PipeChat Digest #4973 - Tuesday, December 7, 2004 Go Tell It on the Mountain by "Margarete Thomsen" <email@example.com> Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by <Steskinner@aol.com> Re: Funeral Homes with pipe organs by <ScottFop@aol.com> Re: Re: nomenclature by "bobelms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: 25 note pedalboard by "Staffan Thuringer" <email@example.com> Funeral Music by "Emily Adams" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Funeral Music by <Keys4bach@aol.com> Rauschwerk was nomenclature by "Thomas Mohr" <email@example.com> Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? by "Phil Stimmel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Funeral Homes with pipe organs by <TubaMagna@aol.com> Re:Funeral Homes with pipe organs by "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Bourbon stops and the like by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Weird request by "Glenda" <email@example.com> RE: Go Tell It on the Mountain by "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Was: Funeral Homes with pipe organs by "Glenda" <email@example.com> Playing Your Funeral Music? by "F. Richard Burt" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Funeral Homes with pipe organs by "Daniel Hancock" <email@example.com> Re: Weird request by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Organs in Hospitals by "Daniel Hancock" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Go Tell It on the Mountain From: "Margarete Thomsen" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 05:35:38 -0500 Can anyone recommend organ settings of this tune? MARGARETE THOMSEN Director of Music Ministries/Liturgist Good Shepherd Lutheran Church (ELCA)
(back) Subject: Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:39:09 EST In a message dated 12/6/2004 8:00:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: Forest Lawn has several Estey's probably four in their two main older facilities in CA and I don't think any of them are playing anymore. They won't spend the money to maintain them. There's also a lovely Reuter of about 10 ranks at a big Catholic cemetary east of downtown LA. Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:13:44 EST My statements yesterday regarded several big funeral homes in Memphis and = why there are no longer a) live pipe organs in them or b) the continued = existence of some of the funeral homes in the first place. It boiled down to greed = and "modernizing." Some may call it progress. I have spoken with some of = these funeral cooperation people and two of them told me point blank that = service and organs (in particular) weren't as important as making money. That = ways it all right there. Sadly, the organs, personal service and rich history of = good and trusted funeral care in THIS city is no longer what it was prior to Memphis Funeral Home coming down. ANYONE who used them remembers the = facilities, service and assistance they gave to bereaved families and is VERY SORRY = they are no longer open at 1177 Union Avenue in Midtown. Memphis Funeral Home was = the Frank Campbell's of Memphis. Monty can say whatever he wishes, and having been a student in mortuary school, I can certainly see where he would defend the source of his = educational financing, as stated in his post following my post. That does not, = however, disqualify or lessen the validity of my own my statements. In just about every other church I have served, the funeral home has = procured the honorariums for church staff, as set BY the church staff members in = their areas of responsibility, and has given the checks to us at the church at = the time of the services. They have always been most helpful and cooperative, = and actually saw it as part of THEIR JOB to do so. (How refreshing!) Regarding Family Funeral Care Inc. they are cheap, they have a bad = attitude and they sell rock bottom products and services as the norm, and believe = me it shows. They are SCI staff and the left over remnants of Memphis Funeral = Home and, since going to work for SCI, everything has changed, and not for the better. I worked with some people in the funeral industry a few years ago = and had the opportunity to see the front lines and the back lines of the industry, = most notably with SCI vs other independent funeral homes. It truly is = cooperate vs personal attention. Trust me when I say what the public sees is NOT = the same as "behind closed doors." So, why not be consistent throughout? = There was a Mr. Howard with MFH when I was younger, my family knew him, I knew = him, I always spent time with him at the facility when my family was down there = for a visitation or service. They took PRIDE in their facilities, service and, yes- PIPE ORGANS being played live vs canned music. I grew up in Memphis in the shadow of Memphis Funeral Home and Memorial = Park and, believe me, there IS no comparison. I attended a visitation there earlier this year. This was well after I had attempted to speak with them = regarding assistance with funeral stipends for the church staff. After I walked in = I just about got my head taken off when I asked which state room the = deceased was in. Well, what do they say about first impressions? I wouldn't call the chapel pretty by any means. I would call it a room, I = would call it utilitarian and I would call it less than tasteful. It is a = room with a low acoustic ceiling, plastic sconces and no windows. There isn't = an organ in the