PipeChat Digest #5048 - Thursday, December 30, 2004
 
Re: Moods and Playing
  by "Staffan Thuringer" <staffan_thuringer@yahoo.com.au>
RE: Pedal methods WAS Philosophy of organ learning
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Bad Kids and Chatty Adults
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
RE: Episcopal liturgy
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Bedient Opus 21
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Screaming Kids in church
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
organ chest
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Bad Kids and Chatty Adults
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
RE "Honey, you stink to high heavens!"
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
Lost dog
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Partially Off Topic Subject
  by <Quentsmith@aol.com>
Screaming and smoking
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
RE: Give 'em H[ow]ell[s]
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Bad kids
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "Honey, you stink to high heavens!"
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Moods and Playing From: "Staffan Thuringer" <staffan_thuringer@yahoo.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:02:09 +1100 (EST)   .... David Evangelides wrote: We=92ve all heard the saying that =91the show must go on=92. ...... Dear List, I experienced the effect of mood when my mother died, nearly 30 years ago = (I was in my late 20's, she was 54, cancer) Having a busy life, with two = small children and a day job, I stopped playing music altogether, for a = few months. Ididn't touch the piano at home, and I resigned temporarily = from my position as organist i Marie Bebadelse Catholic Church in the = centre of Stockholm. I played one piece during her funeral, accompagning = her brother who played viloin. But apart from that, I just couldn't bring = myself to play for pleasure. The condition gradually eased, and things = went back to normal. At the time I was a little bit puzzled, as I had = always seen myself as 'strong' and not easily giving in to emotions. I am sure that others have had a similar experience at traumatic times. Regards Staffan Thuringer       --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.  
(back) Subject: RE: Pedal methods WAS Philosophy of organ learning From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:09:54 -0000   Ellingford & Mears's book, The Science of Organ Pedaling was published = by Musical Opinion around 1928 or so. It has been out of print for many = years, but I remember fondly learning from it. It seemed to me to be an = immensely pragmatic book, ease of pedaling taking precedence over traditional = rigid "rules" . Best of all, most of their "exercises" were actually passages = from standard repertoire, so that years after your feet learning some = passage, the hands suddenly have to play "catch up" when you come across the = piece that the "exercise" came from - which, as I have remarked before, is a really weird experience - your feet knowing the piece when your hands = and head don't!   =20   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: 30 December 2004 04:32 To: PipeChat Subject: Pedal methods WAS Philosophy of organ learning   =20   OK   Nilson, Jones' Pedal Mastery, Germani, Elligford and Mears   One now wishes to re-examine various pedal methods.=20   =20   Is the latter of the 4 something that was used in England?=20   Here, teachers seem to use Nilson, or just extract pedal parts from the literature. The Nilson indeed helps with ankle flexiblity and stradaling/playing 3rds with one foot=20   =20   Some of the repertoire also seems to help with developing this, no? = We're working on several of the Reger 30 Short Chorales, and simply marking = the pedal lines with fluid, even movement. The same with some of the Vierne 24/Libre. My teacher assigns me certain things with hopes that I will = come back with good shape to all the parts, including good pedaling. Seems to = be working for his liking. The excercises certainly encourage one to mark pedalings in their scores.=20   =20   Since finding out about both the Nilson and Germani and using bits of = both, I have felt a BIG difference in comfort and ability with in the last = month. The only thing that bothers me: Why had none of my previous DMA holding teachers not assigned me Nilson or Germani? Are some teachers just not = fond of those methods? (One teacher liked alternate toes for EVERYTHING = except the times where it was just absolutely needed...but sometimes, it just = won't work)   =20   =20   _____ =20   Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D29916/*http:/info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250> more.    
