PipeChat Digest #4698 - Tuesday, August 17, 2004
 
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Hurricane Charley
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
RE: Real versus Digital!
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Hurricane Charley
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
RE: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Gaither Band and Organ
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
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Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns
  by <tlevans95@charter.net>
Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Repost: Pipe Organ looking for a new home X-Posted
  by "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET>
Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:39:35 EDT   We plan to be at the Jackson First Methodist Church where Joyce Jones is dedicating the new organ. I hope to see you there. Lee and Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:40:16 EDT   Or is it First Baptist church?  
(back) Subject: Hurricane Charley From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:58:08 -0400   The storm missed me in Worcester Massachusetts, just been raining for 2 days, but it hit my house in Punta Gorda Florida. Ripped half of the roof off, blew my shed and carport away, one palm tree down and water damage inside. The home across the street is GONE. Their couch is in the next yard, and all that is left is the owner's red pickup truck. The street just got cleaned up from fallen trees, but there is no phone or cell phone service, no electricity, no water. This was apparently from a tornado spawned by the hurricane. Needless to say, once I found out after 2 days what happened, I have been on the phone and computer all morning today. The beautiful downtown area of this historic town is a disaster, as are all the "trailer parks". = About 10 deaths in the area. I do have hurricane insurance.   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: RE: Real versus Digital! From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:12:25 +0100   But with the greatest respect, you have not heard the organ for real. = Every single manufacturer of electronic/digital/analogue organs sends out CDs = of their instruments and they ALL sound good. This is because you are = listening to a Recording, and your ears are expecting to hear a recording of an = organ. In my experience, this is the problem with the non-satisfaction of = listening to digital instruments for a long period of time - they sound like RECORDINGS of an organ, not like an organ itself. As I have said many = times before, the reason is that all digitals or electronics issue their sound through a small number of channels and speakers. This simply does not replicate the sound of many thousands of separate pipes in a real instrument. If one duplicated the real organ with a channel and speaker = for each pipe, then maybe a digital with a sufficiently large sample for = each piper, could start to compete with the real thing, but it would probably cost far more than building the equivalent pipe organ.   Will Light Coventry UK     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Bob Conway Sent: 04 August 2004 22:27 To: PipeChat Subject: Real versus Digital!   Not wanting to start the eternal argument, - may I simply suggest that = any=20 one who has doubts about the merits of a digital organ might do worse = that=20 listen to the Epiphany Opus One organ that is now installed in Trinity=20 Church, New York City.   I received the CD this morning, and can only say that it is the nearest = to=20 a pipe organ that I have ever heard. So much so, that I am planning a = trip=20 to New York City in the Fall to hear it for real.   Marshall and Ogletree have done a fine job with their Epiphany Opus One organ.   Bob Conway     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane Charley From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:48:21 EDT   So sorry about your house, Judy. When I lived in Oklahoma in "Tornado = Alley" the only people hurt by them were those in "trailer parks." Do people = ever learn? Lee  
(back) Subject: RE: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:39:23 -0500   First Baptist.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of OMusic@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:40 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2     Or is it First Baptist church?    
(back) Subject: Gaither Band and Organ From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:58:35 EDT   Hi all,   How's that for a topic we'll be dropping very quickly. I was surfing the channels this morning, and stumbled upon one of those thousands of Gaither =   "Homecoming" broadcasts, where they get a hundred famous gospel singers = and after every number, they try to sell you the video and/or recording of this = event.   What grabbed my attention, though, was that they were performing in a huge =   church, which I found out later on was in England. The Organ facade (four =   manual console visible when they took shots from up high) had to have 32's = in it! Stunning woodwork, with two huge circle openings above the console, almost =   like two gigantic eyes. There was never any mention of what church it = was. It had what appeared to be huge wrap around balconies, and on each side there = were windows and what looked like there might be echo organ(s) up there above = the huge balconies.   I kept listening only to see the organ. Every time they tried to picture = the entire vocal group, we got to see the organ also. I could tell by the brevity of these shots that the producer was not pleased (and, according = to the credits at the end, his name was John PIPES!, I'm not kidding). During = the slow ballads, I couldn't help but wonder why they wouldn't use the organ to = fill out and push the congregation to "raise the roof". In talking to my brother = in law recently, he related that at the Gaither performances, they amplify everything, getting louder and louder (he went to one in this area = recently) until you can hardly stand the sound level.   Anyway, the pipe facade and console was a feast for the eyes, and must be = a beautiful sound, as the scaling of the facade was very generous. Maybe = someone in England knows what church that might be.   Devon Hollingsworth, in DeKalb, Illinois, getting ready for a concert September 24, 7:30 p.m., at Christ Church Oak Brook. Multimedia = presentation celebrating more than 2,500 years of organ history and design, in pictures = and live sound.  
(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:13:38 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> > ......Next weekend Rick and I go to Jackson, Mississippi, to the dedication of > the Quimby organ at First Baptist Church. List member Sand Lawn is > joining us there. Therefore, I must be careful not to get arrested for > killing or maiming anyone this week, because I don't want to miss it. > And I hope Tropical Depression No. 5 (a/k/a Earl) doesn't get in my way > - it could get nasty.   I'm not sure whether it's because Oregon is a land without extreme = weather, or because I live a really dull life on a little ex-Christmas tree farm, = or because the Congregational church where I play on Sunday is mostly free = from triumphs and disasters alike (although last week's temperatures in the 90s made me regret having chosen and listed the C. S. Lang Tuba Tune), or because I normally avoid much contact with lawyers (my last employer = having been a lawyer who renounced practice because of having to deal with too = many unpleasant people, but who seemed to have waited too long to leave), or because I admire good writing, but for whatever reason I find Glenda's = epics the best single reason for reading Pipechat.   MAF    
(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:03:35 EDT   Thanks, Glenda. If we make it, we hope to meet you. Lee and Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:08:04 EDT   MAF, I agree. Glenda's reviews are wonderful reading. Lee  
(back) Subject: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:53:04 -0500   Greetings People,   Yea, Monday! Time for some jumping jacks. Or a 2nd or 3rd cup of coffee. And mebbe an ice cream cone to help get going again. Ouch, someone needs more sleep. Anyhow, many thanks to the chatters who = emailed me advise on finding the music to Build Thee More Stately Mansions - apparently it's only available as a vocal solo or anthem; I've ordered the =   solo. Here's my next 'project' -we're in the lucky position of having a flutist (grad, NU) playing for us gratis (almost) most Sundays. So, can anyone recommend a collection for flute descants for the United Methodist Hymnal? I'm using the descants that come with The Faith We Sing, but a collection for the UMH would be invaluable. If no UMH collection of descants is available, other descant collections for C instruments would = be helpful. On 8/8 we sang #348 - Softly & Tenderly Jesus is Calling; and #512 - Stand By Me; I couldn't find descants.. I sometimes use books of free accompaniments (flutist plays soprano or alto line), but the usual collections by T. Tertius Noble and his ilk don't have these and other "American old-fashioned hymns" that are in the Methodist hymnal.   Thanx, you guys! U.R. Gr8t!! ;-) Fran Walker P.S. I emailed the Methodist Musician chat group last week but nothing happened.   *********************************************** Frances M. Walker M.M. Northwestern University Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church 213 Hazel Avenue, Glencoe, IL 60022 847-835-1227; 847-835-1243 (fax) http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns From: <tlevans95@charter.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:25:09 +0000   Doing a simple search found that Abingdon press has the UMH supplement w/ = instrumental descants.   If all esle fails and you just can't find one that someone else has done, = write one yourself, I'd think it should take no more than 10 minutes or so = do do a simple descant.     > > From: Fran Walker <fwalker@northwestern.edu> > Date: 2004/08/16 Mon PM 08:53:04 GMT > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns > > Greetings People, > > Yea, Monday! Time for some jumping jacks. Or a 2nd or 3rd cup of > coffee. And mebbe an ice cream cone to help get going again. Ouch, > someone needs more sleep. Anyhow, many thanks to the chatters who = emailed > me advise on finding the music to Build Thee More Stately Mansions - > apparently it's only available as a vocal solo or anthem; I've ordered = the > solo. Here's my next 'project' -we're in the lucky position of having a =   > flutist (grad, NU) playing for us gratis (almost) most Sundays. So, = can > anyone recommend a collection for flute descants for the United = Methodist > Hymnal? I'm using the descants that come with The Faith We Sing, but a =   > collection for the UMH would be invaluable. If no UMH collection of > descants is available, other descant collections for C instruments would = be > helpful. On 8/8 we sang #348 - Softly & Tenderly Jesus is Calling; and > #512 - Stand By Me; I couldn't find descants.. I sometimes use books = of > free accompaniments (flutist plays soprano or alto line), but the usual > collections by T. Tertius Noble and his ilk don't have these and other > "American old-fashioned hymns" that are in the Methodist hymnal. > > Thanx, you guys! U.R. Gr8t!! ;-) > Fran Walker > P.S. I emailed the Methodist Musician chat group last week but nothing > happened. > > *********************************************** > Frances M. Walker > M.M. Northwestern University > Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church > 213 Hazel Avenue, Glencoe, IL 60022 > 847-835-1227; 847-835-1243 (fax) > http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:51:19 -0700   I have a vague recollection of the Gaither organization putting out orch books of hymns, possibly for Hymns for the Family of God ... certainly with all the mega-churches with orchestras these days, SOMEBODY must be publishing scores and parts. It might be possible to extract C instrument descants from those.   There are SOME descants IN Family of God, and some rather splashy last-verse reharmonizations.   Unfortunately, nobody has ever done a comprehensive index or book of descant (as far as I know) ... mine were all in ENDLESS little booklets and pamphlets ... I always threatened to take Noble, etc., and do one for the Episcopal Hymnal 1940, but I never got a round tuit.   Failing all else, put the alto part up an octave, or the tenor part up two octaves, and play around with that. If your flautist is REALLY good, he/she can probably IMPROVISE descants from the four-part harmonies. I had a couple of baroque flute players who could do that.   Cheers,   Bud   Fran Walker wrote: > Greetings People, > > Yea, Monday! Time for some jumping jacks. Or a 2nd or 3rd cup of > coffee. And mebbe an ice cream cone to help get going again. Ouch, > someone needs more sleep. Anyhow, many thanks to the chatters who > emailed me advise on finding the music to Build Thee More Stately > Mansions - apparently it's only available as a vocal solo or anthem; > I've ordered the solo. Here's my next 'project' -we're in the lucky > position of having a flutist (grad, NU) playing for us gratis (almost) > most Sundays. So, can anyone recommend a collection for flute descants =   > for the United Methodist Hymnal? I'm using the descants that come with =   > The Faith We Sing, but a collection for the UMH would be invaluable. > If no UMH collection of descants is available, other descant collections =   > for C instruments would be helpful. On 8/8 we sang #348 - Softly & > Tenderly Jesus is Calling; and #512 - Stand By Me; I couldn't find > descants.. I sometimes use books of free accompaniments (flutist plays =   > soprano or alto line), but the usual collections by T. Tertius Noble and =   > his ilk don't have these and other "American old-fashioned hymns" that > are in the Methodist hymnal. > > Thanx, you guys! U.R. Gr8t!! ;-) > Fran Walker > P.S. I emailed the Methodist Musician chat group last week but nothing > happened. > > *********************************************** > Frances M. Walker > M.M. Northwestern University > Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church > 213 Hazel Avenue, Glencoe, IL 60022 > 847-835-1227; 847-835-1243 (fax) > http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: RE: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:20:21 -0500   Dang it, Michael, my head has swelled to the point I can't get out of the house! I'll have to save this post to read when I'm really low and the lawn mowers AND the Massey Ferguson are kaput.   Thank you, for whatever reason.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who drove the tractor 3 hours Sunday during church time)          
(back) Subject: Re: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2 From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:35:51 -0700   Well, I thought a bit of public recognition would be a good thing. (The sages of the list are frequently hailed; why not the kvetches?)   On the other hand, I swear by my so far quasi-indestructible John Deere mower. (Not a riding model, although I think it cost enough that it ought = to be.)   MAF   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [LONG] Lawn mowers, middle age and pilgrimages, Part 2 of 2     > Dang it, Michael, my head has swelled to the point I can't get out of > the house! I'll have to save this post to read when I'm really low and > the lawn mowers AND the Massey Ferguson are kaput. > > Thank you, for whatever reason. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > (who drove the tractor 3 hours Sunday during church time) > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Repost: Pipe Organ looking for a new home X-Posted From: "Charlie Jack" <Charlie@Jack.NET> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:47:30 -0400   I posted the following back in late April. Although there have been several inquiries the organ is still unclaimed. The organ is located in Watertown Massachusetts at the intersection of Mt. Auburn Ave and Common Street. It is a nice stone edifice that was once a Baptist Church. The developer who purchased the church originally had hoped to have it out in July but he is behind schedule so the organ is still intact looking for a taker. He has expressed a very strong desire to keep it intact rather than break it up or worse still, scrap it. I have a few photos of the organ that can be viewed at www.ed.jack.net/PipeOrgan/Photos.   The following is essentially the original announcement of the organs availability.   Please contact me at Charlie@Jack.NET if you have questions about the organ itself or the developer at Badrigian@MSN.COM if you wish to schedule a visit to view it. I can also be reached by phone at (508)-254-5925:eves or (781)-482-1215: days.     Charlie Jack       The following pipe organ is looking for a new home. It is in a church that has been purchased by a developer who will convert it to condominiums. The organ has to go. He had listed it through the Organ Clearing House at $16,000.00 but had no serious takers at that price. He is now offering the instrument for free providing the taker remove it from the church.   Builder: Original Builder unknown, Rebuilt in 60's by Roy Carlson (we believe)   Action: EP, Three manuals and pedal in detached console. The chests are Pittman with direct electric offsets.   Approximate size: 30' W x 20' high by 7' deep. Has non playing facade pipes.   Swell: 8' Gedeckt 8' Gamba 8' Gamba Celeste 4' Prestant III Scharff 16' Fagot 8' Trumpet 4' Hautbois (ext 16') Tremulant 16' Swell to Swell Swell unison off 4' Swell to Swell   Great: 8' Principal 8' Bourdon 4' Octave 2 2/3' Twelfth 2' Fifteenth III Fourniture Tremulant Chimes 16' Great to Great Great unison off 4' Great to Great 16' Swell to Great (other couplers not recorded)   Choir: 8' Viole de Gambe 8' Dolcan 8' Rohrflote (No 13-61 open wood) 2' 2/3 Nazard 2' Piccolo 1 3/5' Tierce Tremulant 16' Choir to Choir Choir Unison Off 4' Choir to Choir 16' Swell to Choir (other couplers not recorded)   Pedal: 32' Resultant 16' Principal 16' Bourdon 16' Lieblich Bourdon (ext. Swell) 8' Octave (ext) 8' Flute (ext) 4' Choral Bass (ext) 2' Principal (ext) 16' Fagot (Swell) Chimes 8' Swell to Pedal 4' Swell to Pedal 8' Great to Pedal 8' Choir to Pedal   The organ seems to be in decent shape and when we visited was playable although it had a few ciphers of couple of which cleared when we cleaned out some dirt and reseated the offending pipe.   I am merely an intermediary here but would be happy to see the instrument find a new home rather than turn into scrap wood and metal. The late Berj Zamkochian played it some years ago for a friend's wedding and stated that it was a fine instrument.   If interested please contact me and I will answer what questions I can and put put you in touch with the developer who can arrange an inspection.   Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET (508)-254-5925:eves (781)-482-1215:days   -- Charlie Jack Charlie@Jack.NET  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for flute descants to Methodist hymns From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:22:00 EDT   You can do a descant by playing the tenor line an octave higher with the flute or a recorder. We have done that at one church who had a good = recorder player. It was quite effective. Lee