PipeChat Digest #4717 - Thursday, August 26, 2004
 
Re: Walcker double pedalboard
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Music Performance rights
  by "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net>
things Polish and very much off topic (but short)
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: Experience with copyrights
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: matchmaking opportunity
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Snootiness
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Juggling Indian Clubs.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: OK, now it's personal
  by <FLTim@aol.com>
Re: OK, now it's personal
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: OK, now it's personal
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: french fun!
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Snootiness
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
RE: french fun!
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: matchmaking opportunity
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Copyrights
  by "James M. Dahlgren" <jmdkimo@yahoo.com>
Re: Drums
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: Copyrights
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Music Performance rights
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Copyrights
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
copyright and mechanical fees
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: french fun!
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
CD stores in Leipzig et al
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Walcker double pedalboard From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:22:11 -0400   There is also a larger photograph of this console (destroyed in the war in 1944) in "The Organists Book of Days," compiled by Rollin Smith and available through the AGO. It is opposite the page beginning with July = 16th.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler, www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:25 AM Subject: Walcker double pedalboard     > I seem to remember that someone once wanted a picture > of the Walcker double pedalboard ... > > http://theatreorgans.com/giwro/stuttgart.jpg >      
(back) Subject: Re: ELucas and AGO meetings--off topic From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 07:27:34 EDT   >Hi, Y'all! > >It sounds like you need to get to Nashville to one of our wonderful = monthly >meetings! I was a member of the Nashville Chapter for a year while doing an = internship there right out of college. I can attest to the fact that it is a = vibrant chapter and that there is always a good attendance and that there is a = great collegiality between members. Our local chapter, in order to combat the "snootiness" factor, is trying several things, one of which is trying to get active members (or at least =   semi-active members) to bring one of their non-active member friends to = the chapter meetings. Our chapter is also looking at why the membership has non = liked the programs, and for the 2005-2006 year, we are already brainstorming = ideas for some innovative monthly meetings that would be new and different. (I = know this because I'm on the program committee.) I've already made mention of =   some of the more successful chapters I know (Nashville and Memphis, = included) , and for us to look at them and find out how and why they work so well. = There are always going to be a few snobs in the group, but they should just be = the minority, not the majority. The membership should look forward to coming = to a monthly chapter meeting not laugh about it and figure out lame excuses = about why not to come. Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Music Performance rights From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:28:22 -0400   In a past life, I ran a satellite delivered music service. While it has = been too long for me to remember the exact details on performance = rights, I can make a few comments.   The main organizations that cover these rights are ASCAP, BMI, and = SESAC. SESAC tends to have licensing rights mainly in the religious = area, but the other two also cover music of this type.   The rules, in general, of who must pay these rights are determined by = such criterea as:   1. Is the music being performed (live or recorded) in a public place.   2. How many speakers are there in the location. Usually having two or = more speakers located more than 20 feet apart make you liable for = payment.   3. Is the performance of the music attached to a profit making venture. = This could be fun, since the speaker may be getting payed for her = speech. Perhaps SHE is responsible for the payments. Generally, I = believe it is the venue that is responsible.   Very often, ASCAP and BMI will simply issue a letter condoning the = performance without fees if it is a situation that has not been looked = into before (probably not the case here), and/or if there is not enough = money involved.   It is easy enough to call any of the three major firms and check this = out.   Jay Taylor  
(back) Subject: things Polish and very much off topic (but short) From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT)   Speaking of not being able to spell Polish words: I am reminded of a quip from Reader's Digest from a few years ago: Seems that a man from Poland had settled in the USA. After a few years he = realized he needed to go get new glasses. He goes into the doctor's = office and proceeds with the exam. The doctor requests him to read the = chart with the big E etc. The man says, "Hey, I know that guy!" Running for cover, Richard    
(back) Subject: Re: Experience with copyrights From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:16:39 -0500   Businesses who have music on hold on their phone systems or play music over their intercom systems pay a license fee to do so. DJs also pay license fees to play recordings. If they do not, they should and probably are not prosecuted because they just haven't gotten around to them yet. I am in charge of the Telecom system at a hospital, and we have such a license, and we have received random checks on multiple occasions to make sure our license for our music on hold is up to date. Buying a CD at a retail store gives you the right to "personal use" - just as buying a VHS or DVD. Many of them even have the statement on them that purchase does not give you the right to broadcast. Playing music over a speaker system in a public place for multiple people constitutes "broadcast". This is true in businesses, auditoriums, clubs, and churches. And it is not covered by a church's CCLI license. I believe the particular licensing agency for this is BMI (but I'm not sure of the correct acronym - I HATE acronyms). So - you must decide whether such uses will be frequent enough justify the expense and paperwork of an annual license. Our church decided not.   By the way - purchasing a piece of music does not give you the right to public performance or recording. That is not a rule that was exclusive to the particular music store who chose to post it. Playing music in churches is an exception. Other individuals and groups who perform music in public places, including community choruses and such who are "amateur" and "non-profit", must pay ASCAP fees. And recording is an additional fee. Recording/videoing worship services for shut-ins is allowed - if that recording is sold, a recording fee must be paid.   The CCLI license covers churches for printing texts, printing music excerpts in bulletins, and general performance and recordings as above, but even then, periodically, the church has to submit detailed listings of all music used in worship to them (we are in that "phase" now - I don't remember how long we have to do it - I think it is a full year - it seems to be some kind of a random survey process)   Complicated explanation - but there is what we have figured out after struggling and researching these issues over the last 2 or 3 years. Glenda could probably answer some of this better than I. Copyright and performance rights are such a complicated issue that there is a whole legal specialty for it just like patent law.   Good luck, Margo     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Re: matchmaking opportunity From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:29:43 -0400       On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:18:35 -0500 "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com> writes:   >So she wants to see an organ, eh? Sorry, couldn't help myself.     WOW! Not one of us has probably ever heard such a joke! How clever! (No offense intended).   Jim               *There are 10 types of people in the world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't.*
(back) Subject: Snootiness From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:46:51 -0500   Charley..........I agree with you..........people who are secure in who they are and what they can do don't need to be snooty, whether it's playing the organ or juggling Indian clubs or studying medieval literature.   I am purely an amateur organist......in the literal sense of the word........one who "loves" the organ. I enjoy studying, playing, etc., but I have not had much instruction..........I suppose I could make time for it, but I haven't.   I joined our local AGO chapter a couple of years ago so I could get more involved with music and organists in the area. I queried the dean, and he reassured me that I would be welcome.........I have not found our little chapter to be snooty at all. My only "complaint" is that my interest is more toward the history and construction of instruments.......I'm also a member of OHS.   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Juggling Indian Clubs. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400   At 10:46 AM 8/25/2004, Denis wrote: >Charley..........I agree with you..........people who are secure in who >they are and what they can do don't need to be snooty, whether it's >playing the organ or juggling Indian clubs or studying medieval >literature.   = ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -   Now that would really be a feat! Juggling Indian Clubs whilst playing the organ, - maybe especially if the piece was Bach's Fugue a la Gigue!   The mind boggles!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: OK, now it's personal From: <FLTim@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:06:34 EDT   I think the political jabs are (once again) off topic for the list.   Tim  
(back) Subject: Re: OK, now it's personal From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:06:51 -0400   Dear Bud, I had problems with both SSI and my VA disability. My Senator is = Arlen Specter and he is also on the VA Affairs committee. He kicked a** and = after 14 years, I finally got my disability claim approved from the VA. I really believe that your Senators, as empathetic they may be in dealing with you, are not doing their job and I would tell them so. I don't think that it = has anything to do with conventional versus non? conventional families. Dependents are dependents no matter and if you want, I'll write to them at their Washington addresses and start the castigation. I have no love for those who say they are for you but are too damn busy to take care of business. Ah, the beltway psychosis. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 11:23 PM Subject: Re: OK, now it's personal     > Both my Senators (Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein) are Democrats, as > is my Representative (Susan Davis); they HAVE been MOST helpful with my > Social Security appeal. But I hesitate to presume on their generosity > about this ... I have to contact someone and find out if State > anti-discrimination laws shield people in California from discriminatory > Federal laws, but I doubt it. In SOME cases the States are allowed to > establish different standards (California's State disability laws are a > good deal more stringent than the Federal Americans With Disabilities > Act, for instance), but given the present regime, I doubt such > protections extend to "non-traditional" families. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Paul Valtos wrote: > > > Dear Bud, > > I don't know who your senator is from your area but I would be on him > > like stink on you know what. You don't deserve to be treated that way and > > that;s what senators are for. Despite what they believe they are on = this > > earth for. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> > > To: <undisclosed-recipients:> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 8:40 PM > > Subject: OK, now it's personal > > > > > > > >>Barring a miracle, we will be homeless as of Sept. 1, because, = according > >>to the Bush regime, we do not qualify as a "family" for federal rental > >>assistance. > >> > >>I have no idea what we're going to do. > >> > >>I'll try and salvage my books and the computer, though I won't have > >>anyplace to put them except in the back of the pickup truck. > >> > >>We'll have to walk away from the furniture and the organ (no cash = value, > >>but it plays well enough to practice on ... if I don't practice, I = won't > >>know whether I'm ABLE to play, or WANT to play). > >> > >>My Social Security disability claim is still on appeal ... that will > >>take the better part of a year at best. > >> > >>I have a place to go (friends in Ohio) ... I have no idea how I'd GET > >>there ... but I won't leave Burgie alone, and he can't do winters in > >>Ohio because he has emphysema. > >> > >>I'd hoped to sell enough copies of the St. Matthew Passion to stave = off > >>disaster for at least another month while we searched for other > >>resources, but that didn't happen. > >> > >>So there you have it. > >> > >>Bud > >> > >> > >> > >>****************************************************************** > >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >>List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > >>List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > >>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >> > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/2004 > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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(back) Subject: Re: OK, now it's personal From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:10:19 -0400   Dear Steve, The prayer is a forgone conclusion but the hell raising is = something that He said when they say, God helps those who help = themselves. Some of these government birds just ignore things until they = get a bunch of e mails from a group of constituents, Fear they respect. = Especially if they are up for reelection and you control four to more = votes. Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steskinner@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:50 AM Subject: Re: OK, now it's personal     In a message dated 8/24/2004 8:38:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@cox.net writes: I have no idea what we're going to do. Bud,   How I wish my prayers for you could come with a big, fat check (and = I'm sure you do too!). But, nevertheless, my prayers for you do come = with a request that your Heavenly Father will send comfort and assurance = that YOU do not have to worry, that He will provide and that.....He will = let you see what the provision is. I know this is contrary to the way = God usually works, but it is my prayer for you anyway.     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/2004
(back) Subject: Re: french fun! From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:13:34 -0400   that's cool! I have played some of those organs, St. Maximin and St. = Gervais most prominently come to mind. St. Maximin has THE most beautiful = Cromorne in THE world, and many agree on that one...   -SF  
(back) Subject: Re: Snootiness From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:18:07 -0400   Ok, well obviously I was WRONG and have been promptly put in my place. = LOL   -Scott  
(back) Subject: RE: french fun! From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:40:37 -0400     SF wrote:   that's cool! I have played some of those organs, St. Maximin and St. Gervais most prominently come to mind. St. Maximin has THE most beautiful Cromorne in THE world, and many agree on that one...   -SF I replied:   St. Maximin no doubt has THE most beautiful Cromorne in the world, but I wonder what opinion you might have of it if it were removed from the acoustic of St. Maximin and placed in the "living-room" acoustics = infesting most(far too many)churches in N.A. Regards AjMead      
(back) Subject: Re: matchmaking opportunity From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:52:40 -0500   That's ok! I figured someone would be unable to resist this joke. I saw = it coming even before I hit <send> :)   On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:29:43 -0400, Jim McFarland wrote > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 03:18:35 -0500 "Ray Ahrens" <ray_ahrens@msn.com> > writes: > > >So she wants to see an organ, eh? Sorry, couldn't help myself. > > WOW! Not one of us has probably ever heard such a joke! How clever! > (No offense intended). > > Jim > > *There are 10 types of people in the world: > Those that understand binary, and those that don't.*       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Copyrights From: "James M. Dahlgren" <jmdkimo@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:36:04 -0700 (PDT)   Friends,   How is a church playing a CD any different from a CD in a Juke Box in a tavern? It is played and revenue is generated.   PEACE -James     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Drums From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:38:24 -0400   What about the lady who complained to us that the organ was out of tune = with her drums.   "The louder I drum the closer I feel to God"     :-)))   Nelson
(back) Subject: Re: Copyrights From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:07:48 -0500   James M. Dahlgren wrote:   >Friends, > >How is a church playing a CD any different from a CD >in a Juke Box in a tavern? It is played and revenue is >generated. > While the difference may or may not apply to CD's, there is one difference between music played in church and music played in a tavern in the U.S.. Under the relevent bits of 17 USC, music played in church in the context of a worship service has a statutory exemption from performance royalties; music played in a tavern does not.   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Performance rights From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:09:37 -0500   Jason M. Taylor wrote of the rules governing performance rights, but failed to note the statutory exemption in 17 USC for music peformed in church in the context of a worship service   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: Copyrights From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:13:02 -0700   I'm almost POSITIVE that commercial juke box companies play "mechanical" rights fees to ASCAP, etc., based on the revenue from the boxes.   Cheers,   Bud   James M. Dahlgren wrote:   > Friends, > > How is a church playing a CD any different from a CD > in a Juke Box in a tavern? It is played and revenue is > generated. > > PEACE -James > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: copyright and mechanical fees From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:19:24 -0700   As I recall, the exemption applies to church SERVICES, even though a collection is taken; it does NOT apply to concerts IN church unless they are TOTALLY free.   Neither do the exemptions concerning mixing union and non-union musicians in an orchestra, if it's a CONCERT. Christ Church Cathedral in Cincinnati got blackballed for doing just that during Searle Wright's tenure as O/C. Being from New York, he should have KNOWN better (chuckle).   I have made it a practice to ensure that every post where I've served has been a "union house."   Cheers,   Bud, who wishes WE had a strong union      
(back) Subject: Re: french fun! From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:13:55 -0300   I was in St. Maximin this year, january, and took some photos. See it in:   http://www.ballesteros.mus.br/stmaximin.html Domitila Ballesteros   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > Found this fun website: > http://www.concertartist.info/organhistory/history/menu15.htm > > > = ___________________________________________________________________________= ____________ > _______________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________ > _______________________________ > ________________ > Gregory Francis Ceurvorst > 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS > Evanston, IL 60201 > 847.332.2788 home/fax > 708.243.2549 mobile > Home Email: gfc234@aol.com <mailto:gfc234@aol.com> > Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net > <mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net>      
(back) Subject: CD stores in Leipzig et al From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:36:53 -0400   Another plea for help, perhaps especially to persons in Germany who = read these list-servers:   I would like to purchase one or more CDs that contain music by Hans-Christian Bartels, retired principal violist of the = Gewandhausorchester in Leipzig. Can anyone give me contact information for CD stores in Leipzig and perhaps other German cities who might have such items?   Thanks.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA