PipeChat Digest #4710 - Sunday, August 22, 2004
(Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 01
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: Pipe/digital combinations
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
(Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 02
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
(Somewhat off topic) Newcomer 03
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
(somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
Re: (somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: (somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Non-speaking speakers (Was Dig/El Combos)
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
RE: No sweet guys...i mean ligitamate ORGAN voluntaries
  by "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com>
Re: why there are no organists
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>

(back) Subject: (Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 01 From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:30:35 -0400   PART 01 Recien llegado!   Exactly a week ago, Sunday August 15th, Venezuela faced the biggest political challenge of the last years: A Referendum if President Chavez, whose goal is to convert Venezuela in a second Cuba and extend the Revolution across whole Latin America, would remain in charge or not.   Chavez won. I spare my comments. Venezuela is definitely down the drain with that result, and a True Servant will remain in the United States = until further notice. Too many people in my native country know that I am = against Chavez=92 regime as to be advisable to get back to Caracas again. I have = seen too many things (and heard about too many things which happened last week in Caracas, and which are not broadcasted in the news) to have the slightest illusion about a future in Venezuela. That=92s the hard, cold = fact, and so here I am.   The next step is to wait what the US- immigration Service will say to = that, of course. I made my Status Change application and, meanwhile, I am a =93Recien llegado=94, which means =93Just arrived=94, or =93newcomer=94; = and alike all newcomers I must work my way up, mostly on my own.   South Florida! Fun under the Sun! The proverbial Mosquito finally was eradicated and a fast development is on way. Hispano-American immigrants conform most of the population. As usual in the United States, the immigrating generation speaks Spanish and still mclings to certain customs of their old country, but the generation who grew up here speaks perfect English and is completely integrated. The Immigrants themselves can be divided into two groups: Group A clings to their native countries, are eager to hear the latest news, see the latest soap-operas and discusses about politics and happenings there, and Group B makes a clean cut and starts to integrate to their adoptive country. I belong to the second group. My problem is not Chavez anymore but how to do to gat started here and achieve the Iron Goal I=92ve set to myself: To become a Pipe Organ Builder and Restorer in this country, and help to carry on the Pipe Organ Culture.   To be ctd... First was the cat, then was the orgler. The orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/digital combinations From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:41:20 -0400   Hi John, Though your point is well taken concerning facades, I think perhaps this discussion might be best described by the practice of placing speakers within chambers which still contain some normal, though non speaking pipework. Since this is all quite unscientific, the quality of this pipework seems rather inconsequential, but the idea is that there will be some sympathetic resonance from the pipes in response to the speakers, and this may add a measure of character to the resulting sound. It has been suggested that this "character" helps limit the otherwise completely sterile sound of the digital voices. The pipework in this case need not be in a facade. Mike Gettelman   John Speller wrote:   > What strikes me as particularly heretical about this > thought is that it has generally been the custom to > make the facade pipes the most beautiful ones -- > making them of tin or covering them with gold leaf or > stenciling them or even embossing them -- whether > they are speaking or non-speaking pipes. And you > want to use recycled cheap ones? John > Speller <rggreene2@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Hi Jim and Richard, > > O, heretical thought - does that mean that > it might be good to install > some non-speaking (i.e. used and > inexpensive) pipework for facades, > etc. in all-digital installations, just to > improve the sound? >    
(back) Subject: (Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 02 From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:43:54 -0400   Part 02 Greenhorns, High Tech and more   =93Do you know what a Greenhorn is?=94 With this simple phrase starts one of the best and largest Far West = Stories of the Literature: =93Winnetou=94, by Karl May. Newcomers to the U.S. at = that time were called so.   Now I am such a Greenhorn :). I come not from a different world but from = a different Planet. I face a High Tech Culture of an amazing level which = goes up and up at an amazing rate everyday. Organs are a typical example for that. Three weeks ago I visited an Organ where the Pipe Section and the Digital section must be used separately because they never stay in tune together. Last week I visited an organ where both sections stay perfectly in tune, but you still distinguish the =93real=94 from the =93digital=94 = sound if you are acquainted with organs. Today I visited a third organ which was recently upgraded and where it was sheer impossible to distinguish the digital stops from the real ones. I am referring to: an older Allen in the St Mark=92s LC in Miami; the organ by the =93Unknown Organ Builder=94 at = First Presbyterian Church of Pompano Beach, and the Rufatti-Rodgers designed by the legendary Diane Bish at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Ft Lauderdale. What happens with the Organs happens with Computers, cars, home = appliances, Banking and Internet. Telecommunication Services are offered from which we only could dream in Venezuela; and several more which we never could imagine of too. The efficiency is amazing (for me). A thing I still enjoy as a miracle is that the mail arrives in no time- I got my mail from the AIO in two days. In Venezuela I still was waiting for the March issue of the JAO when I departed last July 6th...   The proverbial Big Size is another thing I must get used to :) That begins with the Nature. The lightning storms are spectacular in South Florida, = and I enjoy the beautiful big sparks (the appliances don=92t). The heaviest rainfall in Venezuela is a gentle sprinkling in comparison with the rainfalls here, which convert our car into a submarine :) and force us to pull aside the road until it=92s over. As all my readers know, the largest Organ in Venezuela is a II/40, and I played the fourth largest organ of the country, a II/24 :). Here I stand = in front of a IV/90, a V/70 and bigger ones in awe, and my goal to become an organ tech seems to be more far away then ever :) since maintenance work only will be possible with a crew =96 outside a solid practical knowledge = in electronics and typical American organ building features. The latter can = be solved with aid of the AIO, but until my new business firm gets big enough to hire personnel a time will go by.   My two biggest concerns: How to get used to the language and the traffic laws was surprisingly easy in comparison. The first didn=92t take me by surprise too much :), but the second certainly did. Venezuela dwindles in anarchy, most traffic lights are out of order, and Stop Signs were eliminated and substituted by rather imprecise regulations about who has = to stop at an intersection. Driving in Caracas relies on guesswork, common sense and defensive driving. Driving in the USA relies on exactly the same we did instinctively in the =93Old country=94 :)- but clearly expressed in = well visible traffic signs.   (to be ctd) First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: (Somewhat off topic) Newcomer 03 From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:53:46 -0400     Part 03 Sweet Chariot   With this I come to my car. It=92s a typical newcomer=92s car history :). = For two months I had a rented car, but now I have one of my own, and suddently I am back to my Student days when I got my First Car, a 1955 Pontiac. <G> Since I cannot cough up 5000 bucks for a car, a car(e)ful study was done before I ventured into this. I watched out for a) which brand were the = most of the accidented cars at the roadside; b) which car is said to be the = most economic; c) I used four different rental cars in this time to see which one fits best to me; and d) I watched out what brand of older cars is most often seen running the freeway. Enough to say: Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera 1992 won, and soon enough I got = one of these- for 500 bucks. Engine fine, transmission fine, only routine maintenance necessary, so it seemed. It was so cheap because the Air Condition is beyond repair. No complaints, Andres! :) You are a Newcomer, and newcomers face hard times! :) Keep the windows open and get some fresh air! :) Soon enough I had to find out that the A/C isn=92t the only problem on my =93new=94 car. I baptized the vehicle =93My Sweet Chariot=94 because the = shock absorbers are down and every time I pass a ditch in the way I am reminded to the old Spiritual =93Swing Low, Swing Low, sweet Chariot=94. LOL.   The car has other tricks however. Coming back from Coral Ridge Presbyterian, suddenly, at a crossing, the motor went off. I restarted it but every time I shifted to =93Drive=94, the motor went off again. = Tableau! What's the cause? I am used to my =9279 Wagoneer from which I know all = do=92s and don=92ts, but this is a =9292 front wheel drive / fuel injection with dozens of electronic gadgets. In this adventure, I learned a lot about the Good Will of the People here. It was really touching. Immediately a man pulled my car aside the road. A Police Officer came by, asking if I needed Road Assistance. Since I got a comprehensive list of road assistance mechanics from friends who live here (and had similar experiences with THEIR first cars!) and already had = called one, I denied politely, and the officer went away without any further question. I breathed! Venezuelan police officers ask routinely for DL and Car Papers and start a fuss about =93blocking the traffic=94. Meanwhile I = was waiting for the mechanic, two more people stopped to ask if I needed help, and two young ladies handed me over a glass with ice-cold water. I very appreciated that because the whole affair happened at 2,00 pm. Finally the mechanic arrived, and, tableau again!, the car started smooth and shifted smooth and was okay and happy. The engine had cooled down=85 = the sinner is one of the electronic modules in the transmission. The man bypassed it, asked me to come by to his shop to fix the affair tomorrow, and charged 10 bucks. I gave him 20 since he had come up from Hialeah, a good bunch of miles away from my accident place. Having no car in Caracas is annoying, here it=92s a catastrophe...   (to be ctd) First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet, and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: (somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:00:20 -0400   Part 04 Faith!   A newcomer can get lots of help and good will, but certainly hangs in the air until getting organized. In such a situation one only can rely on faith, courage and instinct. I learned how to get oriented in the Miami-Broward area where I live (I already wrote about this in an earlier mail), and became an assiduous churchgoer (never had the chance in Caracas where I always was in a = church, <G>). And certainly I am touring the churches not only for the organs. Every two Sundays I visit another one, and getting a comparison between them is a unique experience. With this, one develops a sort of sixth sense if something will be OK or not. And I am sure that, once I get over the difficult first times I will do fine here. I like this, and every day I learn something new. I am taking my adventures with humor and enjoy my =93new country=94 a lot. Certainly I have "ditches"as every newcomer has. I miss my wife like crazy =96 we agreed that she will remain in Caracas until my legal situation = here clears up. I miss my friends. I often ask myself when I will be in the organ business again although my corporation has the proud name =93A G = Organ Services=94. But certainly I will come through!   Since tomorrow I will move to a place where there is no PC (and PC rents are amazingly expensive here) this will be my last long mail for a time although I will keep in touch with the List. Please note down following mailing address:   14359 MIRAMAR PARKWAY # 267 MIRAMAR, FL 33027 4134   Phone (cellular) 1-786 319 3799   My email address remains the same: rgunther@cantv.net   I will be in NY for the AIO convention.      
