PipeChat Digest #4451 - Friday, April 23, 2004
 
Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe	Organ
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4449 - 04/22/04
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Reverence in Worship
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re:  Dupr=E9 and Couplers, from Jeanne Demessieux's Diary
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
check this out
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Gaylord Carter plays again  - Live in Seattle tonight!
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Seattle concert
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: ETHICS-was Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted)
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Gaylord Carter plays again  - Live in Seattle tonight!
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
RE: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
RE: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Gainesville Organs Part 2
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Seizmic areas...was: Man Nearly Crushed by Pipe Organ From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:49:53 -0500   Basically anyone who builds an organ in the earthquake-prone regions of California has to familiarize themselves with "quakesafe organ building" since this is a strict legal requirement. For example, we at QPO had to do anti-earthquake construction on our organ at St. Margaret's, Palm Desert. Just as the organ was being completed there was a moderate tremor while some of the installation crew were inside the organ, and they said it was very interesting to watch precisely how the instrument behaved. They were a little shaken by the experience but the anti-earthquake precautions in both the building and the organ apparently did exactly what they were supposed to. I wasn't part of this installation crew so cannot tell you much more about it than this!   John Speller        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4449 - 04/22/04 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:27:48 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Chris Howerter asked who built the Japanese instrument at the Cube Concert Hall.   The company involved are Jubal Ltd, who have the following URL:-   http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~jubal/   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK (and a long way from Japan)     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash  
(back) Subject: Re: Reverence in Worship From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:06:42 EDT   In my experiences, notes in the bulletins do not really calm a talkative congregation who is glad to see their friends that they see just on = Sunday. What did work was for the announcements and Call to Worship be before the = Prelude, but then it wasn't really a "Prelude" to the service. More people listen = to the Prelude to which the organist is not aware. I get comments on the = Prelude every Sunday. They enjoy visiting to background music, and it has been a = long time custom in the Baptist church. When I played for an Episcopal church, =   they would come in and kneel until the Prelude was over. After 53 years, = it really doesn't bother me. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Dupr=E9 and Couplers, from Jeanne Demessieux's Diary From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:28:39 -0700   Listers and Lew,=20   I never had the opportunity to meet Dupr=E9 - he died when I was only 6, = and I had not yet discovered the pipe organ <G>   However, everything I have read about him tells me he was very curious = about new developments in organ technology. I am curious what his reaction would have been to things like MIDI... = wouldn't it have been great to capture some of his improvisations this way?   Dupr=E9's ideal was to make MUSIC the best way he could with stunning = technique and utilizing the tools he had at hand to their fullest... I would wish that more organists had his dedication   -Jonathan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lewwill@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Dupr=E9 and Couplers, from Jeanne Demessieux's Diary     Dear listers   In Christiane Trieu-Colleney's biography of Jeanne Demessieux, she = cites an excerpt from JD's diary relating to Dupr=E9's ideas on organ = building:   page 136, Jeanne Demessieux: Une Vie de Luttes et de Gloire. The = following is in my own translation.   July 13th, 1942 Demessieux relates: "Finished with our work, we chat = for awhile. His [Dupr=E9's] ideas on organ building have made him some = enemies.=20   Dupre: 'He who takes the first step usually gets hit on the head. I = would hope that one day I will see, in some part, the organ I dream of: = a small instrument with transposition of octaves.   Demessieux: An organ that will go further than this one? [Dupr=E9's = house organ]   Dupr=E9: Yes, for the couplers. Couplers of three octaves on the same = manual. One must have two rows of tablets, one above the other, for = each manual. If you need a complete stop, simply engage the two tablets. = I'm also considering individual swell boxes, one box for each stop. As = for the pistons, you can set them up on the setterboard.'   Demessieux: So from this point on, we're talking of orchestration at = the organ?   Dupr=E9: Indeed, that's my idea"   Any comments?       Lew Williams    
(back) Subject: check this out From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:37:59 -0500   http://www.seattlesymphony.org/pressroom/symphony/releases/release_detai l.asp?PressReleaseID=3D165   =20      
(back) Subject: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:15:05 -0400   Hi, colleagues,   I've been asked to play organ at a wedding at a U.C.C. church that is unfamiliar to me (both denominationally and specifically). The bride has decided (against her mother's wishes, the pastor's, and, I came to find out, the organist who WAS going to play the wedding until all this developed) that she simply must process to some CD recording of Etta James singing some love song. I can't imagine that the song is sacred given the way they're talking about it, but I confess ignorance of this singer or what the song actually is. I don't even know if I have the name correctly spelled.   The first organist tried to lure her to other attractive organ processionals. Her mother has tried to appeal to her sense of formality and pomp. The Pastor has stated that the song would be lovely as their first dance together at the reception, and that's where it belongs. I even hinted that I'd make an arrangement of the song for harp and play it myself (I am capable of that). She and her fiance would know what it meant, it would sound pleasantly classy to the average attendee, it wouldn't be so blatantly commercial and (my opinion) out of place. No deal. We're very close to the tantrum stage.   My question is: does anyone out there know if the U.C.C. has any kind of written worship guidelines that would apply to this situation? If you ask if the local church itself has any, the answer would be in the pastor's words "Not up 'til now, but after this, we sure will have." I think there has been a concern that the bride will upturn the entire apple cart if she is denied this, her dearest wish, and will insist that the wedding be moved out of her family's life-long church. The pastor feels the issue is not worth this amount of upheaval. I'm not so sure, but I'm the outsider. However, I'm also the new full-time director of music there. I officially start July 1, I agreed to play this June 26 wedding without fully realizing the details. Looks like a great way to begin.   Any words of wisdom?   Chuck Peery Cincinnati      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:32:31 EDT   Explain that you're having an emergency tonsillectomy that day and can't = get out of the recovery room in time to get to the church and then head off to = the hills and hide out until it's over. I've heard some weird stuff, but this takes the cake. Although I must admit I once did play Idabelle Firestone's = "If I Could Tell You" during the prelude at the mother's request (and perhaps because I had such fond memories of The Voice of Firestone in my youth = almost before the advent of TV). It actually sounded as if it were written with a lovely = EM Skinner in mind . . .    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:35:31 EDT   I once had to play with trems...Hail, Hail The Gang's All Here. It was on = an EM Skinner and the French Horn was delightful. LOL!   Craig    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:51:07 EDT   If the Pastor has agreed to allow the CD to be used, I would honor the bride's wishes, but afterwards, when you are the Minister of Music, you = and the Pastor get together and make a brochure for the brides of what is = appropriate in this church. It would get you off on a good start with the Pastor. I = believe AGO has a wedding brochure. After the hundreds of weddings for which I = have played, nothing surprises me. Some brides want all "canned" music now = and the funeral home in Chickasha decided it was cheaper to use CD's instead = of an organist. The strangest request I had for a wedding was "Take Me Out to the Ball = Game" for the recessional. I improvised a toccata on the theme with melody in = the pedals. Lee    
(back) Subject: Gaylord Carter plays again - Live in Seattle tonight! From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:59:17 EDT   An announcement in this week's "Seattle Weekly" - one of the two major = local alternative newspapers, April 21-22 edition, Page 118. Likely of interest = to theatre organ lovers everywhere. Be sure to check the last line of the = text:   FILM by Brian Miller and others as noted Category: Oddballs, Events, & Rep   SW PICK: INTOLERANCE Seattle Art Museum, 100 University St.,206-625-8900. $7 (Individual), $17-$20 (series). 7:30 p.m. Fri. April 23   Christ gets himself crucified all over again in D. W. Griffith's silent = epic, shown to begin a three-film series entitled "Can't We All Just Get Along?" =   and pegged to SAM's Only Sin Deep exhibit. / / --snip -- / / Still, = considered as at least a partial act of atonement for his racist epic The Birth of a Nation, Griffith's devotion - perhaps a bit like Mel Gibson's - is pretty = amazing. Organist Gaylord Carter provides live musical accompaniment.   Dennis James Silent Film Concerts    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:19:03 -0400   On 4/23/04 4:15 PM, "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> wrote:   > does anyone out there know if the U.C.C. has any kind of written worship > guidelines that would apply to this situation?   I don't know. But I'd doubt it pretty heavily. It would be rather uncharacteristic of the denomination. Seminary professors writing books, o= r pamphlets of guidelines, sure; quite possible. But of any weight, force, muscle, or official standing? I doubt it. And they wouldn't weigh one ounce against this spoiled brat anyway.   > If you ask if the local church itself has any, the answer would be in the > pastor's words "Not up 'til now, but after this, we sure will have."   I'd rather see him clamp down not the the dumb song, but on the Victrola rendition of ANYthing!--even Gregorian chant! (His basic stance should be, =B3We don=B9t play phonograph records in church. We worship. Yes, that includes weddings and funerals.=B2)   > I think there has been a concern that the bride will upturn the entire ap= ple > cart if she is denied this, her dearest wish, and will insist that the we= dding > be moved out of her family's life-long church.   You and she are the only ones there with any cojones. Hers far exceed thos= e of the pastor, the groom, and the parents, all put together. She's not coming back anyway (no matter what is decided), so welcome her to go to the VFW Hall for her preciously little titillation. And say a prayer for the poor puss of a Groom!   > The pastor feels the issue is not worth this amount of upheaval. I'm not= so > sure, but I'm the outsider. However, I'm also the new full-time director= of > music there. =20   Oh, holy cow! NOW you mention this!   > I officially start July 1, I agreed to play this June 26 wedding > without fully realizing the details. Looks like a great way to begin.   I really am sorry. That is a royal bitch. (I=B9m not meaning HER; I=B9m meaning the situation.) This you do not deserve! >=20 > Any words of wisdom?   I'd say, Back off totally. You didn't make this mess. It was made when Bride was two years old. And she still is. Tell pastor to make all decisions, and you=B9ll do what he says. Until July first. Beyond that date= , it's all negotiable. But you know what a limp rag HE is, so you can BE a real Director of Music in the months (and years, if you choose to stay) following. =20   Very, VERY best wishes!   Very opinionated Alan (former pastor, in the echt-Lutheran mode, whose musicians knew he'd crack the whip and they didn't have to worry about it)      
(back) Subject: Seattle concert From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:27:06 -0500   http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/classical/170234_adam23.html   =20      
(back) Subject: Re: ETHICS-was Organ showpieces made playable (x-posted) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:28:46 EDT   I like what your teacher told you that "God is in the details." Food for thought. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:39:56 -0400   On 4/23/04 4:51 PM, "OMusic@aol.com" <OMusic@aol.com> wrote:   > you and the Pastor get together and make a brochure for the brides of wha= t is > appropriate in this church.   I think Lee is right on target. And I=B9d push it one notch further. The first time a bride and groom hear that =B3our congregation=B2 has an interest i= n =B3how a wedding is done=B2 should not be at that first =B3sit-down=B2 with the pastor. Let the pastor TEACH this stuff to the kids when they are in confirmation class (or whatever). Girls of 12-15 are VERY romantic, and will listen VERY closely. (The guys will soak up nothing, but don=B9t worry about it.) =20   The bride in the present case has been a member of this church all her life= .. Who didn=B9t teach her YEARS ago about =B3The Wedding=B2?   That way, =B3the brochure=B2 will contain no surprises at ALL!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Gaylord Carter plays again - Live in Seattle tonight! From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:59:53 -0500   At 04:59 PM 4/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Organist Gaylord Carter provides live musical accompaniment. > >Dennis James >Silent Film Concerts     Hey, Dennis --   That's some neat trick, indeed!! (how come you didn't think of it first? <lol>)   Cheers :-)   Tim          
(back) Subject: RE: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:19:43 -0500   Anybody played for a same-sex wedding? It must be a piece of cake, compared to this mess. :-)   =20   ________________________________   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:40 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ   =20   On 4/23/04 4:51 PM, "OMusic@aol.com" <OMusic@aol.com> wrote:   you and the Pastor get together and make a brochure for the brides of what is appropriate in this church. =20     I think Lee is right on target. And I'd push it one notch further. The first time a bride and groom hear that "our congregation" has an interest in "how a wedding is done" should not be at that first "sit-down" with the pastor. Let the pastor TEACH this stuff to the kids when they are in confirmation class (or whatever). Girls of 12-15 are VERY romantic, and will listen VERY closely. (The guys will soak up nothing, but don't worry about it.) =20   The bride in the present case has been a member of this church all her life. Who didn't teach her YEARS ago about "The Wedding"? =20   That way, "the brochure" will contain no surprises at ALL!   Alan=20      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:05:08 -0400     The pastor's right... it's not worth this amount of angst. Let them go = with it, but make absolutely sure the whole rest of the wedding is Christ-based.   And then have a sit-down with the Pastor and begin to draw up the = guidelines for future weddings.   --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:11:04 -0700   Oh boy.   I've been a UCC organist now for the last 10 years (two different = churches) even though I'm Anglo-Catholic by tradition. And both UCC churches have = been wonderful: they like music and pay attention to it, and from my point of view their hearts are in the right place (i.e., their religious beliefs = lead them toward wanting to encourage a better society and world).   But unfortunately you can't call on specific rules for the denomination to solve this particular problem. (Other than suggesting that it really is = over the top both for the New England Congregational and German Reformed traditions that should guide the church's style.)   I'm really not sure what I'd do in this nightmare situation. If I felt = that I had agreed to do it, I'd probably go through with it, even though I = might have been blindsided. (I have certainly played my share of weddings where tasteless, inappropriate, dreadful, and even run-screaming-from-the-room things have been played, either live or on recording.) But being a good soldier in putting up with this indignity probably will give you some = added moral weight in determining, with the pastor and probably a worship committee, what guidelines ought to be established for the future. Once there is a sense that there are guidelines, you should be able to look forward to a brighter future.   Good luck!   MAF          
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:11:13 -0400   On 4/23/04 6:19 PM, "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote:   > Anybody played for a same-sex wedding? It must be a piece of cake, compa= red > to this mess. =20   I=B9d love to reply. But there will have to be a few more funerals before I can talk about that. And by THAT time, EYE=B9ll be long gone. So I guess it=B9ll remain forever untold. (But, yes, you=B9re right.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:22:31 -0400   On 4/23/04 7:11 PM, "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> wrote:   > it really is over the top both for the New England Congregational and = German > Reformed traditions that should guide the church's style.   Good point. You're right, I think. But probably lost in the mists of history, (Now I'll read the rest of your fine post.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:30:11 -0400   On 4/23/04 7:11 PM, "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> wrote:   > If I felt that I had agreed to do it, I'd probably go through with it, ev= en > though I might have been blindsided.   And Charles certainly WAS [blindsided]. I don't think there's a THING we can say in criticism of HIM. That weird non-confluence of events can happe= n to ANYbody! (Now that PASTOR=8Band I write as much more of a pastor than a musician=8Bhas NO [or very little] such defense.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:40:34 EDT   They requested Hail, Hail The Gang's All Here with trems and the EM = Skinner French Horn was wonderful!    
(back) Subject: RE: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:00:31 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Hmm... just two toughts on this:   a) Is that public performance of a CD legal? Perhaps it needs permission from ASCAP and other people. This would be a non beateable reason to deny that request. (Here in Venezuela that wouldn't work at all- we are rather sporty in that!!)   b) Of course I don't know the song. Has it any explicit or double sense lyrics? Another good reason to deny it. Hehehe. Now serious: Perhaps it is = a beautiful, inspiring ballade, therefore acceptable music?   Further, I agree with the idea that this precendent is a good reason to = set some iron guidelines in the future.   Yours Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Gainesville Organs Part 2 From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:38:15 -0500   After lunch, Bruce and I headed to a Lutheran Church (Mo Synod) to see Kinzey-Angersteing Opus #7, 1982, a 2 manual tracker organ installed in the rear gallery of an A-frame type sanctuary. Not a large instrument...perhaps 20 ranks, but very nice. Short keys, but nice action and a nice "feel" to the keys which were a dark wood. Sounds like one would expect a good Lutheran organ to sound! I enjoyed this one, and Bruce says it has always been one of his favorites.   From there, it was off to the University of Florida auditorium where Bruce had arranged for us to meet with professor Laura Ellis (I think?) and see the behemoth 5 manual, about 100 ranks organ. It started life as a Skinner, went through Aeolian-Skinner, then took its present shape as a M=F6ller in 1982. Laura gave me a sheet showing the origin of the various ranks......few of the Skinner ranks are left........a 4' triangular flute I noticed, and it is very nice indeed.   Bruce finds this instrument a bit wimpy in the reed department, but it can produce a lot of sound when need be. It was my first opportunity to play a five manual console, and I found it rather uncomfortable........just too much organ! I'm sure one would get used to it with a learning curve. The console itself has maple (?) naturals and dark wood sharps. I asked Laura to demo it for us, and she whipped through the Bach G Minor Fugue and a piece of Vierne.......I think it was a finale from a symphony. Anyhow, both pieces were a credit to her AND to the organ. Don't know that anybody has recorded on this instrument, but I would find it worthy of such.   Let's see, I think I'm up to Organ #5........a 17 rank Wicks (three manual, IIRC) at University Methodist. Had just a quick look here, but it sounded quite nice......rear gallery installation. Console had an Austin flavor to my thinking--rows of stop tabs on the jambs. This building is being replaced in the next year or so, so the fate of this organ may be up for grabs. Wish we'd had a bit more time here; unlike some, I am rather fond of the Wicks instruments I've played (and owned!).   Organ #6 was a lovely 2 manual 1982 M=F6ller at Holy Faith Catholic Church. Alas, I understand, due to the tastes of the current priest, that it is not being used at all. Installed at a front corner of a rather square building behind the altar, it has a lovely, sweet tone, which would seem perfect for Catholic liturgy and singing. Bruce tells me that Bozeman softened it considerably a few years back, as well as replacing the 8' principal with a slightly beefier one from Pinchi. The original was identical in scale to the 4' Octave.   And, finally, #7, a really nifty two manual and pedal William Johnson & Sons tracker installed at Westwood Presbyterian Church. Lovely sanctuary, almost new, not too big, and the Johnson from I don't know where, installed at the side. I really LIKED this organ! Tracker touch was a bit heavy--kind of like a grand piano, but not burdensome, and the sounds were to die for. There was an 8' Melodia that was clear and singing and a variety of other stops, including a two or three rank mixture added to the instrument; it really isn't necessary, and Bruce says it makes tuning of some portions of the organ virtually impossible. This is one of those instruments that delights with a palette of pleasing sounds.........I could play it all day. Those who insist that a liturgical instrument must be large to work have apparently not played gems like this one.   My favorites of the day were the Baptist Casavant and the Johnson tracker. My thanks to Bruce Cornely for hosting me and making this possible.   Dennis Steckley   Ain't No Tagline Here!