PipeChat Digest #4447 - Wednesday, April 21, 2004
 
Reminder...Felix Hell Benefit Concert Sat 6/12, 7:30pm
  by <niksiz@comcast.net>
Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals
  by "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Music at Mission
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
RE: Felix Hell update
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
off topic HELP
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Super-octave  couplers --- and sub-octave, for that matter...
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Re: off topic HELP
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Super-octave  couplers --- and sub-octave, for that matter...
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: Halifax NS
  by "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net>
Re: Super-octave  couplers --- and sub-octave, for that  matter...
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Halifax NS
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Organ in seismic area - oops
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe	Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Reminder...Felix Hell Benefit Concert Sat 6/12, 7:30pm From: <niksiz@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:23:13 +0000   Just a reminder...   Felix Hell will perform a benefit recital on the 10,731 pipe Curtis Organ = at Irvine Auditorium in Philadelphia, PA on Saturday, June 12th at 7:30pm; = tickets are $15 and available now by calling 215-898-3900.   Come hear a wonderful organist play a wonderfully restored instrument! = Proceeds benefit future programs on the Curtis Organ. Tell and bring your = friends!   -- Nikola Sizgorich niksiz@comcast.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals From: "dballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:51:49 -0300   Hi, list.   In 2001, when I was in Paris, I had a honnour and a hapiness to go to Dupr=E9's house in Meudon. When I entered in your house I felt how as if was entering in a book. I saw the image, personally, the image I saw, many times, in the books, in the net. Well, I was a opportunity to play in this organ. And for that, of course, I have photos of Dupr=E9's organ. There it is the keyboard. For those that want to see, go to:   http://www.ballesteros.mus.br/dupreshouse.html   Sorry, but I am going with the pictures. ;-)   Lewwill@aol.com wrote: Dear Listers When Dupre replaced the original Cavaille-Coll console on his house organ with the present modern one, he had the manual compasses extended to 73 notes. It was one of his innovative ideas that he implemented, along with the sostenuto couplers and the pedal divide. Lew Williams     --- Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! http://antipopup.uol.com.br    
(back) Subject: Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:22:23 -0400   At 09:51 AM 2004-04-21 -0300, you wrote: >Hi, list. > >In 2001, when I was in Paris, I had a honnour and a hapiness >to go to Dupr=E9's house in Meudon. When I entered in your >house I felt how as if was entering in a book. I saw the >image, personally, the image I saw, many times, in the books, >in the net. >Well, I was a opportunity to play in this organ. And for >that, of course, I have photos of Dupr=E9's organ. There it is >the keyboard. >For those that want to see, go to: > >http://www.ballesteros.mus.br/dupreshouse.html   Hi,   That appears to be quite the house organ, and quite the music room as well.   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:39:42 -0400   I guess it must have been a portative.   -WG   >www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117683,00.html > Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ   A Sandusky, Ohio, man was rescued Wednesday after having been pinned under a pipe organ for about 10 days.   Elex Pentorn Jr.'s mail had been piling up, so apartment building workers Jack Johnson and Edward J. Ferback went to check on him, according to the Lorain Morning Journal. They found the 50-year-old man trapped underneath the 200-pound instrument, lifted it off him and called 911. http://www.nauticom.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:53:55 +0800   This could have happened here in Perth, Western Australia but for the = Grace of God, with disastrous results. In October 1967, (if I remember right it was the 14th at about 11 a.m. and it was on a Monday public holiday), Meckering, a small farming town about 90 miles east of Perth was hit by a massive earthquake, over 7 on the Richter scale. The town was completely wrecked and access cut off by a fault which rose several feet on one side. Railway lines were snapped like cotton and the only buildings left = standing were a few timber framed houses. In Perth there was some damage, a brick wall falling, stone masonry = falling onto a footpath from St Mary's Cathedral roof and such like superficial damage. However in the Central Baptist Church the entire pipe organ fell right across the choir stalls. If the quake had happened 24 hours earlier there would have been little left of the singers in the choir. If it had been Sunday also noone knows whether people would have been walking under the falling masonry at the Cathedral or, if there had not been a holiday when the quake occurred , along the footpath alongside that brick wall. The town of Meckering, incidentally, was rebuilt on the same site. The population of the south west of this state were suddenly confronted with = the realization that this state is in an earthquake zone but that hitherto all the quakes had taken place in the unihabited areas of the state.This one = was close to home. The wonder is that there was no serious injury and no loss = of life even in the houses that collapsed. Bob Elms.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ     >    
