PipeChat Digest #4665 - Tuesday, August 3, 2004
 
Re: Transnational organists
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
JUST KIDDING
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
!!!
  by "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net>
Repeating Service Music
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Transnational organists
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Transnational organists
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Transnational organists
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Anglican Chant
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: why there are no organists
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Transnational organists
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Transnational organists From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:54:51 -0500   On this see "The Oxford Companion to Music" which says, "his name (originally 'Greig') is a reminder of the fact that his great-grandfather came from Scotland." It must be conceded, however, that his mother was Norwegian, and that she was his first music teacher.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Transnational organists     > >..........Grieg was of Scottish descent. > > His father, Alexander > > Grieg, was the British Consul in Bergen. > > You have that wrong: the surname of Grieg's father was Greig. There is = no > Scottish surname "Grieg and I doubt if there's an English one spelt like > that either. ;-)      
(back) Subject: Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:20:35 EDT   In a message dated 8/2/2004 4:14:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, runyonr@muohio.edu writes:   > I'd suggest Bach's Komm, Heiliger Geist, BWV 651. An exhilarating piece   OR   a minor/modal improv on come on baby light my fire.......   too tired to duck at a sick attempt to "lighten" the load,   i remain   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: JUST KIDDING From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:22:19 EDT   No one took that wrong did they?   I personally would do the Buxtehude anyway and be extra creative with = it....   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:33:24 -0400   on 8/2/04 9:20 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com at Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:     OR   a minor/modal improv on come on baby light my fire.......   too tired to duck at a sick attempt to "lighten" the load,   i remain   dale in Florida   I LOVE IT!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: !!! From: "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:47:17 -0700   Theme from Ghostbusters?   Y'all are BAD to the BONE ... now you go ME started.   A. Nonnie Mousse      
(back) Subject: Repeating Service Music From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:37:16 -0400   I once severely injured my left thumb, tearing the muscle and ligaments when it was struck and bent backwards by a mentally ill person. (I am a registered nurse also.) It was in a cast, then a splint for 4 weeks. I continued to play the organ, could do the hymns with my right hand and both feet, did acappella choral pieces, directed choral responses and the Psalm setting with my left hand and played with the right and feet. I found three organ pieces which had the melody in the pedal and the hands part could be done with one hand. During these 4 weeks I used them 4 = times each, rotating them for the Prelude, Offertory and Postlude. Even though the congregation does listen to the organ and sits until the Postlude is over, do you think anyone remarked on the sameness of the music?   Not a soul. In fact, since the injury happened on a Sat. night late, I played the following morning with the cast on. Luckily the choir was off that Sunday, I could not have accompanied their anthem. The Pastor was aware of the problem, but no one else was, since I was in the balcony behind them. They were quite surprised when I went downstairs afterwards! Since the Tylenol with Codeine had worn off, I went home fast. Was out of work (nursing) for that time period, but still did my music. (Neither rain, snow or sleet etc.!) Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:58:29 -0500   Haha, sorry, but that's for the lighting of the Easter fire! My prof says so! Alicia Zeilenga       -----Original Message----- From: Randolph Runyon <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:33:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Good Pentecost music for church organist audition   > on 8/2/04 9:20 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com at Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > > > OR > > a minor/modal improv on come on baby light my fire....... > > too tired to duck at a sick attempt to "lighten" the load, > > i remain > > dale in Florida > > I LOVE IT! > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Transnational organists From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:00:45 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I think Ross is giving us greif!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK (Pronounced with a hard Scottish 'o')   --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   > >..........Grieg was of Scottish descent. > > His father, Alexander > > Grieg, was the British Consul in Bergen. > > You have that wrong: the surname of Grieg's father > was Greig     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: RE: Transnational organists From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:11:02 +1200   >I think Ross is giving us greif!   >Colin Mitchell UK (Pronounced with a hard Scottish 'o')   Good greff, Kollin (i.e. Son of Columba)   Ross   P.S. This is becoming not only off-topic but probably incomprehensible as well......          
(back) Subject: Re: Transnational organists From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:39:53 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Jarle may be interested to know that, when Steinmeyer built the vast instrument(s) at Passau in Bavaria, they were influenced by the baroque revival movement. Although an immmensely rich sound, to which have been added some heavy pressure reeds in recent years, the Steinmeyer concept was not far removed from the baroque tradition tonally.   Certainly, the tonal qualities of a Steinmeyer organ from the period, would be superior to those of Walcker, who had moved towards a particularly heavy and thundering sound, with massive bass tones. Steinmeyer never used heavy pressures and usually had proper chorus-work.   So the concept of baroque-isation is probably not quite so terrible as it may appear on paper, and my guess is that they cleaned up the Mixtures and took out the tierces etc. This was a common mistake, as the model for ALL baroque organs was taken as that of Schnitger, at the expense of everything else. I expect that, in the example at Trondheim, there is an attempt to create a type of Jakobikirche sound as at Hamburg....the most likely place Norwegians might travel to visit a baroque organ.   Lest we forget, they did much the same thing at Haarlem, and got it wonderfully wrong, but with miraculous results!   Of course, this is pure conjecture on my part, because it is now 7.35am and I have been working all night. I am too tired and far too lazy to research the subject, and like a bat, I will shortly be asleep with my wings tucked in tight.   At least, by starting with a Steinmeyer, there is a good chance that the end result was more than satisfactory.......I have heard the word "fantastic" used to describe the big organ at Trondheim.   It seems a shame that such a famous instrument is in need of so much work.   The Wagner organ sounds fascinating, but as I have never heard one live or even on a recording, I wouldn't begin to discuss it, except to note that they are held in very high regard by scholars and historians.   No, I fear that the object lesson in bad taste, are all those heavily romantic organs in the USA and the UK which were baroque-n beyond recognition, and are now seen as very expensive mistakes and a travesty of organ-building art.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- Jarle Fagerheim <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: (Of Trondheim Cathedral, Norway....)   > There are two large organs there. One by Steinmeyer > from 1930 of some > 100 ranks (used to be 129, but rebuilt and > neo-baroqueified in the 60's) > in the nave, and one J.J. Wagner from 1742 of 30 >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Anglican Chant From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:19:55 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   This is more serious than it appears.....   EXAMPLE:-   o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o   They cameth upon the keys and did try to maketh good sound, but nothing issued forth from them.   Then finding an handle, they did move it upwards and downwards: the hissing as like a hundred serpents and the air sweeter than camel's breath, they brought forth joyful tunes.   o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o     I wonder if someone would like to have a go at pointing this as Anglican Chant?   It MUST fit a single play through of a double chant, without repetition of the second half of the double chant.   Hopefully, I can then demonstrate that simple word rhythms and stresses are not the only consideration, because some of the pointing in the Anglican tradition can be absolutely perverse!   The Oxford Psalter is notorious.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "James M. Dahlgren" <jmdkimo@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Listers, > > I disagree that one can learn Anglican Chant =93in a > really short amount of time.=94     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: why there are no organists From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:47:10 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   My final post before I sleep.   I know exactly what Bud Clarke is getting at.   It is surely not so much a question of style as a question of quality. I could certainly get into church music which compared favourably with the best light music, or the best film music....maybe even the best pop music.   What I cannot tolerate is the sort of musical pap they churn out and sway along to, as if it somehow makes the Lord appealing, like he is some sort of demented hippie on acid tabs. Even the words fall short of "Just a minute".....'Jesus' repeated ad nauseum...and I want to ring the bell on the whole charade and bring it to a halt.   Why should anyone in the right mind, wish to devote a life to 4/4 and the key of C, tonic-dominant and the sort of syncopation found in nursery rhymes; whether paid or unpaid?   I only ever once played for a happy-clappy, arm waving, presidentially adulatory "happening"......I refrain from calling it worship. After an hour of this nonsense, we had the "address"....I slipped out to pub and downed a couple of pints, returning just in time to see "the dancers" swooning around to the sound of canned rhubarb.   Then came the prayers.....and my God.....did they pray!   They prayed for the world....and themselves. They prayed for the sick....and themselves. They prayed for the hungry....and themselves. They prayed for God....and themselves. They prayed for themselves....and once, twice, thrice more.   When people started jumping up shouting still more of the buzzwords, I jumped up, snarled 'Jesus Christ,' switched off the organ and left at exactly 1 hour and 43 minutes.   Went back into pub and threw a coin in the Wurlitzer replica.......the lovely sound of "Enya" far better than anything I had heard all night.   What is wrong with these people?   Are they mad?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Transnational organists From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:57:53 +0200   Quoting Colin Mitchell:   > Also, the Norwegians can never get more than "nil > pointe" in the Eurovision Song Contest; and this from > a country which gave us Grieg!!!!!!!   This is surely a gross libel of Norwegian musicians. I distinctly remember one year when they got 3 points with a charming ditty entitled "Kn=E4vrr n=E4vrggg b=F8=F8m b=E4m". I also remember the UK being the only country to score zero points a couple of years back...   Peter.