PipeChat Digest #5030 - Saturday, December 25, 2004
 
RE: 32" sound in speakers
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: bass in a piano
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
The Christmas Recital from Organs and Organists Online
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: 32' C frequency
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Valerie Lefever - Grace Lutheran, Lancaster PA 2 Jan
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Last Verses for Organ
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Re: Last Verses for Organ
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Last Verses for Organ
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
RE: Last Verses for Organ
  by "Shannon A." <musicnbooks@hotmail.com>
RE: 32" sound in speakers
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
HAPPY CHRISTMAS! (not Holiday!)
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Last Verses for Organ
  by <acruzjr63@comcast.net>
Glasgow, Scotland
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Re: 32" sound in speakers
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Last Verses for Organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
fancy footwork video clip wanted
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
RE: Last Verses for Organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
OK, tell me . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Holiday Greetings
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: fancy footwork video clip wanted
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: 32" sound in speakers
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Glasgow, Scotland
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:43:55 +1300   >Perhaps if the pipes are very close together the air pressure changes produced by one are affecting the air-reed of the other and causing some kind of intermodulation effect.   I don't think this is so. The pipes are on only 3.5" wind and are not of excessive scale. The 16ft Open Wood provides the basis, and the 16ft = SubBass the Quint. These two ranks date from 1877 and were made by TCLewis in the 16stop 2m organ in the old cathedral, a building a fraction of the size of the present one.   Whatever the logic we may seem to have, in my experience I have to say = that the 32ft Resultant bass is not an illusion, but plain fact. I don't hear = two harmonics and my ear does not add the fundamental: but in fact the 32ft octave IS produced, sufficient to shake a vast cathedral built of heavy reinforced concrete.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: bass in a piano From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:26:39 -0600   Jonas Chickering, himself, was a avid tinkerer and he tried many different =   things in his pianos. Many of the things he tried were a Bain to the industry like solid brass action rails. Later the little brass tongues would break off and the note was eternally doomed. They made replacement tongues but they do not work well. When his sons and cousins took over things standardized some, but it was not until 1908 when the American = Piano Co. took control and standardized things. I think 1908 to 1930 is the era =   you are lovingly referring to. James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Creator of Handsome Hardwood Caster Cups (314) 608-4137 WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE! pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:49 PM Subject: bass in a piano        
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:27:48 +0800   Ross is quite correct, the 32' note is actually there. When two = frequencies are beating together the sum and the difference of the two is produced. = The difference frequency is the 32' note and it is actually there. It is not = an illusion or a note added by the human ear. This phenomena has been used = for at least 70 years in the electronics of radio receivers in producing the superheterodyne radio receiver now used universally. It was also used in reading morse code on radio to turn the incoming morse code signal into an =   audible note. Normally the signal coming in would be very high in the supersonic region and would be heard as only a hiss.Beating it with a frequency 800Hz away will produce an audible note of 800 Hz, quite = audible. Bob Elms (radio amateur for 50 years)   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers     > >Perhaps if the pipes are very close together the air pressure changes > produced by one are affecting the air-reed of the other and causing some > kind of intermodulation effect. > > I don't think this is so. The pipes are on only 3.5" wind and are not of > excessive scale. The 16ft Open Wood provides the basis, and the 16ft > SubBass > the Quint. These two ranks date from 1877 and were made by TCLewis in = the > 16stop 2m organ in the old cathedral, a building a fraction of the size = of > the present one. > > Whatever the logic we may seem to have, in my experience I have to say > that > the 32ft Resultant bass is not an illusion, but plain fact.    
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:28:28 -0600   It is my opinion that a resultant of 32' pitch can cause objects like = walls to be fooled just like our ears. The partials can cause the walls to = shake just about as much as the real fundamental. Jim James Grebe Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair Creator of Handsome Hardwood Caster Cups (314) 608-4137 WWW.JamesGrebe.com 1526 Raspberry Lane Arnold, MO 63010 BECOME WHAT YOU BELIEVE! pianoman@accessus.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers     > >Perhaps if the pipes are very close together the air pressure changes > produced by one are affecting the air-reed of the other and causing some > kind of intermodulation effect. > > I don't think this is so. The pipes are on only 3.5" wind and are not of > excessive scale. The 16ft Open Wood provides the basis, and the 16ft > SubBass > the Quint. These two ranks date from 1877 and were made by TCLewis in = the > 16stop 2m organ in the old cathedral, a building a fraction of the size = of > the present one. > > Whatever the logic we may seem to have, in my experience I have to say > that > the 32ft Resultant bass is not an illusion, but plain fact. I don't hear =   > two > harmonics and my ear does not add the fundamental: but in fact the 32ft > octave IS produced, sufficient to shake a vast cathedral built of heavy > reinforced concrete. > > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: The Christmas Recital from Organs and Organists Online From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:20 +0200   Dear List,   Some time ago list member Colin Mitchell suggested that it would be = possible to make up a weekly recital from our site http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ Well, there is now a wealth of material to choose from, and this is certainly true of today's additions which I think make a complete recital = in themselves.   As an opening item on the programme I would be hard pressed to choose between David German's "Festive Trumpet Tune" played by Jared Grenz, = winner of the Gold Medal for Solo Trumpet at the Wisconsin Music Festival for the =   past two years, accompanied by his father, Timothy Grenz. Or you might choose the Prelude and Fugue in D major BWV 532 played by Scott = Montgomery, live in recital, on the II/20 tracker action Dobson organ in Mckinley Presbyterian Church in Champaign, Illinois, USA. On the other hand you might prefer a quiet start with Gregory Ceurvorst's finely crafted "O Mensch bewein" BWV 622 played on the 1983 IV/97 = Casavant Organ in the First United Church in Oak Park, Illinois, saving the D major =   or the Festive Trumpet for the end! You could decide where to put Mendelssohn's 3rd Organ Sonata in A major in =   the programme, also from Scott Montgomery's recital, and Cesar Franck's "Priere". Scott demonstrates how effective a small two manual tracker = action organ can be for romantic music in this elegantly phrased and eloquently interpreted performance. It is very interesting to compare Scott's performance of the Bach D major with that of Douglas Marshall, on the organ in Wall Street which has been much in the news this week.   Well, there it all is - sit back and enjoy! http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/   John Foss Organists Off Topic http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : The origins of life; A practical lesson in Political =   Incorrectnes; Today's science lesson; Large boats on the Mississippi and =   Greek freight trains in winter (Photos)        
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:13:23 -0600   Hello, Bob: de W5QQM What is your call sign?   F. Richard Burt Garland, Texas U.S.A. ..    
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:11:26 -0600   At 12:13 PM 12/24/04, you wrote: >What is your call sign?   What has this to do with 32' sound in the speakers?   How difficult can it be to change the subject line or in this case send a personal message to the sender instead of cluttering the list.   jch        
(back) Subject: Re: 32' C frequency From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:01:50 +0000   On 12/22/04 2:00 PM, "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> wrote:   > the low A is about 24 Hz and the top C is about 4096 Hz. For A=3D440 = Hz, that > is.   24? How come? Wouldn't it be 27.5?   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Valerie Lefever - Grace Lutheran, Lancaster PA 2 Jan From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:21:23 -0500   For anyone in the area of Lancaster, a "local," Valerie Lefever, now a senior organ/church-music/theology student at Valparaiso U. will play a great line-up of music at Grace Lutheran Church, North Queen & James Street= s (start of the 500 block), Lancaster, on Sunday afternoon 2 January at 4 p.m."   Her program includes   C=E9sar Franck -- Final Louis Vierne -- Finale, Symph. 1 Vincent L=FCbeck - Prelude and Fugue in F J. S. Bach -- Sonata No. 2 in c   chorale preludes on "Freu dich sehr" and "Lobt Gott, ihr Christen" by Max Reger and "Es ist ein Ros' entsprungen" by Brahms   and closes with "Dieu parmi nous" from _La Nativit=E9 du Seigneur_ by Messiaen.   The organ is a 54-rank 1867 Hermann Schlicker with revised Great principal chorus and added 16' and 32' digital Bourdons in the pedal.   Free "indoor" parking in the parking garage of Lancaster General Hospital, entered just north of the church on Queen Street (which is one-wa= y north in Lancaster). Offering. Reception afterward.   Stephanie is hoping to go to graduate school and enter the field of professional Church music. She will play much of this program as her senior recital at "Valpo" in the coming semester on the larger Schlicker with similar but more extensive revisions than made at Grace, Lancaster.   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Last Verses for Organ From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:24:53 -0000   Does anybody know what the best book is for last verses?   DS     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004  
(back) Subject: Re: Last Verses for Organ From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:36:15 -0500   Dominic Scullion wrote:   > Does anybody know what the best book is for last verses? > > DS > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004 > Publisher Kevin Mayhew [available through Mel Bay in the US] has some great books...but avoid After The Last Verse by Malcolm Archer, for these neat verses are for the organist to PLAY after the last verse sung. =     -- | noel jones, aago | gedeckt@usit.net | athens, tn | Moderator | Rodgers Organ Users Group at www.frogmusic.,com | Support Group and Publishing Music and User's Guides | Voicing Services for Rodgers Organs, Digital & Pipe    
(back) Subject: Re: Last Verses for Organ From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:51:29 EST   There is, unfortunately, no ONE BEST BOOK of last verse (free hymn harmonizations for organ)- as all such books contain such a limited number = of selections. One's library must include at least 10 - so better (it is) to = think of a whole group of these as necessary to your repertoire - if, indeed, = altered harmonies are welcome and enjoyed by your congregation. Certainly the two collections (100 in each) by T. Tertius Noble are essential. (H.W. Gray, Belwin). If those are out of print, heaven help us = all! OHS, there's a project! Dale Rider Independence, MO USA  
(back) Subject: RE: Last Verses for Organ From: "Shannon A." <musicnbooks@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:28:44 -0600   I use several, but my favorites are the ONE by David Schoebel and several = by Janet Linker. Shannon   >From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: Last Verses for Organ >Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 20:24:53 -0000 > >Does anybody know what the best book is for last verses? > >DS > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004 >      
(back) Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:53:51 -0000   I don't think it really does - after all, some of these ancient = cathedrals of ours would fall down if they were constantly being shaken for real. I think that what is really shaken is our internal body organs, and since = the only time they get shaken is during earthquakes or such like, we kind of assume that the building must be shaking because we are shaking...   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TheShieling Sent: 24 December 2004 12:44 To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers   >Perhaps if the pipes are very close together the air pressure changes=20 produced by one are affecting the air-reed of the other and causing some =   kind of intermodulation effect.   I don't think this is so. The pipes are on only 3.5" wind and are not of excessive scale. The 16ft Open Wood provides the basis, and the 16ft = SubBass the Quint. These two ranks date from 1877 and were made by TCLewis in = the 16stop 2m organ in the old cathedral, a building a fraction of the size = of the present one.   Whatever the logic we may seem to have, in my experience I have to say = that the 32ft Resultant bass is not an illusion, but plain fact. I don't hear = two harmonics and my ear does not add the fundamental: but in fact the 32ft octave IS produced, sufficient to shake a vast cathedral built of heavy reinforced concrete.=20   Ross     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: HAPPY CHRISTMAS! (not Holiday!) From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:57:52 -0000   May I wish all PipeChat subscribers a very Happy Christmas and Peaceful = New Year. I have just returned from Midnight Communion with my family (11 of them staying with us, and a visitor from Egypt) All quiet here in Coventry, with snow expected tomorrow, and so to bed, dreaming of a White Christmas....   Will Light Coventry UK      
(back) Subject: Re: Last Verses for Organ From: <acruzjr63@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 02:27:15 +0000   The best book is the one you write yourself. I'm not gifted in a way that = allows me to improvise at the keyboard (unless it's during communion, I've = practiced the improvisation, and I think nobody is listening anyway), but = it's fun (and a good exercise) to write your own introducions, last verses = and interludes.   David Cherwien's book "Let the Congregation Sing" (I Ithink that's the = title) is very helpful if you need a place to start.   Merry Christmas to all, Tony Cruz Jacksonville, FL -------------- Original message --------------   Does anybody know what the best book is for last verses? DS     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004
(back) Subject: Glasgow, Scotland From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 02:43:48 -0000   I was wondering if anybody knew of any good organs to play on in Glasgow Scotland?     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004  
(back) Subject: Re: 32" sound in speakers From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:30:15 -0600   The tower of Chichester Cathedral did fall down in 1861. It was not an unexpected event and the organ on the pulpitum had already been taken down and stored in anticipation of the event. The tower very obligingly fell straight down, not causing any damage to anything else around it, and it = was kind enough to do it during the lunch hour so that there was nobody around to get hurt.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers     I don't think it really does - after all, some of these ancient cathedrals of ours would fall down if they were constantly being shaken for real.      
(back) Subject: Re: Last Verses for Organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:33:41 +0000   On 12/25/04 2:27 AM, "acruzjr63@comcast.net" <acruzjr63@comcast.net> wrote:   > The best book is the one you write yourself.   Definitely true, and for another very basic reason, too. Different books have rhythmic and melodic sand traps, that you=B9ve got to customize your wor= k to match=8Bnot to mention the key you want to be in.   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: fancy footwork video clip wanted From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 23:20:08 -0500   Does anyone know of a video clip out there in the world wide wasteland = that shows tricky organ footwork? I have a friend far away who's curious... thought it would be easiest to send a URL... but... don't know of one. It =   doesn't have to be the Sowerby Pageant or something... but fancier than = the average bass line of a hymn would be cool.   Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Last Verses for Organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:24:55 -0600   The 100 Last Verses by Noel Rawsthorne are good, and are published by Mayhew.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: OK, tell me . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:27:03 -0600   About a wonderful Christmas service. All the guests have gone home, and the home is tidied up. I can't get St. Peter's service, so want someone to tell me about theirs.   A blessed Christmastide to you all.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Holiday Greetings From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:08:32 -0600   We hope all of our friends on the list have a Merry Christmas and Thank You all for being part of our on-line family.   David and Tim -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: fancy footwork video clip wanted From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 01:18:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time)   On 12/24/04 @ 22:21:04, Andy Lawrence wrote: -------Original Message------- Does anyone know of a video clip out there in the world wide wasteland = that shows tricky organ footwork? I have a friend far away who's curious... thought it would be easiest to send a URL... but... don't know of one. It doesn't have to be the Sowerby Pageant or something... but fancier than = the average bass line of a hymn would be cool. Perhaps Felix Hell has some "footage" of "fancy footwork" available somewhere of one of his concerts? Just an early Christmas morning thought. . . Merry Christmas, everyone. Faithfully, Rich  
(back) Subject: RE: 32" sound in speakers From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:20:09 +1300   >I think that what is really shaken is our internal body organs, and since the only time they get shaken is during earthquakes or such like, we kind of assume that the building must be shaking because we are shaking...   Will, I cannot accept this. I really do know the difference between shaken organs of mine, and a concrete building around me being shaken. Have you ever experienced a very effectvie 32ft Resultant in a large reverberant space like a cathedral? Believe me, it feels, and sounds, exactly like an open 32ft wood.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: Glasgow, Scotland From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:22:13 +1300   >I was wondering if anybody knew of any good organs to play on in Glasgow Scotland?   Yes, the 3m Lewis concert organ in Kelvingrove Art Gallery. That one's a must. And then there's the big 4m Cavaille-Coll in Paisley Abbey (i.e. the main Church of Scotland church in Paisley, now virtually a suburb of Glasgow.)   Ross