(back) Subject: Re: (somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:54:26 -0400   > Since tomorrow I will move to a place where there is no PC (and PC > rents are amazingly expensive here) this will be my last long mail > for a time although I will keep in touch with the List.   You should be able to access your email from library computers. In Canada, all libraries have computers that anyone can use free.   I think you would go to this url:   http://www.cantv.net/   and maybe click "Revisa tu correo" near the top (if Babel-fish makes sense ... it translates it as "It reviews your mail")      
(back) Subject: Re: (somewhat off topic) Newcomer 04, last part From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:57:27 -0400     I think "Correo web" is probably the correct link for your email      
(back) Subject: Non-speaking speakers (Was Dig/El Combos) From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:20:07 -0600   What if we placed un-powered loud speakers in front of speaking pipes? Would the Pipe Organ sound electronic? :)     David E   David Evangelides   (Sent by wireless T-Mobile Sidekick)  
(back) Subject: RE: No sweet guys...i mean ligitamate ORGAN voluntaries From: "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:30:48 -0500   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part
(back) Subject: Re: why there are no organists From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:33:48 -0400   Shelley, Far too many people are doing just that - playing for free. So churches don't have to put anything in the budget for music. Why should churches = get away with not paying musicians even tho they have to pay the plumber, the florist, etc..... Merry   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: Re: why there are no organists     I guess I fail to see what this proves. But maybe I missed the point entirely.   For part-time jobs, I didn't see anything too horrible. There was one that mentioned a starting salary of $30,000. Even if that's full time, what so wrong with that? A beginning teacher is lucky to make that much!   I continue to say that if you're looking to get rich, church music is not the place for you. You should have picked a different major in college. = And I hope that never changes for me. I would like to think that I'd play for free (horrors!) if a church approached me and didn't have enough money to pay a musician, but wanted music in their worship service. Some of us = aren't in it to get rich, some of us are in it for the ministry.   Respectfully, Shelley   >>> quilisma@cox.net 08/19/04 12:02 PM >>> Here is a sampling of jobs posted on the San Diego AGO website. Note the duties, hours per week, and the salaries (if given).   Apparently prep time isn't taken into consideration.   Cheers,   Bud   ---------------------------------------------------   DIRECTOR OF MUSIC   Our ever-growing 700-member family church with a strong tradition of music and liturgy seeks a part-time, experienced organist/keyboardist and director for adult choir (with paid section leaders) to start as soon as possible. Salary in the $20K+ range. Send resume to Music Director Search Committee, St. Andrew's Episcopal Church, 890 Balour Drive, Encinitas, CA 92024, fax to (760) 753-3017, or email as text, PDF, or Word document to contact@standrewsepiscopal.org Job Description   Position     Director Of Music   Reports To     Rector, Fr. Wesley Hills   Normal Place of Work     St. Andrew's Episcopal Church, Encinitas, CA   Overall     To co-ordinate the total music program of the church, and to provide choral direction and keyboard accompaniment, in a manner that enhances the spirit of worship and assists the congregation to praise and serve = God.   Remuneration     In the region of $20,000 per year.   Benefits     Six weeks of paid leave, agreed and arranged in advance with the Rector.   Work Hours     Part-time position. Includes, but is not limited to:   - Adult Choir rehearsals at St. Andrew's on Thursday evenings and before choral services on Sunday.   - Preparation for, playing at, and tidying-up after, choral services on Sunday and other seasonal observances as directed.   - Administration of Adult Choir.   - Attendance at monthly Worship Committee meetings, and occasional staff and Vestry meetings upon request.   Starting     As soon as possible Outline   St. Andrew's Episcopal Church has a well-established and active church community of over 700 people, which continues to grow every year. Currently, there are three main services each week:   - An alternative music service on Saturday evening attended by about 40-50 people.   - A said Eucharist at 8.00 a.m. on Sunday, attended by about 20-30 parishioners.   - A choral Family Eucharist at 10:00 a.m. on Sunday attended by about 250 parishioners (about 400 on main Feast Days), including 70 children coming in from Sunday School part way through the service.   St. Andrew's has three choirs: the Cherub Choir for young children, and the Young People's Choir for older children (each having its own Director), and the Adult Choir. The Adult Choir has about 20 members, with four paid section leaders.   The two primary responsibilities of the Director of Music is the Adult Choir, and the musical and choral facets of the 10:00 a.m. Sunday service. Liturgical Duties   - Select music (hymns and anthems) for the worship service appropriate to lectionary themes and liturgical season.   - Provide keyboard accompaniment for any choral service and seasonal observance.   - Select, prepare, and play preludes and postludes at any choral service and seasonal observances.   - Plan special liturgies in co-operation with the Rector and the Worship Committee.   - Work with parishioners and their families in the selection and performance of music at special events such as weddings and funerals. An honorarium is typically given for this.   - Stimulate congregational participation in music, and teaching new music to members in worship as requested.   - Field parishioners' questions and concerns related to music and choir matters. Administrative Duties   - Submit a list of the music selections for each choral service in a timely manner to the church office.   - Proofread the music listings in service bulletins.   - Prepare music budget and manages music line items.   - Submit requisitions for printed music, supplies and choir = robes.   - Participate in Worship Committee meetings. Attend Vestry and staff meetings upon request.   - Arrange for instrument maintenance, repair, and tuning.   - Co-ordinate music performances with the Young People's and Cherub Choir directors.   - Promote the growth and stability of all choirs, and lend support to musicians who play at any service.   - Arrange for, and prepare detailed instructions for, temporary or substitute organists and/or piano players as required.   - Maintain the music library.   - Write relevant music news items for the monthly church newsletter and/or for service bulletins.   - Manage the St. Cecilia's fund and any associated activity. Adult Choir Duties   - Audition, hire, train, and supervise section leaders.   - Submit monthly pay requests in a timely manner to the church Office for section leaders.   - Develop the musical skills of Adult Choir members through weekly rehearsals, coaching, etc.   - Direct the Adult Choir for any Sunday choral service, and for all seasonal observances (for example, Advent, Christmas, Lent, and Holy Week).   - Nurture choir members and work at team-building among the = group.   - Work with current members to recruit new members.   - Maintain roster of choir members, including addresses, contact telephone numbers and e-mail addresses, vestment and music assignments.   - Contact members who are absent, ill, or in crisis. Music Education and Outreach   - Plan and direct special concerts and/or services as determined by the Rector and relevant musicians.   - Plan and distribute publicity materials for such events.   - Notify the parish of special music events and opportunities in the community. Continuing Education   - Study and practice to further develop music skills.   - Maintain membership in relevant professional organization and serve on professional committees and commissions as appropriate.   - Attend conferences of relevant professional organizations to promote personal growth, networking with colleagues to share ideas and concerns. Other Duties   Other duties may be assigned by the Rector from time to time. Skills Required   - Knowledge of both choral and keyboard church music appropriate for traditional Choral Eucharist.   - Ability to play piano and organ proficiently and to improve appropriately.   - Instructional competency in teaching music to volunteer singers of all ages, along with paid section leaders.   - Understanding of liturgy's meaning and the role of music in worship services.   - Appreciation for the worship style and music of the various services in this parish.     ----------------------------------------------------------   Graham Memorial Presbyterian 959 C Avenue Coronado, CA 92118   Provide leadership and direction for the music program of the church involving Chancel Choir with section leaders, Youth Choirs, Kirk Handbell Ringers and "The Ensemble." Part time position, approx. 20 hours per week. Please send resumes to the church, attention Personnel Committee.   ----------------------------------------------------------------   First United Methodist Church of Chula Vista. Rehearsals on Monday and Thursday nights; up to 3 worship services on Sundays, some computer expertise; Christmas, Easter and early summer programs, other services as required. Some experience in contemporary praise and worship music needed. Salary negotiable around $30,000/year. Please direct all inquiries and send resumes to Carolyn Terpstra c/o the church at 915 Paseo Ranchero, Chula Vista, CA 91910-7728   -----------------------------------------------------------------------   St.Patrick's Church; Carlsbad, CA Position available in an active family parish of 3,600 members. Responsibilities include Sunday liturgies with choir (Thursday rehearsal) and special liturgies as needed. Candidate should be highly skilled organist/pianist familiar with Catholic liturgy (both traditional and contemporary styles of music). Reports to Director of Music and works collaboratively with staff musicians. Music degree or equivalent experience required. Salary ($13,000 to $15,000) commensurate with qualifications and experience. Funerals and weddings extra. 2 Manuel Allen. Send r=E9sum=E9 to Kathleen O'Brien, Director of Music, kobrien@miracosta.edu or call 760.722.0565 for further information.   ---------------------------------------------------------------           ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" 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