PipeChat Digest #4278 - Sunday, February 15, 2004
 
Re: Left, Right, etc.
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: MY requirements
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: careful, now...
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: a comment, and a suggestion
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Left, Right, etc.
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: a comment, and a suggestion
  by "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com>
RE: hyfrydol
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
RE: hyfrydol
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Left, Right, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Lou Dobbs last night
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Killing off organ studies at major schools
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Under-winding
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Under-winding
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Left, Right, etc.
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Under-winding
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Anyone know? (X-posted)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Left, Right, etc. From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:35:54 -0600   Left, Right, etc.Hello, Alan, et al: =20 Do you think that, ...just maybe, we are becoming=20 confused with labels? I do not like labels. They=20 are too easily mis-interpreted by others, and one=20 can be branded before one knows what happened, as=20 one's "image" is communicated via labels that mean=20 much different things to different people. =20 For instance, "...he is a man of great charisma"=20 means something quite different than, "...he is=20 a charasmatic."   I was once branded by my pastor as "one of them,"=20 ....in that case the new charasmatics active in and=20 around Houston. That branding, or labeling, caused=20 me and my family much grief until we found a church=20 that accepted us, "...just as we were, without one=20 plea..." After careful questioning of my theology,=20 my new pastor smiled and assured me that I would=20 be welcome as "...one of them," and they were in=20 no way part of that new charasmatic movement. =20 So, here are a few labels to chew on: =20 Covenant Theologian Dispensationalist Ultradispensationalist Calvinist, 5 pt, 4 pt, 3-1/2 pt Arminian Traducianist Creationist Dichotomist Trichotomist Supralapsarian Infralapsarian Sublapsarian Theonomist Premillennialist Postmillennialist Amillennialist Pre-Tribulationalist Mid-Week Parturist Posttribulationalist Augustinian Pelagian Equalistrian=20 Hierarchicalist Federalist Semipelagian Reformed Keswick-Holiness Wesleyan Perfectionaist Pentecostal (First Wave) Charismatic (Second Wave) Neo Pentecostal (Third Wave) Graded Absolutist Conflicting Absolutist Non-conflicting Absolutist Lordship Salvationist Free Grace Salvationist Plain-simple Christian =20 All of these labels are for religious communities=20 of one kind of another. None are political in the=20 governmental sense of states, republics, or kingdoms. =20 Many of these labels can be applied to a person of=20 faith without him knowing what you meant, you=20 knowing what you really mean, or others hearing you=20 brand a person thusly, ...and that person can be=20 hurt quite badly, ...and I'm having an increasingly=20 difficult time with trying to understand who is=20 saying what and what it means, when the rules and=20 definitions are being re-defined. =20 Changing the everylasting (...as in the Everlasting=20 Arms of God) by cloaking him in a Saturday Night=20 honkie-tonk, bar-room jazz, or country-western tune=20 invades my consciousness adversely during worship. =20 I often have to tune it out. =20 =20 Entertaining a group of people in a "fellowship"=20 situation, banquet, retreat, or picnic is a much=20 different application of music than when we are=20 in a church setting for worship and inspiration=20 to feed on the Bread of the World. In my mind,=20 it really is okay to have "sacred" music in church,=20 ....still. =20 Many of us listen to "Contemporary Christian Music"=20 on the radio 24/7. While that may be good for=20 keeping our minds fixed on Him who saved us by=20 his sacrifical death of the cross for all humanity,=20 and each of us in particular, you do not ever hear=20 these radio stations playing "sacred" or "church"=20 music for fear that the listeners will quickly=20 shift to another station. Do we have a dichotomy=20 here? I think so. =20 I am completely lost by the present-day people who=20 label us: "...left, right, etc." ...any of us. =20 I have no problem with singing or playing tunes=20 based on some of the better contemporary compositions,=20 as long as it focuses on our primary reason for playing=20 that music. =20 What I have a problem with is being rejected by those=20 who label me for not wanting "Contemporary Christian=20 Music" in church, as heard on the radio 24/7 during=20 my retreat to church for worship of Him who is Wonderful=20 Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everylasting Father, the=20 Prince of Peace. =20 Give me music, ...sacred music that renders these ideas=20 much more vividly than honky-tonk or jazz music ever=20 will. =20 Among us, let's be very slow to label any of the other=20 among us. =20 At the risk of sounding religious, Peace be with you. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: Re: MY requirements From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:40:05 -0500       On 14 Feb 2004 at 16:44, RMB10@aol.com wrote:   > we have a music ministry that > currently has over 400 members participating in some sort or fashion, > and 17 on the music staff.   My GOSH! Are all 17 paid positions?   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: careful, now... From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:42:48 -0600   Hello, Desiree: =20 Me, too, welcomes you to the list. Speak up,=20 ....err, uh, ...pipe up and be heard. =20 There are few things more insideous than a=20 "background organ drone" against which the=20 pianist can shine forth. I like good pianists,=20 but that puts worship accompaniment to extremes.=20 ....uh, ...doesn't it? <grins> =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:50:02 -0600   Hello, List:   > Randy wrote: "They did say prices started at $10,000. What model might that > be?" > > Good question Randy. 10K for a new Allen? ...not likely. A 3 manual of > solid disposition STARTS around $75-100K. Hard to find a "newer" pre-owned > Allen under $20K, even on the Theatre Organ Classifieds!   Supposedly, ...it was rumored among dealers of competitive brands that Allen introduced a two-manual, two-channel, self-contained organ with external options (at extra cost) that had a dealer-cost of less than $5,000. This is unsubstantiated, so don't proclaim this as newly discovered truth. <grins>   If a dealer was in competition with another brand for an organ that might be considered to be deeply discounted, this small Protoge Allen was supposedly going to be their counter-move.   Again, don't take this as very fact; it was only rumored among other dealers.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: a comment, and a suggestion From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:58:41 EST   MELISMA............   did you bring a Kimchi recipe back you can share with all; I have = misplaced mine. Acquired an appreciation for it in my 2 years in Korea. Not = something to eat, tho, for at least 2 days before close contact with the = uninitiated. (This IS on topic: Kimchi WILL keep your "pipes" clean!)   Bob Scara St Paul RC Burlington, NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:06:22 EST   If you really want to see a non-Baptist Baptist church, visit Myers Park Baptist Church in Charlotte--from a choir that wears cassocks and sits in = a divided chancel, to processions with banners, to choral music that would = put most high Episcopal churches to shame, and a liturgy that follows the church = year, you would never know that it was a Baptist service. The church was = originally affiliated dually with the Southern Baptist Convention and the American = Baptist Churches, now it's just ABC. The church is a stunning building in = authentic Williamsburg Colonial style, with all the woodwork and bricks coming from Williamsburg, VA, and the pews being built as box pews with doors. The = organ is a 3 man. Aeolian-Skinner built in 1948 (I think) that was rebuilt a few = years ago with tonal work done by Stuart Goodwin. This church even printed = their own hymnal "The Myers Park Baptist Hymnal" because none of the printed hymnals =   reflected their unique musical and spiritual outlook. Myers Park Baptist = is the sister church to my church, both being American Baptist churches, so I = have played at Myers Park a lot, even doing some interim work there, while they =   looked for an Assoc. Organist last year. I still play for a lot of the = funerals and special services there. It's quite a lot of fun to do the "high = liturgy" on a fantastic organ. Check out the church's website: www.mpbconline.org If I wasn't a member at Friendship, I would be a member there. Well this is way off topic, so I'm going to wrap this up.     Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: Re: Left, Right, etc. From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:12:47 -0500   on 2/15/04 4:35 PM, F. Richard Burt at effarbee@verizon.net wrote:   Hello, Alan, et al: Do you think that, ...just maybe, we are becoming confused with labels? I do not like labels. ... I am delighted with the list you provide (Dichotomist, Trichotomist, Supralapsarian, Infralapsarian, Sublapsarian, Theonomist, = Premillennialist, Pre-Tribulationalist, Mid-Week Parturist [that one's my favorite--I wonder what they get up to on Wednesday nights]} and would love definitions to = some of the more obscure ones, but I won't ask you for that as it would get off topic. I'll do a little research in American religious history to track down some of the more bizarre. I guess I'd have to agree that labeling is not nice, but on the other hand I also believe it is good to do political analysis. Else we risk getting fooled by persons more politically savvy = and manipulative than we are. We need to be wise as serpents, in other words. I really think there is a politics behind dumbing down church music, = though I grant this list is not the right place to pursue it. I would venture = that there's a theology behind it too, and it's a theology corrupted by = political accommodation, dating back, as Hauerwas, Yoder, Wink and others point out, to when Christianity sold its soul to become a state church under the Emperor Constantine. It's the substitution of personal salvation for the kingdom on God on earth that Jesus preached. Wish there was a list serve where such discussion was appropriate (i..e, combining church music with theology).     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Re: a comment, and a suggestion From: "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:11:55 -0800   I'm sure there is a recipe for it in one of the Korean cookbooks I brought home with me - I can look for it if you are really interested.   As to how to use it - I use it in all sorts of things, besides as a side dish. I saute it up with butter or margerine (this cuts the heat from burning to just spicy, and if your kimchi is getting a little sour, can = cut the sour too), and then use it as a base for soup along with onions and garlic and carrots and doenjang paste (that's soy bean paste, for those who've never been to Korea - sort of like Japanese miso, except more chunky)... and a bunch of other things too, but this is my favourite - and one way I can get my dad to eat kimchi, as he has a pathological dislike = for anything 'piment' - that is, that has hot pepper in it...   Anyway, kimchi is wonderful, and I'd encourage anyone who is the least bit adventurous to try it. You can buy it in Asian shops - if you can find a little shop run by a Korean, you will find the best kind: the homemade variety. Just be aware that usually for us westerners, it can be an = acquired taste - so start off slowly. And if you can get some of the different = kinds, experiment to see which you like best - we usually get the cabbage/radish variety here, but there's radish cubes, whole baby radish, seaweed, and a lot more out there!   Melisma (going back into hiding here under her Rock before her short reply turns into an epistle :)       ----- Original Message ----- From: RVScara@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 1:58 PM Subject: Re: a comment, and a suggestion     MELISMA............   did you bring a Kimchi recipe back you can share with all; I have = misplaced mine. Acquired an appreciation for it in my 2 years in Korea. Not something to eat, tho, for at least 2 days before close contact with the uninitiated. (This IS on topic: Kimchi WILL keep your "pipes" clean!)   Bob Scara St Paul RC Burlington, NJ    
(back) Subject: RE: hyfrydol From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:15:14 -0000   That pronunciation is not correct. An "f" in Welsh is pronounced as a V. = So it should be HUV - ruh - doll!       Will Light Coventry UK Born in Monmouthshire, which wasn't welsh at the time but is now!   The accompanying story is that a Welchman spoke to my acquaintance, and said, "You like the tune, do you? Then, you might as well learn to pronounce its name properly. It's called "HUFF'-ruh-doll."      
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:48:48 -0500   on 2/15/04 4:50 PM, F. Richard Burt at effarbee@verizon.net wrote:     > Supposedly, ...it was rumored among dealers of competitive brands > that > Allen introduced a two-manual, two-channel, self-contained organ > with > external options (at extra cost) that had a dealer-cost of less > than $5,000. > This is unsubstantiated, so don't proclaim this as newly > discovered truth. > <grins> > > If a dealer was in competition with another brand for an organ > that might > be considered to be deeply discounted, this small Protoge Allen > was > supposedly going to be their counter-move.     Does the Protege lack the Renaissance sound? Does it merely sound like pre-Renaissance Allens? Or somewhere in between?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:48:40 -0800 (PST)   Im proud that there are such noble churches in Charlotte!     RMB10@aol.com wrote: If you really want to see a non-Baptist Baptist church, visit Myers Park = Baptist Church in Charlotte--from a choir that wears cassocks and sits in = a divided chancel, to processions with banners, to choral music that would = put most high Episcopal churches to shame, and a liturgy that follows the = church year, you would never know that it was a Baptist service. The = church was originally affiliated dually with the Southern Baptist = Convention and the American Baptist Churches, now it's just ABC. The = church is a stunning building in authentic Williamsburg Colonial style, = with all the woodwork and bricks coming from Williamsburg, VA, and the = pews being built as box pews with doors. The organ is a 3 man. = Aeolian-Skinner built in 1948 (I think) that was rebuilt a few years ago = with tonal work done by Stuart Goodwin. This church even printed their = own hymnal "The Myers Park Baptist Hymnal" because none of the printed = hymnals reflected their unique musical and spiritual outlook. Myers Park Baptist is the sister church to my church, both being American Baptist = churches, so I have played at Myers Park a lot, even doing some interim = work there, while they looked for an Assoc. Organist last year. I still = play for a lot of the funerals and special services there. It's quite a = lot of fun to do the "high liturgy" on a fantastic organ. Check out the = church's website: www.mpbconline.org If I wasn't a member at Friendship, I would be a member there. Well this is way off topic, so I'm going to wrap this up. Monty Bennett     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online  
(back) Subject: RE: hyfrydol From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:50:49 -0800 (PST)   We sang Love Divine to Hyfrydol this weekend at my new job. I wrote a = trumpet tune intro to it and all went well. 3 services. Im finding out my = new church jobs is huge.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online  
(back) Subject: Re: Left, Right, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:55:04 -0500   On 2/15/04 4:35 PM, "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote:   > Do you think that, ...just maybe, we are becoming confused with labels? = I do > not like labels. They are too easily mis-interpreted by others, and one = can > be branded before one knows what happened,   YES, Richard! As it happens, I just wrote a couple paragraphs on that very subject, on another list, only a few minutes ago.   Quote:   Thank you! Especially for putting your finger solidly on a major problem: those LABELS. I recall learning the labels for the three types o= f Episcopalians: High and Crazy, Low and Lazy, Broad and Hazy. I think thos= e have some justification to them--but don't push them TOO hard!   My pet-peeve example in the current (and immediate past) decade is referrin= g to "evangelicals" and "fundamentalists" as "religious 'right'." I'm sure they're "religious," all right; but I can't think of them as "rightist" in their theology; they (as those labels are au courant now) represent the LEF= T (=3Dmore extreme) wing of Reformation Christianity, not the RIGHT wing (which would be conservative Lutherans and Anglicans--"less prone to extreme chang= e from the [pre-Reformation] history. Rebelling against Rome to a small degree, but not to an EXTREME degree--wanting abuses corrected, but not ready to go out and burn down churches and stuff, nor even to separate from the Roman hierarchy!) (Luther certainly did not want THAT! As for the Brits, I don=B9 know.)   End quote.   (The list of labels YOU supply is stupendous--but valid. I'll look at it again.)   But, in reply to your (semi-supra-infra-rhetorical?) question: "Yes, by al= l means."   Alan          
(back) Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:58:16 -0600   Hello, Dale, et al: =20 Since we are checking on the merits of the Allen \ Protoge C-2a,=20 it says on the Allen website that this organ has=20 23 stops, including enough flutes to compound a=20 cornet on the Swell,=20 Renaissance technology,=20 and a lot of other good stuff. =20 The whole organ is only 51-3/8 inches wide, which=20 means this is probably a narrow pedalboard, but=20 OSI and Klann both make "narrow" pedalboards, and=20 we don't complain very much about them. Looking=20 at the picture leads me to believe it is longer=20 front-to-back than the Princess pedalboard of=20 a few years ago. =20 Could it be a decent practice organ? Probably. =20 Would it work in a small church or chapel? Probably. =20 People who buy an organ like this are driven more=20 by price than by sound quality. =20 AND, ...according to the Lou Dobbs feature, it was=20 made in America. =20 Whether it ever lives up to the buyer's expectations=20 is a matter of very subjective speculation, but that=20 decision will probably let you keep your job at a=20 church, for "...no one ever got fired for recommending=20 an Allen." <grins> =20 =20 Now think about that for a while. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..=20 =20   Subject: Re: Lou Dobbs last night     In a message dated 2/13/2004 2:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, = OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com writes:     (a C-2a, to be exact). =20 not AGO i dont think.   dale in florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Killing off organ studies at major schools From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:06:44 -0600   Hello, Seb, Dale, et al: =20 The brilliance and weakness of many university=20 organ programs is at once understood when they=20 graduate students who know not how to play a=20 service. Friend of mine, several years ago,=20 graduated from a very famous, fine music school,=20 from one of the country's most prestigious organ=20 teachers, who bragged that he was not interested=20 in teaching students how to play church. He was=20 only interested in teaching them how to play the=20 organ literature. Good, bad, or indifferent,=20 the graduated student either learned how to play=20 a service (which usually includes planning the=20 whole service), preparing for it, and then=20 rendering the music as if everything is "normal." =20 Some master the transition; some end up in the=20 trash heap of organist who play brilliantly but=20 cannot land a decent paying church job where the=20 liturgy and order-of-worship are expected to be=20 second nature by the time graduation comes. =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 .. ----- Original Message -----=20 Subject: Re: Killing off organ studies at major schools     In a message dated 2/13/2004 9:15:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, = TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     Is it the degredation of the profession that discouraged application = to=20 these programs? Are people afraid to launch careers in organ and = church music=20 because they fear low wages, bad music programs, or ignorant and = vicious clergy?       or perhaps unimaginitive ORGANS ? or lack of real training for what the jobs really are....     dale in flordia reminding everyone i play a toaster and use MIDI in = my Lutheran church  