place. There is a MIDI keyboard, a single keyboard, and = speaking liturgically I hardly call that an organ or a legitimate instrument to = lead worship. Let's be honest, whether it be a pipe organ or a CD player, ANY funeral home will have options and varying price packages regarding = services and products. Memphis Funeral Home did ALOT of business, alot of business, = but just like with malls- condos bring a higher dollar to the property owner and = once the old facility is gone, it will never come back, and those left behind afterward who cared will always miss and lament the loss. Regarding payment to funeral organists and clergy, Monty and I acutely disagree on this one as well. Yes we provide a ministry to these people, = but many of us also rely on weddings and funerals for our INCOME. Not all of us = work multiple jobs and have multiple incomes. Also, I dare say that no doctor = is going to give their services away either. Now you may say "what does that = have to do with ministry?" Well, what of the Hippocratic oath? I am not going = to sue some family that didn't cough up an honorarium for my playing at a = funeral, however they do speak with me during the planning phases of the services = and the honorariums (let's be honest- fees) are clearly spelled out. Only one = family has never paid anything to the musicians in the two years I have = been here and that family was subsidized by the parish in their rent and food and = some of their bills. That particular situation has been a long-standing arrangement with the parish, and I will say that the widow attends Sunday = mass each week without fail. My comment WAS about the attitude Family Funeral Care gave me and some of = my colleagues when we approached them to discuss the problem of payment to musicians and clergy at our parishes where we are responsible for locking = down all of those details with families. Every other funeral home we spoke with = was most agreeable to securing the clergy and musician stipends and then = cutting the check for us and giving them to us at he churches at the time of the = service. Only Family Funeral Care said they couldn't be bothered. THAT was my = issue. When I have to deal with musicians and organists and soloists and pastors = and funeral staff for my own family one day, I would never dream of expecting = any of them to do anything for free. Yes they are ministering, but I also = dare say they are feeding their families by their services. I, for one, am now done with this topic. Anything else? Scott F. Foppiano Memphis, TN (firstname.lastname@example.org) Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.
(back) Subject: Re: Re: nomenclature From: "bobelms" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:22:31 +0800 Thank you Kenneth. That's the organ in question Bo Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: Re: nomenclature > http://www.messfeldt.de/dommusiken/orgeln.htm > > Kenneth L. Sybesma, CAGO > Temple Organist & Director of Children's Music > Temple Or Elohim, Jericho NY > Choirmaster and Organist > Church of the Advent, Westbury NY > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- > tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- > versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to > email@example.com saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web > page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
(back) Subject: Re: 25 note pedalboard From: "Staffan Thuringer" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:37:21 +1100 (EST) "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> wrote I don't recall that the pedals being radiating and concave rather than straight and flat made the slightest difference. Now there's something to discuss <g> Dear Listers, I grew up in Sweden, and learned to play the organ in my early teens. = Being part of the north-European tradition, all pedal boards were of couse = straight and only moderately concave. When I moved to Australia (in 1980), = and was confronted by the British tradition of pedal boards, AGO, I found = the transition quite easy. Having been back to Sweden many times, I have = had very little problems. The only pedal notes that I seem to do mistakes = on seems to be tenor F and G, everything else flows fine. And after half = an hour or so of playing, the problem goes away. When returing to = Australia a month or so later, the same two notes cause problems for a = little while again... Has anyone else experienced this? Regards Staffan Thuringer --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
(back) Subject: Funeral Music From: "Emily Adams" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:43:08 -0500 Subject: Re:Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:33:44 EST From Alan: "Would you have any comment on changes in taste in more recent years?" And Monty: "More and more, we have seen that families want to = "personalize" the services, tailoring them to tell a life story about a person..." On request I recently played "When the Saints Go Marching In" as the recessional at a Presbyterian funeral. I'd been wrinkling my nose in Lutheran Distaste at the notion until the minister explained that when the deceased gentleman of 84 years had been courting his wife of more than 50 years, it was the only song he knew to play for her on the piano. The mourners sang with gusto, and I adjusted my attitude <g>. After all, I got to open my prelude with A Mighty Fortress, same as I usually do.
