PipeChat Digest #4678 - Friday, August 6, 2004
 
Re: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted)
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Informal survey - most difficult Bach
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
topic of discussion
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
dale wood
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
re-packing wooden stoppers
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
up date on my home organ
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: topic of discussion
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
New Pipe Organ CD available (cross-posted)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Real versus Digital!
  by "Richard Huggins" <huggins88@yahoo.com>
Re: re-packing wooden stoppers
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: re-packing wooden stoppers
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Martin Setchell
  by "Henry Glass" <henry@melbay.com>
Re: Real versus Digital!
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Les Maitres vol 3 p 60-73
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Les Maitres vol 3 p 60-73
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Organist cheered by ecstatic crowd!
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Organ and ?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Qualified ELCA Organists
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Qualified ELCA Organists
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: "experienced" pipe organs
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: New Pipe Organ CD available (cross-posted)
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: re-packing wooden stoppers
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Qualified ELCA Organists
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: re-packing wooden stoppers
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:11:30 EDT   In a message dated 8/5/2004 11:03:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   > No Rutabagas for > Suzie" from the 1938 Dilbert Klunk musical tragedy "Love Is Like Brain > Damage   SEND THIS one to me mystery sender..............   in this retirement village, it will be a perfect encore.   please please please. Thank you very much.   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Informal survey - most difficult Bach From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:13:59 -0500   I know, it was a very interesting sound, thought it kinda fit the piece, = with it being advent and all. =20 That Buzard isn't too bad, but, honey, that Willis-Wicks has a REAL = Galloping Gertie tremolo!!!!!!   ELucas Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net  
(back) Subject: topic of discussion From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:43:56 -0500   HI list, Is it better to play offset reeds on an electric or electro-pneumatic chest? And if all of the reeds play at the same = pressure (4 inches) can I put all of the offset reeds on the same chest? Trumpet 8,(12 notes) oboe 8, (12 notes) fagotto 16' half-length but not dead length. (30 notes) The trumpet on the great, oboe on the swell and = fagotto on the pedal. Thanks, Gary    
(back) Subject: dale wood From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:48:18 -0500   My favorite one is: In the Dark of the Night in the seven folk song = sketches. Gary
(back) Subject: RE: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:35:20 -0500   I have to cull out all the spam each morning when I download messages, and because of the title of this one I almost assumed it was one more porno solicitation/offer. I'm glad I stopped to read it.   Seb, eat your vegetables, honey - they put color in your cheeks.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   [Punch line: Who wants green cheeks?]   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com   As for the person who sent me the charts to the ballad "No Rutabagas for   Suzie" from the 1938 Dilbert Klunk musical tragedy "Love Is Like Brain Damage," I have several questions: Was that a mere clerical error, or was it intentional? If intentional, what are you implying? That my name is Suzie? That I am to be denied my choice of produce? That I have brain damage? I think a Congressional inquest is in order...        
(back) Subject: re-packing wooden stoppers From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:05:04 -0500   List, What is the best way to re-pack wooden stoppers on wooden pipes? = I purchased some leather form OSI and am ready to start. Thanks for = your help. Gary
(back) Subject: up date on my home organ From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:09:08 -0500   I went to Peterson-electro musical corp. yesterday and purchased a new = combination action for my house organ. 8 levels of memory and lots of = room for pistons. I also have an 8' trumpet that will go in it too. No = more pipes, I already have 18 ranks as it is and is time to stop. The = neighbors can only stand so much. It would be fun to have a big tuba = though.! lol. Thanks for listening
(back) Subject: Re: topic of discussion From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:00:50 EDT   Place your reeds, especially the basses, on electropneumatic action. You'll be glad you did. There are builders who swear by all-electric = actions, so their opinions will differ. However, if you DO go the all-electric route, = ask builders experienced with that type of action about expansions chambers = and anti- valve-bounce techniques that they employ.  
(back) Subject: New Pipe Organ CD available (cross-posted) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:41:28 EDT   Please feel free to post this announcement on related internet group = lists:   The first recording of a Gluck pipe organ is now available on compact = disc. It features one of our small instruments designed for residence, teaching studio, or chapel. The footprint of this remarkable instrument, located in =   Alexander Chapel of the First Presbyterian Church in New York City, is = only 32 x 120 inches, yet it contains two 16' stops and an independent Nazard and = Tierce.   The repertoire, performed by Dr. William F. Entriken, includes works by Vincent Lubeck, Johann Sebastian Bach, Louis-Nicolas Clerambault, Ralph = Vaughan Williams, Friedrich Wilhelm Zachow, William Boyce, and Georg Friedrich = Handel. Program notes are included in the accompanying booklet.   The digital recording was made "as is," showing what a properly scaled, voiced, and finished pipe organ can do in an intimate setting that seats = only a few dozen people. No vast, false reverberation was added, and no = re-equalization was done. A real eye-opener (and ear-unclogger) for those who say that = there is no room for a pipe organ.   The Gluck website has links for viewing enlargeable photos and the = stoplist, as well as for ordering the disc:   http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: RE: Real versus Digital! From: "Richard Huggins" <huggins88@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:29:42 -0500   Just to show you that it's not only pipe-vs-digitals that get argued = about, but digitals vs digitals, for I hold a completely opposite opinion from = you as regards Allen vs. Rogers.   With digitals for certain, installation is *everything.* And the audio design is *everything* as well. So it's possible --not saying this = applies to you-- to form opinions based on bad installations. (By "audio design" I mean the choice of and array of speakers, plus the number of them to be used, the channel assignments to each one, and such. I know of one of Allen's top dealer sales-installation teams that a couple of decades or so ago refused to use certain Allen-made speakers exclusively --they mixed in JBLs, for example--because at that time the Allen quality wasn't up to = what they deemed necessary for the result they wanted. That's different now, = but it is an example of the importance of getting the speakers right.)   I would presume that it's still possible to find weak intallation/audio design of either brand, which is unfortunate since the tonal capabilities = as manufactured can be impressive (I still prefer Allen, but that's a different message!)   --Richard Huggins   > Subject: RE: Real versus Digital! > From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@cox.net>   > I think your thinking shows that you have an open mind and are willing = to > look at all types of instruments. Granted in the past the electronic = organs > left alot to be desired and even now, Allen organ leaves alot to be = desired > but at least there are some, including Rodgers, that realize even though = a > digital organ isn't a pipe, the more it sounds like a pipe organ the = better > for churches that can't afford a pipe organ.    
(back) Subject: Re: re-packing wooden stoppers From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:39:51 -0500   Some people think this is too cheap... but it works great. I just glue = the piece of leather to the bottom of the stopper, not to the sides. The = piece of leather should be just big enough to come up the sides and be visible = all the way around when the stopper is in place. Then you can add or subtract =   felt from the sides to get the right fit. If later the fit is found to be =   too tight or too loose, it can easily be remedied. I guess the reason people might not like this method is the fear that the leather will fall down when the stopper is pulled up, but I've never had this happen. The advantage to this method? It is _so_ much faster. I often do it on-site. =   Andy     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: re-packing wooden stoppers From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:56:41 EDT   Gary: Check with someone in the business on the formula for a combination of bees wax and animal fat boiled together. It makes a packing lubricant that keeps the leather supple and forms a seal without being too tight. If too tight the pipe will split. You don't want that to happen. Remember wood pipes expand and contract with changes humidity and other weather conditions. Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Martin Setchell From: "Henry Glass" <henry@melbay.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:24:09 -0500     Martin Setchell will be in the USA during April and May of 2005. He has = a recital date at Saint Stephen's Episcopal Church, Seattle.=20 His contact there is: Leslie Martin Director of Music SAINT STEPHEN'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH Seattle, WA 98105 Email: les@ststephens-seattle.org   Martin's home address is: Martin Setchell Christchurch, Town Hall, New Zealand Assoc Prof of Music University of Canterbury Web-site: www.organist.co.nz    
(back) Subject: Re: Real versus Digital! From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:50:11 EDT   In a message dated 8/6/2004 11:30:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, huggins88@yahoo.com writes:   > I would presume that it's still possible to find weak intallation/audio > design of either brand, which is unfortunate since the tonal = capabilities as > manufactured can be impressive (I still prefer Allen, but that's a > different message!) > >   possible to find them of ALL brands.....no one has it down yet.....NO ONE> =   and slapping speakers up on the wall just is not the same as designing a = real install.   The new AG3200 from Ahlborn-Galanti i heard at LA_AGO was pretty amazing. =   when David Hart played the joahnnus it sounded pretty good too......   all are improved.......it is almost always about the LOCAL REP.   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Les Maitres vol 3 p 60-73 From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:40:12 -0700   Making good progress now....   http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/scores/LesMaitres/vol3/LM3_p60-73.pdf   Enjoy!   Jonathan Orwig http://www.blackiris.com/orwig (personal site) http://www.evensongmusic.net (publishing site with mp3 examples)         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004
(back) Subject: Re: Les Maitres vol 3 p 60-73 From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:11:02 -0500   Thank you for putting this on the website. The Joseph Jongen = "Offertoire" is particularly nice.   John Speller ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Orwig=20 To: trackers N pipes ; rodgersorganusers ; = PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu ; PipeChat ; = pipes_spectacular@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:40 PM Subject: Les Maitres vol 3 p 60-73     Making good progress now....   http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/scores/LesMaitres/vol3/LM3_p60-73.pdf   Enjoy!   Jonathan Orwig http://www.blackiris.com/orwig (personal site) http://www.evensongmusic.net (publishing site with mp3 examples)         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 7/22/2004
(back) Subject: Organist cheered by ecstatic crowd! From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:46:46 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   It might have been Dupre or Thalben-Ball at the Alexander Palace in the 1930's, or Carlo Curley arriving in a pink Cadillac at the same venue back in the 70's.....but it wasn't.   Neither was it a Theatre Organ concert.   No! They were cheering the organist at the Royal Albert Hall, London, here in the UK!   English Tourists have now firmly overtaken the Germans as the least liked in Europe; invading the beaches and resorts, indulging in binge drinking and, to our eternal shame, brawling in the streets. Quite what England is coming to I have no idea.....not that this is new behaviour. It has happened at the Royal Albert Hall, BBC proms for decades; except that they don't fight afterwards!   The same clamour for tickets, the same rush to the bar during the interval, the same rowdy noises after every piece, people waving flags, wearing silly hats and generally being....er....very British.   Nowadays, the only place to hear polite applause is at Wimbeldon, when everyone in the world comes here to beat our tennis players.   So why were they shouting, whooping, waving and applauding so enthusiastically?   Well, one might not think it a likley scenario, but they had just come to the finale of a Mass!!!!!!!!!   To be more precise, they had just heard the whole of Janeck's "Glagolithic Mass," a strange and daunting masterpiece with, of course, that extraordinary and very difficult organ solo part, played by David Goode.   Without being in the building, it is difficult to know EXACTLY what the re-built organ sounds like, but judging by the normally excellent quality of BBC transmissions from the BBC Proms, as heard through some very good loudspeakers, it sounds quite wonderful.   Mander Organs have, of course, spent many moons re-building and restoring the instrument to its former glory; alas not back to the original Fr Willis sound, but the much altered sound of Arthur Harrison. That said, the organ is now breathing correctly, and sounds both in tune and stable.....something we haven't known for decades! Mander Organs seem to have done a fine job, judging by what I have heard thus far.   The curator of the organ claims that it is now the largest organ in the UK, with 9,999 pipes.   Funnily enough, I think there is a certain Korean businessman who may have different ideas, and it should be interesting to see what response Liverpool Cathedral comes up with!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Organ and ? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:55:47 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   With the re-built organ of the Royal Albert Hall being featured a great deal in this year's BBC Proms concerts, I wondered about music which includes organ.   I wonder what our favourite pieces of music might be, which include organ or feature the organ as a solo instrument, but which are definitely NOT purely organ and choir, or settings of the mass.   There are the obvious things, such as the superb Handel Organ Concertii, the Holst "Planet Suite," the Saint Saens "Organ Symphony" etc. etc.   I feel sure that there are much less obvious combinations of instruments with organ, such as the "Concerto for Piano and Organ" by Flor Peeters.   So, what are our favourites?   What are the most unusual?   What are the most obscure?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Qualified ELCA Organists From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:59:59 -0500   Hello Arie,   Yes, Cantor is still in business. Quite busy in fact. I know that they = were considering re-designing their factory website. Most likely that = is what is happening. From what I understand, their reps in the US, = Canada, and the UK are dealing with inquiries and orders for new = instruments at present. I am aware of 3 recent church installations = here in the US. Iowa, PA, and Missouri. Wayne Grauel can provide more = info, but I know that 2 of them are custom Cantata Series organs with = dual specs. For more info and photos of my Positive, there is a page at = http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/tcg.htm . There are some mp3 = files in the downloads area as well.   Cheers,   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arie Vandenberg=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Qualified ELCA Organists     At 03:42 PM 2004-08-04 -0500, you wrote:   Craig, =20 Not to start the "Fake vs.. Real" p*****g contest again, I have to = say that reality is there are some very fine state of the art digital = instruments now available in the market place. These instruments are = much more affordable than a "real" organ, and have a sound quality that = is realistic to the point of being virtually indistinguishable from = pipes. Musicom real time synthesis technology comes to mind. Listen to = and play a Copeman Hart, Saville, Veritas, or Cantor and you'll be = amazed. I have a II/27 Cantor at home and prefer it's sound and = playability over the II/31 "real organ" at church. =20 Cheers, =20 Tim =20 Craig wrote "IF IT DOESN'T HAVE PIPES, IT ISN'T AN ORGAN!"     Tim,   Is Cantor still in business? Their web-site went down several months = ago, and can't find them anywhere on the web except for some dealers.   Arie V.  
(back) Subject: Re: Qualified ELCA Organists From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:19:04 -0500   As I said previously, listen to a Musicom driven instrument. Not a = recorded "pipe sample" to be found. Like you I prefer real pipes, but = Musicom technology is the very best "fake" I've heard or played. Many = pipe organ builders are using the technology to supplement their = installations with great success. A few digital builders are using the = system in lieu of sample technology exclusively. More costly? Yes. = What custom instrument wouldn't be. Worth it? You bet it is! I'm not = saying that sample technology is inferior to real time synthesis. There = are builders who use recorded samples very well indeed. The Epiphany = Organ, and Phoenix come to mind. However, when it comes down to it, = there is a big difference to my ear.   Cheers,   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Swedish5702@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Qualified ELCA Organists     The most popular college choir making the rounds today has to be the = one directed by a good friend and mentor Dr. Noble. Nordic Choir is its = name and their sound quality is fantastic.   I remember when I sang in the US Navy's Bluejacket Choir Dr. Noble = greeted us after a performance and that's when my association began with = him now in its 41st year. Wow, how time flies when it is quality years. = LOL!   Regarding my comment on digital vs. pipes. Having perfect pitch and = having been in the company of both builders the digital is toooooooooooo = clean sounding and always in voice.   Give me an EM or AS any day over a pipeless device. Thank God for the = leading churches and cathedrals still letting their sound reign forth in = majesty.   Regards,   Craig
(back) Subject: Re: "experienced" pipe organs From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:40:13 -0500   Yes, this is true in theory. However, the key point is "once they're restored". Most "average" community churches simply cannot afford to pay the mega $$$ involved in the purchase and restoration of an "experienced" organ. That is why many are opting for state of the art digitals with a dispostion that will meet the needs of the church. Sorry, but a 1 manual organ with a few stops isn't likely to meet the needs of the "average" church. Not even remotely. And News Flash: most church organists are rarely involved in the choice of an organ. In most cases, it's the = Vestry, Parrish Board, Organ Committee and/or Consultants that have a hand in the decision regarding the purchase of an organ ... pipe or digital. At least that has been my (organist) experience over the past 40 years or so. You get what "they" give you, and you're expected NOT to complain about it! <grin> Give me the choice, there'd be a shining new Ruffatti over ANY digital, any place, any time! Real life can be so unfair ....   Cheers,   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: "experienced" pipe organs     > There are one-manual tracker pipe organs on Organ Clearing House (and > elsewhere ... I know of an orphan one in Northern California) that will > serve the AVERAGE church and the AVERAGE organist WELL for the better > part of a hundred years without major repairs, once they're restored. > > There is virtually NEVER a reason to settle for an electronic > substitute, other than ORGANISTS. >      
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks for cracking my nuts (X-posted) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 18:42:45 -0400   ROFLMAO! hahaha Thanks, Sebastian! I needed a giggle! (from Portland, ME, that is- after a wonderful evening with the Lotzschmar = organ!)   Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: New Pipe Organ CD available (cross-posted) From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:32:19 -0400   I got the CD at the OHS convention and reccomend it strongly.   Andres First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about. Sebastian wrote:   Please feel free to post this announcement on related internet group lists:   The first recording of a Gluck pipe organ is now available on compact = disc. SNIP ETC    
(back) Subject: Re: re-packing wooden stoppers From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:54:36 EDT   In a message dated 8/6/2004 11:57:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: Check with someone in the business on the formula for a combination of bees wax and animal fat boiled together. It makes a packing lubricant that keeps the leather supple and forms a seal without being too tight. I use Mutton Tallow to lubricate the leather-packed stoppers when I = rebuild these stops. I t works well, and does not dry out.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Qualified ELCA Organists From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:26:46 EDT   In a message dated 8/6/2004 5:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, octaaf@charter.net writes:   > There are builders who use recorded samples very well indeed. The = Epiphany > Organ, and Phoenix come to mind. However, when it comes down to it, = there > is a big difference to my ear.   go hear the new AG3200.....   big improvement and great sound.   less cost too than the big custom boys   dale in florida being glad he went to AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: re-packing wooden stoppers From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:35:27 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)   Gary Black asked: =0D =0D > List, What is the best way to re-pack wooden stoppers on wooden pipes?= I purchased some leather form OSI and am ready to start. =0D =0D What we've always done for larger pipes was to cut grooves around the perimeter of the stopper and fit cork packing instead of using stopper leather. Since cork is a wood material, it can be easily glued and is compressible, thus affording a great seal.=0D =0D We always use "CRISCO" vegetable shortening to lubricate stoppers with either cork or leather packing because it works well, is very inexpensive and readily available in any supermarket.=0D =0D Faithfully,=0D =0D Richard Schneider=0D (Formerly "Grandpa Arp")