PipeChat Digest #5021 - Tuesday, December 21, 2004
 
Re: Christmas Day Organ Recital in Allentown
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Catholic Grosser Gott
  by "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Re PipeChat Digest #50173456987235674234958762345
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
RE: The old organ of Stavanger Cathedral (x-post)
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Fugue on a familiar theme
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: Fugue on a familiar theme
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
PLEASE READ! Re: Re PipeChat Digest #50173456987235674234958762345
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott"
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
New Ron Rhode CD, Orpheum Theatre, Phoenix
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Humble request
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Humble request
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
EDITING TEXT (was: Humble request)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
32' sound in speakers
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Computer geeks discover the Disney organ
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: The old organ of Stavanger Cathedral (x-post)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
This week's MP3 - Epure
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: 128' stops
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: EDITING TEXT (was: Humble request)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott"
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Make 'em sing! (was: Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott")
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
RE: 32' sound in speakers
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Christmas Day Organ Recital in Allentown From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:49:35 -0500   What a wonderful mix of things to hear!! It's worth a full nave!   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA   On 12/20/04 12:46 PM, "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net> wrote:   > Thought you might like to know . . . I will offer my 20th annual = Christmas > Day organ recital on Saturday at 3:00 p.m. at St. John's Evangelical > Lutheran Church in downtown Allentown, Pennsylvania. > > These recitals began while I was a student at Westminster Choir College = and > organist/director of music at First Presbyterian Church in Washington, = NJ, > where, incidentally a beautiful II/26 Schantz was installed during my > tenure. With a Christmas Day service to play, and family located miles = away > in the south, I always found myself, well, stuck at my church on = Christmas, > not necessarily alone, but without family. So, thinking that there might = be > others who for whatever reason might find themselves without family or > friends on Christmas, I decided to provide an opportunity for a bit of > Christmas cheer via this wonderful music that so often goes unheard = because > of the relatively short season. As it turns out, there have been some = pretty > amazing audiences in both size and spirit over the years. Of course, = maybe > they're just coming to either get away from football, or enjoy the = cider, > nog, and cookies afterward! > > So, here we are 20 years later, and I've decided to play music that in = the > past has somehow spoken to folks in one way or another, or so they've = said. > Here goes: > > Vom Himmel hoch / Bach (from Christmas Oratorio) > Grand Jeu et Duo (Echo Noel) / Daquin > Noel Suisse / Daquin > Les Bergers from La Nativite / Messiaen > Adeste fideles / Karg-Elert > O laufet, ihr Hirten / Drischner > Noel Polonaise / Guilmant > La Nativite / Langlais > Christmas / Dethier > Grand Fantasia on Joy to the World / Cheban > > I KNOW you're all hard at work practicing your fingers to the bone, but = I do > want to wish you a wonderful Christmas and blessed New Year! > > Stephen Williams > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Catholic Grosser Gott From: "Liquescent" <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:31:30 -0800   The imprimatur in my St. Basil Hymnal is 1925; the date of the ??? reprinting is 1933 ... I am sure I have seen older editions, though.   Cheers   Bud   Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   > What year is your hymnal? > Just curious. > Alicia Zeilenga > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:24:25 -0500 > Subject: Catholic Grosser Gott > > >>Most of us long time Catholic organists were raised with the St Basil >>Hymnal- The repeats and ornaments are in the music as written- I just >>looked at my ancient hymnal and #3- Holy God We Praise Thy Name lists >>Rev. C. Walworth for lyrics and P. Ritter for music- That's the one I >>was raised with and I still play it that way > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:35:49 -0500   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:56:51 +0100, Jarle Fagerheim wrote > Well, I just thought wars would be a lot more humane if fought with > organs instead of guns. This is also a question of preventing > unemployment -- if pipe organ builders lose the church organ market > to digital imitations, they'd need a new place to sell their goods, > and with skyrocketing military budgets all over... Maybe that's why they invented the bagpipes. The problem with the organ, especially ones' with 128' ranks, is they're so gol-dang heavy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:38:50 -0500   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:56:51 +0100, Jarle Fagerheim wrote > Well, I just thought wars would be a lot more humane if fought with > organs instead of guns. This is also a question of preventing > unemployment -- if pipe organ builders lose the church organ market > to digital imitations, they'd need a new place to sell their goods, > and with skyrocketing military budgets all over...   I've always thought the bagpipes were a variation on "skunk" strategy. Skunks defend themselves with a gawdawful stink, and kilted warriors = defend themselves by making a gawdawful din.   Just kidding, sort of. :) Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Re PipeChat Digest #50173456987235674234958762345 From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:28:27 +0200   Don't get so ratty, Gluck!   Just occasionally I know I hit the send button by mistake without noticing =   that I haven't changed the title line - if you get digests this automatically apears as the subject line. My eyesight isn't so good these days. John Foss http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/   In an unsigned post TubaMagna@aol.com wrote   How difficult can it be to put a subject heading on posted messages? How many times do list members have to ask people to engage in this common courtesy? Does anybody REALLY think that we know what these numbers mean? Does anybody believe that people enjoy having their time wasted, with the repeated aggravation of this practice, no matter HOW many times it has = been blasted?      
(back) Subject: RE: The old organ of Stavanger Cathedral (x-post) From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:07:40 +1300   >Arie Vandenberg wrote: >> What do you find wrong with the Reil Organ? There is one here in >> Ontario, Canada, that was put in about 1988, and although it does not >> sound bad, is not very exciting to listen to. Sort of Dutch baroque. >> It has the added disadvantage of being located in an unfortunate acoustic.   We have at Victoria University here in Wellington, New Zealand, a 2m = tracker of about 14 stops by Reil Bros., perhaps 10 years or so old. I'm not imrpessed, though most people are. It seems to me to be lack character and individuality - it's just a collection of nicely-voiced, nicely-regulated stops: too nice. No panache, no wow factor.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Fugue on a familiar theme From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:12:12 +0200   Gentle list members,   If you are looking for an entertaining voluntary for Christmas Day may I recommend "Yuletide Fugue" by Timothy Grenz on a well known theme - short, =   musical and amusing! You will need a proficient pedal technique to have it =   ready by Saturday! To be found in the SCORES section of organs and Organists Online. http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/   John Foss      
(back) Subject: Re: Fugue on a familiar theme From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:04:39 EST   In a message dated 12/20/2004 4:12:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, harkat@kat.forthnet.gr writes:   "Yuletide Fugue" by Timothy Grenz     O, What Fun!!!  
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ! Re: Re PipeChat Digest #50173456987235674234958762345 From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:31:07 -0600   Sebastian has a good point about this - if you are responding to a post in the Digest version of the list PLEASE change the Subject line to reflect the posting/thread you are responding to. It is only courteous to your fellow list members. Some people DO WANT to be able to see what the posting is regarding and some of us also have our email clients set to sort mail from the list by Subject matter.   I have also been working on some means of updating the Archives and have been looking at ways of using the individual posts for the archives rather than using the Digests. If you don't change the subject line from the Digest number it will mess up those archives. And it is rather easy to highlight and change the Subject line in most email programs.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott" From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:45:24 EST   In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:33:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, azeilenga@theatreorgans.com writes:   That's similar to what the DoM where I grew up told me. I think she told me more, but I don't remember very much. I'm trying to think of the "ornaments" in "Mother Dear". Did the unornamented one catch on? Alicia Zeilenga     Not that I could attest to; congregation sang the old ornamented version despite playing the sanitized version. They liked it that way, not so = blah. When I tried it, I got blasted for "changing that beautiful hymn". = Similar thing with the Stabat Mater for the Stations of the Cross devotions. People = sang it ornamented:(5th measure ....la cri mo - o - sa.) Started before my = time and I wasn't about to fight over it They were singing the hymns like = their Irish and Italian ballads. There was nothing sacrilegious intended. I = played at a Shrine Church of the Miraculous Medal and we had a packed house afternoon and evening for the Monday Novena devotions and they loved those = Marian and Benediciton hymns, and then Holy God. That wasn't the end, tho. Closing = was a tear jerking rendition of "Good Night, Sweet Jesus. (Bud, remember = that one?) Same program every week and they never tired of it. Darn, we have enough trouble getting them to sing. When you consider = the Happy-Crappy gee-tar stuff of the last 20 years, a couple of little = ornaments here are something to worry about??  
(back) Subject: New Ron Rhode CD, Orpheum Theatre, Phoenix From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:50:54 -0500   Ron Rhode's brand new CD on the 3-30 Wurlitzer at the Orpheum Theatre in Phoenix, Arizona, is now available from the OHS Catalog at http://www.ohscatalog.org/theatorrec.html There is also another new CD = from Ron, a previously unreleased recording by George Wright, and others, too.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Humble request From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:37:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Dear List,=0D =0D The teensy request that is to follow is not born out of any anger or resentment...=0D =0D Could I ask a small favor? I receive PipeChat in digest form (I shoul= d probably just switch it to the regular method, but I kind of like the digests), and sometimes a reply will be posted that quotes the entire dig= est which is quite long. Actually, some of the quoted E-mails are quite lon= g as well, and well, it takes quite a bit of scrolling to find the current posts in between the E-mails that have been re-sent twelve times through = the quoting of entire message bodies. I know that I am essentially asking yo= u to enable my laziness, but is there anyway we might quote sparingly in th= e future to prevent such clutter?=0D =0D <running for cover>=0D =0D (C:=0D =0D - Nathan
(back) Subject: Re: Humble request From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:45:30 EST   In a message dated 12/20/2004 7:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, erzahler@sbcglobal.net writes:   > essentially asking you to enable my laziness   then why should we help? lol   dale in florida who appreciates having every bit and piece of conversation....  
(back) Subject: EDITING TEXT (was: Humble request) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:21:58 -0600   /rant mode on   How about this...?   Because to do so is the OFFICIAL POLICY for the Pipechat List. Go read = the guidelines on the homepage for a reminder. Editing one's postings is the ONLY polite thing to do here.   Same thing goes for sending postings in anything but PLAIN TEXT. (even if you're on AOHell -- that's not OUR fault!!)   And for making sure subject lines have at least some remote connection to the text of your message -- even if you have to <horrors!> CHANGE IT from =   whatever it was when someone else posted it.   It's a simple matter of any particular post-er exhibiting the most basic COMMON COURTESY to each of the other six hundred or so PC subscribers.   All of these policies are in place to benefit EACH AND EVERY Pipechat subscriber. Folks, we simply don't know any other way to maximize access to the List to EVERYONE. (regardless of their location, computer hardware, =   internet access/speed, or whatever!)   Thank you all, for your consideration of your fellow Listmembers (and your =   Administrators) in the future.   /rant mode off   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator     At 07:45 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/20/2004 7:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, >erzahler@sbcglobal.net writes: > >>essentially asking you to enable my laziness > > >then why should we help? lol    
(back) Subject: 32' sound in speakers From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:37:04 -0800 (PST)   In a message dated 12/18/2004 11:43:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Garrison Johnson writes:   Let's take another look: middle C (2')=3D256 Hz two octaves down, 8' C then =3D 64 Hz 16' C =3D 32 Hz 32" C =3D 16 Hz 64' C =3D 8 Hz, still (barely) audible As far as producing these low notes electronically, no problem with generating them (oscillators), but try to find a speaker which will reproduce them. A 32' stop requires a big box and a couple of at least 18" speakers!   Hey guys,   I have a couple of Paradigm speakers with no more than 8" speakers for the bass. How come I get nice purring 32' sound on a regular basis from my organ recordings? The contrareeds ain't bad either. wonderful sound, little speakers. I can't imagine those big boxes people had in the sixties for organ recordings did much better. What say ye?   Ken    
(back) Subject: Re: Computer geeks discover the Disney organ From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:23:59 -0500   > > What makes you think organist aren't geeks? <EG>   Chuckle! I don't think I can argue that! But I _did_ specify computer/ internet geeks. ;-)   Apparently the organ features pretty strongly and favorably in a book by = Neal Stephenson, who is known for several works of "cyberfiction", and this is sparking interest in the organ with the computer/internet community that = reads his books. Not a bad thing at all!   Cheers, TommyLee An Internet geek for over 10 years   PS, I think I like Wicktoria :) It's distinctive.    
(back) Subject: Re: The old organ of Stavanger Cathedral (x-post) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:21:32 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I've heard two great lines of comedy this week.   The first was a description of a man with a squint.   "There he was, one eye looking at you, and the other one looking for you."     The second has to be Jarle's description of a noisy action, where "playing a Trio Sonata sounds like Riverdance."   Excellent!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Jarle Fagerheim <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Except for the acoustics, which are excellent in > Stavanger, your > description fits the organ very well. I may also add > that the action is > extremely loud, and the pedal keys don't have > dampers of any kind, so > playing a Bach trio sonata sounds more like > Riverdance.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: This week's MP3 - Epure From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:21:40 -0800   I continue my survey of music off the beaten path -   "Epure" by Rolande Falcinelli   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/FalcinelliEpure.mp3   Enjoy,   Jonathan  
(back) Subject: Re: 128' stops From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:25:01 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   It's been done Jarle!   Have you not seen Disney's "Silly Symphony" where the organ fires things at a rival island?   Also, Carlo Curley has a neat line in "the Battle of the organs".   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Jarle Fagerheim <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Well, I just thought wars would be a lot more humane > if fought with > organs instead of guns.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: EDITING TEXT (was: Humble request) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:05:57 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: EDITING TEXT (was: Humble request)     > /rant mode on > > How about this...? > > Because to do so is the OFFICIAL POLICY for the Pipechat List. Go read the > guidelines on the homepage for a reminder. Editing one's postings is = the > ONLY polite thing to do here.   Amen to that. HOWEVER, the truth of the matter is that most of us (including me) are at most times Brain Dead, and we occasionally make mistakes. In this instance the perpetrator was extremely apologetic for = his mistake. It seems to me that we (including the list owner) should be toleratant, and that on occasions our self righteousness at other's = mistakes should not cause us (including the list owner) to become self righteous, = and to run the risk of becoming a Flaming List.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott" From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:29:39 -0600   So how did the ornamented version of the Stabat Mater go? It seems like I've heard it and that measure goes re mi remi do instead of just re mi re do. I don't know where I would have heard that sung, though. We've always sung the "correct" version wherever I've gone to Stations.   Was "Good Night Sweet Jesus" in any hymnal? I haven't seen it in any of the old ones I have. The only reason I know it is that it was on a cassette my family listened to when I was in elementary school.   Catholics seem to do well on hymns they know. Although, they can always decide to sing something they DON'T know and refuse to sing something they DO. I haven't figured my congregation out yet. ;-)   Alicia   -----Original Message----- From: RVScara@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:45:24 EST Subject: Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott"   > > Not that I could attest to; congregation sang the old ornamented > version > despite playing the sanitized version. They liked it that way, not so > blah. > When I tried it, I got blasted for "changing that beautiful hymn". > Similar thing > with the Stabat Mater for the Stations of the Cross devotions. People > sang > it ornamented:(5th measure ....la cri mo - o - sa.) Started before my > time > and I wasn't about to fight over it They were singing the hymns like > their > Irish and Italian ballads. There was nothing sacrilegious intended. I > played > at a Shrine Church of the Miraculous Medal and we had a packed house > afternoon and evening for the Monday Novena devotions and they loved > those Marian and > Benediciton hymns, and then Holy God. That wasn't the end, tho. > Closing was > a tear jerking rendition of "Good Night, Sweet Jesus. (Bud, remember > that > one?) Same program every week and they never tired of it. > > Darn, we have enough trouble getting them to sing. When you consider > the > Happy-Crappy gee-tar stuff of the last 20 years, a couple of little > ornaments > here are something to worry about?? > >      
(back) Subject: Make 'em sing! (was: Re: The Catholic "Grosser Gott") From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:49:13 +0800   Alicia,   I think this might be a 'small-c catholic' (universal) thing.=20   "Angels from the Realms of Glory" was _not_ sung with gusto last Sunday. Ma= ybe by the third stanza people started looking a little more alive. We try = to go big on the opening hymn, but I think my (immitation handbell) prelude= of "What Child is This" had the upper hand this time.   When you figure out your congregation, would you care to pass helpful point= ers along to us Protestant musicians too? :-)     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>   > Catholics seem to do well on hymns they know. Although, they can always > decide to sing something they DON'T know and refuse to sing something > they DO. I haven't figured my congregation out yet. ;-) >=20 > Alicia   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: RE: 32' sound in speakers From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:52:12 -0000   What say I is, (How's that for grammar?) "Your little 8" speakers are probably just reproducing the upper harmonics of the recorded 32' stop, = and your ears are filling in the fundamental. This is the same effect as = when you put a quint against the fundamental to create the illusion of a 32' = pipe when using a Resultant Bass 32'. If you look at the technical = specifications of any microphone, no matter how good, the response drops off to = practically zero long before you get down to 8 Hz. Although they are quite capable = of recording the first harmonic, i.e. 16Hz, the second harmonic at 24Hz = etc..." That's what I say!   Will Light Coventry UK   SNIP! Hey guys,=20   I have a couple of Paradigm speakers with no more than 8" speakers for the bass. How come I get nice purring 32' sound on a regular basis from my organ recordings? The contrareeds ain't bad either.=20 wonderful sound, little speakers. I can't imagine those big boxes people had in the sixties for organ recordings did much better. What say ye?   Ken