PipeChat Digest #4272 - Friday, February 13, 2004
 
Re: careful, now...
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
Recital Announcements--Cadet Chapel
  by "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
NU on WTTW
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: careful, now...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: careful, now...
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: careful, now...
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: careful, now...
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
RE: careful, now...
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Worship at UCHP
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Friendship Baptist Church, Charlotte, NC Dedication Series x-post
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Organ Department at the University of Illinois
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: careful, now... From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:41:33 -0600   Jon,   Please don't take this wrong, but WHY on earth would a qualified = professional organist EVER choose to lead a Praise Band!?! Seems self = defeating to me. ... There is no amount of money that could convince me = to. Not what I have spent 45 years of study and hard work for. Sorry. = If that makes me an elitist snob, so be it. It's my honest opinion. If = you or anyone else finds it satisfying, you have my best wishes in your = endeavor. I'll keep to my loft, traditional Liturgy, boring = responsorials and all. To me Worship is meaningful prayer and = reflection, not a floor show for the purpose of entertaining the masses.   Tim ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Orwig=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: careful, now...     Ok, folks....   Let's be careful about sweeping generalizations concerning worship = styles.....   There are some of us on this list who choose to serve (notice I said = CHOOSE) in a church where there happens to be a contemporary service and a = praise band...   There are (horrors) even those of us who have the audacity to LEAD one = and LIKE it!   I am SICK and TIRED of constantly hearing organists WHINE about the = things that have happened in worship styles.... for HEAVEN'S sake - DO YOU REALLY THINK = GOD CARES IN WHAT FORM WE WORSHIP? No, not if we are doing so in spirit and in = truth.   The so-called dumbing-down of worship has as much to do with boring = organ-playing and people who have allowed their liturgy to become a routine as it does some = vast right-wing conspiracy <grin>   Foks, we'll not agree on this, I'm sure, but PLEASE, PLEASE be careful = with your emotions about this - I KNOW there are bad situations out there, I KNOW there are = power-hungry pastors and people who do the "contemporary service" for the wrong reasons   I also KNOW there are those who enjoy this style and try to do it with = excellence and integrity too - please remember for every attention-hungry performance-oriented praise = band/worship leader out there there is also someone else who desires to use a different medium and = style to reach out to people who don't care for tradition. And also, please be careful what you say = about Willow and Saddleback - I've had the privilege of spending time with the leadership from BOTH of those = churches, and their focus is not on whining about traditional worship - their focus is about seeing people come to = a relationship with God.   Having said all that, I've known Randy for a couple of years via the = list, and I've known Dale for (gosh is it that long?) 14 years now. Both of them are great guys and great musicians, and = I'm proud to call them my friends, even if I _don't_ always agree with them.   All the Best,   Jonathan     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.587 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 2/12/2004  
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:11:05 -0500   Dear List,   There is a model for 10K, however it's a modest 2 manual with 23 stops . = Do note this is not a Renaissance TM model; it is from the Prot=E9g=E9 = =AE series (a C-2a, to be exact). This is without moving tabs, as I've = heard each magnet costs $75! So, it's a bargain deal that "delivers = legendary Allen sound and quality without breaking your budget"...so = there website says. Hope this helps...and no, I'm not affiliated with = Allen, though a bit of research never hurt!   Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC [who would take a pipe organ that works any = day ;-)] Director of Music & Organist St. Paul's Lutheran Church Bethlehem, PA Cell: (610) 462-8017 ----- Original Message -----=20 Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net<mailto:octaaf@charter.net>> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:14:58 -0600   Randy wrote: "They did say prices started at $10,000. What model = might that be?"   Good question Randy. 10K for a new Allen? ...not likely. A 3 manual = of solid disposition STARTS around $75-100K. Hard to find a "newer" = pre-owned Allen under $20K, even on the Theatre Organ Classifieds!   Perhaps there is an Allen dealer on this list that can clarify??? It = was much less expensive importing my new digital organ from Europe .. = though, I admit much more inconvenient. Being a custom instrument, there was a = wait of several months.   Cheers,   Tim  
(back) Subject: Recital Announcements--Cadet Chapel From: "Wm. G. Chapman" <wchapmn@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:07:01 -0500   UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY OFFICE OF THE CHAPLAIN WEST POINT, NEW YORK 10996-1698   Concerts in the Cadet Chapel Sundays at 3:00 p.m. Open to the public Free of charge =20 Spring, 2004 =20 February 22...... Class of 1936 Distinguished Organists' Recital Ronald Ebrecht, Wesleyan University Organist (Program of African American organ music and Durufl=E9 first editions)   April 18............. Class of 1936 Distinguished Organists' Recital Marek Kudlicki (Vienna) =20 May 9................ Mother's Day Organ Recital (artist to be determined)   (For further information, please contact Craig Williams, 1-845-938-7352 = or yc9044@usma.edu)   http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/West-Point-Organ-USMA/      
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:01:25 -0800 (PST)   I worked for a music company that sold these models. They are fun to play = and the sounds are very nice. I hate that the great and pedal are = enclosed though and the bench is really short, but other than that I did = not have any complaints on it.   Christopher Howerter <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> wrote:Dear List, There is a model for 10K, however it's a modest 2 manual with 23 stops = Do note this is not a Renaissance TM model; it is from the Prot=E9g=E9 =AE = series (a C-2a, to be exact). This is without moving tabs, as I've heard = each magnet costs $75! So, it's a bargain deal that "delivers legendary = Allen sound and quality without breaking your budget"...so there website = says. Hope this helps...and no, I'm not affiliated with Allen, though a = bit of research never hurt! Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC [who would take a pipe organ that works any = day ;-)] Director of Music & Organist St. Paul's Lutheran Church Bethlehem, PA Cell: (610) 462-8017 ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:14:58 -0600   Randy wrote: "They did say prices started at $10,000. What model might = that be?"   Good question Randy. 10K for a new Allen? ...not likely. A 3 manual of solid disposition STARTS around $75-100K. Hard to find a "newer" = pre-owned Allen under $20K, even on the Theatre Organ Classifieds!   Perhaps there is an Allen dealer on this list that can clarify??? It was much less expensive importing my new digital organ from Europe .. though, = I admit much more inconvenient. Being a custom instrument, there was a wait of several months.   Cheers,   Tim         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online  
(back) Subject: NU on WTTW From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:26:47 EST   Hello, A story covering the NU Organ Department will air on WTTW 11 (Chicago) = this evening at 9:30pm. The name of the show is Art Beat Chicago. Hope you have the opportunity to see it! gfc   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: careful, now... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:18:34 -0500   I agree with you on the imperative to make the organ produce The Joy of Music. Crank it up, let 'er rip. I'd love to hear you play sometime, Desir=E9e. You go, girl!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           on 2/13/04 12:44 PM, T.Desiree' Hines at nicemusica@yahoo.com wrote:   EXACTLY AGAIN! in Agreement with Jonathan orwig     When we organists use big sounds to aaccompany hymns, and stop having apathetic "the organ is a liturgical instrument" attitudes, and play with some Coral Ridge Diane Bish Ruffatti zest...thats when people will stop feeling that the organ is dead and un-helpful in worship.   Me likes this list....me likes me likes!                 From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html         Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html>        
(back) Subject: RE: careful, now... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:14:38 -0600   gag   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Randolph Runyon Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: careful, now...   =20   I agree with you on the imperative to make the organ produce The Joy of = Music. Crank it up, let 'er rip. I'd love to hear you play sometime, = Desir=E9e. You go, girl!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           on 2/13/04 12:44 PM, T.Desiree' Hines at nicemusica@yahoo.com wrote:   EXACTLY AGAIN! in Agreement with Jonathan orwig     When we organists use big sounds to aaccompany hymns, and stop having = apathetic "the organ is a liturgical instrument" attitudes, and play = with some Coral Ridge Diane Bish Ruffatti zest...thats when people will = stop feeling that the organ is dead and un-helpful in worship.=20   Me likes this list....me likes me likes!                 From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   _____ =20     Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online = <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html> =     =20      
(back) Subject: RE: careful, now... From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:50:54 -0800 (PST)   Gag? oh no you didnt lol haha Coral Ridge PC and the Joy of Music is what drew me to the organ at 14 = years old..and Im only 24 now. So while some gag...be thankful for a = program that got to a young organist who listens to Beyonce regularly     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online  
(back) Subject: Re: careful, now... From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:53:04 -0500   Sorry!!! Jonathan, I know from your recordings, you are a magnificent artist. I'd forgotten that you once told me there was a praise band in = your church. From your wording below I take it that you don't lead the band. = I imagine if you did it would transcend the genre and become something quite fine. But I still feel, with Alan Freed, that there is some connection between a certain religious right (a new radical religious right, not the true conservatives) and what Marva Dawn calls the dumbing down of our churches. The biggest problem, and Marva puts her finger on it, is to = think that the purpose of a worship service is to attract newcomers to the = church. No, by heaven! The purpose of worship is to nourish the church that is already there. Worship should not be highjacked to do recruitment. The = one thing in a service that ought to attract newcomers is the sermon. The preacher ought to have something to say they would find worth hearing. = But the purpose, as Dawn writes, of music is to contribute to the worship. Worship is what you do when you're already part of a church.   Dale in Florida writes:   We all know however that way too often we do it because Warren and Hybels = et al say that is the only way to grow a church. Entire UMC conferences are doing that-----W.Va., FL, and others.   There are other ways as well and other styles are growing, thinking PCA in particular.   Most growing churches require something of the members and that is the key not worship style.   Having said that to try and be in agreement with my (yes it has been THAT LONG) friend Jonathan, i use midi every week and we do a lightly blended worship at my Lutheran church. And the organ makes a wonderful pad instrument.   I bet your blended worship is beautiful and worshipful, Dale. Could you explain these terms, though: Warren, Hybels, PCA (Presbyterian Church in America?)?   By the way, I do blended, too, just not with drums and cymbals (biblical = as they may be!). Every third Sunday or so I conduct a gospel anthem, either white gospel or black. I typically accompany the choir for the gospel numbers on our grand piano, which has a fine sound. For instance, in a couple of Sundays we'll do Glenn E. Burleigh's "Order My Steps." That really rocks! This Sunday, though, we are singing Saint-Saens "Panis Angelicus" (not to be confused with Franck's), with organ. Such gorgeous music.   If I may try to draw a distinction (though I may have forfeited my chance to, with my sweeping generalizations), I think there is a meaningful difference between music that, like white gospel and black gospel, grows = out of a real tradition, a folk music, and music based on a commercial model, which is what I take praise band music to be, from the instances of it I have heard. It's just another way of saying that music that has stood the test of time is good music, whether it is the European classical tradition or the various American gospel traditions. It is good for at least two reasons: it has undergone a winnowing process through the passage of time that has separated the wheat from the chaff, and it has grown out of the history of a people--it has narratives built in it that parallel the great narrative of the Israelites brought out from Egypt. Every black gospel = song implies an entire history of suffering and the hope of redemption. And so does white gospel: the suffering of sharecroppers and the downtrodden Southern poor. It's all there in the music. Why else does it almost only ever talk of heaven? Because life on earth is so damn tough.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       on 2/13/04 12:37 PM, Jonathan Orwig at giwro@adelphia.net wrote:   Ok, folks.... Let's be careful about sweeping generalizations concerning worship styles..... There are some of us on this list who choose to serve (notice I said = CHOOSE) in a church where there happens to be a contemporary service and a praise band... There are (horrors) even those of us who have the audacity to LEAD one and LIKE it! I am SICK and TIRED of constantly hearing organists WHINE about the things that have happened in worship styles.... for HEAVEN'S sake - DO YOU REALLY THINK GOD CARES IN WHAT FORM WE WORSHIP? No, not if we are doing so in spirit and in = truth. The so-called dumbing-down of worship has as much to do with boring organ-playing and people who have allowed their liturgy to become a routine as it does some vast right-wing conspiracy <grin> Foks, we'll not agree on this, I'm sure, but PLEASE, PLEASE be careful = with your emotions about this - I KNOW there are bad situations out there, I KNOW there are power-hungry pastors and people who do the "contemporary service" for the wrong reasons I also KNOW there are those who enjoy this style and try to do it with excellence and integrity too - please remember for every attention-hungry performance-oriented praise band/worship leader out there there is also someone else who desires to use a different medium and style to reach out to people who don't care for tradition. And also, please be careful what you say about Willow and Saddleback - I've had the privilege of spending time with the leadership from BOTH of those = churches, and their focus is not on whining about traditional worship - their focus is about seeing people come to a relationship with God. Having said all that, I've known Randy for a couple of years via the list, and I've known Dale for (gosh is it that long?) 14 years now. Both of them are great guys and great musicians, and I'm proud to call them my friends, even if I _don't_ always agree with them. All the Best, Jonathan          
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:52:35 -0500   Dear Tim et al, I bought my Theatre III MDS Allen for $14,500. off the Internet. It plays both theatre as well as classical with second voicing. It is one helluva organ and was built in 1993. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night     > Randy wrote: "They did say prices started at $10,000. What model might that > be?" > > Good question Randy. 10K for a new Allen? ...not likely. A 3 manual of > solid disposition STARTS around $75-100K. Hard to find a "newer" pre-owned > Allen under $20K, even on the Theatre Organ Classifieds! > > Perhaps there is an Allen dealer on this list that can clarify??? It = was > much less expensive importing my new digital organ from Europe .. = though, I > admit much more inconvenient. Being a custom instrument, there was a = wait > of several months. > > Cheers, > > Tim > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.587 / Virus Database: 371 - Release Date: 2/12/2004 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: careful, now... From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:51:25 -0600   Okay, I'm convinced. :-)   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:51 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: careful, now...   =20   Gag? oh no you didnt=20   lol   haha   =20   Coral Ridge PC and the Joy of Music is what drew me to the organ at 14 years old..and Im only 24 now. So while some gag...be thankful for a program that got to a young organist who listens to Beyonce regularly <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif>=20   =20   =20       From Desiree'=20 T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   _____ =20   Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D22055/*http:/taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html>=20      
(back) Subject: Worship at UCHP From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:13:18 -0600   Hi! Just to add my 2 cents...   Worship at United Church of Hyde Park (PCUSA, UMC, UCC) conforms to a typical Reformed order of worship (generally). We use the United Methodist Hymnal but include many other styles of music as well. We use black and white gospel, African, Asian, chant of all types, British Choral Literature, typical American church choral music, etc. We use organ, piano, congas, various shaker-type instruments and yes, even guitars and trap sets every once and a while. Our congregation is approximately 47% White, 47% African American and 6% Other. Here's the music list from last week which is pretty typical:   Prelude- "Holy Holy Holy" arr. Marilyn Reimer (piano setting of the hymn combined with themes from Dvorak's New World Symphony)   1st Hymn- "Stand Up And Bless The Lord" ST. MICHAEL   Kyrie- Merbecke   Response of Praise- "We Are Marching In the Light of God" SIYAHAMBA with piano, congas, other instruments   Anthem- "Here I Am, Lord" arr. Jack Schrader   Hymn- "Send Me, Lord" THUMA MINA with instruments   Hymn- "How Can We Name A Love" TERRA BEATA   Offertory- "Arietta" Thomas H. Kerr from MorningStar's African American Organ Music   Doxology- Old 100th   Postlude- "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" Flor Peeters     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago      
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:23:49 -0500   We invite you all to read a copy of the book, MADE IN AMERICA, on the shelves at your library to read about another company that has been featured for many years...through at least two editions that I know of..   -- noel jones, aago noeljones@frogmusic.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ moderator, rodgers organ users group frog music press www.frogmusic.com 423 887-7594 athens, tn, usa      
(back) Subject: Friendship Baptist Church, Charlotte, NC Dedication Series x-post From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:39:41 EST   I was sent an email this morning from a friend on a Rodgers organ users = group showing a list of potential artists on the dedication series of our new Ruffatti pipe organ. Since I know that there are members of this list on = the Rodgers group, I would like to make it clear that this was not a list of = artists that our church has discussed nor have we talked to them. I know how word =   travels at the speed of digital cable these days, so I want to circumvent = the gossip before it spreads further. I have already gotten several emails = asking about why a certain individual on the list was going to be invited to = perform on the dedication series.   At this time, our music staff is discussing possible artists that we would =   like to invite, but none have been invited to play yet and no contracts = have been signed. The only definite concert will be the concert that I play, = which most likely will be the opening dedication concert. We are still working = on a series budget which will determine how many concerts we have. There is a possibility of a concert with the Charlotte Symphony, there is a = possibility of a concert with one of our sister American Baptist churches and their choir, = doing a joint organ/choral festival, as well as solo organ recitals. So as you see, there are some exciting possibilities, but none are set in stone. I = have suggested to the Minister of Music that other than my concert, and another =   special program that I have in the works, that we do six other programs = the first year. However, it all hinges upon money. As we are building a brand new sanctuary, we have some other expenses to deal with right now. When our = pastor lets us know what our final budget is for a concert series, we will = confirm how many programs we will have and which artists will will invite. At that = time, we will run ads in The American Organist and The Diapason promoting our = series, as well as promoting them online through channels like this. If you have = any questions, please feel free to contact me directly. I would be happy to answer any questions about the organ, the proposed concert series, our = music ministry, or our church. (or even my days as Assoc. Minister of = Music/Organist at Calvary Church, Charlotte)   Monty Bennett Principal Organist Friendship Missionary Baptist Church Charlotte, North Carolina    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Department at the University of Illinois From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:02:32 -0600   Thank you for clarifying, Scott. I'll remember that in the future ;-) Alicia     -----Original Message----- From: Scott Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:41:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Organ Department at the University of Illinois   > Then be sure to say struggling organ department > because of school politics. You make it sound has if > you have issues with the instructor, which should be > your personal issues and not to be shared with the > rest of the world. > > --- Alicia Zeilenga <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> > wrote: > > Scott, > > I agree that 26 students is a decent number, but a > > school that doesn't > > even hire a full time professor for so many students > > is not showing a > > whole lot of interest in organ. It is the "higher > > ups" that close organ > > divisions, as we have seen at NU. > > Alicia Zeilenga > > Sub-Dean AGO@UI > > "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis" > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. > http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >