PipeChat Digest #4469 - Friday, April 30, 2004
 
Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Great Trumpet vs. Swell Trumpet...sebastian
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great?
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
By the way...cornopeans
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: OHS (was Where Cameron is playing)
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
RE: By the way...cornopeans
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Great Trumpet vs. Swell Trumpet...sebastian
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
OHS feat
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: OHS feat
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: OHS feat
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tlevans95@charter.net>
Re: OHS feat
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: OHS feat
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Stuff in Chicago, maybe for 06
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: OHS feat
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: OHS feat
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
The Organs at Pacific Lutheran for Alan
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
electronic substitutes (kinda long)
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long)
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
St Jane De Chantal had the same problem we have
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great?
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:18:41 -0500   The traditional English Swell sound comprises 16', 8' and 4' trumpets = with a mixture. Having said that, however, there are all kinds of = variations so far as the scaling and treatment of the reeds is = concerned. The famous Willis Swell at St. Paul's Cathedral has a 16' = Contra Posaune, 8' Cornopean and 4' Clarion (besides an 8' Hautboy and = Vox Humana). The Cornopean is a pretty massive stop which tends to = dominate the others. In most cases the 16' reed will be a little = lighter and perhaps a little brighter than the 8', and the 4' will be a = little softer and darker. While a 16'-8'-4' unit trumpet is better = than nothing, it is not possible to obtain the proper balance between = stops and all the desirable nuances of timbre unless all the reeds are = independent.   John Speller=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Will Light=20 To: 'PipeChat'=20 Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Trumpet on Swell or Great?     But the English full Swell is created, in England at least, more = usually by a Cornopean or an Oboe or both in the Swell. English organs = more usually seem to have a Trumpet stop on the Great. Check out the = NPOR for evidence!        
(back) Subject: Re: Great Trumpet vs. Swell Trumpet...sebastian From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT)   Well when I was studying at PLU i was suprised when I first got at the = organ that the manuals wer ein French romantic position (great on bottom). No...the French repertoire is not hard to play at all on the = great-in-the-middle organs (shal i dare say 90% of organs built) There are just a few pieces where manual changes are slightly simplified = in this placement.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great? From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:22:20 -0700 (PDT)   Interestingly, the Kimball at First Baptist Congo here has 16 Contre = Posaune, 16 Con. Fagotto, 8 Cornopean, and 4 Clarion (There is also an = Oboe at 8 and an Oboe octave at 4, as well as a vox at 8) There Great has = 16, 8,8,4 long reeds. The choir however, on that organ, is so etherial, = and it has a clarinette and I think an oboe.All aside, with that organ = being one of the loudest ( apleasing loud) thats all it has on the manuals = except the big beautiful tubas on the solo.But we are talkin about chorus = reeds here.     "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote: @font-face { font-family: Tahoma;}@page Section1 {size: 21.0cm 842.0pt; = margin: 72.0pt 89.85pt 72.0pt 89.85pt; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; = MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal = { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New = Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: = underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: = underline}A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: = underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: = underline}P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; = FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial}DIV.Section1 { page: Section1}The traditional English = Swell sound comprises 16', 8' and 4' trumpets with a mixture. Having = said that, however, there are all kinds of variations so far as the = scaling and treatment of the reeds is concerned. The famous Willis Swell at St. Paul's Cathedral has a 16' Contra Posaune, 8' Cornopean and = 4' Clarion (besides an 8' Hautboy and Vox Humana). The Cornopean is a = pretty massive stop which tends to dominate the others. In most cases the = 16' reed will be a little lighter and perhaps a little brighter than the = 8', and the 4' will be a little softer and darker. While a 16'-8'-4' = unit trumpet is better than nothing, it is not possible to obtain the = proper balance between stops and all the desirable nuances of timbre = unless all the reeds are independent. John Speller ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Light To: 'PipeChat' Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: RE: Trumpet on Swell or Great?       But the English full Swell is created, in England at least, more usually = by a Cornopean or an Oboe or both in the Swell. English organs more = usually seem to have a Trumpet stop on the Great. Check out the NPOR for = evidence!         