PipeChat Digest #5003 - Wednesday, December 15, 2004
 
RE: Blenheim Palace
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis)
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: St. Matthew Lutheran, Hanover, Pennsylvania
  by "Shawn M. Gingrich" <shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org>
RE: Comparing great builders, NOT!
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Comparing great builders, NOT!
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Aggie War Hymn
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Ahrend & Brunzema
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Rule Britannia
  by "wesley" <wcool@bellsouth.net>
Re: Comparing great builders, NOT!
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Cavaille-Coll(tangent from Willis thread)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Edinburgh & Willis organs
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
The Willis family values
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Willis and yet more Willis
  by "alantaylor1" <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk>
RE: Edinburgh & Willis organs
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Comparing great builders, NOT!
  by "alantaylor1" <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk>
RE: Willis and yet more Willis
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:47:36 +1300   that >awful instrument Willis installed at St.Giles' Cathedral, Edinburgh, and which has now been mercifully scrapped save for a few pedal pipes.   Och aye, indeed, thusly.   And would you condemn the Willis at St Mary's Episcopal Cathedral in Palmerston Place, Edinburgh, also? Playing it a few weeks ago, I was as underwhelmed as KI have been by record of it. Even my wife went "Yuk" and she's no organ enthusiast of any kind. She also went "Yuk", I should add, = to the organist playing it when we arrived there, so it wasn't (just?) my playing.   Ross      
(back) Subject: RE: Blenheim Palace (Willis) From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:59:35 +1300     >Ross's posting does come as rather a surprise to me. As I think it would = to at least half of the UK's cathedral organists. As at least half, probably more, of the UK's cathedral organs are Willis.   Usually now substantially rebuilt by other firms and thus there is no guarantee of their sounding much like the original.   >This includes the main section of the St Paul's cathedral, London, organ. These organs are cherished and loved and really do not fit into any of the comments posted = by Ross.   I think St Paul's London is a one-of-a-kind, and has really is now = probably more of a Mander than a Willis. A vast amount of the organ has been added since the 1870s.   >Then, when I think of the beautiful Father Willis organs, which again, couldn't be further from the description given by Ross... Well I wonder if he hasn't become confused with his makers. Especially as I cannot think of any 2 manual Willis organ in a City of London parish church.   I can assure you I'm not confused. My good friend Harry Coles was organist of the little church I'm speaking of - you may have heard of him?   >But, you can judge for yourselves. There are numerous recordings of = Willis organs. Including; Blenheim Palace, St Paul's cathedral, Westminster cathedral, Liverpool cathedral, Hereford cathedral, Farm street Jesuit church. And many, many more.   I have heaps of recordings, too, but as recording engineers can make such = an incredible difference between what the organ really sounds like and what they do with it, I'm yet to be convinced that listenings any kind of recording can be adequate for an appreciation of its qualities.   As an example of what I've just mentioned, recordings of the Sharp at = Sydney Opera House are sometimes stunningly beautiful and as powerful, in every sense, as you'd like, yet in reality the acoustics in that place are miserable: the mikes have to be placed in positions in the building that = no one could ever sit in - yards up in their air, and quite close.   However, I'll certainly admit, as I said earlier, to my one-on-one = knowledge of Willis organs not being extensive. I've read far more about them, and listened to far more recordings of them, than I have actually played. = :-) Nevertheless, I'll stand by what I have written.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: St. Matthew Lutheran, Hanover, Pennsylvania From: "Shawn M. Gingrich" <shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:30:49 -0500   I have played this "beast" on occasion when I lived in Hanover. It is 231 ranks (14,341 pipes). Scott is still at St. Matthew as is Karen Lakey Buckwalter. The general email address for the church is info@stmattlutheran.org   I do recall a cd recording but can't recall the gentleman who did it ca. early 1990s.   -------|\----- Shawn M. Gingrich, Director of Music Ministry -------|/----- First United Methodist Church ------/|------ Hershey, PA 17033 -----|-(-)---- 717-533-9668 ext. 108 ------\|/----- shawn.gingrich@firstumchershey.org o/ http://fumc-hershey.org    
(back) Subject: St. Matthew Lutheran, Hanover, Pennsylvania [x-posted] From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:08:14 -0800   Does anyone know if any recent recordings have been made on=20 the gigantic (about 250 ranks) early-1920s Austin at St.=20 Matthew Lutheran, Hanover, Pennsylvania?   The organist, Scott Fredericks, was a "pen-pal friend" once=20 upon a time back in the 1980s but I haven't had contact with=20 him in quite a long time. You know how it goes sometimes.=20 (Anyone have an email address for him? It would be great to=20 catch up.) -- I assume Scott is still there; haven't heard=20 anything to the contrary.   Back when we were corresponding, the only recording that had=20 been made was a mono LP done by J. Herbert Springer=20 (R.I.P.), former organist at the church and designer of the=20 organ. Scott did send a cassette tape he made for me one=20 afternoon but other than that, I've never heard the instrument.   It's quite a beast -- all sorts of goodies including a=20 floating string organ. It's among the top-ten largest organs=20 and I believe is the largest Austin. It's rather more=20 brilliant than you'd think an organ of that era would be,=20 because it was enlarged and updated over the years that=20 Springer was there. I haven't seen the stop list in a long=20 time but it seems to me there's even a "Baroque" division!   The room's acoustics are a bit of a handicap - rather dry=20 and unsympathetic. But the organ does have a heroic full=20 organ sound, and more slush than you can shake a stick at!   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Cavaille-Coll(tangent from Willis thread) From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:53:55 -0500   Woah! I just got onto http://www.stsulpice.com/Docs/specs.html in my search=20 for C-C organs. It appears that the St Sulpice organ, as far as the=20 pipework is concerned, is mostly _not_ C-C!!! Maybe y'all knew this=20 already... it comes as somewhat of a shock to me. A pleasant shock=20 though... it gives me reassurance that my idea of avoiding "starting over"=20 in most cases can be a good one.   It also tells me that if we want to find out what C-C is all about, we=20 should steer clear of St Sulpice. It would be like going to Methuen to find=20 out what a typical Aeolean Skinner is like.   Thoughts?   Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Cavaille-Coll(tangent from Willis thread) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:23:18 EST   Andy:   Ste. Sulpice was a Cliquot that Cavaille Coll made additions to and=20 re-engineered with a new terraced five manual console in 1878. Give the man credit, he didn't trash the old organ, just made it better. Now, here we go with the crowd who would try to pursue undoing all the CC additions to return it to pristine Cliquot =20 including a replica Cliquot console. WHY, HOW DARE CC make changes to Cliquot perfection? I really slays me every time I read a post about something like that happening. It reminds=20 me of a puddle in the middle of the lawn, and Green Peace driving by in their little Van hanging out a sign designating it a Wet-Land. Habitat of the white footed grasshopper.   In A Humorous giddy mood today, and it's a good thing!   Ron Severin =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Blenheim Palace (Willis) From: "Jerry Richer" <jerry@ChirpingBat.Com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:27:40 -0500   Just last month, November, there was an entire Pipe Dreams episode dedicated to Casavant on occasion of their 125 anniversary. The assistant tonal director discusses Casavant throughout the show. Check it out at http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/play/audio.php?media=3D/2004/11/14_pipe= d reams   Chirp|Chirp|Chirp: It's the Bat, Bat Arhonious Software, www.chirpingbat.com