PipeChat Digest #4688 - Monday, August 9, 2004 RE: Baldwin "Wave-Form" in Cincinnati by "Tom Hoehn" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs by <TubaMagna@aol.com> Re:it's not all black and white, folks by <RMB10@aol.com> Re: What did you play today? by <OMusic@aol.com> BORING THE AUDIENCE? Re: it's not all black and white, folks by <ScottFop@aol.com> no argument, Monty by "Liquescent" <email@example.com> Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Scott Foppiano at Portland, Maine by "mack02445" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Baldwin "Wave-Form" in Cincinnati by <Keys4bach@aol.com> Re: Are we killing our instrument??? X-post by <Swedish5702@aol.com> Re: Are we killing our instrument??? X-post by "Gary Black" <email@example.com> Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs by "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: PipeChat Digest #4685 - 08/08/04 by "John Foss" <email@example.com> Re: Scottish music for organ by "Richard Jordan" <firstname.lastname@example.org> DiapaZoon Indigestion #29574586 February 31, 1609 by <TubaMagna@aol.com> Re: Pastor lays it on the line by "v hatch" <email@example.com> (no subject) by "v hatch" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: OHS Convention. PipeChat Digest #4685 - 08/08/04 by "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) by "Paul R. Swank" <email@example.com> Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) by <Keys4bach@aol.com> Re: Scottish music for organ by <Georgewbayley@aol.com>
(back) Subject: RE: Baldwin "Wave-Form" in Cincinnati From: "Tom Hoehn" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:21:28 -0400 Church of the Ascension in Clearwater, FL had one of the Baldwin = Microwave Organs (their description) until they got their new Orgues = LeTourneau a couple of years ago, I believe St,. Paul's Methodist in = Largo has one, although I'm not sure sure, 3 manuals, was hit by = lightening about a year and a half ago, and they paid around $7000 to = repair it. The only thing playing on it was the choir manual (poorly), = the Swell and great had so much noise in them you couldn't even draw the = stops. The combination action was replaced as well. =20 tom -- who enjoys an occasional serving of Skyline Chili in St. = Petersburg, FL. Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/=20 -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of = Keys4bach@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:11 AM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Baldwin "Wave-Form" in Cincinatti In a message dated 8/8/2004 10:34:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, = firstname.lastname@example.org writes: Wonder if=20 there are still any left anywhere. it was awful compared to pipe but it was top notch when it was new. that was the last one in Cinti that i know of as Mr Fishers old church = got a Pinchi-Rodgers combo..... dale in florida missing skyline chili in cinti=20
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:41:38 EDT Congregation Ansche Maariv has one of the Cavaille-Coll F7-4000 models = from the 1880s that was built by Kraft Foods, and it's still playing. When Henrick Niegenhoff moved from 's-Hortogenbosch to Omaha, Nebraska = in 1548, he sold his banjo operation to Smith & Wesson firearms to finance = his underbid on the St. Petri organ in Hamburg. A lot of those mid-sixteenth century instruments used rotating wheels = of Swiss cheese to generate the 32' Pedal stops, although not very = successfully. I have both repaired and eaten these stops, so I speak from experience. Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/ ..
(back) Subject: Re:it's not all black and white, folks From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:57:17 EDT >One has to KNOW the rules in order to BREAK them INTELLIGENTLY Yes, I don't argue that point at all. In fact, one needs to have a very solid understanding and grounding in the basics, and probably a better understanding of the rules IF they are going to break them. I don't think = that musicians should just play whatever they feel like doing because that's = what they feel like doing. That's immature and unscholarly. There are a couple of Bach chorale preludes that I play in a more romanticized way using strings and flutes, and depending on what the organ = has, I alter the solo stop. I do this, because by doing research, I found that Bach = had transcribed them from his own cantatas, and found out what the original scoring was. So, while it comes off as being "romantic", I'm really = playing it "authentically." My point was that on a more Romantic type instrument, such as a G. Donald = Harrison Aeolian-Skinner, it is better to gear a program to that kind of = organ, than to be austere and underwhlem an audience. It is also better to play = with some pizazz and not bore your audience. Monty Bennett
(back) Subject: Re: What did you play today? From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:02:58 EDT Don't miss seeing Alan Freede at St. Luke's. He can tell you all about = what is going on in NY>
(back) Subject: BORING THE AUDIENCE? Re: it's not all black and white, folks From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:14:14 EDT In a message dated 8/9/04 12:58:09 PM Central Daylight Time, RMB10@aol.com = writes: > ......one needs to have a very solid understanding and grounding in the = > basics, and probably a better understanding of the rules IF they are = going to > break them. I don't think that musicians should just play whatever they = feel > like doing because that's what they feel like doing......There are a = couple > of Bach chorale preludes that I play in a more romanticized way using = strings > and flutes, and depending on what the organ has, I alter the solo > stop......My point was that on a more Romantic type instrument, such as = a G. Donald > Harrison Aeolian-Skinner, it is better to gear a program to that kind of = organ, > than to be austere and underwhelm an audience. It is also better to = play > with some pizzazz and not bore your audience. Amen, and Amen! I agree 100% with what Monty said and do exactly the same = things with exactly the same approach. Having just returned from playing = my second concert on the Mighty Kotzschmar Organ in Portland, Maine, Monty's = words are indeed true and valid. I wouldn't dare go into that organ and program = a concert with all baroque (by any means!) or obscure repertoire that = doesn't work. That organ has a massive, woolly (yet clear), muscular sound and = music for it needs to be programmed accordingly. Perhaps that's one reason the = Portland folks have such a large annual series of municipal organ concerts and = invite good artists from all over the globe? The organist must know the = instrument and what it can to for the listeners' ears. Pardon my French but, to a = degree- to hell with academic approaches to registration if it's going to lull the = audience into slumber or, even worse, make them walk out! Are we trying to wear powder wigs and ruffly sleeves (though quite = fetching I must admit! LOL) or are we trying to get people INTO our concerts and recitals? Yes, one can play things in an appropriate manner and do = justice to the composers' intentions and the integrity of their compositions, but don't = do it at the expense of the instrument and the listeners, as was apparently the = case at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, SC last evening as part of the = Charlotte AGO Summer Recital Series. (oops! did I say THAT???) -Scott Foppiano P.S.- by the way, I did program the Flor Peeters "Aria" on a CD I did back = in 1997 on the Robert Morton "Wonder" theatre pipe organ in the Arlington Theatre, Santa Barbara with its several sets of string and flute celestes, = two vox humanas and a saxophone. It was (is) beautiful and quite orchestral! = Even though the piece may print suggested registrations in the score, I would = never dream of doing a piece like that on Krummhojrns and Hohoflojtes and such. = Nonsense! People want to hear moon beams and shimmers of beauty, flute = celestes with the super coupler and the box shut and contrasting string celeste = choruses (with the vox at 16, 8 and 4 of course!) and, I dare say that playing in = such a manner does justice to the beauty of the composition as well instead of distracting from its beauty by ugly, harsh registrations. Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.
(back) Subject: no argument, Monty From: "Liquescent" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:23:36 -0700 I once attended a "scholarly" recital at a famous NYC venue. Unfortunately, the organ WAS an electro-pneumatic 18-wheeler, and not even the best of type available on that fabled Isle of Endless 32's. The recitalist chose to play early English music for the first half; I don't know what the second half was; I repaired to a nearby pub for a pint and a roast beef sandwich. OHS has had some spectacular successes AND failures in that regard ... organists who were TOTALLY sensitive to the particular instrument and what it could play well, and (a few) who were DETERMINED to hammer a Trumpet into a Viole d'Orchestra rackboard, if you take my meaning. As to the use of strings in Bach, well, MANY orchestral organs DEPEND on the strings for "bite" and brightness. So use them, already (chuckle). Transcriptions? No problem. I used to play "God's Time Is Best" with the Solo English Horn + Tremulant, accompanied by the coupled strings of the (Skinner) Swell and Choir. If I still had that organ to play, I'd still play it that way. On that same organ, one of the most charming registrations I've ever heard for "Rejoice, Beloved Christians" had the right hand on Choir Flutes 8' and 2' plus the 4' CELESTA, with the c.f. in the Pedal on that same English Horn plus the Solo Gamba and Gamba Celeste (!), played by the head of the Organ Department (!!). What we're all talking about, really, is the necessity of doing the kind of programming that's done in Balboa Park ... the Spreckels Organ Society recitals REGULARLY draw in excess of 1000 people year-round; there is a weekly recital in the winter, and TWO weekly recitals in the summer. And everything IMAGINABLE gets played. As a result, the organ is wildly popular, they have NO difficulty in raising money for rebuilds and additions, and the City and the Society continue to fund the Civic Organist position. Cheers, Bud
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:52:15 -0400 At 12:37 PM 2004-08-09 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/9/2004 11:49:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, >ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes: > >>If the D-911 was not made by Viscount, then who made them? > > >the 911 was a general music product....when COS formed with wurlitzer >brand then everything became intercontinental. > >dale in Florida Dale, I shall check through my brochures tonight at home. I still think the D-911 is a Viscount re-badge. Arie V.
(back) Subject: Scott Foppiano at Portland, Maine From: "mack02445" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:02:09 -0400 Last Thursday, night in the company of fellow list members Doug Campbell and Harvyn Tarkmeel (Pipevoice), who drove from Skaneateles, NY, we trekked from Brookline, Massachusetts to Portland Maine to hear Scott Foppiano play the Kotzschmar Organ as part of the "POPS" series. I was not able to attend the OHS convention this year so I missed hearing him play at Shea's Buffalo Theatre. Although the Austin isn't really a theatre organ, scott made it swing and rock with an excellent program of good ole popular songs, from when they wrote real music, and a Broadway show medley and other light classical pieces, including The Lost Chord. Scott's playing was flawless and the smooth arrangements sat well on the Austin, even with its still present sag in wind on occassion due to blower problems, and upon the appreciative crowd in Merrill Auditorium that night. I had first heard Scott in his theatre organ mode about eight years ago on a Wurlitzer in the Boston Area. I was impressed with his playing then and am more so now. It was a delightful evening and well worth the drive. I hope sometime in the near future to be able to hear Scott play a classical concert too as I am sure he will impress me as much as he did last Thursday. Congratulations Scott and keep up the great work. Mack
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin "Wave-Form" in Cincinnati From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:05:02 EDT In a message dated 8/9/2004 1:25:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, email@example.com writes: > tom -- who enjoys an occasional serving of Skyline Chili in St. = Petersburg, > FL. > as i do in Ft. Myers but it is NOT the same........ dale farther south that St Pete
(back) Subject: Re: Are we killing our instrument??? X-post From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:06:15 EDT VIRGIL...PLEASE COME BACK AND QUIET THIS NONSENSE! Regards, Craig
(back) Subject: Re: Are we killing our instrument??? X-post From: "Gary Black" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:20:18 -0500 HI , I just visited Virgil's grave a couple of weeks ago and he won't = be coming back soon. lol Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Swedish5702@aol.com=20 To: email@example.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Are we killing our instrument??? X-post VIRGIL...PLEASE COME BACK AND QUIET THIS NONSENSE! Regards, Craig
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs From: "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:41:05 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <email@example.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs > I have both repaired and eaten these stops, so I speak from experience. Nor should one forget the cheeseburger specials that used another design = of rotating wheel. These were not always reliable and one of them is said to have inspired the famous comment by Luther that "A festering burger I = have got for my big Pedal Principal". John Speller
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4685 - 08/08/04 From: "John Foss" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:54:49 +0300 My Pipechat Digest seems to have come through a little later than my other list, so some of you may have already read this, but I felt that it was appropriate to reply here as well, as the post in question appeared here = as well. Douglas A. Campbell" <email@example.com> wrote "On July 23rd, Malcolm Weschler posted what was in effect a personal attack on me. " When I read this post, having read Malcom's review of the recital, I = thought "What on earth are you talking about?" I couldn't remember any personal attack on anyone, but as it was possible I had missed something I went back and re-read the review. Malcolm's reviews are the next best thing to being there, and I still have no idea of what you are talking about. = Unless I am suffering from serious defects of sight, there is no personal attack = on you or anyone else either directly or by implication. A review is a = review, and if you put your head above the barricade and give a recital you are putting yourself in the line of fire. Everyone has off days - maybe this = was one for Felix. Perhaps you would like to be more explicit? John Foss
(back) Subject: Re: Scottish music for organ From: "Richard Jordan" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:59:36 -0500 At 08:29 PM 8/8/04 -0500, you wrote: >One of the wedding coordinators in my church called me yesterday to tell = me >that a couple I will be playing for in a few weeks were engaged in = Scotland >at the ruins of an abbey and have family in that country. > >Can you think of Scottish music for organ, Scottish titles, etc., that = may >be appropriate for the occasion (prelude and postlude music, something = short >for the lighting of the unity candle)? yes you might want to check http://www.onjordansbanks.com they have a number of celtic pieces arranged for organ although primarily Irish, some of them are Scottish [and some are claimed by both] and since I did the arrangements, you can even complain to me <g> Regards, Richard Jordan http://www.Lutheran-Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com
(back) Subject: DiapaZoon Indigestion #29574586 February 31, 1609 From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:07:59 EDT For those of you who are only willing to use the "lite" versions of chat lists, please delete the post number and date, and actually substitue a = TOPIC HEADING that is appropriate to the subject. Likewise, please do not send = "No Subject" mails to these lists. It just makes things easier to digest...
(back) Subject: Re: Pastor lays it on the line From: "v hatch" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:59:15 -0500 I hoope you got a FLOOD of responses saying how much we LOVE your = pastor!!! >From: RMB10@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <firstname.lastname@example.org> >To: email@example.com >Subject: Re: Pastor lays it on the line >Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:58:58 EDT > > >He sounds like a Lutheran Pope! Lucky YOU! > >I forgot to mention the other edict our pastor has issued regarding the = new >sanctuary...there will be no screens in the church, either. He's a >techno-phobe. I think that broadcasting things before the service such = as >announcements as a PowerPoint presentation or doing a couple minute = video >of upcoming >events can be done tastefully, but he wants no part of it. I'm not = going >to >argue, because somewhere down the line people would start trying to = start >sneaking in putting up words to choruses on the screens, then it leads = to >other >things, and on and on it goes... It works in some places, but when the >whole >front wall is going to be taken up with organ cases and the baptistry, >there >is really no place a screen could go, so I think we're safe. I'm still >shocked that I'm at a Baptist church and have a traditionalist >pastor...wonders >will never cease! > >Monty Bennett >Friendship Baptist Church >Charlotte, NC > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Administration: mailto:email@example.com >List-Subscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:email@example.com> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to = School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx
(back) Subject: From: "v hatch" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:10:21 -0500 What's the difference, when you reply, between "reply" and "reply all"? I notice that when you press "reply" it still replies to EVERYBODY. I guess = you just have to laboriously do a "compose" --"new" --"create" i.e. type = out each individual letter of the indiviual's email address if you want to = send something specifically oand only to a given poster. And by the way, what does the term "x posting" refer to? You can see I am an old person--and while I've got your attention I didn't get any responses to my question a few weeks ago about this: HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME TO RETIRE? I = guess what I really would like to know is: are there any people out there who = have retired and NOW WISH THEY HADN'T? That's what I'm afraid of. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! = http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Convention. PipeChat Digest #4685 - 08/08/04 From: "Hans-Friedrich Hell" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:36:18 +0200 John Foss wrote: >Everyone has off days - maybe this was >one for Felix. Perhaps you would like to be more explicit? >John Foss > > Guessing and assuming simply does not help. Doug Campbell talked, without being authorized, about a "backstory". Well, Felix is on vacation, and normally I would ask him whether or not I should write something so sensitive. But in this case, questions after questions after questions, by mail, by phone, personally: Yes, Felix might have had a day off, who knows? The performance had been recorded, and will be reviewed soon again, by independent "celeberities". In any case, to be sure it was bad or not. Anyway, day off or not, the only thing we know for sure is that Felix has now already more than 7 (in words: seven) months off from Malcolm. The same is true for me, seven months off from Malcolm. Both, Felix and I, after endless letters of apology and begging for forgiveness for something we didn't even really know what it was, we both felt that Malcolm's sword of Malcom's justice had fallen upon us, and no communion in the world would have been be able to get Malcolm, who had played, besided his teachers, a major role for Felix as a 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old in his new homecountry America, back on a common table. Yes, Felix had considered to cancel the OHS recital, because he knew, Malcolm would review him, and this time it would be different, regardless how well or bad the performanced would go. It was cruel. Never before I had experienced Felix under such a pressure. And then he looked down from the organ gallery, seing the enthusiastically applauding crowd, and seing Malcolm among them, who also did not stop to clapp. Nobody saw Felix's tears rinnung down his face when he saw his former "friend". No encore was requested, no encore was prepared. But the crowd did not stop to clapp. And he sat down, playing exactly that piece about which Malcolm in his countless reviews had written so excitedly, naming it one of the signature pieces of Felix. This time however, Felix screwed it up, the 3rd movement of Bach's 1st Trio Sonata. And Malcolm screwed up his review, not resisting the temptation tearing Felix down even on this piece. A sad story? Yes, very sad. Even without all the details. But also an opportunity for a new beginning - at least for Felix Hans-Friedrich Hell
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) From: "Paul R. Swank" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:49:42 -0400 Hi Arie, I won't put my answer in all caps screaming, nor insinuate that everything = else he says is suspect (even though Dale did that to me). I will say that I'll bet the Baldwin D-911 and D-912 (of the D. H. Howard line of Church Organ Systems) were made by Intercontinental Electronics in = Italy. Also made by that company was Church Organ Systems' Wurlitzer organs and their Domus line of organ. Betcha, betcha... Paul R. Swank No connection to a Baldwin Dealer in Baltimore At 02:52 PM 8/9/04, you wrote: >At 12:37 PM 2004-08-09 -0400, you wrote: >>In a message dated 8/9/2004 11:49:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes: >> >>>If the D-911 was not made by Viscount, then who made them? >> >> >>the 911 was a general music product....when COS formed with wurlitzer >>brand then everything became intercontinental. >> >>dale in Florida > >Dale, > >I shall check through my brochures tonight at home. I still think the >D-911 is a Viscount re-badge. > >Arie V.
(back) Subject: Re: Baldwin D912 Digital Organs (opinions please!) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:55:51 EDT In a message dated 8/9/2004 6:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, email@example.com writes: > made by that company was Church Organ Systems' Wurlitzer organs and = their > Domus line of organ. > > THESE WERE MADE BY Intercontiniental. the current COS product is viscount = also. the first imported from italy organ was from GEM.....a relationship that lasted in keyboards until the lady president stuck GEM with millions of = dollars of inventory. cannot wait to see what Arie finds. was not going to do this again and so i will not. dale who plays a Viscount from COS every Sunday.
(back) Subject: Re: Scottish music for organ From: <Georgewbayley@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:56:51 EDT 9 August 2004 While the subject of Scottish organ music is still alive, how about the "Scottish Fantasia" by Will C. McFarlane? It is a 15 minute parade of many = Scottish songs which end with the Sailor's Hornpipe in the manuals played over = "Auld Lang Syne" in the pedal complete with reeds 32, 16, & 8. Check it out. = Your audiences will love it. On a different thread, that of entertainment which appeared elsewhere on = this list, try the "Carmen Suite" arranged by Edwin H. Lemare. It's another 15 minutes of great fun with good music. For a lark, get one of your young, = slender, and attractive sopranos or altos to dress up in a slinky black dress with = a red rose clasped between her teeth and have her enter from the back of the = church and parade down the center aisle during the Habanera. Your audience = will go wild. George