PipeChat Digest #4728 - Tuesday, August 31, 2004
 
RE: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
RE: What's with the bagpipes
  by "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net>
Bagpipes - off topic invitation
  by "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net>
Re: What's with the bagpipes
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Re: Southern directions
  by "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net>
RE: Belated announcement of recital
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net>
Re: Southern directions
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Thanks for help
  by <hunts@senet.com.au>
Shameless self promotion (!!)  "This Is the Truth Sent From Above"
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Basic Piano Instruction
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Red Bank, NJ
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
RE: Basic Piano Instruction
  by "Phillip W. Konczyk" <phil@umcc.us>
Re: Basic Piano Instruction
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Basic Piano Instruction
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
basic piano inst.
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: basic piano inst.
  by "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: basic piano inst.
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:34:58 -0500   If you're not familiar with Gaston Dethier's variations on "Adeste Fideles," you should look it up. In fact, you can download the public domain scores for free online at http://www.blackiris.com/orwig/evensong/free.html under Gaston Dethier's "Christmas."   =20   Daniel   Springfield, Missouri   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:04 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Never to Soon to Think About Christmas   =20   Hello All,   Im looking for a couple nice, demanding, big arrangements of 'O Come All Ye Faithful' and 'Joy to the World' to use for this upcoming Christmas season. Any suggestions that you may have are greatly appreciated.   Thanks,   Bob  
(back) Subject: RE: What's with the bagpipes From: "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 06:51:42 -0700   Good morning all,   For an in-depth description of the problems with balance (bagpipes = vis-a-vis anything else, particularly organ, I refer you to Peter Schickele's introduction to the Sinfonia Concertante (S 98.6) on the first P.D.Q. Bach album (Vanguard 79195) I think they are available on CD.   Mark S. Towne Sub Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter, AGO & Conclave Coordinator, Region IX 2006 Mid-Winter Conclave       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Shirley Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:52 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: What's with the bagpipes     Chuck:   There is nothing worse than bagpipes played indoors. They're an outdoor instrument.   I had to contend with it once, didn't find out about it till the piper showed up. He was gracious though. He played the extended prelude outside while I = played the organ inside. Different pieces, of course. I stationed him far far away from the sanctuary, but still near enough for the people entering the building to = be serenaded, which I assume is what the bride had in mind.   I couldn't hear him, and he couldn't hear me. Worked out perfectly.   But for a procession and recession INSIDE the sanctuary? Bleah. The instrument is too loud, and doesn't have enough fundamental in the sound to be = pleasing to the ear.   -Shirley     On 28 Aug 2004 at 20:39, Charles Peery expounded:   > Today, and several times throughout this summer for the first time, > I've had to contend with a bagpiper at weddings.       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Bagpipes - off topic invitation From: "John Jarvis" <jljarvis@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:00:26 -0700   Speaking of Bagpipes. There will be over 1,000 pipers in my little town this weekend with the annual celebration of the Scottish Games hosted by the New Caledoneon (sp?) Club of San Francisco. I've often wondered why they don't have this event IN San Francisco and instead host it nearly 45 miles away from the city? If you are any where near, please join us for a great time and a good reason to drink Scotch!  
(back) Subject: Re: What's with the bagpipes From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:03:35 -0500   My brother is a very good bagpipe player and was willing to play a solo = at the church where I am organist. I stood him in the Swell chamber with = the shutters closed; I played the introduction on the Great (during = which he got the pipes started - a squeeky process and somewhat = unpredictable) and opened the Swell shutters as he started the tune. It = was civilized and controlled, and a very successful way to have the = pipes indoors. The biggest problem was that the people in the church = thought we had installed a new "Bagpipe" stop, and didn't realize that = they were hearing a real person playing for them.=20 Now, if I could figure out a justification for placing that noisy = soprano soloist in the Swell chamber.....and close the shutters ;-) Kip Smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: RE: What's with the bagpipes     > Good morning all, >=20 > For an in-depth description of the problems with balance (bagpipes = vis-a-vis > anything else, particularly organ, I refer you to Peter Schickele's > introduction to the Sinfonia Concertante (S 98.6) on the first P.D.Q. = Bach > album (Vanguard 79195) I think they are available on CD. >=20 > Mark S. Towne > Sub Dean, Southern Nevada Chapter, AGO & > Conclave Coordinator, Region IX 2006 Mid-Winter Conclave >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Shirley > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:52 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: What's with the bagpipes >=20 >=20 > Chuck: >=20 > There is nothing worse than bagpipes played indoors. They're an = outdoor > instrument. >=20 > I had to contend with it once, didn't find out about it till the piper > showed up. He > was gracious though. He played the extended prelude outside while I = played > the > organ inside. Different pieces, of course. I stationed him far far = away > from the > sanctuary, but still near enough for the people entering the building = to be > serenaded, which I assume is what the bride had in mind. >=20 > I couldn't hear him, and he couldn't hear me. Worked out perfectly. >=20 > But for a procession and recession INSIDE the sanctuary? Bleah. The > instrument > is too loud, and doesn't have enough fundamental in the sound to be = pleasing > to > the ear. >=20 > -Shirley >=20 >=20 > On 28 Aug 2004 at 20:39, Charles Peery expounded: >=20 > > Today, and several times throughout this summer for the first time, > > I've had to contend with a bagpiper at weddings. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20 >
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "rgunther@cantv.net" <rgunther@cantv.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:43:53 -0400   Off topic again...   I was pretty amused by this thread. Fortunatedly I am learning fast and have a *recent* Rand Mc Nally Street Map on hand. I am visiting organs, = but take my time with this task... Starting is not easy, but I make a lot of new friends here already. The only thing I regret is that I don-t dare to visit far away places like Sarasota or Naples with the Oldie-Olds I have right now.   The southern diet is enlarged right now by the South Caribbean Cuisine. Choice between lots of cuban, colombian and venezuelan restaurants and the omni-present "Pollo Tropical" Franchise.   We are awaiting a tropical storm and a bunch of venezuelan immigrants :)   In a few days, a [finally] On/Topic Post. Stay tuned!   Yours Andres        
(back) Subject: RE: Belated announcement of recital From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:53:50 -0500   Re: Belated announcement of recitalGot it!   We are conferring the tile "organ" on this instrument in recognitions of its something-or-other.   Michael   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Randolph Runyon Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:18 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Belated announcement of recital     on 8/29/04 5:05 PM, Michael David at michaelandmaggy@earthlink.net = wrote:     OK, what's an "Honorary Organ"?   Michael - getting more and more confused     - I suppose it's like an honorary doctorate. From _Webster's Third New International Dictionary_: "conferred in recognition of achievement or service without the usual prerequisites, duties or obligations." While I = am sure the organ Desir=E9e played this afternoon was a real, honest-to-God = pipe organ, and is "honorary" only in the sense of having been purchased and/or dedicated in someone's honor, the expression "honorary organ" strikes me = as the perfect successor to the outworn term "toaster" for a pipe-challenged instrument. Maybe it'll catch on.   Give us a report on your recital, Desir=E9e, when you have a chance. I gather from something you wrote that you played Alain's "Litanies." I bet it was thrilling!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu    
(back) Subject: Re: Southern directions From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:28:21 -0600   Hi, PipeChatters: Milo said: > In Texas its BBQ pork, Not in my neck of the woods. BBQ pork comes from Georger. Texas BBQ is made from a fresh slaughtered cow. Goat ain't bad, either. F. Ricahrd Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Thanks for help From: <hunts@senet.com.au> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 4:10:08 +1100   Hi,   Thankyou to everyone who helped me with suggestions re New York - I now = have a surely comprehensive list which will keep me occupied no doubt!   I have another (not NYC specific) question. Does anyone know of any good = examples of "modern organs"? I need to explain what I mean by "modern" = instruments here - I mean instruments designed with an unusual = experimental tonal pallete (most likely built in the 60's) that experiment = with unusual mutations and mixtures. I know that stops like a sixteenth = whatever are probably more common on large American instruments, but on = smaller two/three manual instruments, it is rarer to find the more unusual = sounds.   As an example, take the New College Chapel Oxford organ of 1969 by Grant, = Degens and Bradbeer. I was fortunate enough to play this last year, and = it is a very unusual instrument (can't find a stop list or remember the = details though sorry). It was described to me as "the last modern british = organ" - meaning the last organ with "unconventional" tonal design before = the "baroque revival" really kicked in, whereupon every new instrument = built was suddenly a replica or variant on a 16th/17th century design!   I'm interested to learn of any unusual designs that perhaps never got made = due to the change in climate, revolutionary ideas that never got off the = ground - or maybe they did, and if so, where are these examples of = "progressive" (probably bad choice of word) organ building?   I remember reading somewhere (and can't find where anymore) that Messiaen = was also interested in stretching the tonal pallette of the organ, = including his organ to which he apparently wanted to add a number of = unusual stops but, after his death, the proposals were apparently = rejected. Does anyone know anymore about this?   Cheers,   Anthony   This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au      
(back) Subject: Shameless self promotion (!!) "This Is the Truth Sent From Above" From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:29:13 -0400   Hi, all,   Yeah, O.K: shameless self-promotion, I admit it.   If you wish -- or if you need a Halloween laugh early!1 -- look at GIA no. G-6140, my newly-published setting of "This Is the Truth Sent From Above," pertinent in general to Advent but also to Genesis 2: 15 - 17 and 3:1 - 7, whenever that lesson falls in your lectionary. For some, it = falls in the First Sunday in Lent of the A cycle.   It's the same English tune that Vaughn Williams uses in his "Fantasie = on Christmas Carols," and I maintain the same sort of modal treatment. There = is only one stanza that is actually in four-part singing; otherwise, the = parts of relatively polyphonic, using the tune in bits or in whole, thus making the setting pretty easy. (Is it too much to try to hope that is is also even nice?)   All bouquets or bricks thrown this way will be equally accepted.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Basic Piano Instruction From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:30:26 -0500   I've been out of the teaching loop for years for basic piano, but am considering taking it up--mostly with children; perhaps an adult or so.   Any suggestions on resources for: 1. basic instruction books and resources (Have we moved beyond John L. Thompson?) 2. what kind of equipment for a small group studio.....no more than four students (and basic equipment.....can't buy a Bosendorfer grand!). 3. general hints on policies, procedures, prices for lessons.   TIA!   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Red Bank, NJ From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:51:40 EDT   Peter,   I wish you the very best of luck. Dominus tecum.   Pax,   Bill H. SJE Boston.  
(back) Subject: RE: Basic Piano Instruction From: "Phillip W. Konczyk" <phil@umcc.us> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:26:20 -0400   From: Phillip W. Konczyk Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 5:21 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Basic Piano Instruction       A good site for some of the questions you have asked and may ask later = are answered, at least a lot of them, on the following website: = http://www.marthabeth.com/piano.html = <http://www.marthabeth.com/piano.html>=20   =20   I use the Faber and Faber method books - they seem to work very well for = me.   Phil   ----------   Phil Konczyk - Director of Music   Sacred Heart Church   150 E. Summit   Muskegon Heights, MI 49444   (231)733-2440 x28     From: pipechat@pipechat.org on behalf of First Christian Church of = Casey, IL Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 2:30 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Basic Piano Instruction       I've been out of the teaching loop for years for basic piano, but am considering taking it up--mostly with children; perhaps an adult or so.   Any suggestions on resources for: 1. basic instruction books and resources (Have we moved beyond John L. Thompson?) 2. what kind of equipment for a small group studio.....no more than = four students (and basic equipment.....can't buy a Bosendorfer grand!). 3. general hints on policies, procedures, prices for lessons.   TIA!   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org <http://www.pipechat.org>=20 List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org>=20 Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org <mailto:admin@pipechat.org>=20 List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org = <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org = <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org = <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >        