(back) Subject: Music at Mission From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:09:45 -0400   This past Sunday, April 18,2004 I had the opportunity to attend a concert played by Lee Ridgway, on the 1897 Hutchings Organ in the Basilica of Our Lady of Perpetual Help, also known as Mission Church, Boston, Massachusetts.   Where I do not feel competent enough to critique the music, I will say it was an extremely enjoyable afternoon. The program was as follows.   Prelude & Fugue in G Major Mendelssohn Sonata No. 3 for Organ Paul Hindemith Chorale No. 2 in B Minor C=E9sar Franck Prelude & Fugue in C Major, BWV 547 J.S. Bach Organbook I Ned Rorem   I was not familiar with the Hindemith or the Rorem but found them quite interesting and well played. The basilica is a wonderful building with an exceptional acoustic and the organ was in good voice also. My hat is off the Glenn Goda, Music Director at Mission Church for organizing these concerts, and of course to Lee Ridgway for playing one.   Cheers,   Mack    
(back) Subject: RE: Felix Hell update From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:39:26 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve     Stephen Best <sbest@borg.com> wrote: > A recent post to these lists suggested that Felix Hell might be too busy > playing recitals to be properly studying and expanding his repertoire.   Meanwhile this has to be judged by his instructors and not by any of us, = my concern was that Felix might work too much. But his outstanding, genuine love and enthusiasm for all what he does for and at the organ can even be noted in his records I had the inmense pleasure to listen to. How much = more it must be "in the air" in a live recital! And this spontaneity and enthusiasm gives him the necessary energy to get through all of his commitments without any negative consequences, I think.   I want to thank for these good news, not only about Felix but about the Organ Academia, which, after all, continues alive in some regions.   Soon I will post some impressions I got from Felix' records in the List. With joy I have noted that Felix will be at the OHS convention in Buffalo. = I look forward to met him and his father in person there.   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT)   Of course, the quake that hit Seattle/tacoma in 2001 was disastrous to St = Marks in Seatte The Pacific Lutheran Organ was designed by Fritts with = seizmic activity in mind. But at St Marks, had the quake gone 5 seconds = longer, the beautiful Flentrop woul dbe no more. The entire swell division = gave-way and fell into the rest of the organ during the tremors. The Disney Organ to me has such wonder because that design will of course, = have to deal with quakes. Im wondering what they did for that?         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2  
(back) Subject: off topic HELP From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:46:32 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   I need URGENTLY come into contact with Howard Maple, Matthew Belocchio (my mails to them bounce back!) or ANYBODY who will attend the AIO seminar. Please reply privately. Thanks Andres    
(back) Subject: Super-octave couplers --- and sub-octave, for that matter... From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:24:07 -0700   My understanding, and use of, super-octave couplers generally is to allow one to use solo stops in a different register in order to give more flexibility. And while this may be more critical on a modest instrument of limited resources, there are times where even on an 80-stop organ, such couplers can come in handy.   E.g., that lovely Hautbois 8' on the Swell might, in a particular [hypothetical] situation, be called upon as a 4' solo voice on the choir manual and so on.   And, yes, granted, organists are sometimes guilty of abusing the 4' couplers by adding them onto full organ registrations. I have a feeling this registration trend began in the 1920s when instruments were typically more skimpy in the upperwork, and the only way to get any sparkle into full ensembles was with super-couplers.   Once organ builders started hopping on the screechwerk bandwagon by making brighter faux-Baroque instruments, the convention of super-couplers continued in many cases ... for better or worse and usually worse. Except, of course, on tracker instruments where such couplers are so complicated and difficult to make that they're virtually unknown.   And that, I suspect, is what led builders of "electric" consoles to also leave them off. Both in deference to those who wanted to pretend they were playing tracker organs [even to the extent of devising phony "tracker-touch"], as well as the fact the organs were now -already- so screechy that adding super-couplers only served to make the screeching even more unbearable! Ever heard a 1960s Schilicker with nothing but the Principals and mixtures drawn, along with every super coupler?! Not meant to further disparage Herr Sch, it's just an example that came to mind.   