PipeChat Digest #4285 - Wednesday, February 18, 2004
 
RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
RE: chamadarie
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
chamades
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: chamadarie
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
pipe organ industry analysis
  by <dorian@nac.net>
Re: pipe organ industry analysis
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
RE: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Fire Destroys Another Church
  by <Gardum@aol.com>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: hyfrydol
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Pieter Visser
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
 

(back) Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:45:00 -0500   Desiree' :   Do you have any idea what happened to the old organ; especially the = Casavant portion?   I luv hearing horror stories about organs that I DON"T take care of. :-/   AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of T.Desiree' Hines Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 11:14 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi   YAY! An organ from home that I am familiar with. The previous Cassavant/Skinner/Geissler was a real problem shooter. I can share with you some horror stories if you'ld like. I have some friends = that have played for First Jackson. Its a very big room and there is a lot of hymn singing. A lot of praise chorsues too. The organ really is not used = as much as it should be...its a Baptist church. Glen Crosthwaite was organist there from 1990-1999 and a VERY good one at that. Glen has that old fashioned Baptist organist "flava" Like Don = Hustad and Al Travis. Plays and writes some of the most beautiful hymn arrangements. Hes now Minister of Music at a church in GA.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html _____   Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D22055/*http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html>    
(back) Subject: RE: chamadarie From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:48:50 -0600   Dear List,   Let me recommend all of the elements below -- organ, sanctuary, organist, and composer. I'm still marveling at my experience with all of them last October. Go if you can.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lind Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:12 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: chamadarie   I assume the stop you're mentioning, Jim, is in the Berghaus organ at St. Raphael RC Church, 1215 Modaff Road, Naperville, IL. On Sunday, March 14, there will be a concert at 7:00 PM in which I will use this stop in an organ work of mine that I've dedicated to the church and its 2 organists--a fantasy on "O love How Deep" (tune Deo gracias, aka Agincourt Hymn). I hope some Chicago-area folks on this list can be there. The piece should be in the Augsburg Fortress warehouse on March 1 if everything goes according to plan, and copies should be available for sale at the concert.   Robert Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: james nerstheimer <enigma1685@hotmail.com> > > BTW, there is a Berghaus in Naperville with a chamade Regal-something also > found on Spanish organs. Bzzzzzz, Bzzzzzzz!   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:57:01 EST   Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in...   No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy?   Neil by the Bay    
(back) Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:58:54 -0600   I doubt it. St. Margaret's Quimby (in CA) certainly is not.   =20   Peter   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Innkawgneeto@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:57 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi   =20   Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in...   No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy?   Neil by the Bay      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:20:28 EST   Neil:   I've played a four manual Quimby. They are a delight to play, and very Skinneresque. No screeming mixtures here. My experience was on the Sky Rose Chapel, Rose Hills in Whittier, CA. Wonderful organ to play.   Ron    
(back) Subject: chamades From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:39:06 -0600     There's always the Hautbois en chamade (probably not as useful on a larger instrument though)...   http://www.uquebec.ca/%7Euss1010/orgues/france/alpehuez.html   more pics at:   http://www.uquebec.ca/%7Euss1010/orgues/france/alpehuez1.html      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:41:00 -0600   Hello, John:   The organ for FBC Jacksonville is very impressive and should make a very fine sound.   As I studied the info on the website, I could not determine where some of the stops would reside, ...as on which keyboard, ...or are some of the divisions floating?   Curious minds would like to know.     Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: chamadarie From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:10:29 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   There is a charming "story" (folklore or myth?) concerning the old Hill organ in St John's College, Cambridge, which had a sticky out trumpet in the case. (This en chamade has been incorporated into the new Mander organ.)   Traditionally, the various Dons have their own seats in the chancel, and one old Dean had his just beneath the organ case. When the Hill organ was rebuilt and the party horn added, the old Dean was seen to sit in a different seat, opposite rather than beneath the organ case.   This caused a bit of a fuss, as it broke all college convention.   When pressed to explain his strange behaviour, the distressed Dean replied, "I'm not sitting beneath that infernal thing!" (He pointed towards the party horn.)   "Why ever not?" They asked.   "Well....I don't want it dripping on me!" He replied.   -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o   Regarding Anglican Music, I think the unenclosed Tuba is NOT the required item.   This was a more Edwardian idea, for if we go back in time a little, to the days of Victorian church music, the vast majority of big reeds were unenclosed. Furthermore, the early Fr.Willis Tubas were very much brighter than the ones of the next generation, and Wm.Hill always seemed to prefer big Trumpets. As these two builders accounted for the majority of cathedral organs built in the UK during the 19th century, I would suggest that these organs are more representative of Anglican Music.   In the UK, we often refer to "Victorian Baroque"....those rather clear, incisive instruments with fiery English trumpets. The Edwardian period destroyed all that, and with plenty of money around in the churches, most of the original instruments were tonally tamed by Harrison & Harrison. The Tubas became rounder in tone, and many were enclosed....... a great pity IMHO.   I wonder how many people realise the agonies that smoother reed tone caused for organ builders?   Norman & Beard spent a lot of time trying to work out ways in which smooth reeds could be made to blend with flue choruses, and they did not approve of them! (They were, of course, the company who bought out the defunct Hope-Jones interests.) Compare, if you will, the fiery trumpets of a Christie Theatre organ, and the smoother sounds of Compton or Wurlitzer. The Chrisitie reeds are really quite wild and strident, and not very different from the reeds they installed in larger church organs.   No! Enclosed Tubas are like smoking Opium through water............. really for the pseudo-sensualist!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- quilisma@cox.net wrote: > As with most things, I keep pleading for people to > go back to the > LITERATURE. . > > The PROPER big solo reed for an ANGLICAN > service-playing organ is an > ENCLOSED Tuba.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html  
(back) Subject: pipe organ industry analysis From: <dorian@nac.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:44:10 -0500 (EST)   Hello, List members   Would anyone be able/willing to shed light on the following information for the pipe industry:   -Size and growth rate of the industry -Sensitivity to economic cycles -Seasonality (of course, the bulk of organ tuning is generally done prior to Christmas and Easter). -Regulation/certification   The information will be used to write an industry analysis applicable to the pipe organ for the fulfillment of an academic assignment.   Being as small as the pipe organ industry is, I have not been able to find much worthwhile information in any of the more common sources found in the university library- in this case Fairleigh Dickinson University (www.fdu.edu).   Thanks in advance to all those that could shed some light on the requested information.   Jan S. Van Der Stad      
(back) Subject: Re: pipe organ industry analysis From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:34:37 -0500     On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) dorian@nac.net writes: > Hello, List members > > Would anyone be able/willing to shed light on the following > information > for the pipe industry:     The A.I.O. maintains an extensive data base on most everything mentioned is your request.     Jim  
(back) Subject: RE: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:21:22 -0600   Monty and others,   I=92m very interested in knowing about other =91liturgical Baptist=92 = churches out there, particularly in the Southern United States. Tell me more.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RMB10@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:06 PM =20 If you really want to see a non-Baptist Baptist church, visit Myers Park Baptist Church in Charlotte--from a choir that wears cassocks and sits in a divided chancel, to processions with banners, to choral music that would put most high Episcopal churches to shame, and a liturgy that follows the church year, you would never know that it was a Baptist service.=A0 The church was originally affiliated dually with the = Southern Baptist Convention and the American Baptist Churches, now it's just ABC. The church is a stunning building in authentic Williamsburg Colonial style, with all the woodwork and bricks coming from Williamsburg, VA, and the pews being built as box pews with doors.=A0 The organ is a 3 = man. Aeolian-Skinner built in 1948 (I think) that was rebuilt a few years ago with tonal work done by Stuart Goodwin.=A0 This church even printed = their own hymnal "The Myers Park Baptist Hymnal" because none of the printed hymnals reflected their unique musical and spiritual outlook.=A0 Myers Park Baptist is the sister church to my church, both being American Baptist churches, so I have played at Myers Park a lot, even doing some interim work there, while they looked for an Assoc. Organist last = year.=A0 I still play for a lot of the funerals and special services there.=A0 = It's quite a lot of fun to do the "high liturgy" on a fantastic organ.=A0 = Check out the church's website:=A0 www.mpbconline.org        
(back) Subject: Fire Destroys Another Church From: <Gardum@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:34:39 EST   Fire destroyed the First Baptist Church of Hebron, Indiana on Sunday. (Hammond Organ)   http://thetimesonline.com/articles/2004/02/17/news/top_news/942295a186a9131= d86 256e3d0010d06a.txt    
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:06:34 EST   Pullen Memorial Baptist, Raleigh, NC is a "non-Baptist" Baptist Church.    
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:07:17 -0600   ---- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Desiree' : > > Do you have any idea what happened to the old organ; especially the Casavant > portion?   I can answer this question. As well as much new pipework, the Quimby = organ features numerous ranks from First Baptist Church's first organ, E. M. Skinner & Son Op. 435 of 1940, and from the Royal York Hotel Casavant from Toronto, Canada. These instruments had been merged in 1989 by Keates-Geissler. Mechanically, the instrument currently being installed features new electro-pneumatic windchests (except for five Casavant Pedal chests rebuilt with new primary actions, and also the Skinner Pedal 16-8 Bourdon and Echo division pitman chest.) Incidentally, there are 33 new cone-valve reservoirs, and three Spencer blowers and a Laukhuff blower, amounting to a total of 57 h.p.!   QPO's latest newsletter is coming out at the end of this week and is = largely devoted to the Jackson organ, including the specification and numerous = color photographs of the organ and church, which is a 3,000-seat Gothic = building, located directly across the street from the State Capitol Building. For anyone who would like to know more, we would be happy to send a copy of = the newsletter to anyone who requests one by e-mailing us at = qpo1@earthlink.net or by calling 660-747-3066.   John Speller, Quimby Pipe Organs.    
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:10:08 EST   Glenda, Broadway Baptist Church in Fort Worth is a Liturgical Baptist Church. The =   services there are simply beautiful. Also, having a 190 rank Casavant = doesn't hurt either, lol. Park Cities Baptist Church in Dallas is also rather un-baptist, I have attended their services, and frequently catch them on Television. Park = Cities services are really more like that of a typical Methodist Church, but I = wouldn't really call their services highly Liturgical either. I don't believe = either of these churches to be associated with the Southern Baptist Convention, but = I could be wrong about Park Cities.   Josh White FUMC, Graham Texas    
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:19:27 -0500   On 2/17/04 8:06 PM, "Tspiggle@aol.com" <Tspiggle@aol.com> wrote:   > Pullen Memorial Baptist, Raleigh, NC is a "non-Baptist" Baptist Church.   And her URL is ? . . . . .   Alan (genuinely interested)    
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:28:23 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in... > > No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy?   The old 5/237 by Keates-Geissler had more than 100 ranks of mixtures; the present instrument does not have anything like that. It is certainly = loud, especially in the bass, but bearing in mind that the building is extremely large, not overly reverberent and that the organ is in chambers, it really needs to be.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:39:35 EST   As you all have answered my query about the "screaming" (and that it won't =   be), I seem to feel the need for a pilgrimage soon to Jackson.   Sounds like it will be a delightful instrument.   Neil by the Bay.    
(back) Subject: Re: hyfrydol From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:13:56 -0500   Now let's make sure we have it correctly: it's HOV-er-craft NOT HIGH-dro-foil -- Right? (8-P   Amy wrote: >Dear Mr.Burt, thank you and all the others who sent me information on the >hymn. I am especailly glad to know how to pronounce it! Amy      
(back) Subject: Pieter Visser From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:46:59 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear Pieter & List friends,   News like these always are a schock for the Organ World. I think however that this impasse will open new perspectives to Pieter (or whoever has to face such a situation). I know that from own experience. The slowdown in = my country, therefore my business, had its advantages: I had to come out of = the organ loft and look around. And suddently I could do things for which I always had been too busy. I made a lot of new friends- in my country and abroad; both organ & non organ related people. I engaged in a non organ related job -choir conducting- which broadened my horizon as musician; an= d remodelled my Town House, which taught me new skills. But I never forgot about my background in these years.   When the choir job wasn't productive anymore I decided "to go back where = I came from": workshop and organ loft- but with entirely new perspectives i= n mind. Since circumstances didn't improve, I decided to improve. During th= e 60 day long general strike one year ago I had time for a long coveted project: to recopilate historical data and write an organ history of my country. For first time in my lifetime I am able to travel, to attend a Convention= .. I have more leisure time to read, to study & learn, to enjoy music... and t= o write my (in)famous AGEPs <LOL>   I found help at places and from people I never had expected. I have plans now which at long range will change my life to better as ever and help me= to achieve goals I never would have even dared to set if the circumstances a= nd way of life from 20 years ago would have remained the same.   I am sure that Pieter Visser will have similar experiences in the next ti= me. Wish you the best, Pieter, and that you come back soon. Never mind the circumstances, stay in touch with the organ... stay in touch with us.   Andres PS- Where on earth an organ has to stand 140=BAF? - Just curious.