(back) Subject: Re: Basic Piano Instruction From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:41:26 EDT   In a message dated 8/30/2004 1:33:16 PM Central Daylight Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes:   I've been out of the teaching loop for years for basic piano, but am considering taking it up--mostly with children; perhaps an adult or so.   Any suggestions on resources for: 1. basic instruction books and resources (Have we moved beyond John L. Thompson?) 2. what kind of equipment for a small group studio.....no more than four students (and basic equipment.....can't buy a Bosendorfer grand!). 3. general hints on policies, procedures, prices for lessons.   TIA!   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines       Dear Dennis- I have about 15 piano students-I never teach in groups-because the kids don't get as much out of it that way (some are always slow and confused, = some always excel, and others just cause trouble)-a studio class or recital = every few months is an order though. As far as methods go-I like the FJH Piano Adventures books. Very well thought out. Also-mandatory counting, note flash cards, keeping eyes on = the music, and a NO TENSION technique from the get go are an order-to prevent = having to unlearn bad habits. I have one little girl who NEVER reads the music, = and refuses to look up at the page-so I cover her hands with a book-she reads = the music-and plays it perfectly! As far as rates go-depending on your qualifications, and the market in = your area-a half hour should cost between 20 and 50 dollars. I strongly suggest that the kids study on a real piano-preferably a grand = or baby grand with even and somewhat light action. I own a 1931 Mason and Hamin BB 7'-but if you do not want to spend that kind of money-get a = Yamaha or Kawai-they-re not the prettiest-but they work, and are reliable. If you shopped right-you could get a 6' Yamaha for under 10. You could get a = decent upright for about 3. If you really seach hard (scour the newspapers) you may be albe to find an = old Mason or Steinway for less than 10 and if it needs it, have it rebuilt = for between 5 and 10k. Before you buy ANYTHING, have a registered piano tech = go over every inch of it. FYI-if you get a piano rebuilt-it will take at = least 10 tunings to become stable. However, I'd rather spend the money on a great old Mason or Steinway one time and be happy-as opposed to putting up with an ugly sound-and losing = money selling it to buy another piano. Do it once, and do it right! What ever you do, buy the largest instrument you can afford.` My 2Cents. gfc Best of luck! gfc ___________________________________________________________________________= ___ _________ _______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ _______________________________ ________________ Gregory Francis Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Avenue # GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile _Home Email: gfc234@aol.com_ (mailto:gfc234@aol.com) _Mobile Email: gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net_ (mailto:gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net)    
(back) Subject: Re: Basic Piano Instruction From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:56:19 -0400   On 8/30/04 5:26 PM, "Phillip W. Konczyk" <phil@umcc.us> wrote:   > From: Phillip W. Konczyk > Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 5:21 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: RE: Basic Piano Instruction >=20 >=20 > A good site for some of the questions you have asked and may ask later ar= e > answered, at least a lot of them, on the following website: > http://www.marthabeth.com/piano.html >=20 > =20 >=20 > I use the Faber and Faber method books - they seem to work very well for = me. >=20 > Phil >=20 > ---------- >=20 > Phil Konczyk =AD Director of Music >=20 > Sacred Heart Church >=20 > 150 E. Summit >=20 > Muskegon Heights, MI 49444 >=20 > (231)733-2440 x28 >=20 >=20 > From: pipechat@pipechat.org on behalf of First Christian Church of Casey,= IL > Sent: Mon 8/30/2004 2:30 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Basic Piano Instruction >=20 >=20 > I've been out of the teaching loop for years for basic piano, but am > considering taking it up--mostly with children; perhaps an adult or so. >=20 > Any suggestions on resources for: > 1. basic instruction books and resources (Have we moved beyond John L. > Thompson?) > 2. what kind of equipment for a small group studio.....no more than four > students (and basic equipment.....can't buy a Bosendorfer grand!). > 3. general hints on policies, procedures, prices for lessons. >=20 > TIA! >=20 > Dennis Steckley > Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20   I can=B9t read your stuff at all. Bad fond. Bad type-weight. Can you use something more nearly normal?   Not just whining. But I=B9d enjoy reading your posts.   Alan  
(back) Subject: basic piano inst. From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:12:10 -0500   HI, I use the Hal Leonard series and have had good results. There is a = cd that can be purchased that goes along with the music and plays the = second part of the duets that are in the book that ordinarily the = teacher plays. I also use the theory book and piano solo book that goes = with the series too. Have fun. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: basic piano inst. From: "Scott" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 23:15:41 -0500   I also use the Faber and Faber along with Suzuki. I do lots of ear = training and sight reading. My 8 year old that has been studying for = 1.5 years can sight read hymns. Wish I had that talent when I was 8.   Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St. Champaign, IL 61820 217.390.0158 www.scottmontgomerymusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: basic piano inst. From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:47:34 -0400     Don't forget the Bastian series. A sound pedagogical approach.     --Shirley