Sub-octave couplers are, as TubaM. pointed out, more useful really, especially in French literature. But they're also great for adding "gravitaat" for big hymns etc. A hymn such as "God of Grace and God of Glory" in the fairly high key of Ab is glorious when starting off with Full Swell coupled to the Great at sub and unison, swells closed, then gradually opening throughout the verse. The rich "roar" of the Swell reeds and mixtures as it encroaches into the Great plenum is a stunning effect on such a hymn. Especially if you're lucky to have an organ in the English tradition with an enclosed 32-foot reed!   Personally, I feel that it's shortsighted to omit such couplers from electric consoles in light of the great amount of flexibility that they afford.   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Re: off topic HELP From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:52:14 -0500   At 11:46 AM -0400 04/21/04, Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote: >Andres Gunther >agun@telcel.net.ve > >I need URGENTLY come into contact with Howard Maple, Matthew Belocchio (my >mails to them bounce back!) or ANYBODY who will attend the AIO seminar. >Please reply privately. >Thanks >Andres   Andres   Use the address <execsec@pipeorgan.org> for=20 Howard Maple. The old address no longer works.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Super-octave couplers --- and sub-octave, for that matter... From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT)   I believe the reason sub and super couplers were left off of electric instruments came about with the initial digital instruments. At the time these were introduced, processing power to simulatenously build the waveform for 24-30 notes simply wasn't available. Even some modern outboard tone generation units are limited in their polyphonic capabilities when no sub/super coupling is occuring!   I personally had some e-org salesmen present (spin) this limitation as a "feature".   There is also the issue of lack of a true chorus and the potential to swamp the output amplifiers and speakers.   In short there were probably practical (economic) reasons to avoid sub and super couplers on electronic instruments.   -Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Halifax NS From: "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:49:15 -0400   Greetings, I don't THINK the RCCO National is in Halifax...we're preparing to have it here in LONDON ONT in July of 2005! Great lineup in the process...my boss at St Paul's, James Noakes, is in charge of programming and the committee has some very exciting events in store. Stay tuned! Cheers Angus Sinclair (almost in beautiful downtown London Ontario Canada)   ---------- > From: Arie Vandenberg <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Halifax NS > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:57 AM > > At 10:40 AM 2004-04-20 -0400, you wrote: > >The RCCO National Convention is to be held in Halifax in 2005. Let's hope > >attention is paid to the pipe organs there. I have attended three RCCO > >Conventions, Quebec City, Toronto, and Ottawa, > >greatly enjoyed them all. > >Judy Ollikkala, Worcester MA USA > > Judy, > > And what was it about these conventions you like most? The people, the > cities, the organs, the concerts? > > I was at the Quebec City convention as well as Toronto, and must say = that   > the organs and the concerts were not all that memorable. > > Being from Toronto, we here are all wishing we had more distinguished > organs in this city. We have the largest organ in Canada here, maybe = the   > second largest one as well, both are in good working order, but they are =   > not considered really great instruments. The concert hall here, Roy > Thompson Hall, has about a 100 rank organ that just is inadequate for most > anything. There are some baroque revival instruments in town, but they are > not considered as superb instruments. > > The city in Canada that has a really good collection of organs is Montreal, > everything from glorious romantic Casavants, to baroque revival, to French > Classical. And there is a real organ culture there too. > > Oh, well, maybe some day Toronto will wake up and smell the real coffee. > > Arie V. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arie Vandenberg > Classic Organbuilders > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > Tel.: 905-475-1263 > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Super-octave couplers --- and sub-octave, for that matter... From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:14:11 -0400   At 11:30 AM 2004-04-21 -0700, you wrote: >I believe the reason sub and super couplers were left off of >electric instruments came about with the initial digital >instruments. At the time these were introduced, processing >power to simulatenously build the waveform for 24-30 notes >simply wasn't available. Even some modern outboard tone >generation units are limited in their polyphonic capabilities >when no sub/super coupling is occuring! > >I personally had some e-org salesmen present (spin) this >limitation as a "feature". > >There is also the issue of lack of a true chorus and the >potential to swamp the output amplifiers and speakers. > >In short there were probably practical (economic) reasons to >avoid sub and super couplers on electronic instruments. > >-Bill   Bill,   Your are quite correct. Rank polyphony or total polyphony are important aspects of an electronic organs capabilities. Small early digital Allens only had a polyphony of 12 notes for the whole instrument. Some more modern electronic organs still only have 8 note polyphony on manual stops. In cases like this it would be absurd to have sub and super couplers, as you would run out of notes in a hurry.   It is also true that playing more notes, especially through too few audio channels can overload amplifiers and speakers.   The other problem with sub and super couplers, whether they be on pipe or electronic organs is how do you voice the organ. Do you voice the ranks with them in mind or not. Very critical, as it means quite a different approach to registering the instrument if they are there or not.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Halifax NS From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:20:08 -0400   On 4/21/04 2:49 PM, "Angus Sinclair" <angsinc@oxford.net> wrote:   > I don't THINK the RCCO National is in Halifax...we're preparing to have = it > here in LONDON ONT in July of 2005!   Oh-oh! Is it too late to get my airline tickets changed?   Alan, just joshing    
(back) Subject: RE: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:35:49 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Its builder Manuel Rosales gave a lecture about quakesafe organ building = at the AIO convention 2002 in LA. I will regret for the rest of my lifetime to not have been able to attend that convention. We have many quakes here where I live...   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   ----- Original Message ----- From: T.Desiree' Hines To: PipeChat Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ     Of course, the quake that hit Seattle/tacoma in 2001 was disastrous to St Marks in Seatte The Pacific Lutheran Organ was designed by Fritts with seizmic activity in mind. But at St Marks, had the quake gone 5 seconds longer, the beautiful Flentrop woul dbe no more. The entire swell divisio= n gave-way and fell into the rest of the organ during the tremors.   The Disney Organ to me has such wonder because that design will of course= , have to deal with quakes. Im wondering what they did for that?         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2      
(back) Subject: Organ in seismic area - oops From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:53:51 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Sorry Folks- Manuel wasn't the builder of the Disney Hall Organ in strict sense (Glatter-Goetz was)- but he is highly involved in the work.   Yours Andres      
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:46:11 -0400   On 4/21/04 3:35 PM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:   > Its builder Manuel Rosales gave a lecture about quakesafe organ building = at > the AIO convention 2002 in LA. > I will regret for the rest of my lifetime to not have been able to attend > that convention. We have many quakes here where I live...   Was it indicated that Mr. Rosales is actually a qualified person in that field? Trust me, I do not KNOW; for all I know, he may be the world's leading authority on the subject of "quakesafe organ building."   Actually, what I THINK I DID hear was that Mr. Rosales was not the builder at all, but the voicer and tonal finisher. I have nothing to say of him, positive or negative. Just hoping that you need not be so terribly overcom= e with "regret." I hope. I don't know.   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:56:29 EDT   Hello:   I am known as a sideliner who enjoys all the postings and 99% of the time =   just read and learn or say I knew that.   In regard to earthquake proof pipe organ instruments I know this one. Of = all the pipe organs located in high prone areas, the instrument in the Crystal =   Cathedral has the best chance of surviving a nasty quake.   The building is built on rubber grommets...or tires or bumpers to keep it =   simple. The building will withstand a 7.0 quake. So, the instrument will = hang in there.   I asked this question of authorities in the LA area and only the = cathedral was noted.   Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: Dupr=E9 House Organ - 73--Note Manuals From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:05:25 -0400   Miss D. Ballesteros,   Thank you for showing us the pictures of M. Dupre's house organ.   I cannot see too well, but what are the things that are on each side of the= =20 manuals? Are they more stops, or are they something to do with a midi= control?   I hope that you can tell us.   Bob Conway       At 08:51 AM 4/21/2004, you wrote: >Hi, list. > >In 2001, when I was in Paris, I had a honnour and a hapiness >to go to Dupr=E9's house in Meudon. When I entered in your >house I felt how as if was entering in a book. I saw the >image, personally, the image I saw, many times, in the books, >in the net. >Well, I was a opportunity to play in this organ. And for >that, of course, I have photos of Dupr=E9's organ. There it is >the keyboard. >For those that want to see, go to: > >http://www.ballesteros.mus.br/dupreshouse.html > >Sorry, but I am going with the pictures. ;-) > >Lewwill@aol.com wrote: >Dear Listers > >When Dupre replaced the original Cavaille-Coll console on his >house organ with the present modern one, he had the manual >compasses extended to 73 notes. It was one of his innovative >ideas that he implemented, along with the sostenuto couplers >and the pedal divide. > >Lew Williams > > > > >--- >Acabe com aquelas janelinhas que pulam na sua tela. >AntiPop-up UOL - =C9 gr=E1tis! >http://antipopup.uol.com.br > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org