PipeChat Digest #4998 - Tuesday, December 14, 2004
 
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Haskell
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Martini Model Holtkamp
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Haskell
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Martini Model Holtkamp
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
RE: Martini Model Holtkamp
  by "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Philadelphia Convention Hall Moller - from another list - crosspost
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Holtkamp Martini on e-bay
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis)
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "alantaylor1" <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk>
RE: Philadelphia Civic Hall Moller - profile
  by "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Christmas at ORGANLive
  by "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Gluing yourself back together (wildly OT...!)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: I superglued my hand back together!
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:50:42 -0000   Agreed - it is very like the average cathedral organ over here - and = bigger than most parish churches, even large ones.   The organ in the private chapel is much more like a typical English = parish church. The spec is as follows:   =20   Department Stop name Pitch     Pedal =20   1 Bourdon 16     =20   Department Stop name Pitch     Great =20   2 Open Diapason 8     3 Viol de Gamba 8     4 Stop Diapason Bass 8     5 Clarabella Trebble 8 sic =20   6 Principal 4     7 Claronet Flute 4 sic =20   8 Twelfth 2 = 2/3     9 Fifteenth 2     10 Sesquialtera III     =20   Department Stop name Pitch =20   Swell =20   11 Stop Diapason Bass 8     12 Stop Diapason Treble 8     13 Dulciana 8     14 Open Diapason 8 = not listed by BCl =20   15 Principal 4     16 Fifteenth 2     17 Oboe 8     =20   Blowing: Electric   Tuning: Equal Temperament   =20   3 composition pedals to Great; hitch down swell lever.   =20   I have seen the Long Hall organ some years ago, but there are yards of = red rope to keep you from having a real good look!   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RonSeverin@aol.com Sent: 14 December 2004 16:28 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Blenheim Palace   =20   Dear Will:   =20   The Blenheim organ seems to be a very complete four manual   and pedal. Nothing small about this organ as someone opined.   It appears to be the size of the average cathedral installation,   while not disgustingly huge, it is complete. Well, it could use   a tierce in the swell.   =20   Ron    
(back) Subject: Haskell From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:16:27 -0500   List,   I've asked this question before, but I don't remember if I got a specific answer:   The specific question is how short can one make a 16' pitch Viole or Dulciana pipe by haskelling it?   While surfing around, I noticed that Kegg built an organ for FUMC, Winnsboro, SC. Apparently, they felt that a 16' flue was needed, but = there wasn't space for a 16' Principal. They extended the Viole down an octave using haskell basses. Apparently, this gave a little "something" to the pedal that could not be provided by the 16' Bourdon alone. When used = along with the 16' Bourdon, it would mimic a 16' Diapason.   I'm trying to apply that to a home situation. That's why I wonder how = much height can be saved by haskelling.   I was intrigued by Seb's inclusion of the reed box to complete the 16' octave for the Dulciana in his Alexander Chapel organ. Perhaps this would be a more cost-effective solution for a home project.   Thanks, Keith    
(back) Subject: Martini Model Holtkamp From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:28:27 -0500     Anyone interested should check out this link.   I have maintained the instrument for over thirty years and can vouch for the value.   Jim       http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3766796944                                   Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a ficus carica 39.37 inches/sec
(back) Subject: Re: Haskell From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:47:30 -0500   > The specific question is how short can one make a 16' pitch Viole or > Dulciana pipe by haskelling it? >   10 feet-ISH (toe to top). If anyone has a more precise figure, please reveal. :) Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:56:32 -0500   Ok, not quite...   I slammed my thumb in the car door maybe 6 weeks back, with the blood = under the fingernail and all that (it was more pain than I've ever = experienced... thought about drilling out the nail but never did get the nerve). I knew the nail would fall off eventually. I was hoping it might be after Christmas. I am working on an accompaniment that involves all sorts of thumb glissandos to make the fingering work. Well, wouldn't you know = today it started coming loose on one corner... the corner that comes in contact with the key. I thought about trying to remove it all the way, but = squeemed at the thought of it (it's still pretty healthily attached in some = places). The new nail under-laps(a new word I just made up) the old one slightly, = so I drove to the nearest mini-mart and bought some krazy glue (CA glue) and glued it back down. Working great so far! Here's hoping that it keeps working great this Sunday...   Just thought I'd pass that along in case anyone else ever forgets to get their fingers out of the way (I'm not the only one whos ever done this... = am I). :)   Andy     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Martini Model Holtkamp From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:02:29 -0500   Do I ever wish I had the space for this! Syracuse University had six of these when I was a student there, and I spent hundreds of hours on those instruments. I will envy the person who gets this!   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Jim McFarland wrote:   > > Anyone interested should check out this link. > > I have maintained the instrument for over thirty years and can vouch > for the value. > > Jim > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3766796944 > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3766796944> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a ficus carica 39.37 > inches/sec      
(back) Subject: RE: Martini Model Holtkamp From: "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:16:12 -0500   Subject: Martini Model Holtkamp   > I have maintained the instrument for over thirty years and can vouch for the value.   Jim - could you tell us what the description does not? The details of the pipework were somewhat garbled by the university bureaucracy.   "and 120 cymbal (mixtures) settings and other smaller pipes for the highest pitches of each rank. "   Harry Martenas      
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:17:51 EST   Isn't that a health hazard? lol Best Regards, Gregory Hinson  
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:32:31 -0500   On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:17:51 EST, AEolianSkinner wrote > Isn't that a health hazard? lol > > Best Regards, > Gregory Hinson I'll have to get back to you on that... its probably too soon to know! :)   Though I just did a quick google search and found out that superglue is commonly used for cosmetic fingernail repairs, so I'm probably ok. = Couldn't find anything on glueing a whole nail back on though! :)   Andy     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Convention Hall Moller - from another list - crosspost From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:45:29 EST   I am sorry, but after reading Paul's and Jonathan's words, this just makes = me sick. WHY are almost ALL of the big civic organs going away? We have one right here in Memphis that, what's left, is sitting rotting and water damaged = and rusting and mouse eaten in the basement of the Cook Convention Center and = the city couldn't care less. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR CULTURE IN THIS COUNTRY?????   Scott F. Foppiano Memphis, TN (scottfop@aol.com) Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.  
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:46:30 -0600   Andy Lawrence wrote:   >On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:17:51 EST, AEolianSkinner wrote > > >>Isn't that a health hazard? lol >> >>Best Regards, >> Gregory Hinson >> >> >I'll have to get back to you on that... its probably too soon to know! = :) > >Though I just did a quick google search and found out that superglue is >commonly used for cosmetic fingernail repairs, so I'm probably ok. = Couldn't >find anything on glueing a whole nail back on though! >:) > >Andy > > A doctor friend of mine suggested super-glue when I had a difficult-to-bandage cut on a fingertip. I was able to keep playing without feeling it every time I pressed a key. Who knew? We've been going to doctors when it turns out we can just head to the hardware store! Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand http://www.organlive.com    
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500   > > > > > A doctor friend of mine suggested super-glue when I had a > difficult-to-bandage cut on a fingertip. I was able to keep playing > without feeling it every time I pressed a key. Who knew? We've > been going to doctors when it turns out we can just head to the > hardware store! Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on > demand http://www.organlive.com >   Now that you mention it, I've heard that superglue is becoming a common replacement for stitches in many situations. Perfect for the do-it- yourselfer! :)   Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:04:46 +1300   >The Blenheim organ seems to be a very complete four manual and pedal. Nothing small about this organ as someone opined. It appears to be the size of the average cathedral installation,     As it was me who "opined", let me add a note or two. The average cathedral installation in the UK is a lot bigger than 53 stops, in my experience of them. Not all, of course, but a great many are, and there are many of the bigger parish churches that have bigger organs than this, too.   All that said, aren't we all just a teensy wee bit jealous? Some of us, = even then, would tonally prefer any of half a dozen other builders to Willis, even from the UK. I'm sure Colin Mitchell would rather have 40 stops Lewis than 53 stops Willis, just for a start.   And now I'm off to play a 2m Allen electroid for a funeral.......... I'd happily swop this for even a 5rk unit job of 2m & Ped.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Holtkamp Martini on e-bay From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:06:41 -0800   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3766796944    
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis) From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:05:31 -0600     >All that said, aren't we all just a teensy wee bit jealous? Some of us, >even >then, would tonally prefer any of half a dozen other builders to Willis, >even from the UK. I'm sure Colin Mitchell would rather have 40 stops Lewis >than 53 stops Willis, just for a start.   This comes as a surprise to me--I've always thought that Willis really rated amongst 19th-century English builders. I've never played one nor heard one in person, though. =20   Care to elaborate as to why? Enlighten me...   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri  
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:13:18 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Ahem!   I lived with an almost identical Father Willis organ to that in Blenheim Palace at St.Augustine's Kilburn, North London. The only difference was that the Solo stops remained prepared for....hence no Tuba etc.   I liked the organ, and never tired of the reeds....magnifique!   That said, Ross is quite right that I would prefer a Lewis if only for the chorus-work, which on a Willis is nearer to a string chorus than a Diapason one.   It's interesting, that the truly awful abilities of Willis III saw off the Lewis company in very short measure, and obliged Lewis to stop organ-building by forcing his retirement.   Forget Liverpool.....that was "daddy" Willis II, by and large.   In fact, did Willis III ever build a decent instrument?   Am I alone in hating every single one I have ever heard?   OMG! Will Light will be after me with a hammer!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   I'm sure Colin Mitchell would > rather have 40 stops Lewis > than 53 stops Willis, just for a start. >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:16:21 -0500   I don't really know my Willisae. What time periods were I, II, and III? Andy   On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:13:18 -0800 (PST), Colin Mitchell wrote > Hello, > > Ahem! > > I lived with an almost identical Father Willis organ > to that in Blenheim Palace at St.Augustine's Kilburn, > North London. The only difference was that the Solo > stops remained prepared for....hence no Tuba etc. > > I liked the organ, and never tired of the > reeds....magnifique! > > That said, Ross is quite right that I would prefer a > Lewis if only for the chorus-work, which on a Willis > is nearer to a string chorus than a Diapason one. > > It's interesting, that the truly awful abilities of > Willis III saw off the Lewis company in very short > measure, and obliged Lewis to stop organ-building by > forcing his retirement. > > Forget Liverpool.....that was "daddy" Willis II, by > and large. > > In fact, did Willis III ever build a decent > instrument? > > Am I alone in hating every single one I have ever > heard? > > OMG! Will Light will be after me with a hammer! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > I'm sure Colin Mitchell would > > rather have 40 stops Lewis > > than 53 stops Willis, just for a start. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:18:04 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Refer to my other posting re: Fr.Willis.   However, whilst he made fantastic sounding organs in many ways, the reeds and heavily drafted basses totally dominate the ensemble.   I think Lewis was a far better flue voicer, but Willis had a way with reeds.   Interestingly, Cavaille-Coll didn't rate Willis at all!   I doubt that William Hill did, and Lewis certainly wouldn't have approved.   It took a long time before proper chorus work was combined with really fine reeds to match those of Willis, but Walker managed it at Blackburn Cathedral in 1969......my favouritye organ in the UK, and one of the smallest of cathedral organs.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Daniel Hancock <dhancock@brpae.com> wrote:   > > This comes as a surprise to me--I've always thought > that Willis really > rated amongst 19th-century English builders. I've > never played one nor > heard one in person, though. > > Care to elaborate as to why? Enlighten me...       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page =96 Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "alantaylor1" <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:28:08 -0000   I suppose you count the wonderful Willis 111 organ at Westminster = Cathedral as a Lewis Colin?   Alan London     Hello,   Ahem!   I lived with an almost identical Father Willis organ to that in Blenheim Palace at St.Augustine's Kilburn, North London. The only difference was that the Solo stops remained prepared for....hence no Tuba etc.   I liked the organ, and never tired of the reeds....magnifique!   That said, Ross is quite right that I would prefer a Lewis if only for the chorus-work, which on a Willis is nearer to a string chorus than a Diapason one.   It's interesting, that the truly awful abilities of Willis III saw off the Lewis company in very short measure, and obliged Lewis to stop organ-building by forcing his retirement.   Forget Liverpool.....that was "daddy" Willis II, by and large.   In fact, did Willis III ever build a decent instrument?   Am I alone in hating every single one I have ever heard?   OMG! Will Light will be after me with a hammer!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   I'm sure Colin Mitchell would > rather have 40 stops Lewis > than 53 stops Willis, just for a start. >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>     -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 14/12/2004   -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 14/12/2004    
(back) Subject: RE: Philadelphia Civic Hall Moller - profile From: "Harry E. Martenas" <harrym@epix.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:44:24 -0500   Peter Storandt reminded me that the M=F6ller in Philadelphia Civic = Center was profiled a while back in TAO. Jonathan Ambrosino gave me the author, and a probable date. And I found it:   The American Organist, October, 1990, article by Irvin R. Glazer. The specification is *very* long. Anyone who has the issue and would like to do some of the typing, or scan it and post it somewhere, please speak up.   It is quite amazing. Two consoles, theatre and classic style, plus "Artiste" roll player.   Great synoptic 16.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.8.4.4.4.2 2/3.2.1 3/5.1 1/3.1 1/7.1.V.16.8.4   Harry      
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:11:17 +0800   No. My mother had to confirm that she wasn't trying to commit suicide when = she got her hand slammed in a closing door.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: I superglued my hand back together! Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:56:32 -0500   > Just thought I'd pass that along in case anyone else ever forgets to get > their fingers out of the way (I'm not the only one whos ever done this...= am > I). :)   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Christmas at ORGANLive From: "Brent Johnson" <brentmj@charter.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:43:14 -0600   For the remainder of the holiday season, the playlist on ORGANLive is all organ music of Christmas and Advent. You can still browse through the entire library of nearly 2300 tracks and request whatever tracks you want to hear, so come tune in and listen. It's free and works with dial-up or broadband connections!   http://www.organlive.com   Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the organ on demand  
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:51:53 +0800   Although less bulky than duct tape, I can't imagine that large doses of cya= noacetate can be really good for you. I know my father has used CA to repai= r a broken bridge in an emergency situation.   But, you might also want to think twice if you go in for heart surgery and = the doctor is carrying a bottle of rubber cement.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:50:04 -0500   > > A doctor friend of mine suggested super-glue when I had a=20 > > difficult-to-bandage cut on a fingertip. I was able to keep=20 > > playing without feeling it every time I pressed a key. Who knew?=20 > > We've been going to doctors when it turns out we can just head=20 > > to the hardware store! Brent Johnson ORGANLive - Music of the=20 > > organ on demand http://www.organlive.com > > > Now that you mention it, I've heard that superglue is becoming a common > replacement for stitches in many situations. Perfect for the do-it- > yourselfer! :) >=20 > Andy     -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Gluing yourself back together (wildly OT...!) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:01:59 -0600   At 04:50 PM 12/14/2004, Andy wrote: (was: I superglued my hand back = together!)   >Now that you mention it, I've heard that superglue is becoming a common >replacement for stitches in many situations. Perfect for the do-it- >yourselfer! :)   Funny that you mention that, Andy.   Several years ago, I was involved in an auto accident, in which I received =   a nice gash in the center of my forehead. (who knew that the glass in a rearview mirror is over 1/4" thick...? I didn't, until then!) Once I ultimately arrived at the hospital, the attending Doc cleaned the wound = and had gone so far as to order a typical needle/thread stitches kit prepared, =   when he remembered that they had just got a brand-new "skin glue" type treatment, which was supposed to be specifically designed for areas of the =   body (like the forehead, for instance?) where the scars from normal stiching would end up being visible.   He was very nearly apologetic when he explained the process and asked if I'd mind if he tried it...making certain I knew that he hadn't ever really =   used it before...;-)...but he had me sold with a comment I still remember -- "after all, you've already got one big hole in your forehead...does it really make that much sense to fix it by poking it full of a bunch of little holes?" <LOL>   Turns out I was apparently their very first patient to show up with an appropriate injury since they'd got the stuff. There was almost a parade nearby while the Doc went to work with the little glue thingy -- seems = like every other doctor/nurse/etc who was anywhere around the ER was curious to =   see where/how/if the stuff worked...by the time he was done, I was nearly giggling from the spectacle I was in the center of!! And, to his credit, the stuff worked fabulously. (FWIW, I recommend the treatment to anyone unfortunate enough to need it)   DISCLAIMER: I'm certainly no Doctor, and that surgical glue is probably a =   bit more complicated than SuperGlue Gel from the hardware store...please consult your Health Care Professional before treatment of any injury!   Cheers all --   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: I superglued my hand back together! From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:06:12 -0500   Keith Zimmerman could answer this better than any of us, but the use of Superglue in veterinary practice has been common and now it is frequently used in US hospitals and surgeries in place of staples or stitches.   The veterinary medical grade Superglue is not clear, to make it easier to see. I am not sure if this is true of the medical grade human use version.   Superglue as well as NewSkin are frequently used by cellists for finger repairs, useful for orgnaists as well. NewSkin includes something or other that stings/hurts when applied but then the pain deteriorates, making playing possible once again.   noel jones