PipeChat Digest #4712 - Monday, August 23, 2004
 
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
Re: Visiting New York
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Dumb vs. Speaking Facades
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Visiting New York
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "Erradicating" "illigitamate" orthography
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
eradicating misspellings (was Erradicating illigitamate music from librar
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Visiting New York
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Visiting New York
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
New York Organs
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: New York Organs
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: why there are no organists
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: eradicating misspellings (was Erradicating illigitamate music from li
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
Re: Visiting New York
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: (Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 01
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
RE: DIANE is back in Boston
  by "Ken Gilliard" <ken@firstpresorange.org>
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
Re: Visiting New York
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Felix Hell
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Felix Hell
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).
  by <PMMGBOB@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 06:56:09 EDT   BISH.  
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:48:51 EDT   Bud lists some of the organs to be seen and heard in NYC... I heartily second his recommendation to go see and hear the big Mander at =   St. Ignatius church...it is a magnificent instrument. St. Patrick's Cathedral is a great instrument in a great room...yes, not = as Kilgen left it, but still quite fun. After the rebuild, there are a few things that I would have done differently--I personally don't like having = two sets of flute celestes on the Choir manual and a couple of string celestes = on the Swell, I personally like to "mix and match" and put one of each on the = Swell and Choir, for different accompanimental and solo effects, but it's not = like there aren't enough other strings on that organ--and they have invited me =   back to play another recital in May, so I'm not going to complain too = loudly!!! Brick Presbyterian is getting a new, large Casavant, but I'm not sure what = the expected installation is. I personally love the Skinner at Riverside, but that's because I grew up listening to recordings of Virgil, so it's got memories. Since the = acoustics have been redone, it really blooms a lot more. St. Bartholomew's is the largest organ in the city, at 225 ranks. (I think = that's the correct number.) There are also organs such as St. Peter's Lutheran, St.Luke's Lutheran = that I have not heard, but I'm told are quite nice. Alan Freed can talk more intelligently about those instruments. I'm sure that there are some very nice moderate sized organs, too...NYC doesn't just have monsters! (but who am I to talk about large = instruments?!) Monty Bennett Friendship Baptist Church Charlotte, NC  
(back) Subject: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:48:48 EDT   If the facade pipes are all fake, it is best, for the sake of consistency, = to have the choir sing from behind a row of mannequins.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:54:11 EDT   Why not attend the 31st Annual Convention of the American Institute of Organbuilders? Lectures on organbuilding, history, and design, as well as = private demonstrations of some of the area's notable instruments.   September 28 trhough October 1, 2004   Timely registration discount of your registration arrives before August = 31.   http://www.pipeorgan.org   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: "Erradicating" "illigitamate" orthography From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:59:40 EDT   Edwin H. Lemare   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:02:34 EDT   The reference is possibly to Diane Bish. It could also be referring to Diane Misty Divine, who USED to be a steel worker named Bob Jackson, who, following a midlife crisis, now lives as an =   aardvark breeder in South Boston.   ..  