(back) Subject: Re: Under-winding From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:10:33 EST   Dear Mr. White: What does the organbuilder who built the organ say? What about the organbuilder who is curator of the organ? Was it DESIGNED to have slightly flexible winding, as many organs are? =   There is a real difference between a very subtle fluctuation when a low = pedal note is suddenly introduced on "full organ," and sloppy wind-waggling all = over the place. Absolute full organ with a CCC-GGG fifth held in the pedal is = not necessarily a normal occurrence. The organ is the only instrument that seems to be expected to have unaltered, steady tone, and that seems to be a development of the past = century, post-Industrial Revolution. While Bach is always cited as "testing the = lungs," I think modern organists (not musicologists) tend to misinterpret that. = Musical response in the winding is one thing; I think Bach was looking for serious =   compromise, sag, or total failure. If "wind robbing" interferes with tuning, you have a serious problem, = but your organ curator would already have spoken to you or written a letter = about it. That occurs when even single notes experience pitch sag at the introduction of a second note, et cetera. That is a far cry from anomalous = full organ crashes with quints held in the pedal. Maybe if we knew a bit more about the organ, its action, its size, its =   year of construction, and its tonal resources, the list could suggest some =   questions to ask your organbuilder.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City   ..  
(back) Subject: Under-winding From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:20:00 -0600   Jeff White wrote: > I have a question about wind pressure. I was practicing yesterday and = was > playing something that was all-the-stops-pulled, and had a huge chord = with > the low C and G pedals playing also, and noticed that the tone dropped a > little. I let up on the pedals while holding the chord and instantly = the > sound came back.     In the church I used to belong to, this happened one Sunday and it was so bad that the organ almost died-out. The organist's husband and I looked = at each other and in seconds, we were both in the Basement where we = discovered that someone who obviously did not know better had pushed one of those wheeled chalkboard/room divider units up in front of the blower inlet in the Blower Room to "get it out of the way", but inadvertently caused the blower to to starve for wind on heavy chords.   First place I'd check is for wind inlet obstructions or other unusual maladies before even bothering to place a Service Call.   Anything unusual been done around the organ lately? Has it been added to, thereby making more wind demands than previously?     > I just noticed this for the first time yesterday, and I've been at > this church for almost 3 years.   I would wager that there is some new problem that hasn't been previously a problem, or else you would have most certainly noticed it in the past 3 years, I'm sure!   Good luck!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: Re: Left, Right, etc. From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:28:04 -0500   On 2/15/04 5:12 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > Wish there was a list serve where such discussion was appropriate (i..e, > combining church music with theology). >=20 I=B9ll bet you there are several. Ecunet? Luthernet? I=B9m on one where it=B9= s welcome: OrganChat. It=B9s a bit Lutheran-heavy right now; we need more RCs and Anglicans. Directions on request; I=B9m not pushing memberships. Least of all in competition with PipeChat.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Under-winding From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:42:18 -0500     On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:20:00 -0600 Richard Schneider <arpschneider@starband.net> writes: > Jeff White wrote: > > I have a question about wind pressure. I was practicing yesterday > and was playing something that was all-the-stops-pulled, and had a huge   > chord with the low C and G pedals playing also, and noticed that the tone > dropped an little. I let up on the pedals while holding the chord and > instantly the sound came back.     If this is a new occurence, check the blower sleeve, or blower bag. A small tear can do a lot of damage. You can make on the spot temporary repairs, and let your service man know to be prepared on his next regularly scheduled trip.   Diagnosis by e-mail is a dangerous thing, but I gather you wanted a hint or two before you incurred the expense of a service call.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Anyone know? (X-posted) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:48:04 -0600   Listers,   You'd think after building consoles I'd have this information written down somewhere, but each job seems to have been different and many times, I'm re-building existing consoles with reestablished measurements we're following or replicating.   Is there any "standard" measurement between Toe Studs, both vertically and horizontally? While we're at it: what about thumb piston spacings?   Just wondering if anyone knows off the top of their heads. I don't think the AGO guidelines I have discuss this.   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS