PipeChat Digest #4719 - Friday, August 27, 2004
 
Re: Southern directions
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
16' Manual stops...
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
RE:copyright and mechanical fees
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
RE: Southern directions
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Southern directions
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Southern directions
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Southern directions
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com>
Holtkamp query
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Southern directions
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
STraube and Bach
  by "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br>
Re: STraube and Bach
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: STraube and Bach
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: STraube and Bach
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:13:56 +0200   I have navigated across Paris by compass many times. You just take a bearing from your entry point to your required exit point and go for it. Much quicker than the Boulevard Peripherique, which is usually one huge parking lot.   Peter.  
(back) Subject: 16' Manual stops... From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:46:21 -0700 (PDT)   Ladies and Gentlement of the list:   Would you share with me and the other members of the list your opinions and reasons as to   1) what flue stop or stops you believe to be suitable as 16' Swell stops?   2) what flue stop or stops you believe to be suitable as 16' Great stops?   3) should 16' manual flue stops be full compass? or should they just go down to Tenor C?     As for me, I have only played a few organs that have had these 16' manual stops... and the lowest octave of many of these stops were *very* slow sounding...   The best Swell 16' flue I have come across was a Contra Gamba 16' (also playable on the Pedal organ of that instrument...)   I really haven't come across any Great 16' that made me jump and down with glee... Most of them were either 16' Quintatons or 16' Gedeckts or Bourdons...   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member...         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: RE:copyright and mechanical fees From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:28:06 -0400   Larry said:   Thanks to everyone . . . <snip> (Except to that one person who emailed me = to suggest that the real problem was that I am a control-freak and am afraid to play praise-band music because my congregation might like it. That was neither helpful -- = nor accurate.)"   I thought I had made it plain that that wasn't the attitude I was trying = to convey in my comment. There has previously been much discussion about recorded music on this list - especially insofar as weddings are = concerned. The general attitude has been one of disdain for this - mostly from the standpoint of it being tacky and that it had no place in worship. The = issue of copyright violation was usually a side argument.   Sorry you took it that way. We all have our tastes regarding music. Many of us - I included - are guilty of looking for ways to keep something from happening in a way that we don't like, especially if it's in an area over which we have some responsibility.   Keith      
(back) Subject: RE: Southern directions From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:31:08 -0500   Just one more off-topic comment here in response to Bud: no self-respecting red-neck Southern male would refer to a woman's breasts as "racks". These guys have real racks - 8-point, 10-point, 12-point, and larger - hanging all over their walls (that means buck deer heads, i.e., 'rack' of antlers).   Of course, Orlando and parts south of there are nowadays referred to as "that other Florida", with only small pockets of true Southerners who generally only come out at night.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Liquescent   "Hooter", by the way, is NOT a Southern ephemism for the female breasts (as in "Hooters Restaurants") ... Southern women have "jugs" or "bazookas," depending upon whether or not the (male) speaker is ex-military. I am told that "rack" or "racks" is also in current use, but this is a pernicious Yankee infiltration, and sullies the purity of Southern as spoken by REAL Southerners (grin).          
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:55:21 -0500   they also have racks in their pick-ups to hold their 20-aught.   I've never heard "bazookas" from anyone past junior high. I don't think it comes from a military background. I think it is a "natural" progression from bossoms (the polite Southern lady's term) to ba-zooms to bazookas....   Hooters sit in trees at night and catch mice.   Glenda wrote: > Just one more off-topic comment here in response to Bud: no > self-respecting red-neck Southern male would refer to a woman's breasts > as "racks". These guys have real racks - 8-point, 10-point, 12-point, > and larger - hanging all over their walls (that means buck deer heads, > i.e., 'rack' of antlers). > > Of course, Orlando and parts south of there are nowadays referred to as > "that other Florida", with only small pockets of true Southerners who > generally only come out at night. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Liquescent > > "Hooter", by the way, is NOT a Southern ephemism for the female breasts > (as in "Hooters Restaurants") ... Southern women have "jugs" or > "bazookas," depending upon whether or not the (male) speaker is > ex-military. I am told that "rack" or "racks" is also in current use, > but this is a pernicious Yankee infiltration, and sullies the purity of > Southern as spoken by REAL Southerners (grin). >    