(back) Subject: eradicating misspellings (was Erradicating illigitamate music from library) From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:12:18 -0500   To think we now have TWO lousy spellers on this list bantering back and = forth is quite something. In charity and for the record, I give you the = two names under discussion. Look at them closely and get them right.   EDMOND LEMAIGRE   EDWIN LEMARE   For your own good, you should please get out of the habit of misspelling = people's names. I hope this disregard does not extend to your service = leaflets and recital programs. Thank you, Robert Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: T.Desiree' Hines=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Erradicating illigitamate music from library     NO...I LOVE LaMare...and his music is some of what i play at my church = now.=20 but there was a composer EDWARD LAMAIGRE as well. WOnderful service = music. After college i will do an anthology of stuff, and dedicate it to = a good friend, who is a lister here (You know who you are-wink).     --------------------------------- I hope you didn't mean Edward LaMere, the great 19th/20th century = composer/arranger which is so much in vogue once again? Please retrieve = it from the trash if you still can!! Sell it on EBAY!!   Dale G. Rider  
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:03:17 -0400   On 8/22/04 10:32 PM, "Mura Kievman" <mkievman@nyc.rr.com> wrote:   > <Temple Emmanuel, this is truly a marvelous experience of worship. You > MUST hear the cantor, whose name escapes me at the moment.> >=20 > Lori Corsson. >=20 And, without being precise about titles, the organ is tended (to put it ver= y mildly) by Sebastian Mattheus Gl=FCck of this list, and generally played by Hunter Tillman or Pedro d'Aquino.   As for other organs, consider a newish French-Canadian instrument at Holy? Trinity RC, upper west side; another fine Mander tracker at St. Agnes RC, 43rd and Lexington; and a Klais tracker at St. Peter's Lutheran, midtown. For a cinema instrument, go to Radio City Music Hall.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:12:12 -0400   On 8/22/04 11:29 PM, "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > There is a charming small 3m Holtkamp in Corpus Christi RC Church up by > Columbia University, in a lovely Georgian chapel. > Which reminds me of St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia University, which may = still have a weekly recital at noon.   And (Episcopal) Church of the Heavenly Rest on Fifth Ave.   And a nice newish chapel organ from Canada at Brick Presbyterian on Park Ave.   Holy Trinity Lutheran, 65th and Central Park West is fine. Rich Erickson, organist.   Is it a Rieger at Holy Trinity Episcopal on the upper east side, played by Stephen Hamilton.   Perhaps you'd consider extending your visit?   Alan    
(back) Subject: New York Organs From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:49:48 -0500   Isn't the biggest extant Odell, the 3-decker at St. Charles Borromeo in New York City? That's one I'd like to see/hear! IIRC...........of course!   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Re: New York Organs From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:49:53 -0400   It's under contract for restoration by Ed Odell and the resurrected Odell firm. I am not sure if work has yet begun. This is a happy development on several fronts. The acoustic of the building is entirely worthy, if I remember correctly. It has been a long time since I visited, but I recall being deeply impressed by the instrument. Anthony will, of course, need a proper visa to enter Brooklyn, and should prepare to have some proficiency in the language.   At the Baltimore OHS Convention some years ago, we heard Bruce Stevens = play a stunning recital on an equally stunning old Odell at Corpus Christi Church, another magnificent example of the firm's work. I certainly wish only the best for Ed and his company at reviving a great old name in American Organbuilding.   Cheerily,   Malcolm Wechsler - who, after a long bout with an unstoppable and unimaginably bad cold in the head, throat, ears, and just about anywhere else possible, hopes to get back to getting on with the OHS reports. I had my first complete night's sleep last night, since the end of OHS and POE. The following story is awful, even gross - stop now if sensitive! When I = was at St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Ontario, a new "Coffee House" opened = down the block, and a number of us choir people paid a visit one evening after rehearsal. There was a singer/pianist entertaining at an old upright, and = he said, and I do quote: "I want to apologize for my sloppy performances over the last couple of weeks. I have had an awful cold, and my nose kept dripping and my fingers kept slipping all over the keys." Should I try = that in my church newsletter soon to go out? (I did warn you not to read any further!)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: New York Organs     > Isn't the biggest extant Odell, the 3-decker at St. Charles Borromeo in > New York City? That's one I'd like to see/hear! IIRC...........of > course! > > Dennis Steckley > > "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: why there are no organists From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:49:20 -0500   Haven't we been through this a few times already? I'd love to play for free, but unlike serving or reading I have had to put money into my education. If churches are not able to pay well, then they shouldn't expect people with degrees in church music/organ/choral conducting or whatever, but pianist church members.   And people do work for churches for free. At my parish almost everything that is done is volunteer work.   Alicia Zeilenga "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:33:48 -0400 Subject: Re: why there are no organists   > Shelley, > Far too many people are doing just that - playing for free. So > churches > don't have to put anything in the budget for music. Why should > churches get > away with not paying musicians even tho they have to pay the plumber, > the > florist, etc..... > Merry >      
(back) Subject: Re: eradicating misspellings (was Erradicating illigitamate music from library) From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:08:55 -0700 (PDT)   Thank you very much. Last Thursday was the first time I had seen the music = of EDMOND LEMAIGRE, so I do appreciate your = cordially....cordially...correcting it for me. As I get to know his music = more, I'm quite positive that the correct spelling will stick with me.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out!
(back) Subject: Re: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:56:15 +0800   Well, there goes the morning coffee! (Thanks a lot!)   How does all this work with theatre organs and Hammonds?   ----- Original Message ----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:48:48 EDT To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades   > If the facade pipes are all fake, it is best, for the sake of consistency= , to=20 > have the choir sing from behind a row of mannequins. >=20 > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > http://www.glucknewyork.com/ >=20 > . >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm   >  
(back) Subject: Re: Dumb vs. Speaking Facades From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:03:07 -0500   At 12:56 PM 8/23/2004, you wrote: >How does all this work with theatre organs and Hammonds?   Since neither has facades....that is a different discussion.   Jon        
(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:37:10 EDT   It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents may be limited, = she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe organ somewhat. And I = daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after the Teutonic Tyke about = whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ aficionados obsess about nowadays = has been recognized flash in the pan that he is.... ELucas  
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:55:56 EDT     > Holy Trinity Lutheran, 65th and Central Park West is fine. Rich = Erickson, > organist.   Has he not gone to Marble Collegiate Church? I MAY be mistaken.   Neil Brown  
(back) Subject: Re: (Somewhat off topic) Newcomer part 01 From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:11:09 EDT   Andres,   You should feel very comfortable in Florida. I will hold my tongue about = what I think of your politics, as it is not germane to this list. You can = simply assume that I am exercising a great deal of restraint by not making a = political statement in response. Which for me is as painful as a bad tooth, but I = try to be a gentleman.   Good luck, and I hope you find the grass greener, especially in the organ field.   Pax, Bill H. Boston        
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish). From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:13:05 -0400   At 04:37 PM 8/23/2004, ELucas wrote: >It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents may be = limited, >she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe organ somewhat. And I >daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after the Teutonic Tyke >about whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ aficionados obsess >about nowadays has been recognized flash in the pan that he is.... >ELucas   If you are referring to Felix Hell, why on earth do you not refer to him = by his name? "Teutonic Tyke" is so very disparaging, it's much too derogatory. Say what you will about him, but at least be up front about = it.   I personally think that Felix Hell is a talented organist, who is from = time to time guided by his head, - but at the age of nineteen, most of us were! I cannot agree that he is a flash in the pan.   He will mature, - but give him his proper due regard. There is no need = for making derogatory comments.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish). From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:24:17 EDT   Actually "Teutonic Tyke" is rather mild, and hardly as derogatory as you make it out to be. And we shall indeed see.... ELucas  
(back) Subject: RE: DIANE is back in Boston From: "Ken Gilliard" <ken@firstpresorange.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:24:49 -0700   Who p-d in your cornflakes?   KGilliard     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of PMMGBOB@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:37 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston     It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents may be limited, she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe organ somewhat. And I daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after the Teutonic Tyke about whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ aficionados obsess about nowadays has been recognized flash in the pan that he is....   ELucas    
(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:27:57 EDT   Actually I am on Atkins so no cornflakes here....  
(back) Subject: Re: Visiting New York From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:28:18 -0400   On 8/23/04 4:55 PM, "Innkawgneeto@cs.com" <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> wrote:   >> Holy Trinity Lutheran, 65th and Central Park West is fine. Rich Erickso= n, >> organist. =20 >>=20 > Has he not gone to Marble Collegiate Church? I MAY be mistaken. >=20 > Neil Brown=20   Oh, Neil, I think you=B9re surely confusing him with someone else. Unless I=B9= m horribly deceived, he=B9s quite attached to Holy Trinity. However: Things d= o happen. Both are decent benches, of course; but Marble is no BETTER than Holy Trinity, I think. And the repertorial difference would surely be a shock (I THINK!) .   Holy Trinity is in the process of calling a new pastor; that=B9s an appropriate time to jump ship. But the question is MAJOR. I shall dispatc= h a mole or two in the next hour and see what I can find out!   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish). From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:11:07 -0400   Dear Bob, I have to agree that Felix Hell deserves a pat on the back for his = discipline in his studies and his ability to attract the young to the = instrument. Yes much has been made of his prodigy, sometimes I too tire = of it but then who cannot but admire someone so young being able to = perform in front of the toughest critics of the music world. You must = admit that most of the organ academia seem to suffer from a need to have = perfection in those younger than themselves or even those who did not go = the academia route but I believe it stems more from jealousy than he = being an upstart. I can also philosophize as I think back as to what my = chances would have been if I had stuck to the organ and continued with = music rather than following an engineering discipline. I also know that = I could be one of many starving organists whose income fall below the = poverty line in this country as opposed to where I am today. One cannot = have it all but one must admire those who excell at something that I can = only dream of.=20 Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Conway=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish).     At 04:37 PM 8/23/2004, ELucas wrote:   It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents may be = limited, she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe organ somewhat. = And I daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after the Teutonic = Tyke about whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ aficionados = obsess about nowadays has been recognized flash in the pan that he = is.... ELucas   If you are referring to Felix Hell, why on earth do you not refer to = him by his name? "Teutonic Tyke" is so very disparaging, it's much too = derogatory. Say what you will about him, but at least be up front about = it.   I personally think that Felix Hell is a talented organist, who is from = time to time guided by his head, - but at the age of nineteen, most of = us were! I cannot agree that he is a flash in the pan.   He will mature, - but give him his proper due regard. There is no = need for making derogatory comments.   Bob Conway       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/2004
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:31:33 -0700   Those who can, DO; those who can't, tear down those who CAN. Now I remember why I never went to Guild meetings ... organists can be such EVIL b*****s.   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:30:46 -0400       On 23 Aug 2004 at 17:27, PMMGBOB@aol.com expounded:   > Actually I am on Atkins so no cornflakes here.... >   ...... and apparently too many vegetables that are turning you green......   --Shirley        
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish). From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:33:38 EDT   ELucas,   Opnions are fine, but I'd recommend that we watch it on the references to ethnicity. What if you'd said "(fill in your favorite ethinc or racial = slur here)" instead, were it applicable? WHY, oh why is a person's ethnic = bacground an appropriate way to make an oblique reference?   There are better ways to be Wildean wit than resorting to mentioning a person's ethnic background as part of a back-handed complement (or = insult).   And some of us with misleading names have Central European (including Austro-German) roots, and were also wunderkinder (though myself as a = composer and conductor, not as an organist). What's next, a bad review of the next = "Frog" sensation out of France, or perhaps a German Jew from Israel as "Teutonic = Kike"?   Please lay off the ethnicity thing.   Food for thought.   Pax Tecum,   Bill H. Boston.    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:37:32 EDT   oh, please. That "those who can" crap is nothing but brazen sophistry, One = needn't be a genius at a particular discipline oneself to have knowledge, =   acumen, and sharp critical faculties. I have felt since I first heard the = young man that there are merely a lot of notes. Occasionally there is a glimpse = of musicality. Knowing the preferences of so many organ aficionados one cannot but = wonder if a young female prodigy of equal abilities would-er -excite such interest. BTW I have attended 2 Guild meetings in my life and found them to be as stuffy, pretentious, cliquish and claquish as any Internet forum or organ =   concert.... ELucas    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell - (was Diane Bish). From: <PMMGBOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:39:19 EDT   You are really sick. "Teutonic" is not remotely analagous to "Kike."