PipeChat Digest #4669 - Wednesday, August 4, 2004
 
Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: repertoire for the CHURCH organist
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Re: church music degrees
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
denominations
  by "Christopher J. Howerter" <christophhowerter@sbcglobal.net>
Re: repertoire for the CHURCH organist
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Anglican Chant
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Lutheran books
  by "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: repertoire for the CHURCH organist
  by "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net>
Re: Anglican Chant
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Anglican Chant
  by "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net>
My little pipe organ
  by <Joshwwhite@aol.com>
Re: Anglican Chant
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: My little pipe organ
  by <Mick709@aol.com>
New Organ Music
  by "Henry Glass" <henry@melbay.com>
Re: repertoire for the CHURCH organist
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: church music degrees/student organists
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
premise for discussion
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: premise for discussion
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:32:15 EDT   Pete Isherwood said: >I must say I'm a bit disappointed with some of what has been said on = here >regarding sacred music curriculums and schools Pete and I chatted about this a bit privately on AOL last night. I hope that I did not come across in my posts as specifically targeting WCC, = because I did not mean to. I know I had mentioned an area minister who will not = hire WCC grads because his experiences with them has been bad. I have many = friends who are alumni--most hold very good jobs. Some of them have the best spirits--easy going, caring, nurturing, servant's hearts, and a couple = are prima donnas. I know a school does not teach an attitude, but I think that = when one attends a school with a reputation for greatness, it's easy to come out = with a feeling of "I'm one of the best--I'm the cream of the crop." I don't = think that Pete is that way after talking to him....he's got his his priorities =   straight. One of my friends here in Charlotte is the same way. He's one = of the most humble musicians I know. That's why he's succeeded. My point is and will continue to be, that if a person is going to work in =   church, rather than have a full time concert career, that it's a different = venue. Church is NOT a stage for the musician. The star is God, not the =   organist. Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: RE: repertoire for the CHURCH organist From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 06:44:46 -0500   So, what's wrong with that? I'd rather hear him than a host of others to which I am treated when I visit churches on Sunday morning, and which produce the same response.   Sorry - just an early morning spurt, nothing more. I'll to work to kick some butt and get it out of my system.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Colin Mitchell   Howells is the sort of music which wafts around the clerestory and lingers in the triforium, but as the last note dies away, you think to yourself, "What the hell was all that about?"   You've used every stop on the organ and played the equivalent of a harmonic thesis; for what purpose, no one has ever been able to tell me.        
(back) Subject: Re: Re: church music degrees From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:14:03 -0400   AMEN to that, Monty. What you have written here is truly worth a second look. Best Andres First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about. I wasn't referring to the attitudes of the hiring committees, I was referring to the attitudes of the musicians who come in with "diva" attitudes and say "I need this and that and such and such, and on top of it all, I want a renovated music suite and you'll need to buy me a new Steinway and I want new acoustical treatment in the worship space....etc." Then they don't lift a finger to do an ounce more than they need to, all the music is "performed" to glorify themselves, and they are not team players on the church staff. THAT was the kind of attitude I was talking about. It's when people come in like that the people don't want to be generous. When =   someone comes in and says here's what I can do to help your program grow, here's what I think I can offer to your church, and then they sit down and = really can do it up big, but do so humbly...that's what churches are looking = for.   They want someone who can produce but doesn't do it for vain glory. Modesty has it's rewards. I don't want to brag, but doing my job well and for = the right reasons has gotten me a dream instrument, and when it came to = salary negotiations, they offered me more than I was going to ask for. I can't complain...I thank God everyday because I am truly blessed beyond belief. I know it sounds cheesy, but it's true... Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC          
(back) Subject: Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:22:49 EDT   In a message dated 8/4/2004 7:32:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, = RMB10@aol.com writes:   > My point is and will continue to be, that if a person is going to work = in > church, rather than have a full time concert career, that it's a = different > venue.   When i went to CCM, my teacher and i say and talked. What did i want to learn and so on. i wanted to emphasize stuff i could play in church.   a dear departed friend and fellow studio mate, was hired by me to be the consultant for my new pipe organ. after it was all over and a huge = success, he was found to be dying from cancer. I asked him about a lot of stuff, his = only regret was that he did not, "take time to learn more church rep like you = did."   he was a marvelous player from a family of still very active Cinti area RC =   musicians. i miss him a lot but thank him even today for affirming my = choice to do church rather than get my pic on the inside cover of TAO.   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: WCC/Sacred Music Programs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:27:01 EDT   well, i meant we SAT and talked not say and talked.   make my living with fingers, would you ever have guessed?   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: denominations From: "Christopher J. Howerter" <christophhowerter@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:34:01 -0400   Dear List,   One unfortunate thing about the LBW are the dreadful reharmonizations of = all the hymns, in order to give a more "contemporary feel," or something = of the sort. I must say that I always have a copy of the SBH (Service = Book and Hymnal, or "red book") at the console to play those = harmonizations every single chance I get. I've also heard that there is = a book entitled 100 reharmonizations to the LBW, or something of the = sort, which actually employs the original harmonizations from the = SBH...go figure! :) BTW, the hymns in the SBH, would it be legal to = copy them for use for four-part choral singing, so as to avoid the = dreadful LBW harmonizations? Some of the harmonizations for the liturgy = from the LBW I don't even like. I was contemplating the possibility of = rewriting NOT the melody, but the harmonizations of the settings for = choral four-part use. Though, perhaps this is futile being the fact = that in a couple years they will be replacing both the LBW and WOV with = a new book of some sort (cough, splutter, cough). More crap I assume...   Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC (who is sick and tired of Shine, Jesus, = Shine, Here I am Lord, and the good ol'....On Buzzard's Wings!) ;-) Organist and Choirmaster Salem Lutheran Church Naugatuck, CT Home: (203) 798-9809 Mobile: (610) 462-8017 --------------------- Subject: denominations From: "Raymond H. Clark" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:54:21 -0700   Well, in the "liturgy wars" the Lutherans certainly came out on top ...=20 documentation, layout of the books, available music, etc. ... the=20 Episcopal Hymnal 1982 is a NIGHTMARE when compared to the Lutheran Book=20 of Worship (ELCA) *or* Lutheran Worship (Missouri Synod); the less said=20 about RC "Reader's Digest" (tm) missalettes, the better (chuckle).=20 Liturgy in throwaway newsprint booklets devalues the liturgy.   I may not like Bunjes' harmonizations, but at least you can READ LBW and =   LW; something I CAN'T say for the typefaces and engraving in The Hymnal=20 1982 ... the method of pointing ALONE was calculated to kill off=20 Anglican Chant in a single stroke.   I found it amusing / illustrative that Colin, John, and I all used the=20 same (old) system of pointing, and understood each other PERFECTLY,=20 though we come from VERY different backgrounds.   Cheers,   Bud