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 06:22:22 -0700   Could be ... I've also heard it "bacon, fried chicken, Moon Pies, and RC Cola"   Noel Stoutenburg wrote:   > Bud wrote: > >> THE FOUR FOOD GROUPS: bacon, lard, fried chicken, and collard greens. > > > Is this a regional thang? I was told in Gawga some years back that the > four food groups were > > fat, salt, c' cola, and t'baccuh. > > ns > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Southern directions From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:32:09 -0400   In Texas its BBQ pork, steak, beer and krylon spray paint (to mark your property.   in New Orleans its gumbo, bread pudding, bourbon, and binees (sp, its a french type fried donut its really good)       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Liquescent Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:22 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Southern directions     Could be ... I've also heard it "bacon, fried chicken, Moon Pies, and RC Cola"   Noel Stoutenburg wrote:   > Bud wrote: > >> THE FOUR FOOD GROUPS: bacon, lard, fried chicken, and collard greens. > > > Is this a regional thang? I was told in Gawga some years back that the > four food groups were > > fat, salt, c' cola, and t'baccuh. > > ns > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Holtkamp query From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:58:26 -0700   I have been in direct communication with Chris Holtkamp, and Holtkamp Organ Co. is NOT closed; nor are they contemplating closing. Chris has a shop of 14 workers, and a back-log of contracts for both new organs and rebuilds.   Rumors of bankruptcy can RESULT in bankrupty, if not laid to rest = promptly.   Cordially,   Bud Clark San Diego CA USA      
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:44:47 -0500   Actually, here in New Orleans we eat anything that doesn't move fast = enough. By the way, they are spelled "Beignets". BAF II    
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:15:46 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2004 5:47:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes:   > flue stop or stops you believe to be > suitable as 16' Great stops? >   always a tasty Violone and used at 4 foot also so i can use my couplers = and get a string chorus to add to my celestes.   romantically....   dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: STraube and Bach From: "Domitila Ballesteros" <dballesteros@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:49:07 -0300   List,   I knew there is a historical edition of Bach works done for Karl Straube. Somebody knows what is the publisher?   Thank you Domitila      
(back) Subject: Re: STraube and Bach From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:19:40 +0200   Hi Domitila,   Karl Straube's Bach edition was published by C.F. Peters of Leipzig around 1904. My mother has one of the volumes, inherited from her uncle, and it really is a beautiful edition. Not like the modern Sibelius/Finale/you-name-it scores, Straube's Bach is a visual beauty which we don't see anymore in musical scores, and I think it's one of the finest examples of music typesetting ever.   Not exactly "scholarly", but rather _musically_ edited, it's a perfect match for playing Bach on a German romantic organ. A recent Pipedreams broadcast featured K=E4te von Tricht, playing the Prelude in b minor after =   the Straube edition, at the 1930 Sauer of Bremen Cathedral, Germany. Absolutely wonderful! (And I love hearing Ton Koopman, Kjetil Haugsand, Philippe Herreweghe, and others, approaching Bach's music in a more "historical" way.)   - Jarle (having spent most of the day hacking my website, at http://jarle.moo.no/, without it being possible to see much difference!)  
(back) Subject: Re: STraube and Bach From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:42:10 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2004 1:51:09 PM Central Daylight Time, dballesteros@uol.com.br writes:   List,   I knew there is a historical edition of Bach works done for Karl Straube. Somebody knows what is the publisher?   Thank you Domitila     Was it Satan? LOLOL Sorry-couldn't help it! gfc   ___________________________________________________________________________= ___ _________ _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)    
(back) Subject: RE: STraube and Bach From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:58:23 -0500   A recent Pipedreams=20   broadcast featured K=E4te von Tricht, playing the Prelude in b minor afte= r=20   the Straube edition, at the 1930 Sauer of Bremen Cathedral, Germany.=20   Absolutely wonderful! (And I love hearing Ton Koopman, Kjetil Haugsand,=20   Philippe Herreweghe, and others, approaching Bach's music in a more=20   "historical" way.)   =20   - Jarle (having spent most of the day hacking my website, at=20   http://jarle.moo.no/, without it being possible to see much difference!)   =20   ******************************************************************   =20   =20   In addition to the PipeDreams program Jarle listed, you can also hear K=E4= te von Tricht playing the following pieces from Straube editions also on = the PipeDreams website (http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/):   =20   10 March 2000   "Fantasy in G" S.752   =20   10 June 2002   "Prelude and Fugue in G" S.541   =20   29 June 2004   "Prelude in b" S.544   =20   08 May 2002   "Prelude and Fugue in G" S.541   =20   01 August 2004   "Prelude in b" S.544   =20   Daniel   Springfield, Missouri   =20   =20  
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:29:58 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I once played a fine Fr Willis organ with a 16ft Swell Contra Gamba....very nice and very useful; adding little real mud but ample gravity.   Of course, on the Great, the only choice is a 16ft Principal double where space/money permit. Bach knew them well!   A 16ft Quintaton is often discredited on this list, but is a very useful colouring stop and a fairly weightless double which adds useful gravity. I once played an organ with a truly excellent Quintaton, which had plenty of character. This had been created from an old Bourdon when Hill, Norman & Beard re-built it, and all they did was tack on some plywood to the old mouth with tiny panel pins. Crude it may have been, but is was superbly effective as a piece of revoicing.   Choir doubles should always be Dulciana or Salicional in character, but again, the Quintaton or Gedact Pommer is a nice alternative.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell (UK but currently in Holland)     --- "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Ladies and Gentlement of the list: > > Would you share with me and the other members of the > list your opinions and reasons as to > > 1) what flue stop or stops you believe to be > suitable as 16' Swell stops? >       _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush