations of his pieces. Dad said that he = was told he could feel free to play them in his own manner since 'the great = man' felt that they were still faithful to his original ideas. [Much the same happened to me in the late 60's when Britten thought my = ideas 'interesting' (meant, I believe, without satire or cynicism) - "I know, = 'cos I was there"]   So, no fancy dressing, just good, wholesome fare.   Makes that 'special' piece all the more special when people hear it.   Harry [MusicMan]   PS. Enjoyed introducing the Maundy service yesterday with Rheinberger's Passacaglia. I felt that it was unusually effective in that scenario.   -----Original Message----- From: Robert Nickel <rnickel@charter.net> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 08 April 2004 14:01 Subject: Elementary School Organist     I like the pieces, and my congregation likes the pieces.