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: By the way...cornopeans From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:27:22 -0700 (PDT)   OK...when I first got interested and awed by the organ, all I was able to = do was read lots about the instrument. I remember reading and listening = and listening and reading...and saw old stoplists in the Diapason as well = as The American Organist and som eother books. The swells seemed to = proudly boast Cornopeans at 8'. Why do you rarely see that in the stoplists in todays American Organist = headliners. I may be missing something. I see it every now and then...but = not enough, to me.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: RE: OHS (was Where Cameron is playing) From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:39:01 -0500   The Chicago-Midwest Chapter officers are:   President Bob Woodworth Secretary Derek Nickels Treasurer George Horwath   Dues are $15 annually.   I don't see Jerry Butera's name in the current directory.   michael   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Gfc234@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:17 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: OHS (was Where Cameron is playing)     Hi Bob Lind,   I think Stephen Schnurr and Jerome Butera would be good people to talk = to. I am a member of the OHS, and actually got a post card for the C. = Carpenter recital. Good luck-and if you find that there have been local chapter events that we've been missing out on, let me know! Thanks, gfc                         Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: RE: By the way...cornopeans From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:43:01 -0400   We have an 8' Cornopean in the Antiphonal Division. It's a wonderful stop but rarely in tune due to its proximity to the main entrance to the Cathedral. All the stops in that division were taken from the best of = the 1915 Austin which was being replaced by another Austin in 1965. Mari St Peter's Cathedral in St Pete   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:27 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: By the way...cornopeans     OK...when I first got interested and awed by the organ, all I was able = to do was read lots about the instrument. I remember reading and listening = and listening and reading...and saw old stoplists in the Diapason as well as = The American Organist and som eother books. The swells seemed to proudly boast Cornopeans at 8'.   Why do you rarely see that in the stoplists in todays American Organist headliners. I may be missing something. I see it every now and then...but not enough, to me.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - -- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs    
(back) Subject: Re: Great Trumpet vs. Swell Trumpet...sebastian From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:52:52 -0400   On 4/30/04 7:04 PM, "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > when I first got at the organ [at PLU] that the manuals wer ein French > romantic position (great on bottom).   Wait a sec; which instrument are you talking abut? I recall the Choir on the bottom; I played it there for both Biggs and Fox; and THEY did for US. But I=B9m talking about the III/44 Casavant; I=B9m probably (a whole bunch) out of date. AND on a different beast.   Alan    
(back) Subject: OHS feat From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:57:51 -0700 (PDT)   OK...Is Stephen Schnurr still trying to find a home for the Medinah Temple = Austin? Thats a lovely instrument from What archived pictures and lists I have = seen. And was the only 5 manual Austin built that was originally built to = be 5 manuals. Now, the Kostchmar organ does have a 5 manual console from = its reworing a few years ago, but was not originally a 5 manual organ. Now, Nordstrom is on north Michigan ave where the Temple was. I love to = shop there. BUT...every time I go to Marshall Fields on State street in = Chicago (mind you which is a block from Chicago Methodist Temple with its = 4 man Wicks (which was a Skinner, right?), I just see Marshall Fields on = State Street crying out for the Medinah Organ, in a set up like Lord and = Taylor/Wanamakers in Philly. Or even better yet, Union Station Amtrack = Depot has space. wats'up with the Medinah organ?     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:04:56 EDT   In a message dated 4/30/2004 6:58:14 PM Central Daylight Time, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes: OK...Is Stephen Schnurr still trying to find a home for the Medinah Temple =   Austin? Thats a lovely instrument from What archived pictures and lists I have = seen. And was the only 5 manual Austin built that was originally built to be 5 manuals. Now, the Kostchmar organ does have a 5 manual console from its = reworing a few years ago, but was not originally a 5 manual organ.   Now, Nordstrom is on north Michigan ave where the Temple was. I love to = shop there. BUT...every time I go to Marshall Fields on State street in Chicago =   (mind you which is a block from Chicago Methodist Temple with its 4 man = Wicks (which was a Skinner, right?), I just see Marshall Fields on State Street = crying out for the Medinah Organ, in a set up like Lord and Taylor/Wanamakers in Philly. Or even better yet, Union Station Amtrack Depot has space.   wats'up with the Medinah organ?     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html That's the right idea. For a long time I have thought that Chicago needs = a large municipal organ. There are a few places where it would be stunning: = Stanley Field Hall, the Field Museum, The Museum of Science and Industry = (I have even emailed them about that....the organ is Science and Industry!!!)-of course I never got a reply. gfc                   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: "Travis L. Evans" <tlevans95@charter.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 19:13:05 -0500   When I flew up to chicago for lunch New Years Day and we walked by, I = recall that Bloomingdales put their store in the temple, and has the = address of 600 N. Wabash.=20       Now, Nordstrom is on north Michigan ave where the Temple was.  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:16:25 -0400   On 4/30/04 7:57 PM, "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Chicago Methodist Temple with its 4 man Wicks (which was a Skinner, right= ?), I   I=B9=B9m curious about that too, and would welcome a bit of information.   I last saw SOMEthing there in 1955. (Can=B9t beLIEVE how time goes by.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:19:56 -0700 (PDT)   Ok maybe it was where Bloomies is now. I thought Bloomies was in 900 n = Michigan. Heck I live right around the corner abotu 10 minutes, so I will = go see. What was the adress of Medinah? So many places there...They coulda = justleft the organ there, as it woudl have gotten great publicity. 4th = Presbyterian has an open door church and there are people going thru there = everyday to see the building and they notice the organ, and often, hear it = playin as John is practicing.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Stuff in Chicago, maybe for 06 From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT)   I think that Methodist Temple is a Skinner rebuilt and enlarged by Wicks. = With pleasant results! I enjoy hearing that organ a lot. very nice and = round. Check the website www.chicagotemple.org     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:27:28 -0400   On 4/30/04 8:19 PM, "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > 4th Presbyterian has an open door church and there are people going thru = there > everyday to see the building and they notice the organ, and often, hear i= t > playin as John is practicing.   =B3John=B2 (Scherer) is a good friend of mine. Used to be our organist. Oh, six or eight years ago. Feel free to say =B3hi=B2 from Alan Freed.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS feat From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT)   John's a big sweetheart! a good player too. He really enjoys it at 4th = Church. That is probably the most inclusive, racially diverse, and = socially outreaching wealthy church in Chicago. Very warm people, great = services, and of course, wonderful music. They won't allow the organ to be = moved however. When they were doing it, I have heard that they were = talking about placing it better, on the Axis of the church, of course. = BUT...I hear that there is something in the church books that mandate that = the organ can NOT be placed anywhere else. It drops off about 30 pews into = the room...and thats a very big room by the way. its so great in size that = you cant hear the festival trumpets from the console if you are using an a = full registration at the main organ. You have tou have somtehing on at the = main organ so you can hear that you are playing the notes...get my drift? = If you are just playing the antiphonal, you hear fine. takes about 4 = seonds for the music to travel to the front. I have also heard that the biggest of 32 geigen's FELL one time. Is that = true?       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: The Organs at Pacific Lutheran for Alan From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:53:20 -0700 (PDT)   Alan...the Cassavant is your traditional American Classical design...47 = ranks, we called it Big Butch when i was there. They are renovating that = auditorium but nothing is goign to be dont to the organ...just keeping up = the work on it. Its hard being an organ major at that school because of = practice time on instruments. There are 6 instruments on the campus, and = the Fritts is available only for lessons and for each student to get about = 3 hours a week on it. The campus is so secure since Jim's death that you = go thru blows and stretches to get keys anywhere. The building for the = Cassavant is mostly property for the theatre department, so since the = console is buried half the time under staging for dramas, you can't realy = get in there until Commencement and Christmas stuff. So we had a practice = tracker in the music building (which was my home practically, and my = favorite practice instrument) there is also an organ in the Tower = Chapel...which takes about 90 steps to get to...and you'd need a nap before practicing, the two at the churhc across the street as well. = The old Kilgen is great for building stamina. The Fritts has the great on the bottom, and everything couples "down" to = it. It just made more sense when playing Widors Toccata at the end with = the cross over and the marking "PR" for positif-recit to do that on the = organ...because you had the swell and positif coupled, and did not have to = stay on the great and cross over to the swell as we do on organs that lask = a great-choir transfer. Ah well...thats the tiny bit of purist in me.