(back) Subject: Re: Bad Kids and Chatty Adults From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:26:01 -0500   From Randy: "Please explain what you mean by 'Parents I have found try = their best when it comes to entertaining kids at church.' I do not understand your meaning. Do you mean that church is a place for entertaining kids? = I thought it was a place for worship. If parents were really trying their best they would place their kids in the nursery provided and not in the = pew next to someone trying to pray."   I recall an instance of sitting through a lengthy service next to a beautifully behaved 5-year-old whose dad simply peeled a piece of Scotch tape off a roll and handed it to him every time he started to get fidgety. It worked like a charm. I think the meaning is that when toddlers get = bored, as they inevitably will, parents who want to keep them in the service need to have an arsenal of ideas that will keep the child reasonably quiet.   There are a lot of levels of noise and distraction involved with kids in = the service. I wish parents would take them all to the nursery, but in my opinion an infant who lets out the occasional gurgle, coo or even squall shouldn't be all that distracting to worshippers. A screaming baby or an uncontrolled, noisy toddler is another matter altogether. I think all too many parents have become accustomed to tuning out the noise since they're exposed to it constantly, and don't realize how distracting it is to = others.   I see the issue of adults talking during the prelude has come up again. I = am lucky that we have only a couple of chatterboxes, but our new pastor has a technique that's fairly effective at silencing them. At the conclusion of the announcements, he asks everyone to take a few moments of silence to mentally prepare to worship. After about 20 seconds he gives me a nod and = I start the prelude. It's working pretty well, although I'm not sure how effective it would be in a congregation where the custom is for everyone = to use prelude time as catch-up-on-the-week's-gossip time. I think if that = were my situation, they'd get a steady diet of sightreading from the first book of the Liturgical Organist and that I'd spend exactly no time planning or preparing a decent prelude. What would be the point? Anyway, it helps to have the pastor's support.   Incidentally, I did feel it necessary to gently veto his idea that I begin playing soft "background music" during his quiet-down remarks; his notion was that I'd somehow segue from that into the prelude itself. I told him I felt the music would detract from people's attention to what he was = saying, and vice versa. I admit that in fact I was picturing a combination of a cocktail lounge and televangelism program.    
(back) Subject: RE: Episcopal liturgy From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:14:40 +1300     >Are English horns and Tubas required for playing the Episcopal liturgy?   Most certainly not. There is a heap of 19thC and 20thC music, though, that needs a Clarinet and a biggish Trumpet in the organ if it is to be more-or-less played within the style of the writing. In the UK, that would be used only by the cathedrals and a very few parish churches.   As a matter of fact, of course, the kind of music that needs those two = reeds is completely optional and huge amount of music suitable for cathedrals = and their choirs requires neither of those reeds.   Ross        
(back) Subject: Bedient Opus 21 From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:55:05 -0600   Good Morning, John and Keith, et al:   > > 4. Was this organ the private dream of an organist who was able to obtain > > donors only to find later that his congregation, not being French, didn't > > share the same appreciation for French music? > > I think this is probably the bottom line. If you like French organ music, > this would be a fantastic organ. If, however, you like the Episcopal > Liturgy, you would want plenty of strings, an English Horn, a Tuba, etc.   The report that I heard on this organ after it was installed at North Texas University is that it was designed to play French Baroque music, complete with one of the old temperments. It was played in concert and some of the musical selections ignored the intonation problems associated with the tuning, and (as reported) "It was the worst sounding organ that I had ever heard in concert."   Another person present in the same concert was a bit more tolerant, but admitted that an organ tuned to meantone will probably be handicapped when satisfying the needs of a modern congregation for hymn singing and accompaniment, but it plays the early French compositions quite well.   The second opinion also said that this organ affords a hands-on experience that cannot be "talked about" to convey what old French music sounds like. So, if the person playing late German or English Romantic music doesn't like the effect, the logical solution would be to change the music being played.   AND, . . . that may have been part of the intended experience provided at that first concert at North Texas University. For those who heard it and did not "like" the effect of Romantic music played on the French Baroque instrument, let's keep an open mind. That organ is now in an academic setting where such experimentation can be quite beneficial to a generation raised on the equal temperment tuning of our modern instruments.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Screaming Kids in church From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:12:02 -0600   My twin daughters are now at college, and I am glad to say they were = always pretty well behaved in church, although I do have a couple = memories of embarrassing moments. I don't recall them ever crying or = screaming in church. They did, however, go through an embarrassing = period of shouting "No!" in the middle of the sermon.   On another occasion one of them was playing -- harmlessly it seemed at = the time -- with a ball. Suddenly, without any warning, she turned and = threw it right at the celebrant who was in the middle of the Great = Thanksgiving at the altar. Without missing a beat, he caught it and = fielded it back to her.   John Speller
(back) Subject: organ chest From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:11:41 -0600   HI list, I am getting my brand new swell chest today for the organ at = home. Can't wait until it gets here. Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: Bad Kids and Chatty Adults From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:22:43 -0800 (PST)   I am a sub...   I remember one summer playing a couple of Sundays for a really nice church... I say nice, because the minister appreciated my efforts and some members of the congregation (which really seemed to be a warm, good-hearted country-like congregation although strictly speaking the church was not really in the country) thanked me for my contributions...   But, ahem, one Sunday after the service someone said to me that they could not hear my prelude... I told the individual that if they wouldn't talk so much and so loudly before the service, they would be able to hear my prelude...   The next Sunday, before starting my prelude, I rang the bells (marked Chimes on the organ, although they were not a set of Chimes) eleven times to signify that it was about eleven o'clock... I then started my prelude, and I noticed a great reduction of chatter as compared with the previous Sunday...   Perhaps that individual relayed my message to the "chatterers..."   Best wishes to all,     Morton Belcher fellow list member....           --- Emily Adams <eadams@cinci.rr.com> wrote:   [snip]   > I see the issue of adults talking during the prelude > has come up again. I am > lucky that we have only a couple of chatterboxes, > but our new pastor has a > technique that's fairly effective at silencing them. > At the conclusion of > the announcements, he asks everyone to take a few > moments of silence to > mentally prepare to worship. After about 20 seconds > he gives me a nod and I > start the prelude. It's working pretty well, > although I'm not sure how > effective it would be in a congregation where the > custom is for everyone to > use prelude time as catch-up-on-the-week's-gossip > time. I think if that were > my situation, they'd get a steady diet of > sightreading from the first book > of the Liturgical Organist and that I'd spend > exactly no time planning or > preparing a decent prelude. What would be the point? > Anyway, it helps to > have the pastor's support. > > Incidentally, I did feel it necessary to gently veto > his idea that I begin > playing soft "background music" during his > quiet-down remarks; his notion > was that I'd somehow segue from that into the > prelude itself. I told him I > felt the music would detract from people's attention > to what he was saying, > and vice versa. I admit that in fact I was picturing > a combination of a > cocktail lounge and televangelism program. > > >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:50:01 -0600   I think you are all seeing this as a more extreme event than it was. This IS a very well behaved little boy - who has come up to listen to the postlude since he was very small. This event happened when he was about 3 - for several weeks he had started standing inside the rail - just at the end of the bench, wide-eyed and watching every move - always perfectly quiet and still. It was a surprise to all of us when he chose to touch something - and particularly, that it was the cancel button at the exact moment I played the last note. It was quite a shock to him when the organ stopped abruptly, and he started to get scared. But everyone laughed it off, and his parents told him this showed what can happen when you touch something you know nothing about. He went away no scared and having learned a lesson - perhaps about more than just organs. And he continues to come up to watch the postlude (but from a few feet away). Perhaps when he grows up a bit, he will sit on that bench and learn what all those buttons do. (A little girl who has been watching postludes ever since she could walk is now 10 and will be starting organ lessons in September.)   Margo   Robert Lind wrote: > Well, I wish that you, Roy, as a child psychologist, might tell us how = best > to handle such a situation so that we don't turn the kid off from organ > music by coming on too strong. I'd be rather relieved if I were to laugh = it > up in a situation such as this. My immediate reaction, I think, would be = to > be quite upset, and I'd undoubtedly be sorry afterward. What is a = reasoned > response that allows one to laugh it up at the outset but then be able = to > deal with the "problem" side of this as well? > Bob Lind > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy Kersey <rkersey@tds.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare > > > >>Dear Margo and All, >> Margo wrote: >> >><<one little boy, just about as tall as the lowest >>manual, was standing just at the end of the bench watching everything. = At > > the very instant I got to the last note, he reach up and pushed cancel. = >> > >>Am I the only grouch here, or are there others who would suggest pushing = a > > "general cancel" on this little boy? At the very least, he (and the = others, > too) needs to keep his distance from the console in the future, if he = can't > behave, which he's proved he can't. My thinking is that if you are old > enough to be away from your parents and old enough to reach the manual, = you > are old enough to know "don't touch." > >> I am all for children's curiousity about the organ being gratified, > > but not when they have no manners and no impulse control. Unfortunately > this kind of thing is frequently momentarily funny, which temporarily > obscures how rude it is. And my day job is . . . child psychologist, so = for > once I am offering an expert opinion. > >>Best Regards, >>Roy Kersey > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: RE "Honey, you stink to high heavens!" From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:52:03 -0800   =3D-> How would Mr. Fox react to others commenting his playing with the same level of sensitivity? "Dude, you play like a ** ** **" (insert your "power words" of choice). <-=3D     Basically, his was of reacting was to "laugh all the way to the bank" as the saying goes.   ~ C      
(back) Subject: Lost dog From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:41:18 -0600   I forgot and left my dog at church.............I had a Llasa Apso apse lapse moment, alas.   ;>)   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Partially Off Topic Subject From: <Quentsmith@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:58:29 EST   Dear Pipe Chat Enthusiasts,   I am a digital and pipe organ dealer in California and I have just = run across the most dispicable display of extortion and extreme business practices in my life. I use cable to run my digital organ speakers (and = pipe connections) and rightfully so. It is expensive for the best quality that = is required for my installations. It has been brought to my attention that Monster = Cable Company is making attacks on businesses and individuals with any name of Monster in it, whether or not it has anything to do with electronics or = associated products or services.   The website: www.stopthemonster.com. explains all this and more. = This has been written up in the Denver newspapers. It is my intent and purpose = to educate those unaware of these situations and we need as organ dealers and =   electronic component purchasers to bring pressure to bear on Monster Cable = to cease and desist from their apparent attacks on legitimate businesses.   Please help these unfortunate small business people bring about a quick change in the attitude and acts of Monster Cable.   Most sincerely,   Quentin Smith  
(back) Subject: Screaming and smoking From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:01:19 +0000   On 12/29/04 9:59 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > The same, in a way, could be said of a cigarette. And, I couldn't agree m= ore. >=20 > With tounge firmly implanted in cheek, >=20 Terrific post! Right on all counts, in every way.   With NOTHING implanted in cheek or elsewhere. I wish we=B9d known each othe= r 30+ years earlier, with you 30 years older or me 30+ years younger.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Every Organist's Worst Nightmare From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:14:02 +0800   Margo,   I think you handled the situation perfectly well. At my last church, two or= three kids would often hang behind while the "Exit music for children's ch= urch" was being played and they would stand spell-bound and facinated half-= way between the console and the back-door to the sanctuary as the organist = played the music. Sometimes their teachers would come in to fetch them as t= hey stayed and watched the choir sing an anthem.   When I grew up, I was glad that our family was perpetually late to worship = service becuase we got the first pew behind the organ console. I loved to w= atch the organist play from only 6 feet away. Never could see her feet, bec= ause there was a half-wall behind the bench.   As a one-time event this isn't a biggie; if unruly kids become a problem th= en there are issues with dicipline.   These are the kind of kids that have a yearning for music and I enjoy havin= g them around! They'll be in the junior choirs, and perhaps do an offertory= on a song-flute or record ... and eventually they are the ones who will ta= ke our positions. And church organ music will continue dispite the Telecast= ers, Stratocasters, and V-Drums.       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>   > I think you are all seeing this as a more extreme event than it=20 > was. This IS a very well behaved little boy - who has come up to=20 > listen to the postlude since he was very small.=20=20   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: RE: Give 'em H[ow]ell[s] From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:18:14 -0600   And the second of the Two Slow Pieces for Organ (if that is really its name), and Master Tallis's Testament, and at least one of the Rhapsodies.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Randolph Runyon   Great! Just what I'm looking for. I guess you mean the psalm preludes especially (all but one of them).     On Dec 29, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Glenda wrote:   > Because I just happen to love pieces like his that start quietly, > crescendo to a thunder, and suddenly die away in a whisper.        
(back) Subject: Re: Bad kids From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:36:26 +0000   On 12/29/04 10:24 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > What small children are doing at Mass instead of in nurseries is a myster= y to > me.=20   OK, Bill, let me try. At baptism of an infant, don=B9t the (god)parents promise to =B3bring this brat to the services of God=B9s house=B2 (approx. quotation? I don=B9t have the current PECUSA [ouch!] text at hand). Leave i= t at home with the nanny. But that doesn=B9t really fulfill the baptismal vow, does it? Echhh, such a problem.   Just like SJE, and for the same wonderful reason, we don=B9t have this problem. When it DOES come up, a parent takes the kid out to the narthex for a few minutes. Or as long as needed. (No cry room here.)   As a decent catholic, you know that neither nursery nor Sunday School is a replacement for mass attendance.   Alan (I=B9m sorry; I=B9ve been nasty. Well, OK, not REALLY sorry! And, I hope= , not TERRIBLY nasty!)      
(back) Subject: Re: "Honey, you stink to high heavens!" From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 06:38:18 +0800   My daughter wears "ruby slippers", and on occasion has been known to don a = satin-lined cape. Does that count?   I'd rather listen to V.F.'s arch rival, E.P.B. any day ... and I wish I had= 10% of either one's talent.   I can't imagine what Fox would've said to a hundred dairymen, coming in "fr= esh" from milking their herds. (Maybe I can, but I choose not to!)       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> To: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>, PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: "Honey, you stink to high heavens!"   > =3D-> >=20 > "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> wrote, >=20 > OK, I did once get up on the front pew of a crowded dairy farming=20 > community church and ask who stunk so much when I was about four=20 > ... but it was before the service. :-) >=20 > <-=3D >=20 >=20 > Hmmmm. sounds like you and Virgil Fox have something in common!!=20 > hahahahaha!!!!!! >=20 > ~ > C   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm