PipeChat Digest #4427 - Sunday, April 11, 2004
 
Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
RE: Easter postludes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
ethics
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: Easter postludes
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Disqualifying attack and this has been going on for a long time.
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
ETHICS-was Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: ethics
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: ethics
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Suite Gothique...
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Suite Gothique...
  by <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com>
Re: Suite Gothique...
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:41:27 EDT   Hi, Y'all!   I was surprised to see this link to the OHS catalogue: http://www.ohscatalog.org/ohscatalog/orshowmadpla1.html   Although I've purchased a zillion cd's from OHs, I've never purchased an actual score. I'm curious who is the arranger for these simplified = arrangements and the publisher. Did I miss something?   Happy Saturday before a lonnnnnnnnnnng work day tomorrow!   By the way, there is not a note of the Widor coming from my short, little fingers tomorrow. I have a crackerjack trumpeter (they call them "A" list = players in Nashville studio parlance) playing first chair, and we're doing the = Mouret as the postlude for all three services. Is it the easy way out? = Absolutely? Will the congregation get a large charge out of hearing this familiar = piece played well? Absolutely! Will I be able to beat the Baptists to the buffet = after the third service? Absolutely!!!!!!   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: RE: Easter postludes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:58:37 -0500   What a fabulous choice!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Margo Dillard     My traditional Easter postlude is "In Dir is die Freude" - J.S. Bach        
(back) Subject: ethics From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:19:15 EDT   In a message dated 4/10/2004 7:42:22 AM Central Daylight Time, DarrylbytheSea@aol.com writes: I was surprised to see this link to the OHS catalogue: http://www.ohscatalog.org/ohscatalog/orshowmadpla1.html   Although I've purchased a zillion cd's from OHs, I've never purchased an actual score. I'm curious who is the arranger for these simplified = arrangements and the publisher. Did I miss something? Did anyone else think twice when they saw this book? I have a few issues with it. I have never seen it-but am going to ASSUME the following = things:   1. It makes the pieces easier by leaving out the tiny details and = virtuosic sections. 2. Most people who would purchase this book are trained organists, have probably heard, and even "attempted" the works (in their proper form)-and = are looking for an easy way out.   Could the following be possible results?   1. Someone plays a piece in its edited form-and mentions nothing about it being edited-this means that the organist has MISLEAD his audience-and = ultimately insulted the composer and our instrument. 2. Even if the organist does mention that it was edited-the composer's = name will be remembered by the audience-not the editor. MISLEADING 3. The organist is cheating himself out of the "spiritual" connection and =   understanding made with the composer. A connection that can be attained = only through hours of diligent work 4. Could this lead to the organ being insulted and disrespected even more = by other instrumentalists? 5. Does this make the organ and its rich history look bad? 6. Is it disrespectful to the people who have worked hard to learn the = works in their proper form?   One of my teachers once told me, "God is in the details." It's true... Happy Easter. gfc     Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:46:45 EDT   The Mouret is a wonderful Postlude, having played it with a trumpet player =   who teaches in Dallas last year. This has been the "day of days." My recital, on which I have been working =   for about a year, as it was changed from last September (when we had the = flood in the house) to April. Everything was going like clockwork. We arrived = in Chickasha in a timely manner, I bought a light suit to wear, I had my = hair fixed and the pianist of the church met us there so I could set up the organ, = with Keith helping with registration. It was the church where I previously = played and the program was for the MacDowell Club. The rehearsal went very well, =   almost without a mistake. Then we went to Oklahoma City to have dinner = with my family and spend the night. So far, so good. We awakened on time, had breakfast and left for Chickasha so I could be at =   the church about 9:00 as the program was at 10:00. For some reason, Keith = and I were talking and missed the Chickasha exit from the turnpike. We had to drive to the next toll gate, about 5 miles away and were told we could not = turn around for 16 more miles. By now it was after 9:00 and I was getting = frantic. There is a turn around at the gate, but there is a large fine if you use = it and we had to pay a toll. We drove the 16 miles to the next exit and = back, having to pay another toll. I arrived at the church at 9:47. People were = already in the sanctuary, so I could not warm up. They always sing a hymn to open =   the meeting, so I played for that. But then the meeting lasted another 30 =   minutes, and the weather was getting colder, as was the area around the = organ. My toes were getting numb and my hands cold. Finally, it was my turn to = play. I think I only missed one or two pedal notes (too many) because I could not feel my feet, and had to slow the Pachelbel Toccata in E minor a little = because my hands were very cold. It was a chronological order of church music = from the 14th century to the 21st. I ended with contemporary choruses with the audience singing along. For the encore I did a Douglas Wagner Toccata. = It is easy and sounds hard. By then my hands were warmed up. We had refreshments, = then went out to eat with the pianist, who was at the church all 15 years I was =   organist. Before we left the church, I tried to fix one of the commodes = by lifting the top and trying to fasten the spring that had come loose. = Water sprayed all over me, hair, suit and all. Then we went outside and the temperature =   had decreased about 15 degrees. We went to the restaurant and I caught = the sleeve of my suit on a cup of sour cream, which spread quickly all over = the table (the sour cream). When we were leaving, sour cream was still on the = ticket, and Keith accidently wiped it on his suit. (He played a duet with me at = the recital which went very well. We are planning to do some organ duets = next). We are now home in Denton and it is 51 degrees. I'm suffering "fall out" = from the recital being over, as I have practiced many hours a day, particularly = this week. There is still the Easter service in the morning. I am playing, by =   request, "The Holy City" and "The Easter Song" for the Prelude and Keith = is doing the Postlude. He is going to improvise on Easter hymn tunes. There is no =   service tomorrow night, so we are going to a church in Ft. Worth that is = having a musical program. Monday I crash. Keith said I played well. I was in a daze, and had a wrong registeration = on one of the pieces, so I just announced that I needed to change stops and = was going to start over. Everyone laughed. The music seemed to be enjoyed, especially the duet. In fact they asked us to come back and do a program = of duets. Now I can start learning some new music. We old dogs can still learn something new. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:19:56 -0400   > I was surprised to see this link to the OHS catalogue: > http://www.ohscatalog.org/ohscatalog/orshowmadpla1.html >=20 > Although I've purchased a zillion cd's from OHs, I've never purchased a= n=20 > actual score. I'm curious who is the arranger for these simplified arra= ngements=20 > and the publisher. Did I miss something?   I believe the arranger is Colin Hand and the publisher is Mayhew:   http://www.kevinmayhewltd.com/church_music/madeplay.html   I doubt if you are missing much ... I haven't seen the Bo=EBllmann=20 arrangement, but I have seen a simplified arrangement of Widows infamous=20 Toccata ... it was simplified primarily by leaving out the arpeggiated=20 right hand part. It should not be difficult for anyone to improvise his=20 or her own simplified arrangement. In any case, a simplified arrangement=20 could be considered a stepping stone to the original arrangement. There=20 are organists or organ students who wouldn't need a simplified=20 arrangement ... but there may be some who would find it useful.      
(back) Subject: Re: Easter postludes From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:53:30 -0600   Hello, Paul, et al:   You wrote:   > Prelude: Dawn, by Cyril Jenkins-- after I had earlier suggested it > to someone looking for ideas. This is *very* chromatic and > probably sentimental-- a little more, even, than I had remembered-- > but as examples of the type go, perhaps above average in quality. > Alexander Schreiner did not disdain to record it in the company > of much Vierne etc. Even the title assures us that this is program > music. . . . .   It was Alexander Schreiner's rendering of this piece that caught my fancy, . . . .many, many years ago. I loved the piece.   I don't care if it is sentimental or programatic. I love pieces that speak to the deepest emotions that I can never seem to put into words very well. Richard Purvis wrote (and recorded) a duplet many years ago. If I remember correctly, it was called "Prayer and Petition," ...or something like that. It caught my attention one evening as I listened, and overwhelmed me with emotion. He had put into music what I have believed for a long time, that prayer and petition are not the same thing, necessarily. One gets through, and the other never gets beyond the ceilings of our rooms. WOW!!!   I let my recording of the work get away, and all I have left is the images of that evening alone with the music. It still sends chills through my body and is difficult to describe to others how it affected me.   I love what organist do when they reach the Mercy Seat with their playing, for it couples me with a Divine Flow that I miss in most daily experiences.   Keep up the good work.   Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Disqualifying attack and this has been going on for a long time. From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:14:07 -0600   Hello, Desiree: =20 You wrote in your letter to Felix (a very=20 interesting set of reflections, I might add): =20 > Thanks to all of you who have called me and=20 > emaile me. Your support is truly appreciated.=20 =20 Your spunk is worth it. <great big smiles> Keep up the good work. This is s long row=20 to hoe, but the few moments of pleasure that=20 it gives from time to time are worth it. =20 Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: ETHICS-was Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:49:26 EDT   In a message dated 4/10/2004 7:42:22 AM Central Daylight Time, DarrylbytheSea@aol.com writes: I was surprised to see this link to the OHS catalogue: http://www.ohscatalog.org/ohscatalog/orshowmadpla1.html   Although I've purchased a zillion cd's from OHs, I've never purchased an actual score. I'm curious who is the arranger for these simplified = arrangements and the publisher. Did I miss something? Did anyone else think twice when they saw this book? I have a few issues with it. I have never seen it-but am going to ASSUME the following = things:   1. It makes the pieces easier by leaving out the tiny details and = virtuosic sections. 2. Most people who would purchase are trained organists have probably = heard, and even "attempted" the works (in their proper form)-and are looking for = an easy way out.   Could the following be possible results?   1. Someone plays a piece in its edited form-and mentions nothing about it being edited-this means that the organist has MISLEAD his audience-and = ultimately insulted the composer and our instrument. 2. Even if the organist does mention that it was edited-the composer's = name will be remembered by the audience-not the editor. MISLEADING 3. The organist is cheating himself out of the "spiritual" connection and =   understanding made with the composer. A connection that can be attained = only through hours of diligent work 4. Could this lead to the organ being insulted and disrespected even more = by other instrumentalists? 5. Does this make the organ and its rich history look bad? 6. Is it disrespectful to the people who have worked hard to learn the = works in their proper form?   One of my teachers once told me, "God is in the details." It's true... Happy Easter. gfc               Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: ethics From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:12:30 EDT   In a message dated 4/10/2004 9:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Gfc234@aol.com writes:   > One of my teachers once told me, "God is in the details." It's true   readers digest even has a condensed Bible----as long as it says God loves = me ......   that is the only detail i need. if someone wants to play a fancy piece reduced and it is the best they can do.......we who can do the "real" = score can live with it.     go to it and get the book if need be.   dale in Florida--getting old i guess but loving my neighbor, the one that = may not have a performance degree.....    
(back) Subject: Re: ethics From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:22:30 EDT   Hello Gfc234@aol.com,     In reference to your comment: 2. Most people who would purchase this book are trained organists, have probably heard, and even "attempted" the works (in their proper form)-and = are looking for an easy way out. And then there are those who don't YET have the technical ability to play = the originals.   I remember, as a child taking piano lessons, that the "easy" arrangements piqued my curiosity about the "real thing" enough to push me to the next = level of playing.   I confess I have great difficulty convincing my feet to behave, especially =   when I'm signing alto with my choir AND playing the organ. Am I = "cheating" the congregation if I use a manuals-only arrangement of a piece?   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Re: Suite Gothique... From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:47:44 -0400   I find it most interesting that members of this list would deem a certain piece of music "unsuitable" for performance because it isn't good enough.   Are these the same people that complain of such poor attendance at organ performances ?     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!  
(back) Subject: Re: Suite Gothique... From: <Rachmaninoff45@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:19:41 EDT   To All,   I am sorry but whenever you get these pieces into a concert, you get a =   high attendance. Or thats what I always witness. People are always = looking for show pieces or even a melody that you can sing. One concert I went to, = about a third of the audience left because the music was a little of Bach and = the rest contemporary. Suite Gothique is just one of those pieces that is = just fun to hear.     Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: Suite Gothique... From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:52:13 +0800   Perhaps we should take a lesson from the past. A hundred years ago people flocked in their thousands to organ concerts often in large halls with = huge 19th Century organs by Hill, Walker and others. The programmes? Transcriptions of popular airs from many sources including opera, symphonies, musicals etc. Also played were Symphonies and other works by Guilmant, Franck, Salome, Lefebure-Wely and others, the Romantics. This = was what the public wanted to hear and they came to hear it in thousands.   I have been to organ recitals over the past 50 years; the fare? Bach, Buxtehude, Bruhns, etc. The organs? Some were what were perceived 50 years ago to be the ultimate in neo-classic organs, but were lacking in = foundation tone and with far too much upperwork.The public stayed away in large numbers. Many of the performers were snobs sneering at romantic organs and romantic organ music, promoting chiffy flutes and foundation tone lacking = in warmth and colour. The organ had "lost it". Now I am NOT sneering at Bach and the baroque literature, but you can have too much of a good thing.   Recently we have seen a change, slow but sure. Thomas Heywood playing transcriptions. Felix Hell doing likewise. New organs in halls and = churches. Is the tide turning? Maybe; but those who consider Boellmann to be bad = music need to think again. You are not doing the organ as a performance = instrument of public appeal any favours. If you wish to attract the public you must give them what they want to hear, but you can always put in something of more academic appeal too to educate them a little. Balance. I think the Suite Gothique is great music. If you don't agree don't listen but don't sneer at those who wish to play it. Easy! It is called tolerance, to sneer is snobbery.. Bob Elms     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 6:47 AM Subject: Re: Suite Gothique...     > I find it most interesting that members of this list would deem a = certain > piece of music "unsuitable" for performance because it isn't good = enough. > > Are these the same people that complain of such poor attendance at organ > performances ? > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >