PipeChat Digest #4456 - Monday, April 26, 2004
 
Re: NAVY CHAPEL, WASHINGTON DC (info)
  by <Seedlac@aol.com>
A few organs in the Ozark foothills and Delta plains
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Creston question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Creston question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Navy Chapel
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Felix Hell Takes Milwaukee! (X-Posted)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Felix Hell. Recital May 2 in Staten Island. CANCELLATION
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
CDs $1.99 & $2.99
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: Creston question
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Creston question
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding: United Church of Christ
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
A Victorian Afternoon
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Genuine sacrifice of praise
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: A few organs in the Ozark foothills and Delta plains
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: NAVY CHAPEL, WASHINGTON DC (info) From: <Seedlac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 05:45:54 EDT   I am getting in the middle of this thread, but as I have serviced this = organ and was recently there to survey its removal I will add my 2 cents. The Mt. Vernon Seminary was a girls finishing school for the elite girls = of Washington. The Chapel is a good size colonial built in the early 20s. The =   proportions are quite convincing and the acoustics good. At the start of = W.W.II the Navy landed on the doorstep of the school and ordered the school to = vacate. More recently the Navy had decided to shut the place down. That taking a = few years, 9-11 hit and the new department of "Homeland Security" has taken = over. The chapel is to be used as a lecture room. The Nay congregation is very = active and will be relocated to new quarters by the Homeland Security dept. The organ will go with them. The organ is divided into two matching cases. From the construction they = must have been built by a local contractor and are rather clumsy looking As for the organ. This is a case where the saying "all diamonds are not of =   gem quality"can be applied The Swell is the best and only complete = department. Having all the usual Skinner stops. It lives in the left case. Squeezed in = the right case is the 2 stop Great (Dia/Oct), a small Choir and two pedal = stops. As the Great is duplexed from the swell, the choir has only echo stops. = The two pedal ranks are packed in so tight there is no way to tune any of it. The tiny Great sits in front of the choir. An access door allows one to = look at it and use a flag pole to tune, but the inclusion of about 5 or 6 = little offset chests hanging the air prevent all but a child to enter. These chestlettes hold the treble of the Pedal Bourdon that play as the 8 Flute = in the Great. All original. A fair tone can be made from the beast, but only in the right hands. Steve Baltimore    
(back) Subject: A few organs in the Ozark foothills and Delta plains From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:38:23 -0400   I am delighted to read Glenda's submissions regarding Cowan and her adventures in my hometown. I know the Christ Church organ somewhat, and the Pulaski Heights organ well having played it several times (an aunt is a member of the church), as well as the Schantz preceeding it. I am curious to know Glenda's opinion of the acoustics at Christ Church; I felt like there was almost too much acoustics. What do you think, Glenda?   David Baker  
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:09:13 -0500   We have run in to this same problem - not this piece, but of wedding and funerals wanting to use pre-recorded CDs, usually in place of a soloist. I recall Charlotte Church singing for one wedding in absentia. Fortunately, it has been rare at this point, but we are planning to put a definite policy in place.   In order to avoid being negative and saying flatly "NO, you can't use recorded music". I have suggested pointing out, in writing, the copyright issue. If the CD was not recorded specifically as an accompaniment CD, then its purchase does not include public performance rights. In the same way that our choir director writes to the publisher when we want to make copies of out-of-print anthems, and then files the permission letter in the anthem box - we would simply state that the bride must provide a copy of a permission letter for public broadcast from the company which made the CD and proof of payment or waiver of royalties to the performer(s) from ASCAP - which would be kept with her wedding contract. Assuming first that the music they have requested is appropriate for a worship service, this puts the burden on the bride to secure permission so that her wedding does not violate the copyright on the CD - rather than making the church the "heavy". I suspect a) no CD company will give permission, and b) no bride will go to the trouble to ask - they will decide it is easier to just use human beings.   Margo       Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote: > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > Hmm... just two toughts on this: > > a) Is that public performance of a CD legal? Perhaps it needs permission > from ASCAP and other people. This would be a non beateable reason to = deny > that request. (Here in Venezuela that wouldn't work at all- we are = rather > sporty in that!!) > > b) Of course I don't know the song. Has it any explicit or double sense > lyrics? Another good reason to deny it. Hehehe. Now serious: Perhaps it = is a > beautiful, inspiring ballade, therefore acceptable music? > > Further, I agree with the idea that this precendent is a good reason to = set > some iron guidelines in the future. > > Yours > Andres > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > First was the cat, then was the Orgler. > The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: Creston question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:57:22 -0400   On 4/25/04 10:31 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Thanks so much for your information. I will check into it as soon as > possible! > =20 > Richard Hazelip >=20 >=20 > Richard I thought of yet another lead. >=20 > In the period of time you=B9re talking about, when Biff Butler was servicin= g > Manhattan organs, the organist at St. Luke=B9s (my place) was Steve Lawson.= St. > Luke=B9s and St. Malachy=B9s (three short blocks apart) were in cordial > relationship (and still are), and did a largely musical event together on= ce a > year. So Steve would know/have known the organists at St. Malachy=B9s. Su= rely > knew the Kilgen; may have known its caretaker. >=20 > Steve is now second organist at Church of the Heavenly Rest, Fifth Ave., > Manhattan. He also works for AGO up on Riverside Drive. Through either > institution, you should be able to find him. He may know the guy, or kno= w who > does. (I think prime clergy at St. Malachy=B9s have done a total turnover = in > the past four years, so probably no help there.) >=20 > If my eyes were better I=B9d check the ads in Diapason etc., for that New J= ersey > maintenance group; give it a try. Petronio? That=B9s not it, but somethin= g > like that. >=20 > Alan >=20 >=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Creston question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:00:37 -0400   On 4/25/04 10:37 PM, "RonSeverin@aol.com" <RonSeverin@aol.com> wrote:   > IIRC Alan might have ment the Paragallo firm in NJ.   That=B9s exactly the name. Go for it! (I=B9d say quite likely they ARE the firm you=B9re looking for.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Navy Chapel From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:03:51 -0400   On 4/26/04 1:15 AM, "Myosotis51@aol.com" <Myosotis51@aol.com> wrote:   > The Mount Vernon Seminary was an elite woman's college.   Oh, THAT kind of a seminary! (My grandmother went to one such, in, of all places, St. Ansgar, Iowa. Glass of 1900.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell Takes Milwaukee! (X-Posted) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:19:07 -0400   On 4/26/04 1:33 AM, "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> wrote:   > Felix Hell Made his first appearance in Wisconsin this afternoon > (4/25/04) at Kenwood United Methodist Church,   Larry Wheelock: That is a fabulous review. Felt like I'd been there. Thank you very much!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:35:30 -0400   On 4/26/04 9:09 AM, "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote:   > In order to avoid being negative and saying flatly "NO, you can't use rec= orded > music". I have suggested pointing out, in writing, the copyright issue.   Margo: I guess any congregation can make its own decision. And if they elect to use CDs, etc., it=B9s none of my business. They can even =B3be the =8Cheavy=B9=B2 if they want.   On the other hand, if they choose NOT to use recorded music in worship of any kind, I can=B9t think why they should be shy about saying so. There are perfectly sound theological/liturgical reasons NOT to do it, and the strong stance of thousands of congregations (and even denominations) that make tha= t choice should not for a moment have to apologize for it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Felix Hell. Recital May 2 in Staten Island. CANCELLATION From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 17:53:33 +0200     Dear listmembers,   as you all know, each organ recital, independent from the specific program and instrument, needs to be properly prepared. Due to very busy schedules of both, St. Teresa's Church as well as Felix, a satisfactory practice schedule, which is essential for a diligant preparation of any recital, could not be worked out with the church. Therefore, according to a mutual agreement with the church, the recital, scheduled for May 2, 2004, 3 pm, at St. Teresa's Church, Staten Island, NY, has been cancelled. The recital may take place at a later date, when a less challenging rehearsal schedule can be offered.   Hans-Friedrich Hell              
(back) Subject: CDs $1.99 & $2.99 From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:22:19 -0400   A collection of "web special" CDs for $1.99 and $2.99 from labels like Pro Organo and Raven are featured on the opening page of the OHS Catalog http://www.ohscatalog.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Creston question From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:34:10 -0700   >On 4/25/04 10:31 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Thanks so much for your information. I will check into it as soon >as possible! > >Richard Hazelip > > >Richard I thought of yet another lead. > >In the period of time you're talking about, when Biff Butler was >servicing Manhattan organs, the organist at St. Luke's (my place) >was Steve Lawson. St. Luke's and St. Malachy's (three short blocks >apart) were in cordial relationship (and still are), and did a >largely musical event together once a year. So Steve would >know/have known the organists at St. Malachy's. Surely knew the >Kilgen; may have known its caretaker. > >Steve is now second organist at Church of the Heavenly Rest, Fifth >Ave., Manhattan. He also works for AGO up on Riverside Drive. > Through either institution, you should be able to find him. He may >know the guy, or know who does. (I think prime clergy at St. >Malachy's have done a total turnover in the past four years, so >probably no help there.) > >If my eyes were better I'd check the ads in Diapason etc., for that >New Jersey maintenance group; give it a try. Petronio? That's not >it, but something like that. > >Alan   Paragallo Organs, Paterson, NJ  
(back) Subject: Re: Creston question From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:09:45 -0400   On 4/26/04 3:34 PM, "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> wrote:   >> Paragallo Organs, Paterson, NJ   Well, I got the first letter and the last one, at least! (Thanks, John; that=B9s the one, of course.) (They also service the organ at St. Teresa=B9s o= n Staten Island, mentioned by Hans-Friedrich a few minutes ago.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding: United Church of Christ From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:38:35 -0500   True - but putting it on copyright covers all eventualities, including non-member weddings who might not have the same theological/liturgical stance. And covers when the music they want to play is the same music that would be perfectly acceptable in live performance. I think the music selection itself is a different issue from using recorded music rather than live. I would think that CD players themselves are theologically neutral, and the issue of using them is two-fold: a) it is aesthetically unpleasing to those of us who know what music should sound like (and whose job it is to provide and educate those who don't know); b) it is just another avenue to remove income from church musicians. The first is a pearls before swine issue - if they don't know the difference, it is hard to convince them. The second is an argument no one cares about but us, unfortunately. But copyright and the fines that go along with infringement - that is something everyone understands.   Margo   Alan Freed wrote: > > There are perfectly sound theological/liturgical reasons NOT to do it, > and the strong stance of thousands of congregations (and even > denominations) that make that choice should not for a moment have to > apologize for it. > > Alan     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: A Victorian Afternoon From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:41:08 -0500   I had a very successful concert yesterday at St. Andrew's Anglican=20 Church in Winnipeg, Canada. All in aid of our organ fund - this is the=20=   second in a series of concerts to help replace our aging Allen. As=20 usual, the program was interlaced with a humorous commentary on the=20 historical period, the composers and the pieces themselves. We had a=20 full house, raised a goodly sum and, most importantly, had an absolute=20=   blast for just under two hours on a lovely spring afternoon.   This in spite of a dreadful two weeks leading up to the concert. Our=20 console setup is a Kurzweil PC-88mx atop an Allen 301, a very versatile=20=   setup with which we are well pleased. Two weeks before concert date,=20 the Kurzweil failed! First trouble in 6 years, the power supply was=20 cycling on and off intermittently. With only a day to spare before the=20=   dress rehearsal, after one abortive repair, we got it back, good as=20 new! Then, an hour before the dress, the Allen had a catastrophic=20 failure - the first service problem we've had in 25 years! Not dead,=20 just producing weird 32' pitch moaning from every stop! Not terribly=20 useful. Late the next afternoon (concert date minus two!), my Allen=20 dealer arrived with his magic service kit containing spares for all of=20=   my circuit boards. He quickly narrowed the problem to my main MOS=20 board, inserted his service board - no improvement! On a whim, he tried=20=   an alternate MOS board (301's came in two specs back then - sort of=20 baroque and romantic - so both boards are in the service kit). It=20 worked fine! But... some of the stops are radically different (e.g. a=20 reed becomes a flute, etc.), some are in different and distinctly odd=20 locations on the stopboard, and all have different relationships to the=20=   other stops than I am used to! Frantic practice all of the next day to=20=   try and alter my registrations and my automatic memory of stop=20 locations, etc. (Concert organists, I suppose, are used to adapting=20 quickly to this kind of change - I, unfortunately, am not). Major=20 stress. But in the event, all went well. I've never used the organ for=20=   G&S before, but coupled to the orchestral effects available from the=20 Kurzweil, it was remarkably effective.   Russ Greene =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   A Victorian Afternoon with Russ Greene - Organ The St. Andrew's Choristers - directed by Russ Greene The Gilbert & Sullivan Singers - directed by Marilyn Mensforth   While audience enters: A Virtual Appearance of Edwin Lemare, renowned Victorian = concert=20 organist! I used two of Lemare's organ roll recordings along with = some=20 historical background on the Victorian Age - empire, wealth,=20=   technology.   PC=96deficient Sullivan (combined choirs):=09 Dominion Hymn Safe Home The Son of God goes forth to war   Pirates of Penzance (G&S Singers)=09 Climbing over rocky mountain For he is an orphan boy A policeman's lot is not an 'appy one   John Stainer=92s "The Crucifixion" (St.A.Choristers) God So Loved the World   Yeomen of the Guard (G&S Singers)=09 Tower warders Pretty warders are we I have a song to sing... oh   Sullivan=92s Misses (St.A.Choristers) Nearer My God To Thee I've Found a Friend Rock of Ages, Cleft for Me Crown him with many crowns   The Gondoliers (G&S Singers)=09 The Duke of Plaza-Toro No possible doubt whatever Once more gondoliers   The Victorian Organ (Russ Greene) Grand Choeur - William Faulkes   Trial By Jury (G&S Singers)=09 Hark the hour of ten is sounding All hail great judge O gentlemen listen I pray   Sullivan=92s Hits (7th Inning Stretch for Combined Choirs & Audience) O God the ruler Come ye faithful It Came Upon The Midnight Clear To Thee O Lord Our Hearts We Raise Onward Christian Soldiers   The Mikado (G&S Singers)=09 If you want to know who we are Three little maids   John Stainer=92s "The Crucifixion" (St.A.Choristers) The Appeal of the Crucified   Iolanthe (G&S Singers)=09 Iolanthe! =46rom thy dark exile Loudly let the trumpet bray When Britain really ruled the waves   A Victorian Pop Song (Russ Greene) The Lost Chord - Sir Arthur Sullivan   H.M.S. Pinafore (G&S Singers)=09 When I was a lad A many years ago O Joy, O Rapture Unforeseen   Patriotic Sing-a-Long (Combined Choirs & Audience) Land of Hope and Glory Jerusalem Rule Britannia    
(back) Subject: Genuine sacrifice of praise From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:06:28 -0400   On 4/26/04 2:38 PM, "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> wrote:   > True - but putting it on copyright covers all eventualities, including > non-member weddings who might not have the same theological/liturgical st= ance.   I'll go with you on that.   > And covers when the music they want to play is the same music that would = be > perfectly acceptable in live performance. I think the music selection it= self > is a different issue from using recorded music rather than live.   > I would think that CD players themselves are theologically neutral,   Well, the player is neutral, of course. A well-equipped parish might have = a fine sound system, record its services for broadcast for for shut-ins, etc.   > and the issue of using them is two-fold: a) it is aesthetically unpleasin= g to > those of us who know what music should sound like (and whose job it is to > provide and educate those who don't know);   OK. =20   > b) it is just another avenue to remove income from church musicians.   OK, so we're agreeing on esthetics and economics.   > The first is a pearls before swine issue - if they don't know the differe= nce, > it is hard to convince them.   Yes. But without going so far as to make a crusade out of it, I'd think that we'd want to at least gently ENCOURAGE people to "know the difference.= "   > The second is an argument no one cares about but us, unfortunately. But > copyright and the fines that go along with infringement - that is somethi= ng > everyone understands.   Yes. But other than acknowledging the alleged existence of a "perhaps" theological argument, I think you've let it slip by. So, yes, the CD deck is theologically neutral, but is the use of it in worship theologically neutral? I'm thinking that most Christians (maybe others?) regard worship as, in SOME sense, a sacrifice of praise.   (Not to come off as a biblicist here, but:)   Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.   Jer. 33:11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house o= f the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.   Now maybe the folks over at St. George's genuinely believe that turning on = a record player is a "sacrifice of praise." OK; no criticism; it=B9s their church. (Well, maybe they should think about it a little bit.)   I've been pastor of several small rural congregations with no choir at all. (One had a Hammond spinet; another a a reed organ with pump pedals). I could have brought my phonograph and a few LPs of one of our best church college choirs, and we could have enjoyed FABULOUS music. But would that b= e "worship"? Would there be anything "genuine" in that "sacrifice"?   I just can't see it that way.   I think the only thing we can sacrifice is something that is ours in the first place (or at least something of which we have stewardship).   End theological argument.   Alan, who loves the choir of men and boys at St. Thomas=B9--but couldn=B9t play their CDs in OUR worship service    
(back) Subject: Re: A few organs in the Ozark foothills and Delta plains From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:49:39 -0500   At 07:59 PM 4/25/2004 -0500, Glenda reports: >The place was filled with interesting and friendly people, all of whom >apparently knew where Scott Street was.     <rolling on the floor laughing>   I'm one of those "interesting and friendly" people (well, I hope I was friendly, at least...! ;-) ) and again, Glenda -- I'm so sorry for your tribulations while visiting our fair City, but I'm so happy you were able to be here despite it all. And, for the record, I particularly enjoyed your Chuckerbutty!! Please come back and play it again for me sometime!! (Travis, you're also quite welcome to come back and improvise on "Danny Boy" for as long as you'd care to.....!! :-) )   Fondly,   Tim Bovard Little Rock who is NOT laughing AT Glenda, by the way...but rather at the ridiculous irony of the fact that I once lived on Scott Street, and still cannot believe that nobody at that hotel knew where it was. It's literally a matter of *blocks* away, folks!