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: electronic substitutes (kinda long) From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:04:01 -0700 (PDT)   I know it's a free country and one can say pretty much what is on one's = mind. Here is what's on my mind: I play what some would consider a = "toaster" - - a Rodgers two-manual instrument from the mid-70s with fixed = combination action, no crescendo pedal, and no general cancel. It has its = limitations, but I find ways to make the instrument sound its best, and = the church lets me know occasionally that they appreciate my efforts. The = pastor thanks me in my paycheck. Due to whatever circumstances occur, I have been "privileged" to play only = two pipe organs on a regular basis (old Wicks in a Baptist Church, old = shelf-model Moller in a historic county seat Methodist Church). In the = Wicks situation, they moved to another building and suggested I let them = cut my pay significantly in the interim during which there would be no = organ. After I left, word got back to me that I was let go because I was = greedy. In the Moller situation, the organ had at the most 5 real ranks = with about 20 unified voices. It was not an inspiring instrument to play. In all the years I have played since then, I will take a "toaster" with a = wide selection of sound choices and a decent amplification system over = tired old unified instruments with bland voicing, little discernable pipe = speech, very few real registrational choices, and church committees with = no vision for the future. I am grateful to have access to full-time church employment. If I waited = around for full time positions to come open with "organs" to play I would = have to take my family to the streets because this is the only career that = offers me the kind of satisfaction that atones for the stuff that is = sometimes dumped on a church musician. For what it's worth from the heart of the shi--- I mean, ship channel = area of Houston. Richard Hazelip    
(back) Subject: Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:31:29 -0700 (PDT)   Well said! And for me and my church...I know what im doing! We are going to work = towards a digital instrument, with later pipe augmentation. 1. The room is very wide and long yet shallow. The only space for pipes is = in the rear gallery. If we had about 30 more feet of height we'd be = perfect. 2. The Archbishop of Chicago is whip craking at churhes to move the choir = and organ to the floor level with the people. 3. There church's archetchitecture will not support a pipe organ of the = size needed to fill the room. I had someone else play last night on full = organ, and the sound is not sufficient it circulates in the back. Both = companies that have come so far say that we need at least 3 manuals and = the equal of 50-55 ranks. One even measured the sound and said an = antiphonal woudl be nice. 4. I'd rathere spend 150K on a digital/pipe that will fill the room than a = 20 stop all pipe on blasting wind pressure to fill the room for 350K   Desiree'   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: St Jane De Chantal had the same problem we have From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:37:42 -0700 (PDT)   ....and they got a digital/pipe combo. The architects went to St Jane and = told them if the put a pipe organ large enought to fill the room = adequately, the minute they got to having the sufficient pipe ranks up, it = would be a fallout shelter emergency. so they yave i think 8 ranks of = pipes and the rest digital. D   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs  
(back) Subject: Re: Trumpet on Swell or Great? From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:48:38 EDT   In a message dated 4/30/2004 9:19:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, kwzimmerman@alltel.net writes: I grown to like the fullness obtained when a chorus reed is added to the Great while the mixtures and upperwork are more subdued. ....and countless others who find it very useful! If there is one = trumpet, IMO it should be placed where it is most useful--in the swell box. = There's nothing quite like "full swell," and I find it tragic that on so many = organs, even of considerable size, the one and only trumpet is on the unenclosed great. = NOT useful for accompanying, NOT useful as a solo stop behind closed = shades. I could never figure out how an organ with a loud, blatty great and a wimpy swell was a good thing, but there are certainly a lot of them.   Played a concert today on a trumpet-on-the-great organ and a swell with = the only reed a cromorne (full swell NOT). This from a highly respected = builder, and the organ community has gone ga-ga over this instrument. It's fine = for what it is, but I just can't help but think that 22 ranks could go much = futher.     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: electronic substitutes (kinda long) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:45:46 EDT   De'sir'e'e sez:   "And for me and my church...I know what im doing! We are going to work =   towards a digital instrument, with later pipe augmentation. The room is very wide AND long, yet "shallow". (football shaped?-Ed) The only space for pipes is in the rear gallery. If we had about 30 = more feet of height we'd be perfect. There church's archetchitecture will not support a pipe organ of the = size needed to fill the room. (???) The sound is not sufficient it circulates in the back. Both companies that have come so far say that we need at least 3 manuals and the equal of = 50-55 ranks. One even measured the sound and said an antiphonal woudl be nice. I'd rathere spend 150K on a digital/pipe that will fill the room than = a 20 stop all pipe on blasting wind pressure to fill the room for 350K." Desiree'   Well, folks, there you have it. Doomed by a fine acoustic and a rear gallery location, the choices are limited to a high-pressure, raucous = organ, or a digital product. That's the choice people have faced for centuries when = they have worshipped in reverberant rooms and were forced to place the organ in = the rear gallery. Therefore, there is NOTHING more to be said about this = church or its organ project. Between the organist and the two builders, the = situation is well in hand. I think we can, and SHOULD, move on.   ..