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Music From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:56:46 EST at Wyoming Presby in Cinti in 1976 or so, i was filling in at a summer funeral--- and that church had NO AC, the request was Little Drummer Boy. Chiff was my best friend for the drum part. It was his favorite of all time of all songs. I was a guest so i could get away with playing it. dale in Florida
(back) Subject: Rauschwerk was nomenclature From: "Thomas Mohr" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:00:52 +0100 The stop in question is called "Rauschwerk" In German organs one finds ferquently the stop Rauschwerk which is a = synonym for Rauschquinte or Rauschpfeife. However in the Cathedral of Ratzeburg, "Rauchwerk" opens a box with some brandy in it. In German it is also a wordplay: "Werk" means a couple of Ranks or a whole division (e.g. Oberwerk, = Brustwerk) and "Rausch" means noisy... therefore Rauschwerk may be roughly ranslated = as "Noisy ranks" or "Noisy division", but not in this case - "Rausch" also refers to being intoxicated .... regards, Thomas -- DI Thomas Mohr Institute for Cancer Research Medical University of Vienna Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna ++43 1 4277 65160
(back) Subject: Re: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "Phil Stimmel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:13:40 -0500 Check out: http://www.esteyorgan.com/Opus2847.html to see an intact, well-maintained Estey in the Dickinson-Streeter Funeral Home in = Springfield, MA. I just visited this organ last week. It's particularly interesting feature is that the Swell box is enclosed inside the Great chamber (which = is also enclosed). Phil Stimmel The Estey Pipe Organ - A Virtual Museum - www.esteyorgan.com -------------------- Subject: I wonder what Funeral Homes have pipe organs? From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:14:51 -0500 Have you ever seen a pipe organ in a Funeral Home? Can you describe it? I know they exist. I've never seen one. I'm curious I guess because = I grew up in a Funeral Home and never heard of a pipe organ in one.
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:31:49 EST In a message dated 12/07/04 7:14:56 AM, ScottFop@aol.com writes: "... several big funeral homes in Memphis and why there are no longer a) = live pipe organs in them ..."
(back) Subject: Re:Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: "John Vanderlee" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:42:23 -0800 FWIW... a favored uncle died at 97 , he loved to feed the birds on his porch, had chats with them. A nice old gentleman. We had a small service at a funeral home; my 19 yr old daughter played "the Swan" on the cello accompanied by my wife on a Yamaha keyboard piano. We thought it was very tasteful and moving. John V > > >I would always prefer to have live musicians over recorded music, but how >often could you just rouse up a Polka band in Charlotte, NC at the last = minute >because Paw-Paw loved to dance the polka, and the family thinks it >would just be >great if his casket could be rolled out of the church to "Roll Out the >Barrel." In times like that, you almost have to resort to a CD of >101 Greatest >Polka Favorites and try to stand there with a straight face, because >you really >don't want Miss Bonny Sue playing songs like that on the organ. I, >would gladly >do a bang up job on something like that, but too often I'm needed to = escort >family or pallbearers or doing something else at the end of a service, if = it >hasn't been planned for me to play ahead of time. > >In church services, it seems to still be the old standards...the Baptists >will always love "Amazing Grace, " "In the Garden," "Blessed >Assurance," "Because >He Lives," "When We All Get to Heaven," and others in that vein. The = more >main line and liturgical churches go for majestic hymns like "For All the >Saints" or "A Mighty Fortress" and classical literature. I've had >several services >where we've walked out to the Widor Toccata, Rigaudon by Campra, and even = the >Mulet Carillon-Sortie. Personally, I like both extremes, just as long as = it's >not recorded music. > >Monty Bennett > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >Administration: mailto:email@example.com >List-Subscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:email@example.com> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Bourbon stops and the like From: "Glenda" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:06:19 -0600 I have been told that I sound much better when the audience is drunk. That=92s not the same thing, is it? Glenda Sutton firstname.lastname@example.org (who did her piano bar debut in New Orleans not long after her honeymoon, but forgot her glass jar for tips) Joke for the day: What's the difference between a dog and a fox? Oh, about 4-5 stiff drinks. -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of John L. Speller It depends.=A0 I have come across=A0a few=A0organists -- one very = eminent retired English cathedral organist in particular (whom I hesitate to name since he is still alive) -- who can play the organ much better when drunk than sober. =A0 John Speller=A0=A0
(back) Subject: RE: Weird request From: "Glenda" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:06:19 -0600 You said the big turn-off word - can you guess what it is? Glenda Sutton firstname.lastname@example.org -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of BlueeyedBear@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:25 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Weird request glenda, if you find it, maybe i could interest you in purchasing my arrangement of "louie louie" for handbell choir...
(back) Subject: RE: Go Tell It on the Mountain From: "Michael David" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:28:30 -0600 I've never played any of these but this is what my computer tells me I = have (somewhere) in the house. Timothy Albrecht Augsburg Organ Library - Christmas Augsburg Fortress 0-8006-5935-X Wilbur Held Christmas Comes Again Morning Star MSM-10-148 Paul Manz Improvisations for the Christmas Season - Set 2 Morning Star MSM-10-101 Michael -----Original Message----- From: email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Margarete Thomsen Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:36 AM To: PipeChat; PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu Subject: Go Tell It on the Mountain Can anyone recommend organ settings of this tune?
(back) Subject: Was: Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: "Glenda" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 08:28:32 -0600 I really am going to have to look outside this list for someone to play my funeral. Geez - and that was the reason I signed on in the first place! Glenda Sutton firstname.lastname@example.org (dressed for success and off to Tallahassee)
(back) Subject: Playing Your Funeral Music? From: "F. Richard Burt" <email@example.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:40:43 -0600 Glenda: > I really am going to have to look outside this list for someone to play > my funeral. Geez - and that was the reason I signed on in the first > place! How morbid! <grins> Better yet! > (dressed for success and off to Tallahassee) Now, there is an idea that portends a deviation from the day's normal ups and downs. You look great! Dick Burt ..
(back) Subject: RE: Funeral Homes with pipe organs From: "Daniel Hancock" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:46:06 -0600 >and the family thinks it would just be=20 >great if his casket could be rolled out of the church to "Roll Out the=20 >Barrel." In times like that, you almost have to resort to a CD of 101 >= Greatest=20 >Polka Favorites and try to stand there with a straight face, because you= >really=20 >don't want Miss Bonny Sue playing songs like that on the organ. =20 That reminds me of an experience I had, when, as a sophomore in college, = I played for my first funeral at my first church job. It was at the fune= ral home--complete with all the terrible 1970's "victorian" d=E9cor--in a= chapel with carpet, CMU walls, and drop acoustic ceiling. The electroni= c organ was something like a small Wurlitzer. The family's request was t= hat the last number of the prelude, to be played as they processed in at = the start of the service, be "Alley Cat." =20 I was too na=EFve to decline, and so I did, but I promised to myself duri= ng the event that it wouldn't ever happen again! (I'm sure that no-one b= ut the family knew that the deceased's musical favorite was "Alley Cat"). In any case, I don't any longer accept requests to play for services in f= uneral homes, unless the services are for those to whom I had personal co= nnections. However, I find that since most of those people request my se= rvices because I'm an organist, also choose to have their services in a c= hurch with a real organ. Most of the chapels in funeral homes around here are moving away from the= declining electronic instruments with inadequate manual and pedal range = and moving towards digital keyboard synthesizers that anyone with any lev= el (or lack of) keyboard skills can walk in and play. I've heard many a = "pianist" couple the piano with the strings, and then proceed to play jus= t like they would a piano--generally holding the damper pedal down. It's= terrible. Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri
(back) Subject: Re: Weird request From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:38:12 EST In a message dated 12/7/04 6:09:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,=20 email@example.com writes: > You said the big turn-off word =E2=80=93 can you guess what it is? not a clue.
(back) Subject: Organs in Hospitals From: "Daniel Hancock" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:42:45 -0600 I once read the description of what appeared to be a very lovely small organ in a hospital chapel. I have no remembrance of what or where it was, though I seem to recall that it was a restored 19th-century instrument in a free-standing case. =20 Anyone know of such an instrument? And if not, what about other hospital chapels that have pipe organs? Of course, the most famous example may be the Alexandre Thierry organ at the Chapel of Ste-Louis at Les Invalides, Paris, where Napoleon is buried. You can see pictures of it at:=20 http://www.manufacture-orgues.fr/Inval.htm =20 Our local St. John's hospital in Springfield has a lovely chapel on the 5th floor. It's a wing of it's own, sitting on the 4th floor roof, kind of like an ell to the main building. Built in the 1950's, it has a plaster coffered barrel-vault ceiling, stained glass windows, marble paneling and columns, and terrazzo floors. All which make for quite a stunning acoustic. Too, it has an organ/choir loft, but no organ (save a Hammond in the front). =20 =20 Let's hear about hospital organs. Do many exist? =20 Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri =20 =20