PipeChat Digest #4969 - Monday, December 6, 2004 Re: Re: open toes and electromechanical action by "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Music Needed by "Keith Zimmerman" <email@example.com> Re: Joke stops (old, but still cute!) by "Richard Schneider" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Keyboardtrader Ad by "Keith Zimmerman" <email@example.com> Re: Music Needed by "F. Richard Burt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Rodgers 945 by "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Re: (nomenclature) by <OMusic@aol.com> Re: Keyboardtrader Ad by "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Rodgers 945 by <OrganMD@aol.com> Leopold Stokowski, Organist -- Rollin Smith's New Book by "William T. Van Pelt" <email@example.com> Re: Rodgers 945 by "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Adeste Fideles with drugs by "Karl Moyer" <email@example.com> I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by "Karl Moyer" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Funeral home pipe organs by <MH1M@aol.com> Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> Kitchen Sink by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Re: Diaphonic pipes by "Andy Lawrence" <email@example.com> Cypres Et Lauriers From C. Saint-Saens by "Joel Armengaud" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Music Needed by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Re: open toes and electromechanical action From: "bobelms" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:15:02 +0800 Well Thomas, I can only speak as I find. A large proportion of church = organs in this region are extension instruments and they have derived mutations. = I play one of them each Sunday; I have played many more by the same builder. = I can use the Gedecht 8 with Nazard 2 and 2/3 for a solo sound similar to a Clarinet or a Gamba 8 with the Nazard for a nasal sound not unlike an Orch = Oboe. Again a useful solo combination. A derived 12th on the Great is overscaled but can be used with discretion with full organ. It adds a = reedy clang to the tutti. In no way could you describe any of these sounds as unpleasant. There is = no unpleasant "clash" nor are there noticeable overtone clashes. Maybe you = have been unlucky.Theatre organs can be played straight and most sound very = good indeed. A number of church have bought them from closed theatres and they give very good service. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Dressler" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu>; "bobelms" <email@example.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Re: open toes and electromechanical action >I can only speak about what I've experienced. > > I won't say anything is impossible. > > I'll ignore the fact that I've never heard borrowed stops that > sound like they have the right scaling. Perhaps it's possible. > I guess I can't say when it comes to theater organs. I don't > deny their artistic qualities, but I am not an afficionado, so > I can't speak of their design. But I will say that I believe > the aims of theater organs and. . .what. . .classical (?) organs > is different. The design of a plenum is, I think, different from > the design of a theater organ, and has different aims. > > But all that aside, I cannot think of a way around the > tuning problems of derived mutations. They sound bad enough > when you try to use a derived 2 2/3 Nazard in a cornet, which > is being played one note at a time. But a derived 2 2/3 Quint > for a plenum is just impossible. The clashes at the given pitch > are bad enough, but the overtone clashes you get are so bad > you might as well be playing tone clusters if your ears are > sensitive to high pitches. > > Thomas Dressler >>
(back) Subject: Music Needed From: "Keith Zimmerman" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:49:15 -0500 Listers, Does anybody have a copy of Schirmer's organ accompaniment to = "Hallelujah" from "Messiah" that they wouldn't mind breaking the law and = faxing to me? Once again, I've said "yes" when I probably should've said "no". A = friend has asked me to play the organ for his church's Christmas program = this coming Saturday and Sunday. Around here, they're all contemporary = style programs. When I was the regular organist for our church, I would = generally play the choral parts for our contemporary songs on the organ = while the pianist played the accompaniment. I received the music about a week ago, and these choral parts don't lend = themselves well to the organ. Regarding Hallelujah, I "thought" that I = would be playing the piano accompaniment. He told me last night that he = wanted me to play the choral parts on the organ while the pianist played = the accomp. I haven't played an organ in 2 years, so I don't have time to really try = to condense the choral parts into a score that I can play on the organ - = organist is not my day job, BTW. I remember that the piano = accompaniment does try to include the entrances of the individual parts, = so I'm assuming that the organ score might as well. I would appreciate your help. Hope y'all are beginning to have a Merry Christmas Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Joke stops (old, but still cute!) From: "Richard Schneider" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:51:31 -0600 (Central Standard Time) Alan Freed wrote: -------Original Message------- > The best ones involve the trap door in the pulpit floor. Tough > mechanics there, too; yet . . . . . We always dubbed that stop "Parson Unison Release!" One of our favorite practical joke stops (on an instrument where the stop designations could be readily exchanged, that is!) was the one time we received a Purchase Order from a University (which shall remain nameless!) and either the spell-checker or the trashy-blonde secretary messed-up and = it read "Chimps" instead of chimes for an addition. So, dutifully, we had the stop designation engraved CHIMPS and put it in without calling anyone's attention to it. It was MONTHS before anyone got wise to it and when they did, the college professor called up and it was all he could do to compose himself from breaking into howls of laughter at the thought of this. I then told him where the real designation was and how to go about = changing it. Every once in awhile, whenever things get dull, they'll pull that out for the benefit of those who never have been "tested"! On another occasion, we rigged-up a "Bovine" stop for a farmer-turned-organist, which consisted of a cow bell with a zimbelstern-type shaker and a crank which activated a small wedge-shaped bellows which fed wind into a very low-pitched discarded Vox Humana pipe. = It "mooed" rather convincingly! We did joke about (but never implemented) a "Bourbon to Organist" stop for an Episcopal church organ console (which was replete with many other amenities) for which a small sliding door would open and a shot glass = would be strategically placed on the other side! Would have been tempting, though. Perhaps a variant on that theme which would have a more practical application would be a "Communion to organist" compartment for use on the console of a church where the Communion distribution takes place in the = pews rather than communicants "parading" to the front. It could keep the elements out of harm's way until the appropriate time. Faithfully, Rich
(back) Subject: Keyboardtrader Ad From: "Keith Zimmerman" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:57:33 -0500 Listers, Has anyone checked out the Keyboardtrader ad #9273 dated 12/04/04 to see = if it's "for real"? Apparently there are some Nigerian churches that want 'Durable New = Inexpensive' pipe organs. Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Music Needed From: "F. Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:01:16 -0600 Hello, Keith: =20 Here is a quick way to get the vocal parts. Find=20 a copy of the old Broadman Hymnal. Hallelujah is=20 published in that book in four-part harmony. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers 945 From: "John Vanderlee" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:43:51 -0800 >Hi Gang .............. > >I have a former client that is the owner of a Rodgers model 945 >three manual digital electronic organ. Aging and the need to >downsize her life requires the sale of this instrument. This organ >has spent its entire life in a residential installation. Please >send me a private reply if you have interest in this instrument. > >Bill Hi Bill.. please - WHERE? John V
(back) Subject: Re: (nomenclature) From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:04:35 EST There was one of those "scream machines" at a funeral home where I played while in college. I could use only the softest of stops or it would blow everyone out the door. It had been donated to them. The home was sold, = and I don't know what happened to the organ. Lee
(back) Subject: Re: Keyboardtrader Ad From: "Malcolm Wechsler \(Mander Organs\)" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:20:40 -0500 Well, Keith, if it is anything like the letters we get quite regularly = from Nigeria, there is possibly some scam involved. The important thing to remember is that, if in the course of any transaction, you are asked for information about your bank account(s) for assurance, stay far away. Not unconnected to this, there are, in Nigeria, nine smallish Mander = tracker Organs of a certain age, built by Noel Mander. A Nigerian man with an interest in Organbuilding, came to London and worked at the shop as these Organs were being built, and was then able to return home to service the instruments. As far as I know, this arrangement still pertains, but it has = been a long time. I don't know how this all came about. Cheers, Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Zimmerman To: firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Keyboardtrader Ad Listers, Has anyone checked out the Keyboardtrader ad #9273 dated 12/04/04 to see = if it's "for real"? Apparently there are some Nigerian churches that want 'Durable New Inexpensive' pipe organs. Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers 945 From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:37:03 EST Utah
(back) Subject: Leopold Stokowski, Organist -- Rollin Smith's New Book From: "William T. Van Pelt" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:31:13 -0500 Rollin Smith has written a book about the famous conductor Leopold = Stokowski as organist, "Stokowski and the Organ." It is available at http://www.ohscatalog.org, with a special price for OHS members Stokowski began his career in England as an organist and choirmaster. = This first major study of Stokowski's early years covers his education at the Royal College of Music, his church posts in London, and his three years employed as director of music at St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church in New York City. The book examines the programs of his organ recitals (played on the third largest organ in America at the time), a list of his repertoire, facsimiles of his original choral works, an analysis of his Aeolian player organ roll of Bach's Passacaglia, and a detailed study of his famous orchestral transcriptions of Bach's organ works.
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers 945 From: "noel jones" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:06:13 -0500 I have a friend, who is 70, who flew to Idaho from Tennessee, looked at a 945 in a home, bought it rented a truck, drove back in winter (got stuck two days in a town without a bookstore when a blizzard closed the highways) and got it home. Converted his garage into an organ room and loves the organ... I'd recommend this organ highly. OrganMD@aol.com wrote: > Utah -- noel jones, aago email@example.com ----------------------------------- 1 877 249-5251 Athens, TN USA www.frogmusic.com Rodgers Organ Users Group Frog Music Press - Organ and MIDI Music FMP Organ Music Search Service Rodgers Organ Design & Voicing Services
(back) Subject: Adeste Fideles with drugs From: "Karl Moyer" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:06:41 -0500 This appeared in the Lancaster PA newspaper yesterday: William Everett, a Congressman from Massachusetts, told the story of a congregation that needed hymnbooks but lacked the necessary funds to purchase them. The congregation heard of a large company in their area = that made patent medicines and was willing to provide the church with hymnals = at the astonishing price of only one penny per hymnal. The one condition was that each book would carry some advertising. The people felt that this was a great solution to their problem, so = they ordered the new hymnals. The books arrived the day before Christmas and were unpacked and readied for use. On Christmas morning the pastor announced that they would sing hymn number 138, "Hark! the Herald Angels Sing." the pastor and people turned to the hymns and in a few seconds = were astonished to find themselves singing: Hark! the herald angels sing Beecham's pills are just the thing; Peace on earth and mercy mild, Two for man, and one for child. Hmmm. :-) Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA
(back) Subject: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:14:51 -0500 Have you ever seen a pipe organ in a Funeral Home? Can you describe it? I know they exist. I've never seen one. I'm curious I guess because = I grew up in a Funeral Home and never heard of a pipe organ in one. Jerry Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Bat Arhonious Software, = www.chirpingbat.com
(back) Subject: Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "Karl Moyer" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:22:44 -0500 > Have you ever seen a pipe organ in a Funeral Home? Can you describe > it? I know they exist. I've never seen one. I'm curious I guess becaus= e I > grew up in a Funeral Home and never heard of a pipe organ in one. The old-time Arnold Funeral Home in Lebanon PA (later Taylor Funeral Home and still later Taylor-Ruffner Funeral Home) had a small (perhaps 3 - 6 ranks) M=F6ller with a player attachment. It was finally removed perhaps 20 years ago or so, and I understand that the player machine was thrown down a town dump somewhere that had once been an on--pit stone quarry because it seemed to have little value otherwise to the owners. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA
(back) Subject: Funeral home pipe organs From: <MH1M@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:44:09 EST SELL-HERRON FUNERAL HOME, 610-433-5630. 1145 LEHIGH ST ALLENTOWN, PA 18103 = has a Moller pipe organ. There is a pipe organ in a funeral home on 5th Street, between Washington = St. and Walnut St., Reading, PA 19601.
(back) Subject: Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "John L. Speller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:47:35 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> To: "PipeChat" <email@example.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? > Have you ever seen a pipe organ in a Funeral Home? Can you = describe > it? I know they exist. I've never seen one. I'm curious I guess = because I > grew up in a > Funeral Home and never heard of a pipe organ in one. Not long ago St. Stephen's Episcopal Church in St. Louis bought the pipe organ from a funeral home in the Carondelet district of St. Louis that had closed. It is a typical little three-rank Kilgen unit organ. Diapason, Gedeckt and Salicional extended over two manuals and pedals. John Speller
(back) Subject: Kitchen Sink From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:48:06 -0600 I prefer the raspy reed version of the Kitchen Sink........as a 16' stop. Traditional English nomenclature is Rusty Sink 16'. Should you wish a = more "continental influence," it can be called Zink de Oxidius Ferrous 16'. In full-capped model, it would be properly labeled Stopped Sink Odiferous 16'. Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines
(back) Subject: RE: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:18:28 +1300 > Have you ever seen a pipe organ in a Funeral Home? Can you = describe > it? I know they exist. I've never seen one. I'm curious I guess = because I > grew up in a > Funeral Home and never heard of a pipe organ in one. Yes, there are two in NZ. One uses a former Methodist church that already had an organ in it. The other is in a former Presbyterian church. Ross
(back) Subject: Re: Diaphonic pipes From: "Andy Lawrence" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:16:27 -0500 > I have heard experimental pipes, down into the 64' octave, in which > a pulse generator activated an electromagnet that in turn activated > a standard pneumatic pouch. A full-length resonator was not > necessary, for some reason. The sound was almost instantaneous, > quite thunderous, smooth, and full, and was "tunable" by a rheostat > that varied the frequency of the pulse generator. If fully developed, > this would be a good solution to winded 32' stops. nation at 8'. > Sebastian M. Gluck Interesting. I think this is precisely how car horns work. I've often wondered if car horn technology, with the right resonator, could be used = to make windless, but accoustic, reed stops. Well, there's no pneumatics and = probably no pulse generator either on a car horn. But the point is, something vibrates electrically without wind, and the resonator (usually coiled up on a car horn) shapes and amplifies the sound. And its tunable with a knob. Andy A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com
(back) Subject: Cypres Et Lauriers From C. Saint-Saens From: "Joel Armengaud" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:21:19 +0100 I have difficulties finding an online sheet-music store that has Camille = Saint-Saens' Cypres et Lauriers (Op 156) available (so far only "out of = print" availability...) Could someone help me?=20 Thanks, -Joel Armengaud
(back) Subject: Re: Music Needed From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:49:16 EST Dear Kieth: There is a two volume set called Handel made practical.. It's in the Lorenz collections. The accompaniment is logical and not all over the place. I wouldn't leave home without it. Look up the volume it's in. Ron Severin