PipeChat Digest #4721 - Friday, August 27, 2004
 
Re: 16' Swell reed choices
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Southern directions
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Southern directions
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: Southern directions
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
RE: Southern directions
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Southern directions
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
coffee and chicory
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Southern directions
  by "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: 16' Manual stops...
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
Never to Soon to Think About Christmas
  by "Bob" <rammer@zoomlynx.com>
Re: 16' Manual stops...
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE:copyright and mechanical fees
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
Re: Marking
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Marking
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas
  by "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca>
Re: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: 16' Swell reed choices From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:06:58 EDT   When going for the 16' reed, go for full-length. Nothing sounds more = like a rodent passing gas than a 1/2-length 16' extension of the Swell Oboe. Yeesh. If it's got to be a unit, extend the Trompette down, full-length, = to 16', and try THAT under an anthem. An exception might be the use of a large-scale 16' Clarinet or Basset Horn, because half-length cylindrical resonators DO have a strong = fundamental and are very rich, indeed. But those tiny little 16' Dulzian/8' Oboe Swells of =   decades past, which were supposed to "simulate a full English Swell," did NOTHING of the kind. The Double Trumpet, Bombarde, or full-length Bassoon covers a lot of ground when it comes to a Swell 16' reed.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/ ..  
(back) Subject: RE: Southern directions From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:40:49 -0500   I believe that is beignets, although it's been a while since I've been to Nawlins. However, you MUST have them with French Market coffee (which I believe is branded duMond).   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Milo R. Shepherd   in New Orleans its gumbo, bread pudding, bourbon, and binees (sp, its a french type fried donut its really good)          
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:55:38 -0500   Glenda, The most famous coffee house is the Cafe' du Monde at Jackson Square. The local coffee is dark roasted and since the War of Northern Aggression, has been blended with roasted ground chicory root. Darn! It is too late for a cup! Berley      
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:09:51 -0700   The chicory came in because of coffee shortages immediately after TIWONA, like the burnt grain ersatz coffee during WWII; then everybody got hooked on it. Luzianne was the brand we used to buy.   Cheers,   Bud   firman1 wrote:   > Glenda, > The most famous coffee house is the Cafe' du Monde at Jackson Square. = The > local coffee is dark roasted and since the War of Northern Aggression, = has > been blended with roasted ground chicory root. > Darn! It is too late for a cup! > Berley > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT)   Thanks, Greg, for introducing the members of the list to this site with all those pieces we can listen to...   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member...   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=     --- Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > The Martin Ott organ at Northern IL University has > two of the nicest manual > 16's I've ever played- a prinzipal 16 on the > hauptwerk, and a 16 bourdon in > the schwellwerk-with the box closed-the swell > shutters would vibrate just a > tiny bit when that bourdon was on---oooh how sweet > it was. If you want to > hear the organ go here: > _http://organsandorganistsonline.com/downloads.htm_ > (http://organsandorganistsonline.com/downloads.htm) > > You will find a recording of me playing the D major > prelude using the full > plenum 16-mix. > > Here is a link to the organ: > _http://www.martinottpipeorgan.com/OpusGallery1/Opus17.htm_ > > (http://www.martinottpipeorgan.com/OpusGallery1/Opus17.htm) > > note: the list says that a prinizipalbass is in the > swell-but its really in > the pedal-just a typo. > the great 16' is in the main case facade, and the > pedal 16' prinzipal is in > the pedal towers' facade. > > cheers, gfc > Gregory Francis Ceurvorst > 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS > Evanston, IL 60201 > 847.332.2788 home/fax > 708.243.2549 mobile > _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) > > _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ > (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)       _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush  
(back) Subject: RE: Southern directions From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:18:01 -0400   Actually Chicory dates back to the Mormon pioneers as they didn't drink coffee so they subsituted chicory for coffee.   Milo   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Liquescent Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:10 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Southern directions     The chicory came in because of coffee shortages immediately after TIWONA, like the burnt grain ersatz coffee during WWII; then everybody got hooked on it. Luzianne was the brand we used to buy.   Cheers,   Bud   firman1 wrote:   > Glenda, > The most famous coffee house is the Cafe' du Monde at Jackson Square. = The > local coffee is dark roasted and since the War of Northern Aggression, = has > been blended with roasted ground chicory root. > Darn! It is too late for a cup! > Berley > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:20:38 -0700 (PDT)   Yes, and that is what I thought a Quintadena was supposed to be like... On the Schlicker I subbed on it wasn't that way.,.. and I was disappointed...   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member...   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --- Liquescent <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > > The ideal Quintadena, to my way of thinking, has > just the slightest HINT > of the quint sound. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >       _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush  
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:21:47 -0400   on 8/27/04 9:18 PM, Milo R. Shepherd at mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com wrote:   > Actually Chicory dates back to the Mormon pioneers as they didn't drink > coffee so they subsituted chicory for coffee. > > Milo > > There were Mormon pioneers in N.O.?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:25:44 -0700   One of the oddest Quintadenas I ever heard was a 32' (!) in the large Casavant at Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh ... of course, at that pitch, it had NO fundamental. It sort of resulted with the 16' Subbass, and that was about it (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   littlebayus@yahoo.com wrote:   > Yes, and that is what I thought a Quintadena was > supposed to be like... On the Schlicker I subbed on > it wasn't that way.,.. and I was disappointed... > > Best wishes to all, > > > Morton Belcher > fellow list member... > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > --- Liquescent <quilisma@cox.net> wrote: > > >>The ideal Quintadena, to my way of thinking, has >>just the slightest HINT >>of the quint sound. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Bud >> >> >> >> > > ****************************************************************** > >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital >>organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >>List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >>List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> >> > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: coffee and chicory From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:31:37 -0700   Mais non, cher (grin).   The two tests for a Cajun bride:   1. Can you make a roux? 2. Is your Mama Catholique? (chuckle)   I can't IMAGINE a beverage made of STRAIGHT chicory. EEEWWW!!!   Cheers,   Bud           Randolph Runyon wrote:   > on 8/27/04 9:18 PM, Milo R. Shepherd at mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com = wrote: > > >>Actually Chicory dates back to the Mormon pioneers as they didn't drink >>coffee so they subsituted chicory for coffee. >> >>Milo >> >> > > There were Mormon pioneers in N.O.? > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Southern directions From: "Milo R. Shepherd" <mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:31:54 -0400   We are talking about the 1840's   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Randolph Runyon Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:22 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Southern directions     on 8/27/04 9:18 PM, Milo R. Shepherd at mrstwin2@rubberandsteel.com wrote:   > Actually Chicory dates back to the Mormon pioneers as they didn't drink > coffee so they subsituted chicory for coffee. > > Milo > > There were Mormon pioneers in N.O.?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:39:02 EDT   Bud wrote: >The ideal Quintadena, to my way of thinking, has just the slightest HINT =   >of the quint sound. This is very true, however we were forced to endure the exact opposite of =   this in many organs built in the 1960's and 70's and some even in the 1980's...it was all quint and very little fundamental. I've played a = couple of organs were when playing a "C" it really sounded as if a "G" was being = played...far too much quint and not nearly enough unison. Overkill on the harmonics. = My thinking, like Bud's, is that the Quintadena was supposed to be more = along the lines of a Stopped Flute, but only with more "color." Am I off base here??? Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: RE: 16' Manual stops... From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:17:17 -0500   I have an opinion on this, having recently (2003) gone through the rebuild of a 1928 Austin that had a 16-foot flue in each of the Great, Swell and Choir divisions. In my opinion, Austin got it right way back in 1928.   > 1) what flue stop or stops you believe to be > suitable as 16' Swell stops?   The Swell has a 16-foot Lieblich Gedeckt, part of which actually hangs up-side-down at the back of the Swell box. It is a very sweet-sounding stop with more breadth than volume. It slips-in under a chorus based on either a Viola Pomposa or a Stopped Diapason. It has such a lovely sound, we briefly considered borrowing it at 8 but ended up using an independent rank. It has sufficient harmonic development so that it doesn't "suck" the harmonics from the 16- Fagotto and can be used to broaden the sound of the reed chorus. It also plays in the Pedal as the quietest 16 Flute.   > 2) what flue stop or stops you believe to be > suitable as 16' Great stops?   The Great organ contains a "Violone 16" which Austin also referred to as "Metal Diapason." It is very much a Diapason, stringy only in comparison to a huge-scaled Open Diapason (which has been replaced by one of smaller, but still very generous scale.) Because of its diapason character -- and I suspect that some "principal' stops have been built in this country with smaller scales in the 70's and 80's -- we borrowed it at 8 in the Great naming it "Second Diapason" and it works very well in this role, filling out and somewhat brightening the sound of the First Open when drawn together, or by itself providing a thoroughly suitable basis for a lighter chorus sound. This stop also works perfectly for making a 16-foot plenum, being neither too slow in speech nor too light to support the chorus. In fact, its speech is so prompt, i generally prefer it in any fast-moving passages such as a trio sonata or the like. This stop also appears in the pedal with the same name (a change from the Austin nomenclature). Unfortunately, it is the only 16 metal diapason in this division and is just a little too small to support the chorus. I usually feel that I need to draw the Bourdon with it for support or defer to the large Open Wood Diapason. There just weren't funds to add a proper 16 principal, but my dream is to someday have a facade made of such a stop (the instrument speaks from behind open wooden tracery with grill cloth.)   The Choir has a 16 Dulciana which, in the words of John-Paul Buzard just "purrs" under the lovely Unda Maris 8, or whatever. Under the coupled strings of the the combined manual divisions, the only word that comes to mind is "luscious." On this instrument, the choir is truly a miniature Great division, rich and full in sound, but miniature in loudness. I've found that the Dulciana even works to deepen and broaden this chorus. It plays in the Pedal as the quietest 16.   > 3) should 16' manual flue stops be full compass? > or should they just go down to Tenor C?   These three 16 flues each function differently but beautifully, and any comparison to your usual Quintedena 16 or the like is a comparison of apples to oranges. Each of these is a full-compass stop having 73 notes (to accomodate super-couplers originally.) I think the full-compass is necessary as 16s are not confined to use un the upper region of the clavier, and t.c. stops would yield an obvious 'drop-out' at tenor c. I wouldn't trade them for anything.   Sidebar: I also specified on this instrument, the Pedal Bourdon to be borrowed on the Great at 32, which raised the eyebrows of several organbuilders. It is a t.c. stop which conforms with my intent for it. My intent was to offer an alternative to the manual sub-coupler in some of those pieces which have both hands flailing away in the stratosphere. It is intended to provide a broader foundation sound and avoid the pitfalls of coupling. I feel its success is somewhat questionable and at one point after the completion of the instrument I queried the organbuilder about switching it to the Open Wood rank for an even fuller sound. Anything can be accomplished with enough money, but having just spent a fortune (for this congregation at least) on the rebuild, I'm not in a position to return asking for more. Let my successor do that. Who knows, maybe I'll be around long enough to get around to it again.   BTW -- I'm not sure if I ever made this offer to the list, but if you are ever in Milwaukee, please stop in and try the instrument. You can call or email me in advance or take your chances and just stop in. The Parish Administrator has instructions that any visiting organist (who identifies him/herself as such) is to be given access to the instrument.   Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org
(back) Subject: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas From: "Bob" <rammer@zoomlynx.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:03:51 -0400   Hello All, Im looking for a couple nice, demanding, big arrangements = of 'O Come All Ye Faithful' and 'Joy to the World' to use for this = upcoming Christmas season. Any suggestions that you may have are greatly = appreciated. Thanks, Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: 16' Manual stops... From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:25:33 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2004 8:10:20 PM Central Daylight Time, littlebayus@yahoo.com writes:   Thanks, Greg, for introducing the members of the list to this site with all those pieces we can listen to...   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member...   Always a pleasure! :) gfc   ___________________________________________________________________________= ___ _________ _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)    
(back) Subject: RE:copyright and mechanical fees From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:26:21 -0500     On Aug 27, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Keith Zimmerman wrote:   >> Thanks to everyone . . . <snip> (Except to that one person who >> emailed me to >> suggest that the real >> problem was that I am a control-freak and am afraid to play >> praise-band >> music because my congregation might like it. That was neither helpful >> -- nor >> accurate.)" > > I thought I had made it plain that that wasn't the attitude I was > trying to > convey in my comment...   Keith, I really wasn't referring to anything you said. 'on the list. The email to which I referred did not appear on the list -- or at least I didn't see it. I believe it was sent to me privately by someone on the list and the name attached wasn't yours unless you use a pseudonym. In that email the intent was clear.   > Sorry you took it that way.   No harm, no foul. (unless it really WAS you with a pseudonym, in which case you really need to learn use "smileys.")   Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Marking From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:27:11 EDT   Inappropriate for THIS list.  
(back) Subject: Re: Marking From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:31:43 EDT   In a message dated 8/27/2004 9:29:45 PM Central Daylight Time, ProOrgo53@aol.com writes:   Inappropriate for THIS list.       ?????????????????? ___________________________________________________________________________= ___ _________ _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas From: "Andrew Barss" <asbarss@eastlink.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:40:28 -0300   Hi Bob,   FWIW, my favourite arrangement of "O Come All Ye Faithful" remains the=20=   David Willcocks version.   Cheers, Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia   On Friday, August 27, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Bob wrote:   > Hello All, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Im looking for a couple nice, = demanding, big arrangements=20 > of 'O Come All Ye Faithful' and 'Joy to the World' to use for this=20 > upcoming Christmas season. Any suggestions that you may have are=20 > greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Bob >  
(back) Subject: Re: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:33:59 EDT   My favorite arrangement of "Joy to the World" is by Don Hustad. Lee