PipeChat Digest #5024 - Wednesday, December 22, 2004
 
Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by <Joshwwhite@aol.com>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
RE: 32" sound in speakers
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Celestes and how they work (Was 32" sound in speakers)
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Looking for recordings
  by "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de>
 

(back) Subject: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:44:24 -0800 (PST)   Hey guys and gals,   Here's an inspiring recording of the finale of the Hallelujah Chorus to brighten your holiday season. Just remember, I'm the guy who once in a performance in Scarsdale, NY where I was the tenor soloist, put in one little extra Hallelujah on that string of them just before the end. Thus, I can sympathise with this guy. Does anyone know who he is????   http://www.americanbach.org/downloads/Messiahorganistoncrack.mp3   Just my little Christmas card to all of you.   Ken   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to = revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation, It will = preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been = built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national = morality, and the family as the basis of national life." --Adolph Hitler, February 1, 1933 (what goes around comes around)  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:59:38 EST   OMG -- that leaves me speechless!!!   i was really getting tired of the christmas season today and just ready = for the whole thing to be over with. and then i played that clip. that'll = easily carry me into january now, maybe february!   thanks a million. i've got tons of friends who need to hear this one...   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:27:39 EST   Sounds like the organist may have hit a transposer button instead of a = piston!   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: <Joshwwhite@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:38:06 EST   In a message dated 12/21/2004 8:00:07 PM Central Standard Time, BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes:   OMG -- that leaves me speechless!!!       Scott, it sounds as if you weren't the only one who was left speechless! =   The audience obviously had to take time to think about it before they = went on to applaud.... Oh well, I played in a concert at my church this past Sunday and I was feeling bad about a simple little mistake I made in one of my solos. For = some reason after I started playing I panicked because it SOUNDED like I had = the wrong combination. So I look over and start reading the names of the = stops that were on-only to realize that in the process my left hand had started a different measure than my right hand and pedal. It took two measures to = get back in sync, but I finally relaxed when I realized I had hit the right piston = and the rest of the piece went well. But I still felt bad about it-until = now! Josh White  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:12:22 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   This reminds me of the time when I was playing Reger, I think it was the Introduction & Passcaglia in D minor.   It ended on a dominant 7th, because the chorister who turned the pages decided he should sit on the organ bench, and his knee pushed the General Cancel!   Of course, being that it was Reger, a dominant 7th wasn't really quite so bad!!!!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 0:12:29 -0500   Hi Will and All, With all due respect, Will, I think your explanation of what's = happening when an 8 inch speaker "seems" to reproduce 32 foot tone is not = quite right. When a resultant is produced by a 16 foot pipe and a quint = at 10 2/3, a real difference tone is produced. If the 16 foot C is about = 60 Hz and the quint is 90 Hz, the difference tone produced is 90 minus 60, = or 30 Hz, which is the 32 foot C frequency. It's really produced. When = the small speaker produces harmonics but not the fundamental, the ear, via = auditory perception, "thinks" it hears the fundamental that isn't really = there. I think the two phenomena are different. Best Regards, Roy Kersey Organ Enthusiast and Amateur Trumpeter    
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 00:37:05 EST   Roy and all ........... 32' C is 16hz, not 30hz as stated in your resultant discussion. Bill  
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:11:15 -0800   Its the same thing that happens to genetate a celeste. What is really = produced is the sum frequency, a difference frequency, and of course the = two originals. The mixing device is the non-linear response of the ear. = The same thing happens in your FM radio...   Vern ----- Original Message -----=20 From: OrganMD@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers     Roy and all ...........   32' C is 16hz, not 30hz as stated in your resultant discussion.   Bill  
(back) Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:33:44 -0000   I agree Roy, I was speaking a bit loosely there. What I meant was that = it was the psychological factor of the brain hearing a pattern of upper harmonics and "inferring" the fundamental which was responsible. I only = used the Resultant Bass example as another instance of the ear being fooled = by hearing something which isn't really there... That's not right because = the difference tone is really there, even if the 32' pipe isn't, but I think = you know what I mean... or maybe not....   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Roy Kersey Sent: 22 December 2004 05:12 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers   Hi Will and All, With all due respect, Will, I think your explanation of what's happening when an 8 inch speaker "seems" to reproduce 32 foot tone is = not quite right. When a resultant is produced by a 16 foot pipe and a quint = at 10 2/3, a real difference tone is produced. If the 16 foot C is about = 60 Hz and the quint is 90 Hz, the difference tone produced is 90 minus 60, or = 30 Hz, which is the 32 foot C frequency. It's really produced. When the = small speaker produces harmonics but not the fundamental, the ear, via = auditory perception, "thinks" it hears the fundamental that isn't really there. = I think the two phenomena are different. Best Regards, Roy Kersey Organ Enthusiast and Amateur Trumpeter =20     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Celestes and how they work (Was 32" sound in speakers) From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:43:31 -0000   Talking of Celestes - what is the accepted method of tuning celestes. My tuner just seems to adjust them "so that they sound nice" - but what is = the beat frequency that "sounds nice"? Is it around 2 or 3 beats per second = or what? I suppose it depends on personal taste, and we all know whether = they are right or not, but has anyone done any technical research on this? = And what about the SUM frequency? Is the (approximately) octave higher tone noticeable when using a Celeste on a string rank which already has a = pretty strong first harmonic in the string tone anyway? We don't use flute = celestes much here in the UK so I can't compare the two.   =20   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Vern Jones Sent: 22 December 2004 05:11 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers   =20   Its the same thing that happens to genetate a celeste. What is really produced is the sum frequency, a difference frequency, and of course the = two originals. The mixing device is the non-linear response of the ear. The = same thing happens in your FM radio...   =20   Vern   ----- Original Message -----=20   From: OrganMD@aol.com=20   To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20   Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:37 PM   Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers   =20   Roy and all ...........   =20   32' C is 16hz, not 30hz as stated in your resultant discussion.   =20   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for recordings From: "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:01:20 +0100   Hi, have a look at http://store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/festivewedding.html   Greetings   Arno ---- From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:21 AM     > Anyone know of any commercially available CD's that include David N. > Johnson's "Trumpet Tune in D Major" and his "Processional in E Flat > Major?"