PipeChat Digest #5014 - Saturday, December 18, 2004
RE: 128' stops - and the Fundaton!
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Stops & Hertz... or Stop, It Hurts
  by "Bill Hauser" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
Re: 64'
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>

(back) Subject: RE: 128' stops - and the Fundaton! From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:17:01 -0000   Jarle is MUCH too young to remember the Fundaton, so here is a repeat of = the whole sorry story!   =20   =20   =20   <<< THE DURCHESTER FUNDATON 256 >>>   =20   =20   Some years ago, in the English northern city of Durchester, a problem   arose in the Cathedral environs. The cathedral building was surrounded   by colleges, residences, and an old castle. The three-hundred years old   sewage system simply was unable to cope.   =20   The cathedral authorities brought in an up-and-coming young sanitary   engineer by the name of James Hooternoyse. (distantly related to the   founders of Hooternoyse and Herdsounds, a local firm of organ builders)   and asked that he look into the problem and report.   A week or two passed by and the report duly arrived : summed-up, it said   what everybody already knew, that there was too much stuff coming   through   pipes that were too small.   =20   Young James proposed that whilst the system was generally under-spec'd,   if the discharge from individual buildings was 'collected' by one very   large pipe running under the cathedral parking lot, he was sure that the   bottleneck effect would be overcome. He quoted a price for the project   which was accepted by the Dean and Chapter. (In English cathedrals,   approval for major expenditure is by an intricate formula, which   (i)squares the number of chapter members surviving the declaration of   the price, (ii)adds in the number of hours since the last morals   scandal, and (iii)divides the total by the number of communicants at   8.00am Communion last Thursday. If (ii) & (iii) are the same number,   then approval is granted).   =20   When the engineer got to his drawing board, he saw that the dimensions   of the new collector pipe would be 8 feet diameter, with a length of   256 feet. As with any pipe organ enthusiast, a number related to the   figure '8', created a warm fuzzy feeling in young James, and then his   mind drifted.......would it be possible to place manholes along the   length of this pipe, so that it became a sort of giant flute with a full   octave of twelve notes from CCCCCCCC.......C(?) ? If this WAS possible,   and if it could be controlled from the organ console, then the organist   would have at his disposal a truly massive pedal keynote to a final   cadence. Nobody would actually hear it of course, but they'd darn well   know it was there.   =20   Hooternoyse returned to the Dean and Chapter with his proposal. As this   was optional expenditure, each chapter member had power of veto. When   the time came to vote, the only voting member still conscious, rose to   deliver his veto. James took him aside and reminded him of the incident   with the organists wife.... and the veto was never uttered. The   'Durchester Fundaton 256' was born.   =20   Some problems had to be overcome in the construction of this   revolutionary new concept in cathedral music.   (i) It had to be an 'open' pipe. The consequences of closing the end and   creating a 612 ft. pitch were too awful to contemplate. This meant that   the contents of the pipe would have to be allowed to leave the open end,   freefall a few feet, and then be re-gathered into another pipe for   onward transmission. Good fortune played its part here, when it was   found that by altering the line of the pipe just a few degrees, the open   end would reach the adjacent carpark of the City Planning offices. This   was felt by everyone to be wholly apposite, merely returning to the   planners a measure of what they had been putting out for years.   =20   (ii) The manhole covers....pitching valves, weighed nearly three hundred   pounds apiece, quite beyond the capabilities of the organ action. The   solution arrived at, was to employ a series of hydraulic rams, powered   by the lift mechanism servo-pump from a redundant Cape Kennedy   'crawler'.   =20   Although this lifted the valves well enough, the time delay was about   120 seconds. Provided that the organist remembered to put down his   pedal keynote some two minutes before needed, all was well... except   that during alpha testing, it was realised that after putting the note   down, the stop had to remain 'drawn' until it sounded. Consequently,   everything played in the pedal lower octave for the for the last two   minutes of a piece, was echoed after the piece ended, at 256 foot pitch,   with surprising results for heavily pregnant women within a twelve mile   radius. The problem was soon solved by the incorporation of an isolater   which allowed only one note per 'draw'.   =20   The last big problem was the de-tuning effect of the um... contents of   the pipe, and at times of heavy useage, a distinct 'sloshing' noise was   faintly apparent. The cure was, in the end, to increase wind pressure to   6000lbs per, and to call in a firm of ship builders to re-voice the   pipe. Co-incidentally, increasing the wind pressure also solved the   problem (as percieved by them alone), of the City Planners' car park. As   the first note was played on the increased wind pressure, the um.....   discharged matter was seen to leave the end of the pipe, clear the   Planning Department roofline by about six feet, and then to head,   straight as a die, for a soft landing on the local cricket pitch.   Results from the previous several seasons ensured that this solution   would offend nobody except the single remaining spectator. Even he   stopped objecting after being given a good deal on a total-immersion   suit.   =20   Three years on and the Fundaton is now an established feature of old   Durchester Cathedral. The teething problems have been largely dealt with   and the cricket club is now top of the league, all visiting teams   refusing to play and thus losing by default.   =20   The medical establishment is still conducting extensive research into   the difficulties that local women are having in getting to full term in   their pregnancies.   =20   The Civil Aviation Authority is urgently examining the baffling loss of   so many airliners as they approach the airspace around Durchester,   particularly at 1130 on Sunday mornings.   =20   All the masonry from the cathedral tower which fell into the Central   Space, has now been cleared, and the builders are looking at a number of   possible solutions to the problem of ultra-low-frequency sound, and its   effect on stone structures.   =20   Some amusement was generated a few months ago, when a young woman   arriving at the cathedral by taxi, stepped out onto the FFFFFFFFFF#   valve. The organist must have been practising, because the taxi driver   reports :- "Well, she was standing there going through her purse for my   fare, when she began to rise up into the air. It was only about ten   inches or so, but then there was this amazing noise sensation coming   from somewhere beneath her skirts. Last I saw of her, she was running   across the green screaming 'IT WASN'T ME!, IT *WASN'T* ME!' "   =20   A sticking valve on EEEEEEEEEEEb continues to puzzle the ship   builders/tuners. They called Hooternoyse in last week to see if he could   fathom it out. They lifted the valve, and he peered in with a torch.   "See anything?", "Nothing", he said, "just a load of crap."   =20   This has been just a short extract from the book of the project, which   itself runs to 1032 pages. If you would like to have your own copy, give   a lot of money to your shrink, and wait til the desire passes.   =20   =20   Announcement.   ^^^^^^^^^^^^   =20   We hear from James Hooternoise that Opus 1 instrument is now   completed. All organchatters are invited to the opening of this first   full-blown offering from young James, and full details are appended   below.   =20   =20   The Parish Church of St Celestian occupies an impossible-to-find   position, in the rarely visited village of Nowhere, approximately half-   way along the picturesque, but remote Wheredale.=20   Wheredale is normally approached (by survivors of the journey) from   Heerdale. However, if during your searches for a signpost in Heerdale,   you choose to ask for directions, do NOT go into the post office. The   postmaster, Mr John Dayle, his wife, Mrs Wendy Dayle, and son Dale, tend   to react quite violently to questions containing the suffix 'dale'.   =20   Saint Celestian you may not know, is the patron saint of all those who   are 'out of tune' with their surroundings.   =20   The churchwardens of St Celestian were persuaded that a new instrument   was required back in 1973. Invitations to tender were sent out to a   shortlist of eight well-known organbuilders, of whom exactly none   managed to find the church, and in the end everyone just forgot about   it.   =20   Serendipity intervened however, and some twenty years later, a sanitary   engineer, and amateur organ builder from Durchester, named James   Hooternoise, happened upon the village quite by accident. You may recall   that this young man had already found fame with his devising of the   Durchester Fundaton 256'.   Curiously, it was on account of this massive pedal register that he came   to be in the area.=20   =20   Durchester was approximately 20 miles to the south, and young James was   investigating reports from local farmers that spontaneous abortion among   sheep, seemed to be in some way associated with (i) a southerly wind,   (ii) an objectionable odour carried on that wind, (iii) a really quite   painful throbbing of the eardrums, and (iv) a too-coincidental   relationship with the end of festival services at Durchester Cathedral.   Young James' investigation into *this* circumstance was only the latest   in a series of similar quests in which he had engaged since installing   the Fundaton.=20   =20   Within a radius of about twenty-five miles around the Cathedral, sales   of laxatives had plummeted, maternity hospitals were utterly failing to   bring any woman to a full term of pregnancy, and no acceptable reason   had yet been given for the numbers of birds which were given to falling   out of the sky, stone dead before hitting the ground.=20   =20   This came to a head one Sunday morning in March, when a skein of about   600 Brent Geese passing over Durchester, on their way to breeding   grounds in Siberia, all suffered a simultaneous cessation of cardiac   function at 11.37am, folded back their wings, extended their necks, and   speared into the ground at about 80 mph, like laser-guided bombs. It was   most unfortunate that they went into the ground at a wild bird   sanctuary. It was doubly unfortunate that a school party of three dozen   seven-year-olds had just arrived - being presented with the vista of six   hundred wild-goose rear-ends protruding from the ground, gave instant,   long term employment to a whole battalion of trauma counsellors. (It was   the reflex jerking of the webbed feet that was the hardest to deal   with).   =20   For lack of space, we have to skip over the reports of falling   buildings, collapsing bridges, unexplained launchings of defence   weapons, and a curious reluctance of nearly two million people to be   more than 25 yds from a toilet on Sunday mornings.   =20   Anyway, back to St Celestian's.=20   Young James arrived in the village and was about to enquire as to where   he might meet local farmers, to discuss their ovine problems. Glancing   at his watch, he noticed with alarm that it was 11.28 am, that this was   a festival Sunday, and that he was within effects-range of Durchester,   and, that the wind was in the south.=20   Clasping both hands firmly to his ears, he ran for the nearest   substantial shelter, which happened to be the porch of the village   church. Driving his head firmly into the floor/wall corner, in the now   popularly adopted manner, he rode out the acoustic assault, brushed the   disturbed mortar fragments from his clothes and stood up.=20   =20   The door to the church opened, and to James' surprise, out filed a   congregation of over thirty people. Having heard nothing from the   building, he had assumed that the service had finished earlier. A few   moments later, there was just the vicar and churchwarden left. James   expressed his surprise that there had been no music. It was explained to   him that the church had no organ, and that over the years they had   become used to having no music. They also described the attempt they had   made to secure an organ builder to supply one. James looked into the   church, saw a rather attractive building - through the forest of   scaffolding poles which were holding up the roof, quite the norm in this   part of Durchestershire.   =20   James then explained that he was connected to the family firm of organ   builders - Hooternoise and Herdsounds . He would be delighted to arrange   a quote for a suitable instrument, and began making notes immediately.   They decided that a solidly traditional English instrument would be to   their liking and a specification began to emerge. It would of course be   founded on a Diapason chorus including twelfth and mixture. A secondary   chorus of Hohlflote 8 and harmonic flute 4, plus dulciana, and a   trumpet, made up the Great.   On the swell, no surprises, open wood diapason, metal principal,   piccolo, solo flute, couple of strings, an oboe and a clarion.   For the pedal, an open and closed wood over five stops, completed the   scheme.   =20   Young Hooternoise went away, pleased to be taking good news to the   family firm.=20   =20   Five weeks later, he was back at St Celestians. Having explained that   repeated attempts to mail a quote to them had been returned by the Post   Office marked "Not found" or "No place of this name exists". He handed   over the document, fairly certain that the 'desperation' price of 28,000   pounds would be snapped up immediately.   =20   He was therefore surprised to see the warden and vicar looking a bit   downcast. Upon enquiry, he was told that although the church had raised   over thirty thousand pounds for the organ twenty years earlier, the   structural problems they had had since the Fundaton came into being, had   reduced this fund to sixteen pounds and change.   =20   Feeling somewhat responsible for events, James said that he would go   away again and see what could be done, though they were not to expect   much.   Discussions between James and the more senior members of the family firm   became very heated, he persisted resolutely, but in the end, had to give   up. The family were simply not prepared to build an organ for sixteen   pounds.   =20   James, still feeling slightly responsibility for St Celestian's problem,   determined that one way or another, they *would* have an organ, and that   if necessary, he would build it himself. For months he designed,   calculated, cogitated, considered, sweated and struggled. FINALLY! he   had it - the plan for an organ costing sixteen pounds and 99 pence.   =20   And thus was born the world's first one-manual, one key, one stop,   single-note organ -The Hooternoise, Unitonic, Caseless, 'Organette'.   =20   In the end it took James a mere half an hour to construct his Minimus   Opus. A quick hunt round his garden shed produced more than enough   material, with a piece of plastic water pipe, an old hinge, several   seedboxes and a watering can making up the console, action and pipework.   Wind supply was a brief problem, soon solved with a battery -operated   tyre inflator.   =20   As stated at the beginning, you are all invited to the opening recital   on this evolutionary instrument, (which is destined to become the   definitive accompaniment form, as church music continues to develop=20   its CCM path.   =20   The soloist at the recital will be James Hooternoise himself, having   discovered that he had quite inexplicably arranged the opening on a day, =     when every organist in the Western world was going to a grandmother's   funeral. It did strike James as mildly puzzling that so many very   elderly organists not only had a living grandparent, but also knew to   the day, when that old relative was going to die.   =20   The program will contain several old Viennese waltzes and a most unusual   version of 'Bolero'- it having been established that these pieces are   the best suited to overcoming with a strong rhythm, the smaller than   usually-found compass, and the slightly limited registrational   possibilities within the instrument.   Several Betty Pulkingham songs will be played, almost exactly in the way   the composer intended.   =20   St. Celestian's   =20   St Celestian you will recall, is the patron saint of all those who are   not quite 'tuned in'. And at the parish church of this name in   Wheredale, James Hooternoise, organ builder, had built his Opus 1   instrument. The organ is famously unique, in having just one manual, of   one-note compass, operating one pipe at a single pitch.   =20   Six months following the installation, the secretary of the Parish   Church Council writes to James, to let him know how they are getting on   with the instrument.   =20   "Dear Mr Hooternoise,   We were delighted to read in the local paper of your decision to give up   sanitary engineering, and that you are to become a full-time organ   builder. Basing your decision to follow this course, on the success of   your first installation of a complete organ, here at St Celestian, is a   statement of faith unmatched in the history of human endeavour.=20   =20   We announced your brave decision in church last week, and no   sooner had the announcement concluded, than the whole congregation was   smitten with a rather nasty virus. Almost as one, they toppled off their   pews, and were found to be jammed into the footwells, with handkerchiefs   pressed into their mouths, tears streaming down their faces, and making   the most distressing noises. I remember thinking at the time, that it   sounded curiously like strangled laughter, but obviously as they began   to deteriorate, with the older ones starting involuntarily to wet   themselves, it was clear that this was a long way removed from simple   amusement.=20   =20   Sad to relate, old Mr Moss was taken particularly badly, and has   developed a form of total dementia - characterised in the main by an   irresistibly infectious chuckle; while from time to time, he bursts into   uncontrolled, hysterical laughter and has to be sedated.   The rest of the congregation however seems recovered.   =20   Anyway, enough of our little problems. The organ continues to   perform well, and we congratulate you on providing an instrument that is   so easy to play. Although having said that, when we came to advertising   for an organist, we had not foreseen that church musicians were so   modest, or so exquisitely well-mannered, as to insist that their fellow   applicants were to take precedence in securing the post.=20   =20   There were seven applicants in all, and we took them together to   see the organ. I was just explaining to them how to clip the wires of   the wind-supply tyre-inflator to the battery, and when I turned round,   they'd all gone! Fearing that there had been another attack of 'the   virus' I quickly checked all the tight spaces in the church, and   listened for the characteristic 'strangled laugh' symptom, but to no   avail. Eventually I went round to Church Farm and told Mr Mastodon the   problem. He said he would bring his dogs and start a search, as soon as   he had finished biting the horns off the new bull he'd just bought.   =20   Sure enough, all the years that Mr.M had spent developing the   skills of his dogs paid off. They are trained 'to a tach' and to 'remove   the pry vatts' apparently, though I have no idea what that means.   Anyhow, they wasted no time in locating the applicants who had struck   off across the hills, having gone out of the church to answer calls of   nature, and then inadvertently taken a wrong path in their attempt to   return. Silly fellows! Still, it didn't take long for Vader and Sabre to   round them up and they were soon 'penned' in the church porch.   =20   I explained to the applicants that I understood their well-   mannered reluctance to secure the organist's job, to the disappointment   of their colleagues, and perhaps they would like to vote on it among   themselves. This worked extremely well. While Vader and Sabre kept a   friendly watch over them in case they wandered off again, I went back   into the church to await the result. Wouldn't you know it! Kindness and   deference to the end. Six of them all decided that they would stand down   in favour of the very small chap, with the thick glasses and the awful   stutter. Even with this endorsement from all his colleagues, he was   reluctant to take advantage of his good fortune, and had to be virtually   forced to take the post, with the other applicants actually carrying him   into the church.=20   =20   For one terrible moment I feared that the virus had returned,   because he was making that 'strangled' sound. But it was just that one   of his friends was hugging him so warmly by the throat, that his air   supply was almost completely cut off. Poor Mr Whimpisch! But still, he   is now fully recovered, and serves loyally as our organist. He has   formed a strange attachment to Vader and Sabre, and point blank refuses   to play unless they go to his lodgings, walk to church with him and sit   by him during the service.=20   =20   He is also somewhat given to sleep-walking, and Sabre often   fetches him back from miles away down the Durchester road in the early   hours of the morning. I don't know what we would do without those dogs.   Mr Mastodon says we can keep using them for as long as we let him train   them in 'cutting-out' the herd weaklings on the primary school playing   field.   =20   So Mr Hooternoise, how are you keeping? We had good reports of your   opening recital here. It was such a shame that you gave it on the day of   the parish outing to Durchester Cricket ground, or we would all   certainly have been there to hear you. How the fates do conspire   sometimes. The outing was originally organised for the week AFTER your   recital, but our churchwarden, who was to drive the bus, insisted that   we had to either re-schedule our trip, or not go at all. =20   =20   Oh, and our dear Mr Whimpisch wants to be remembered to you, and   asks you to look out for the parcel he has sent to you. He says that   when it arrives, you are to open it in private, as it is a special   surprise, just for you. Isn't he just the nicest man!=20   =20   Mr Mastodon also asks to be remembered, and says that Vader and Sabre   missed you terribly as you were leaving, but have now improved their   skills considerably and will not miss you again, especially if you could   send over a piece of personal clothing for them to play with. Mr M. puts   things in a strange way doesn't he, but I expect you know what he means.   We recall how very fond you were of the dogs, always letting them chase   you round the village the way you did. Your standing leap onto the roof   of the public toilets is still the talk of the village, and who would   ever have thought that Vader could do it as well? What fun!   =20   With very best wishes for your success in the future,   =20   Kindest regards,   =20   Irma S. Deffsaposte,=20   PCC secretary, St Celestian Parish Church. "   =20   =20   =20   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Alan Freed Sent: 18 December 2004 09:37 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: 128' stops   =20   On 12/18/04 7:26 AM, "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> = wrote:   > Could it be usable as a weapon, wiping out underground bunkers? Or = could it=20 > have a practical and more peaceful appliance?   I don't have it any more; it went out with a hard disk several years = ago.   But surely SOMEbody can send Jarle the (in)famous Fundaton writeup.   Alan=20    
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:17:34 -0500   More a question for physicists. I do know that big diesel marine engines can shake things up pretty good. I'm talking about the kind where you can =   park a car inside the combustion chamber. I've read that there can be certain engine speeds where you're at a resonant frequency and its very important that the engine be run either above or below that speed. I'm = not completely sure what would happen if you ran at the resonant frequency... = if it would just wreck the engine, or if the whole ship would come apart. Of =   course, throwing a rod on that engine very likely would sink the ship.   Could you demolish a building with a big flute? Maybe, you'd have to hit = a resonant frequency and have a big enough amplitude. I suspect dynamite might be more reliable.   Why, are you dissatified with your present building/organ combination? ;)   Andy   On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:47:20 +0100, Jarle Fagerheim wrote > I'm still wondering about the effects of producing a loud (though > non-audible to humans) sound in a gigantic (128'++) organ pipe. If > really generously scaled, and on LOTS of wind, what would it be able > do to? Could it be used as a weapon? Or for demolishing buildings? > > Jarle > http://jarle.moo.no > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:37:23 +0100   > Why, are you dissatified with your present building/organ combination? = ;) If it's possible to hit "the right frequency" and ruin a building with a 128', and my organ had a Great Grand Bourdon 64 (to be realistic), I could get everything as I'd like -- if somebody dared to disagree with me, I'd just wire a resultant!   Jarle  
(back) Subject: Stops & Hertz... or Stop, It Hurts From: "Bill Hauser" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:10:21 -0600   Just for clarification:   16' =3D 32Hz 32' =3D 16Hz 64' =3D 8Hz 128' =3D 4Hz (not 2)   These are approximations, as in: if A=3D440, then 16'=3D32.703 Hz, etc.   Infrasonics HAVE been studied for warfare, causing nausea, increased heart =   rate, blood pressure, adrenaline, etc. - and at some amplitude and frequency, death.   That's extreme, but the effects easily begin in the 16-32Hz octave, and is =   probably why over-use of the 32's leads to listener fatigue and an overall =   unpleasant experience for both concert-goers and worshipers.   Waiting for the California legislature to require warning signs at the = door of every church housing anything longer than a 16' pipe. WARNING: Entering may cause nausea and trigger 'fight or flight' reactions = - and the organ may pose health risks as well.    
(back) Subject: Re: 64' From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:58:16 +0200   John Speller wrote : (Sorry, Sydney Town Hall!) re 64'   John - this particular stop is designed to blend with what goes above it. = It can be heard, and certainly felt - though whether I could define the note = at that pitch would certainly be another matter! But it cuts through full organ. I have a recording of the Franck Choral in A minor I made there - it's in bits which I have yet to put together : there was a technician working on the lighting gantry providing percussion, I didn't have a page turner, and the pistons, though well endowed for 1896, are not adjustable = - those are my excuses, anyway! Watch this space!   John Foss      
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:07:45 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I've been trying to find reference to it, but I recall that low frequency sound was investigated as a weapon. Apparently, low frequency sound makes human beings become disorientated and neauseus.   Working on it Jarle.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Jarle Fagerheim <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > I'm still wondering about the effects of producing a > loud (though > non-audible to humans) sound in a gigantic (128'++) > organ pipe.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com