PipeChat Digest #4990 - Saturday, December 11, 2004
 
I guess it's been too long since I spent much time in California.
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
Re:Dear me that took its time coming.........
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Dear me that took its time coming.........
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: I guess it's been too long since I spent much time in	California.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
It's Not Just Us (Meow)
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: who wrote "this is the day which the lord has made"?
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Peterson & Bach
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Organs & Church Music In Holland
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Scott's Recital
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Let's be tolerant but tend to our own gardens
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
Re: Recital News
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: who wrote "this is the day which the lord has made"?
  by "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net>
Re: Dear me that took its time coming.........
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: Peterson & Bach
  by "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Scott's Recital
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Recital News
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
New addition to Theater Organ files
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4989 - 12/11/04
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: Peterson & Bach
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: I guess it's been too long since I spent much time in California. From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:25:16 -0800   Alan Freed wrote,   =3D-> I guess it's been too long since I spent much time in California. Is "Chicano" no longer the label of choice? <-=3D     Eeep! That's about as dated as "Orientals" or - well, lest I wade into politically incorrect waters here, I'll stop while I'm ahead. The acceptable term today is "Latinos" - and, oddly, a separate label for the gals (now THAT's not really very P.C. is it?!) - "Latinas."   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Re:Dear me that took its time coming......... From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:45:27 EST   >We MIGHT have been able to stave off CCM and praise bands if WE'D been a >LITTLE more flexible.   Bud makes a perfect point here...and everyone needs to listen. I've been harping on this point for years to other musicians and, unfortunately, = their noses have all been to high in the air for it to do them any good. I've = been lucky that I've had teachers who have kept my attitude in check--and have = slapped me down when I got haughty. We CAN have OUR preferences, and we CAN = educate, BUT we CAN NOT just thrust our ideals upon a congregation because we feel = like it. We are not the voice of the congregation, no matter we think. We = don't make the judgement call. That's why there are commitees and boards and = all those other things that we hate to be sounding boards--for us to bounce = ideas off of. We just can't go into a church and upheave the whole style of worshhip because we feel that the music done is beneath OUR standards. It takes = time to educate the people and get their level raised, and while doing so, we = might have to lower OUR standards a little to meet THEIRS in a common ground. From = that point, when the two meet, progress can be made.   C.S. Lewis says in "On Church Music, " "There are two music situations on =   which I think we can be confident that a blessing rests. One is where a = priest or an organist, himself a man of trained and delicate taste, humbly and charitably sacrifices his own (aesthetically right) desires and gives the = people humbler and coarser fare than he would wish, in a belief(even as it may = be, an erroneous belief) that he can thus bring them to God. The other is where = the stupid and unmusical layman humbly and patiently, and above all silently, listens to music which he cannot, or cannot fully, appreciate, in the = belief that it somehow glorifies God, and that if it does not edify him this must be his = own defect. Neither such a High Brow nor a Low Brow can be far out of the = way. To both, Church Music will have been a means of grace; not the music they = have liked, but the music they have disliked. They have both offered, = sacrificed, their taste in the fullest sense."   Attitudes of snobbery have no place in church or synagogue, or school, for =   that matter. No matter what any of us think, we are here to serve God = first and the congregation second. I'm sure that God doesn't appreciate negative attitudes from those leading "the flock." Why do people drop out of choir = programs and start looking for other options? Because they've been turned off or turned away by the musical leadership. We need to reevaluate. It's no wonder that people aren't interested in taking up church music.     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Dear me that took its time coming......... From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:30:35 EST   In a message dated 12/11/2004 8:46:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, = RMB10@aol.com writes:   > We MIGHT have been able to stave off CCM and praise bands if WE'D been a =   > >LITTLE more flexible. > >   in addition to MB's poignant points,   The organ is the SINGULARLY MOST SUITABLE PAD instrument in the world.   No dying strings, no repeated loops of sound, the whisper of a celeste to = the SFZ. That loud sound is the only thing usually found on the keyboards of today.   Re assert our strengths by offering our services in making music to the = same Creator they are looking to for help in life.   Even on the Friday night Tot Shabbat services i used to play, the organ "helped" with outlining melody whilst the guitars whaled away.   they got tired LONG before i did. <G>   happy advent III to one and all   dale in 70 degrees and being thankful we finally turned off the AC  
(back) Subject: Re: I guess it's been too long since I spent much time in California. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:45:19 -0500   On 12/11/04 5:25 AM, "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> wrote:   > The acceptable term today is "Latinos" - and, oddly, a separate label = for the > gals (now THAT's not really very P.C. is it?!) - "Latinas."   OK. Thanks. We use Latinos and Latinas in New York too, now.   I never DID figure out what was wrong with "Orientals," but I've pretty = much managed to toe the line in the past couple years.   As a Scandinavian, I'm still happy to be called a "Square-Head." Doesn't bother ME.   Alan      
(back) Subject: It's Not Just Us (Meow) From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:16:38 -0500   Slightly off topic, but demonstrating that organists are not the only musicians who enjoy indulging in a tasty saucer of milk from time to time:   www.richardthompson-music.com/audio/I_Agree_With_Pat_Metheny.mp3    
(back) Subject: Re: who wrote "this is the day which the lord has made"? From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:24:18 EST   HMM... This is the Day..... This is the Day... that the Lord hath made. Let us rejoice.... Let us rejoice... and be glad in it. That one? Victoria  
(back) Subject: Peterson & Bach From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:16:17 -0600   Thank you, Charlie and Bud, for saying so eloquently that "common" or "ordinary" music can touch people deeply. There is a place for the finest and best of all that is ever written--but there is also a place for simpler music that people find more accessible and volunteer choirs find more singable. The stats show that the AVERAGE congregation in the US has less than 100 on a Sunday morning, and a good many have less than fifty. Unless the circumstances are quite unusual, you are not going to have a large, well-educated and trained, choir. With luck, you'll have a few good voices, a few that can read music, and some that just love to "make a joyful noise." Yes, the organist/choirmaster/whatever should be educating the choir and the congregation------poco a poco---but realize it take MUCH longer than many of us are willing to wait. I think it's a mistake to put down good people just because they don't have a fine musical education and happen to like Peterson more than Bach!   My three cents worth (adjusted for inflation). ;>)   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs & Church Music In Holland From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:22:58 -0500   Hi, Jerry,   Wow! Many thanks. This is precisely the sort of info I=B9ve hoped my wife and I can consider as we plan a trip some day. All the best to you. Karl   On 12/11/04 3:45 AM, "JKVDP@aol.com" <JKVDP@aol.com> wrote:   > In a message dated 12/10/2004 4:58:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, > kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes: >> but might I seek advice from one or more list readers >> here as to places we should try to see/hear and perhaps comments about >> significant organs > I recommend the Sunday Morning Service at the Boven Kerk in Kampen, a lov= ely > ancient city. When we were there a few years ago, the organist improvised= a > magnificent symphony on chorales and psalms for the prelude. The > congregational introductions were amazing and the huge congregation sang = with > great enthusiasm. Yes, the lady sitting next to us noted that we American= s who > not have Dutch peppermints, and promptly provided them for us! Normally y= our > have one peppermint for each of the three points of the sermon. The > Congregation is of a healthy conservative nature and the nave was crowded= .. The > organ is a Muller. > =20 > Jerry van der Pol > Seattle >=20      
(back) Subject: Scott's Recital From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:23:01 -0600   Scott said: I gave a recital to fulfill my degree here at the University = of Illinois last night. The turn out was amazing, with over 100 people = there. __________   Wish I'd known, Scott--I'd have been there--I'm just a little over an hour away.....in fact, I was in Urbana last night!   Where was the recital? Organ? One of Buzard's per chance?           Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:56:35 -0500   On 12/11/04 12:16 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > happen to like Peterson more than Bach!   Which reminds me (I've been wanting to ask):   I=B9d never heard of John Peterson until a couple weeks ago. But now I=B9ve heard great things about him. But I don=B9t know who he WAS. Could there b= e a very brief summary of who, when, and where he was? (Just a couple sentences.)   I had at least a couple ancestors of his name (in Sweden)=8Bbut they were stone-masons, so I doubt there=B9s any connection; the name is quite common there.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Let's be tolerant but tend to our own gardens From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:59:57 -0500   Dear Charlie and List: I want to apologize profusely if anything I said cast any negative = aspersions on Charlie. I enjoyed his post tremendously. He is a great = writer and portrayed for us a slice of life and human experience. What I = was trying to say is that experiences like this that some of us have = should convince us that there are many musical and social cultures and = that we should respect that fact that other people have other ways of = doing things that we sometimes find strange or even distasteful. I myself found a certain sense of wonder and delight in Charlie's = post, as if he found himself in an alien world that he didn't understand. = Agina, I did not mean to suggest anything negative about Charlie and I = apologize if I gave that impression. Please keep those posts coming Charlie! Best Regards, Roy Kersey Organ Enthusaist & Amateur Trumpeter    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital News From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:58:54 -0600   Congrats Scott, Wish you would have let us know about the recital in = advance. Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Montgomery=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Recital News     I gave a recital to fulfill my degree here at the University of = Illinois last night. The turn out was amazing, with over 100 people = there. Not bad for a school recital in a rather small town. It was a = good feeling that so many people were amazed by an organist. (I played = the Prelude and Fugue in D by Bach and the organ was in the front and = centered so that I was visible.)   Just ensured my faith in practicing so much for these recitals!   Scott Montgomery       Scott Montgomery=20 619 W Church St=20 Champaign, IL 61820=20 217-390-0158=20 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: RE: who wrote "this is the day which the lord has made"? From: "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:19:33 -0500   Scot, This is in the Baptist Hymnal in 3 settings all in 3/2 time: 1.This Is the Day the Lord Has Made" in G page 358. 2. Living Stones in Eb page 353. 3. Am I a Soldier of the Cross in D page 481. The hymn tune is Arlington, music by Thomas A. Arne, words by Isaac Watts. All of these are the 2 line versions. Hope this helps some. Good luck in your search of the anthem. Bob   _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of BlueeyedBear@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 10:06 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: who wrote "this is the day which the lord has made"?     ok, it was a choral anthem. i used to have the entire anthem, but that = was in another lifetime. i grew up in a southern baptist church which used = only the first page or so as a choral call to worship. as i recall, the anthem closes with the same few phrases in which it opens.  
(back) Subject: Re: Dear me that took its time coming......... From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:25:23 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters: =20 > We MIGHT have been able to stave off CCM and=20 > praise bands if WE'D been a LITTLE more flexible. =20 What CCM has going for it is commercial broadcast=20 radio. That includes some of the "listener sponsored"=20 radio stations, too, because they have built their=20 entire programming around CCM. It is broadcast 24/7=20 and appeals to many Christians because it gives them=20 something that has professed basis on Scripture and=20 entertains them all week long. =20 Don't listen for Church Music on a CCM broadcast=20 station. If they broadcast Church Music, most=20 listeners will tune to another source of CCM. It=20 has become a cultural issue now. =20 For those people, it is "natural" to expect to hear=20 CCM in church on Sunday. Much more can be said about=20 this subject, but I won't attempt it today. =20 I wonder what would happen if we attempted to=20 duplicate the task by broadcasting traditional=20 Church music 24/7? Is it good enough for the=20 public forum? =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..
(back) Subject: RE: Peterson & Bach From: "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:49:49 -0500   Alan, Click on the address below for a bio on John. I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church in the 60s, and we sang a lot of Peterson works. His Christmas and Easter cantatas were main stays in all 6 Baptist Churches in town. I always looked forward to those as an organist, and I had a = fantastic pianist to work with. All volunteer choir (30-40) most Sundays, and a = Choir Director that had the most nasal voice you ever heard. But Petersons works were always enjoyed by all. http://www.johnwpetersonmusic.com/johnw_.htm Bob Bell   _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 12:57 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach     On 12/11/04 12:16 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" = <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   > happen to like Peterson more than Bach!   Which reminds me (I've been wanting to ask):   I'd never heard of John Peterson until a couple weeks ago. But now I've heard great things about him. But I don't know who he WAS. Could there = be a very brief summary of who, when, and where he was? (Just a couple sentences.)   I had at least a couple ancestors of his name (in Sweden)-but they were stone-masons, so I doubt there's any connection; the name is quite common there.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:03:59 -0800   Bio at:   http://www.johnwpetersonmusic.com/johnw_.htm   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > On 12/11/04 12:16 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" > <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote: > > > happen to like Peterson more than Bach! > > Which reminds me (I've been wanting to ask): > > I=92d never heard of John Peterson until a couple weeks ago. But now = I=92ve > heard great things about him. But I don=92t know who he WAS. Could > there be a very brief summary of who, when, and where he was? (Just a > couple sentences.) > > I had at least a couple ancestors of his name (in Sweden)=97but they = were > stone-masons, so I doubt there=92s any connection; the name is quite > common there. > > Alan >    
(back) Subject: Re: Scott's Recital From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:58:46 -0800 (PST)   The recital was on a Dobson, two manual, 17 stop organ. Little organ, but = a big full sound. I will download the files I recorded on my DAT and put = them up on my website, as well as sending them to = organsandorganistsonline. Thanks         Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:04:46 -0800   His place of birth would seem to indicate a connection ... perhaps it's a Swedish community in Kansas?   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote:   > On 12/11/04 12:16 PM, "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" > <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote: > > > happen to like Peterson more than Bach! > > Which reminds me (I've been wanting to ask): > > I=92d never heard of John Peterson until a couple weeks ago. But now = I=92ve > heard great things about him. But I don=92t know who he WAS. Could > there be a very brief summary of who, when, and where he was? (Just a > couple sentences.) > > I had at least a couple ancestors of his name (in Sweden)=97but they = were > stone-masons, so I doubt there=92s any connection; the name is quite > common there. > > Alan >    
(back) Subject: Re: Recital News From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:00:45 -0800 (PST)   Sorry Gary, but you know, I have been so busy with school, church, = weddings, Christmas gigs, I could only advertise so much. I will = defiantly let everyone know of my next one, probably in April.   Gary Black <gblack@ocslink.com> wrote:Congrats Scott, Wish you would have = let us know about the recital in advance. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Montgomery To: PipeChat Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:13 PM Subject: Recital News     I gave a recital to fulfill my degree here at the University of Illinois = last night. The turn out was amazing, with over 100 people there. Not = bad for a school recital in a rather small town. It was a good feeling = that so many people were amazed by an organist. (I played the Prelude and = Fugue in D by Bach and the organ was in the front and centered so that I = was visible.) Just ensured my faith in practicing so much for these recitals!   Scott Montgomery       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: New addition to Theater Organ files From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:47:12 -0600   Greetings,   For the Theater Organ enthusiasts on the List, a new mp3 of John Foss playing Billy Mayerl's "Sussex Downs" has been added to the Organs and Organists Online downloads. Recorded on the III/132/17 rank Compton = Theater Organ, Malvern Town Hall, Australia,   Enjoy!   Tim Grenz      
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:57:41 -0500   On 12/11/04 1:49 PM, "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net> wrote:   > Click on the address below for a bio on John. I grew up in the Southern > Baptist Church in the 60s, and we sang a lot of Peterson works. >=20 Bob Bell:   THANK you. You=B9ve really filled me in. I was surprised to find what a contemporary guy he is.   He was born in a VERY Swedish Lutheran town (even with a Swedish Lutheran college, etc.). And is only abut a decade older than I am. (I was assuming he was from a generation or two earlier=8Bthough with no reason for such an assumption.)   Thanks again!   Alan   John W. Peterson (1921-=A0=A0=A0=A0 ) was born in Lindsborg, Kansas, and began his musical career while he was still in his teens.  
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:16:45 -0500   On 12/11/04 2:03 PM, "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > Bio at: >=20 http://www.johnwpetersonmusic.com/johnw_.htm >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Bud >=20 With our paths not all THAT far apart (church music, MidWest, Swedish Lutheran, approx. contemporaries), I'm even MORE surprised that I never kne= w of him. Only excuse: I was much more in touch with Norwegian stuff than Swedish (though to my regret).   I wouldn=B9t even have TRIED a Google=8Bit would be like looking up David Johnson (or John Peterson) in the Minneapolis phone book, which, for just that purpose, has a separate volume for =B3them.=B2 Would you believe that in Iceland, the phone directories are by FIRST name?=8Bfor just that reason, tha= t there are so FEW surnames that a =B3search=B2 is impossible.   It=B9s also why, in 18th/19th-century Sweden, when a young man was conscripted, he had to =B3pick=B2 a new surname, because there was SO much duplication. =20   Thanks.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4989 - 12/11/04 From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:21:34 +0200   Hello,   Tim has added the final recording from my one and only appearance at a Theatre Organ - Billy Mayerl's "Sussex Downs." This has an interesting history - well, interesting to me, anyway - you = may be bored to tears by it! A couple of years ago I asked on one of the lists - maybe several of them = - I have never been very selective in my favours - if anyone had a copy of this wonderful piece. I had first heard it played by Gerald Shaw in a broadcast from the 5 manual Compton organ in the Odeon Cinema, Leicester Square, London. (UK, not Ontario.) I was turning the pages for GS as an eager schoolboy - as a reward I used to get 15 minutes on "The Duchess". List member Bruce Miles said that if I got a copy, could he have one too. = I did get a copy of Billy Mayerl's "Bats in the Belfry" - I'm learning that for next year - but I said that I would try and write it out from memory. Bruce went rather better than me and did that very thing. He sent it to me = - it's on the Scores section of http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ - = and now it's also on the Theatre Organ Downloads Section. Happy listening!   By the way, sorry for underestimating Jared's age. Time goes so fast I = just lose track of these rapidly aging geniuses! I have a little eight year old =   (I nearly said seven) called Axilleas who can be seen playing the organ in =   my living room on the residence organs section of O & O O. He came for a lesson this morning - kid's like this are a pleasure to teach. OK - he started a year ago and has only got to the J S Bach "Minuet in G" from the =   Anna Magdalena Notebook, but he learns so quickly. Explain something to = him once, go through it twice and he goes home and learns it. Next lesson he = has it by heart. He's playing this, and a couple of other pieces, along with some of my other kids, next Sunday in THE CHRISTMAS PARTY! He's the only = boy in his school who is up to "Junior" Concert level. Bravo Axilleas! (Achilles, for those of you who have studied Greek history.)   John Foss   John Foss      
(back) Subject: Re: Peterson & Bach From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:22:45 -0500   On 12/11/04 2:04 PM, "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> wrote:   > His place of birth would seem to indicate a connection ... perhaps it's > a Swedish community in Kansas?   Most exTREMEly so! I have a friend (retired Danish-American pastor) who lives there; to get a restaurant meal, he has to use the back door by the kitchen.   Alan