PipeChat Digest #4715 - Tuesday, August 24, 2004
 
Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
A sub goes to D. C.
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Felix Hell was Diane Bish
  by "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net>
Re: New York Organs
  by "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca>
Drums
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
ELucas Unmasked
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Drums
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: DIANE is back in Boston
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: ELucas Unmasked
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
HT and NS
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: HT and NS
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
OK, now it's personal
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: HT and NS
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Experience with copyrights
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:11:09 EDT   Hi, Y'all!   It sounds like you need to get to Nashville to one of our wonderful = monthly meetings! This is a faaaaaaabulous chapter with 169 members (average = attendance hovers around 100 for the monthly dinners), rich in fellowship and rich in =   talented musicians. Of course there are a couple of snoots, but what = chapter doesn't?   Come to Nashville . . . check out our programs at www.nashvilleago.org.   Yours,   Darryl  
(back) Subject: A sub goes to D. C. From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:26:53 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings to all...   I recently had a nice experience subbing at a Presbyterian Church on Capitol Hill in Washington, D. C. (aptly named Capitol Hill Presbyterian Church, by the way...)   After calling the church administrator on a Friday (to ascertain that the pastor had picked the hymns), I then went to the church to practice.   The Pastor happened to come to the church on Friday (his day off), and since he heard the organ, he kindly took the time to come into the sanctuary, introduce himself, and spend some of his valuable time going over the order of worship with me.   We also went over each specific hymn and response (since it was summer, their choir was on vacation... thus the congregation was "it," i. e., also the choir... He gently but definitely encouraged me to err on playing the hymns and responses too fast, viv a vis too slow.   It really made a big impression on me that he was willing to spend so much of his time (I'm guessing it was at least 30 minutes) with me, to ensure that the service would go as smoothly as possible.   As for the organ, it is a 1958 Schlicker, consisting of about 22 ranks... the third manual is prepared for... the manual is in the console; but the ranks of pipes have yet to be installed.   One of the first stops I drew was the Swell Salicional, to see if it was like the Schlicker Salicional I had played on one of their 5 rank unit organs which was also built around the same year. I was not disappointed. It was indeed voiced the same way, although I would name this particular rank a Salicional Diapason... one that one would live to die for, vis a vis the vile Viole d'Orchestre type of narrow string ranks that certain builders pass off as a Salicional.   I then drew the Vox Celeste, to see what kind of sound I would get. And yes, it was a wonderful Celestial inspiring sound...   As with any organ, I had to pick and choose the ranks which I thought would sound best... I really liked the Great Diapason chorus (8, 4, 2, and Mixture V)... which really would inspire any congregation to sing... The 8' is full, yet harmonicaly developed and not tubby... The Octave seemed to be just the right scale, too. And the Mixture, one can say was the crowning glory... it was bright, but it did not squeal.   Although, as often happens, the Pedal Fagotto 16' was slightly out of tune with the flue ranks, I did use that stop (which was not the same rank as the Swell Fagotto 8') on the last verse of some of the hymns. As for the Swell Fagotto 8', well, I would have preferred a Moller Oboe 8', thank you very much...   The Pedal Bourdon 16' sounded promptly and was nicely voiced... it was not too loud and not too soft. Unfortunately the Pedal 16' Quintadena had so much harmonic development one could not hear the fundamental... thus while the Pedal Bourdon 16' can be used as the sole Pedal 16', I felt the Pedal 16' Quintadena could not be used by itself as the sole Pedal 16'...   On Sunday, as I was setting up my music at the organ prior to beginning the postlude, a member of the worship committee came up and introduced himself. He said, "Have you been paid yet?" I didn't fall off the organ bench; I just smiled and said, "Yes, I have..." But I certainly appreciated him asking.   This was the first time in "X" years as a sub that any one representing a church had asked me before a service if I have been paid or not. Actually, I always try to make it a point to tell the administrative assistant of churches where I sub to please notify their bookkeeper/treasurer to have my check ready on the Sunday I play (or before... if before, I won't deposit the check until after I have played...) Since many businesses and health professionals request payment when services are rendered, I too have adopted this method... I shouldn't have to "c c" (chase checks)!   Shortly after the worship committee "representative" had introduced himself, the pastor also came over and asked me to write down my name and my church that I usually attend... I said he really didn't have to introduce me to the congregation --- but he said it would make life easier for him. By introducing me, people wouldn't bother him by asking, "Who is that organist?" Also telling the congregation when the organist is a sub absolves the organist if he/she made any "terrible" mistakes... Actually I felt I did pretty well... The Lay Reader, who is an old hand at that church, made one slight blooper: he told the congregation to sit down by mistake and then had to then immediately tell them to stand up.   At the end of the service, another individual came over to the console... No, it was not Felix Hell... But it was an young man who was close to Felix in age... This young man, who will begin his Junior year at St. Olaf College in Minnesota, pleasantly surprised me by asking me, "What was that piece that you played at the beginning of the service?" I told him it was the "Little Prelude and Fugue in G minor," which was attributed to J. S. Bach... I hastened to add that although some individuals believe that Bach didn't write it, to me it sounds Bachian and is an inspiring piece... This student mentioned that although he was not an organ major, he did enjoy organ music and did sing in one of the choral groups at St. Olaf.   I then gathered up my things and made my way downstairs from the sanctuary level to the street level door of the church... Both the pastor and a couple of individuals in the congregation thanked me for my contribution to the service.   Yes, music is alive and appreciated at this church...   One example: the church has already raised enough money to either make repairs on or to replace one of the Swell chests, which apparently has suffered damage as a result of a leaking roof...   Another example: although the sanctuary is rather large and the congregation isn't that large, they did sing with much gusto...   As a sub, I know only too well that one should never forget one thing: You never know who is listening to and paying attention to the music you have selected for a church service.   May God continue to inspire those of you who have a regular church position with your musical contributions.   Best wishes to all.     Morton Belcher fellow list member...       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Felix Hell was Diane Bish From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:22:23 -0400   "No, that's not sick. I just think that keeping people's = class/ethnicity/race/gender/sexual orientation out of things (unless it = is DIRECTLY relevant) is a polite thing to do." Well, I have seen, heard, and enjoyed Felix Hell. I never would have = guessed that he used to be Diane Bish. Someone should at least comment = on the amazing quality of the surgery involved.   - - - "Never mind."   Jay    
(back) Subject: Re: New York Organs From: "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:44:20 -0300   Malcolm,   On 23-Aug-04, at 1:49 PM, Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   > <snip> > When I was > at St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Ontario, a new "Coffee House" > opened down > the block, and a number of us choir people paid a visit one evening > after > rehearsal. There was a singer/pianist entertaining at an old upright, > and he > said, and I do quote: > <BIG SNIP>   God help us! Not all of us Canadians are that crass. On behalf of my country I apologize to you and your choir friends who had to endure that little piece of graphic description.   Andrew Barss, Halifax, Nova Scotia (shaking my head in disbelief, and running away shouting "too much information, too much information!")     Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia    
(back) Subject: Drums From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:53:02 EDT   Smart move establishing the space before the drummer is hired.   A drummer is very much like an organist; one will fill up as much space as = is available. one with more ranks, and the other more traps, snares and the like. I ought to know; my son is a percussionist.   Stan Krider   In a message dated 08/24/2004 3:54:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Miltronix2004@wmconnect.com asks:   Does anyone play drums, or have a family member who does? If so, please contact me offlist... I need to find out the minimum floor space a = 'typical' set of traps takes up when in use. We are going to change our (front) choir = gallery a bit and I would like to leave room.  
(back) Subject: ELucas Unmasked From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT)   > It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents may be > limited, she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe organ somewhat. > And I daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after the Teutonic >Tyke about whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ aficionados >obsess about nowadays has been recognized flash in the pan that he is.... ELucas   As one who abhors racial/national or any other kind of epithets getting hurled at people - especially people as nice as Felix Hell - I take a great deal of offense at ELucas' post. My first thought was "Who the hell is this ELucas with the attitude?". Never heard of him as an organist. Has anyone here heard of him? My first guess was that he was a young organist who was sour because he wasn't getting the kind of attention that Felix has gotten. Or perhaps someone who had been passed over for an OHS convention slot.   Well, a five minute Google search by e-mail address shows his true identity to be Mitchell Geller of Boston. According to information posted by him on various internet sites, his degrees are in English and Children's Literature. His passion is barefisted amateur boxing which he participates in weekly. He likes Anna Russell (Don't we all?). He earns his living as a makeup artist. He weighs under 150 pounds. He published a well crafted villanelle about killing a dog in the Melic Review at http://www.melicreview.com/archive/iss23/geller.htm - a formalist response to Billy Collins' "The Reason I Don't Keep A Gun In The House." (Yes guys, I know about other things than pipe organs...) Aren't the rules on pipechat that we are SUPPOSED to be who we SAY we are on here? He sounds like an interesting guy, but I find nothing organic about him. Teutonic Tyke indeed!   Ken   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Kenneth Potter, Substitute Organist 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>, 845/480-1416 cell =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D  
(back) Subject: Re: Drums From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:29:33 EDT   I always plan for a space 6' by 6' square for the trap set and carpet. Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:10:10 -0400   I would like to second Darryl's comments about the Nashville Chaptr,only = in my case it's the MEMPHIS Chapter that I wish to herald.   I joined this chapter in the 7th or 8th grade, and those of you who know = me will remember my bragging on the merits of the Memphis hapter through = the years. Very fine dinner meetings, GOOD and interesting programming, = fellowship and excellent musicianship. This chapter in Memphis also has = an extremely fine comeraderie that I have seldom seen elsewhere, and I = have belonged to several chapters around the country the past 20 years.   So, perhaps each and every one of us can make a difference for the better?   In closing, what's an AGO chapter without "snoots?" They're half the fun = (and generally some of the better musicians!) LOL   -Scott Foppiano in Memphis (already looking forward to the first meeting in September!)  
(back) Subject: Re: DIANE is back in Boston From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:02:20 -0500   That explains it - go eat about a quart of Cookies 'n' Cream, and you will feel much better..... ;-)   PMMGBOB@aol.com wrote: > Actually I am on Atkins so no cornflakes here....        
(back) Subject: Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:58:21 +0200   Chatters,   I'll be visiting Poland with my school class in September, spending a day in Krak=F3w on the 12., which is designated by the travel committee as =   the "shopping day". That's kind of not my "stuff", and I thought I'd perhaps see an organ or two instead. So my question is: Where should I go to hear (good) organ music in Krak=F3w, Poland, on September 12?   - Jarle  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:29:07 -0400   On 8/24/04 3:58 PM, "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > I'll be visiting Poland with my school class in September, spending a > day in Krak=F3w on the 12.,   Jarle! Wonderful! Have a wonderful time.   Try this webite:   http://www.organy.art.pl/   Sorry it's all in Polish. But the Polish government just MIGHT have a consular office in Stavanger where they'd be happy to talk about it with you. YOU know how to charm them!   Other than that, I'll bet you can "figure out" the names and addresses, etc= ..   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in Krak=F3w, Poland From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:37:06 -0700   Check out the Diapason archives. There was an article about Polish baroque organs a number of years ago. One of the things I remember is that they had distinctive elaborate iron "drawer-pull" handles instead of drawknobs. There are one or more Jesuit (?) churches (probably IN Krakow) with 17th century and 18th century organs, but I can't remember names (and probably couldn't spell them if I could).   Good luck!   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: ELucas Unmasked From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:37:58 -0500   Oh, do calm down, please. Firstly "Teutonic Tyke" may be a national = reference, or a racial comment, but it is not an insult as used here, = and certainly not an "epithet". I think we were all affronted by the = comment, but it would do us all good to remember that such a bitter = email says alot more about the sender than about the one being commented = on. I don't think anyone needs to have his trash cans searched and all = his dirty laundry (or clean laundry either) aired on this site. = Thanks, Kip Smith in Missouri P.S.-I really like organs and organ music, can we get back to the = subject? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: ELucas Unmasked     > > It most definitely refers to Diane Bish. While her talents = may > be=20 > > limited, she at least has advanced the cause of the pipe = organ > somewhat.=20 > > And I daresay her name will be fairly well-known long after > the Teutonic=20 > >Tyke about whose (equally limited!) talent so many organ > aficionados=20 > >obsess about nowadays has been recognized flash in the pan > that he is.... > ELucas >=20 > As one who abhors racial/national or any other kind of epithets = getting > hurled at people - especially people as nice as Felix Hell - I take a > great deal of offense at ELucas' post. My first thought was "Who = the > hell is this ELucas with the attitude?". Never heard of him as an > organist. Has anyone here heard of him? My first guess was that he > was a young organist who was sour because he wasn't getting the kind = of > attention that Felix has gotten. Or perhaps someone who had been > passed over for an OHS convention slot. =20 >=20 > Well, a five minute Google search by e-mail address shows his true > identity to be Mitchell Geller of Boston. According to information > posted by him on various internet sites, his degrees are in English = and > Children's Literature. His passion is barefisted amateur boxing which > he participates in weekly. He likes Anna Russell (Don't we all?). = He > earns his living as a makeup artist. He weighs under 150 pounds. = He > published a well crafted villanelle about killing a dog in the Melic > Review at http://www.melicreview.com/archive/iss23/geller.htm - a > formalist response to Billy Collins' "The Reason I Don't Keep A Gun In > The House." (Yes guys, I know about other things than pipe organs...) =   > Aren't the rules on pipechat that we are SUPPOSED to be who we SAY we > are on here? He sounds like an interesting guy, but I find nothing > organic about him. Teutonic Tyke indeed! >=20 > Ken >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > Kenneth Potter, Substitute Organist > 845/358-2528 <swell_shades@yahoo.com>,=20 > 845/480-1416 cell > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20 >
(back) Subject: HT and NS From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:00:05 -0300   Dear list,   Please, be patiente with me. I'm studyng for a examination and I'd need to understand what means when one says, for example: "4-6 HT over NS", being "HT" =3D half tone and NS =3D Normal scale. Andersen use this to =   refer pipe scale. Then, for example, he says 'The scales of the earliest string stops were not much narrower than the Principal scale (2-4 HT under NS)". The problem to me is to understand what this has to do "half tone" with "pipe measure". I'd like to know that measure type.   I thank you very much Domitila      
(back) Subject: Re: HT and NS From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:08:39 EDT   Just shift up or down on the standard scale of the Normalmensur according = to the + or - given to the HT. The Normalmensur is a standard scaled based = upon a specific starting diameter and halving ratio. Therefore, it is a standard = set of values, and the scale slides according to the tonal director's = directions. C25 may not deviate from the NS, for example, but because the room is = very bright and live, the tonal director may specify that the scale grows to +1HT@C37, then +3HT@C49, and +4HT@G56. In booming, bass-heavy rooms, the = basses can be "pinched," with C13 being -2HT, etc., giving the a narrower scale in = the bass.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: OK, now it's personal From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:40:10 -0700   Barring a miracle, we will be homeless as of Sept. 1, because, according to the Bush regime, we do not qualify as a "family" for federal rental assistance.   I have no idea what we're going to do.   I'll try and salvage my books and the computer, though I won't have anyplace to put them except in the back of the pickup truck.   We'll have to walk away from the furniture and the organ (no cash value, but it plays well enough to practice on ... if I don't practice, I won't know whether I'm ABLE to play, or WANT to play).   My Social Security disability claim is still on appeal ... that will take the better part of a year at best.   I have a place to go (friends in Ohio) ... I have no idea how I'd GET there ... but I won't leave Burgie alone, and he can't do winters in Ohio because he has emphysema.   I'd hoped to sell enough copies of the St. Matthew Passion to stave off disaster for at least another month while we searched for other resources, but that didn't happen.   So there you have it.   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: HT and NS From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:35:49 -0300   Sebastian, can I to make some questions about you write me?   Do you say:   >may not deviate from the NS, for example, but because the room is very >bright and live, > What means 'very bright and live"? It's a 'dry' acoustics? Are the considerations you describes important about the resonance situation of the room? Or, a lot of resonance means need of basses more powerful and the possibility of to maintain or it is exactly the opposite?   >the tonal director may specify that the scale grows to >+1HT@C37, then +3HT@C49, and +4HT@G56. > It means, will the high tones have fundamental tones more strenghtened?   >In booming, bass-heavy rooms, the basses can >be "pinched," with C13 being -2HT, etc., giving the a narrower scale in = the >bass. > Or, can one say, clearest basses and less opaques?   And finally, my dumb question: Is HT something to do with the divisions of diatonic scale?   Thank you Domitila   > >Sebastian M. Gluck >New York City > >. > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >        
(back) Subject: Experience with copyrights From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:30:56 -0500   I have just been informed that our congregation will have a guest speaker in September who has requested some type of (unknown) "Praise Band" music. The alternative she suggests is that she can play a CD of the music she wants during the worship.   I asked the pastor to inquire what she wished to emphasize with such musc -- perhaps we can accomplish her goals with music more familiar to us. I asked that she be informed that A. We do not have a "Praise Band, and B. We do not do very much of that sort of music BY CHOICE.   I have told the pastor that we must have all the details of the exact CD and selections to be used so that we can obtain Copyright permission to play the CD in public worship. Does anyone in this group have experience in dealing with commercial record companies about such permissions. We have frequently obtained permissions for reprints, etc, but in the past, when I have told people wishing to use 'canned" music that they had to arrange copyright permission, they have (up 'til now) abandoned the idea.   What experiences have you had?     Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org