PipeChat Digest #4429 - Sunday, April 11, 2004
 
RE: chicago style
  by "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net>
RE: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Blessed Easter! (X-Posted)
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
RE: Suite Gothique...
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Latin Translation
  by "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net>
Re: Latin Translation
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Suite Gothique...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: ethics
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: chicago style From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:36:51 -0500   At 04:28 PM 3/1/04 -0500, you wrote: >That brings back memories! In the 50's and 60's Geoffrey Beaumont was all >the rage in my church in London. The Rector went for his music, the >Organist did too, and of course the choirboys reckoned that he was = the <"cat's whiskers"! I think that somewhere in amongst all my old music I >might even have a copy of his Folk Mass!   I have heard the recording - an old LP that I think my folks passed on to me but is buried in storage - it's kind of a light "music hall" approach = to "folk" music - Psalm 100 calling us to praise him upon the trumpet, and = the horn takes off, Al Hirt-style! The final hymn is a new tune to "Now Thank We All Our God," which has a nice little "luftpause" in the final line where you could easily insert the sound of Lawrence Welk's = champagne-bottle cork popping out:   "with countless gifts of love, And still is [rest] ours today...."   Gotta dig that out and find something to play it on...   John Seboldt Milwaukee, WI    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:30:51 -0500   Murphy=92s law happens to the best prepared and at the most inopportune moments. Congratulations on making it through with flying colors.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OMusic@aol.com   By now it was after 9:00 and I was getting frantic.=A0 There is a turn around at the gate, but there is a large fine if you use it and we had to pay a toll.=A0 We drove the 16 miles to the next exit and back, = having to pay another toll.=A0 I arrived at the church at 9:47.=A0 People were already in the sanctuary, so I could not warm up.=A0 They always sing a hymn to open the meeting, so I played for that.=A0 But then the meeting lasted another 30 minutes, and the weather was getting colder, as was the area around the organ.=A0 My toes were getting numb and my hands cold.=A0 Finally, it was my turn to play.=A0 I think I only missed one = or two pedal notes (too many) because I could not feel my feet, and had to slow the Pachelbel Toccata in E minor a little because my hands were very cold.=A0 It was a chronological order of church music from the 14th century to the 21st.=A0 I ended with contemporary choruses with the audience singing along.=A0 For the encore I did a Douglas Wagner = Toccata.=A0 It is easy and sounds hard.=A0 By then my hands were warmed up.=A0 We = had refreshments, then went out to eat with the pianist, who was at the church all 15 years I was organist.=A0 Before we left the church, I = tried to fix one of the commodes by lifting the top and trying to fasten the spring that had come loose.=A0 Water sprayed all over me, hair, suit and all.=A0 Then we went outside and the temperature had decreased about 15 degrees.=A0 We went to the restaurant and I caught the sleeve of my suit on a cup of sour cream, which spread quickly all over the table (the sour cream).=A0 When we were leaving, sour cream was still on the = ticket, and Keith accidently wiped it on his suit.=A0=20        
(back) Subject: Re: Blessed Easter! (X-Posted) From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:49:43 +0800   I have also just returned from an Easter Sunday service for which I = played. Glorious opening, minister declaiming from the front door of the Church "Christ is Risen" and the congregation replying "He is risen indeed" followed by the unannounced introduction to "Christ the Lord is risen = today" with near full organ. Great! Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> To: <unknown@recipients.westnet.com.au> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: Blessed Easter! (X-Posted)     > He has Risen! He has risen indeed! > > We just returned from a wonderful Easter Sunrise Service at St. Paul's > Lutheran Church in Decatur, IL.    
(back) Subject: RE: Suite Gothique... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:53:17 -0500   Is Felix playing transcriptions now? Great - which ones? I haven't heard him since December. He should branch out and do some - I'd love to hear him tear loose on the Valkyries or Bald Mountain a la Peter Conte.   I don't recall more than about three posters sneering at the Suite. I thought the clear majority (perhaps a supermajority) championed the piece. Maybe I'm not getting all the posts or something. If you all keep talking about it, I will be forced to get it out and play it again. That should be enough of a threat to silence this thread alone! Think of the untold suffering you might inflict on those required to listen to me subbing the next few Sundays, doing the Suite on a machine with fake pistons. I shudder just thinking about it [evil grin, hands rubbing together].   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who just got back from two services in P'cola and a family gathering in Fort Walton Beach; up since 4:00 a.m.)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of bobelms   Recently we have seen a change, slow but sure. Thomas Heywood playing transcriptions. Felix Hell doing likewise. New organs in halls and churches. Is the tide turning? Maybe; but those who consider Boellmann to be bad music need to think again. You are not doing the organ as a performance instrument of public appeal any favours. If you wish to attract the public you must give them what they want to hear, but you can always put in something of more academic appeal too to educate them a little. Balance. I think the Suite Gothique is great music. If you don't agree don't listen but don't sneer at those who wish to play it. Easy! It is called tolerance, to sneer is snobbery..        
(back) Subject: Latin Translation From: "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:12:37 -0500   Pardon the non-pipe posting. Could someone please give me the correct English translation of this Latin text. Please reply privately.   Adoramus te. Benedicimus te, Christe. Qui tollis peccata mundi.   Thanks.   Bob Nickel          
(back) Subject: Re: Latin Translation From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:16:03 -0400   on 4/11/04 8:12 PM, Robert Nickel at rnickel@charter.net wrote:   > Pardon the non-pipe posting. Could someone please give me the correct > English translation of this Latin text. Please reply privately. > > Adoramus te. Benedicimus te, Christe. Qui tollis peccata mundi. > > Thanks. > > Bob Nickel > >   We adore Thee. We bless Thee, Christ. Who takest away the sins of the world.   I should think there would be a comma instead of a period after "Christe".     (and I know very little Latin!)     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Suite Gothique... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:29:00 -0400   I am not sneering at the Suite when I say that I think Boellmann had a wicked sense of humor and that he did not mean for either (1) the phantom-of-the-opera-esque toccata or (2) the title he gave the second movement to be taken seriously. The latter is an intentionally comic anachronism, surely. So (3) is the adjective given the entire suite. One of the meanings of the term "Gothique" in Belle-Epoque France was "barbarous, ludicrous." "C'est gothique, =E7a" would mean "That's pretty outlandish, if not absurd."   Gilles Cantagrel suggests, by the way, that the toccata's principal theme "is not without analogies to that of Franck's Piece heroique." If true, that would be yet a fourth reason for seeing the humor in the piece: Leon was making light of the esteemed Pater Seraphicus. (As Debussy did of Saint-Saens's "Mon coeur s'ouvre =E0 ta voix", Salom=E9's love song, in the Pr=E9lude =E0 l'apr=E8s-midi d'un faune.")   Not that the Pri=E8re =E0 Notre-Dame isn't divine--for it is. On the other hand, maybe he was just wallowing in sentimentality, for ironic effect.   I agree with the posters who say the Suite Gothique is perfect for popular (as opposed, I guess, to academic) recitals. It's full of delightful melodies, compact, and with contrasting movements, beginning and ending wit= h a bang. Who could ask for anything more?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu         on 4/11/04 7:53 PM, Glenda at gksjd85@direcway.com wrote:   > Is Felix playing transcriptions now? Great - which ones? I haven't > heard him since December. He should branch out and do some - I'd love > to hear him tear loose on the Valkyries or Bald Mountain a la Peter > Conte. >=20 > I don't recall more than about three posters sneering at the Suite. I > thought the clear majority (perhaps a supermajority) championed the > piece. Maybe I'm not getting all the posts or something. If you all > keep talking about it, I will be forced to get it out and play it again. > That should be enough of a threat to silence this thread alone! Think > of the untold suffering you might inflict on those required to listen to > me subbing the next few Sundays, doing the Suite on a machine with fake > pistons. I shudder just thinking about it [evil grin, hands rubbing > together]. >=20 > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > (who just got back from two services in P'cola and a family gathering in > Fort Walton Beach; up since 4:00 a.m.) >=20    
(back) Subject: Re: ethics From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:43:21 -0400   > readers digest even has a condensed Bible----as long as it says God = loves me=20 > ..... >=20 > that is the only detail i need. if someone wants to play a fancy=20 > piece reduced and it is the best they can do.......we who can do the=20 > "real" score can live with it.=20   >=20 >=20 > go to it and get the book if need be. >=20 > dale in Florida--getting old i guess but loving my neighbor, the one=20 > that may not have a performance degree.....=20     Thank you, Dale! An excellent observation. Many teaching works = use simplified versions as stepping stones to the "real thing". To = wit, Dupr=E9's 79 chorals which are simplified stepping stones to = Bach's Orgelb=FCchlein. It's an old and honorable tradition. =20   Cheers, TommyLee=20 =00  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:47:24 EDT   Thanks, Glenda. By the way, I used the original organ repertoire <grin> except for the Beethoven (Joyful, We adore Thee) with congregation = singing. Lee