PipeChat Digest #4286 - Wednesday, February 18, 2004
 
Re: Fire Destroys Another Church
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" --OT
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Spring Bursts Today
  by "Linda Kay Strouf" <strouf@hope.edu>
RE: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: chamadarie
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Stoplist i would plan for my church, and other things related to it
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: 2nd Opens, and 2nd and 3rd Celestes vs. Chamades
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Spring Bursts Today
  by <reedstop@charter.net>
Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com>
Charaderie
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
St. Margaret's, Palm Desert
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Fire Destroys Another Church From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:12:59 +0100   Quoting Gardum@aol.com:   > Fire destroyed the First Baptist Church of Hebron, Indiana on Sunday. > (Hammond Organ)   Perhaps it wasn't sufficiently "Baptist"?   Peter.  
(back) Subject: Re: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" --OT From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:15:46 EST   >Monty and others, > >I=E2=80=99m very interested in knowing about other =E2=80=98liturgical Bapt= ist=E2=80=99 churches >out there, particularly in the Southern United States. Tell me more. > >Glenda Sutton   In the South, it's really a dichotomy to be a "liturgical Baptist" church,=20 but there are a number of them out there. The way it was explained to me, i= s=20 that there are two schools of "Baptistness" in the South. There are=20 "Campmeeting" or "Revival" Baptists, which is what most of the Baptists are=20= and there are=20 "Charleston" Baptists, which followed the lead of their northern brethren,=20 doing things in a much more formal way. The "Liturgical" churches fall into= the=20 "Charleston" Baptist camp. Now, there is a wide variety of these=20 Charlestonian-type Baptists, some being quite high-church liturgical and som= e being more=20 middle of the road, mimicking a good solid Presbyterian church. The=20 liturgical Baptists generally tend to be more middle of the road to liberal=20= in their=20 theological strains, often never having been Southern Baptists or having pul= led=20 out of the SBC for some of the abuses of power that they saw, membership is=20= in=20 either the ABC-USA, Cooperative Baptist Fellowship or the Alliance of=20 Baptists or a combination thereof. They usually have had a "free pulpit", w= hich=20 historically was a Baptist freedom, being able to preach one's conscience, w= hich=20 sometimes went against the government. Music in these churches is usually t= op=20 notch and is often led by a fine pipe organ. (or a decent digital.) =20 Oftentimes the ministers are academes of note and are somehow affliated with= a=20 seminary that was formerly Southern Baptist, like Wake Forest or Furman, or=20= might=20 still be SBC, but marginally tied. Sand Lawn might know more of these churc= hes,=20 but a few that come to mind: Myers Park Baptist, Charlotte; Broadway Baptis= t,=20 Ft. Worth; First Baptist, Greenville, SC; Ridge Road Baptist, Raleigh, NC;=20 there are several in Louisville, KY that names escape me right now; First=20 Baptist, Gainesville, FL I hear is somewhat so; Park Road Baptist, Charlotte= , NC; =20 Oakhurst Baptist, Decatur, GA; obviously, this is just a short list, but the= re=20 are quite a few out there. You've got to do some hunting around, but it's=20 really kind of fun when you discover what's out there.   Monty Bennett    
(back) Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:39:13 -0600   Not to mention a delightful city.   =20   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Innkawgneeto@cs.com Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:40 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi   =20   As you all have answered my query about the "screaming" (and that it won't be), I seem to feel the need for a pilgrimage soon to Jackson.   Sounds like it will be a delightful instrument.   Neil by the Bay.      
(back) Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:26:22 -0800 (PST)   The only thing I have about my home town of Jackson, MS is that it is = still very racist in some parts, which is why I left. Theere are entire = cities that are stil this way. Not to mention, I have had male friends get = fired in Jackson because of choosing same-sex partners. Actually, my wonderful friend, who i consider to be the father I never = had, the late James Dale Holloway (my mentor at PLU) told me that getting = away would probably be best, since i was a black woman organist. i recall = telling him about a church, which will remain nameless, outside Jackson. = In the summer of 2000, a white family too their black friends to church. = When they got there, the chruch refused to allow them inside saying "they = don't worship like we do" So Jim told me, "Its only a matter of time = before you apply for a job as an organist and they are 'not ready for = you'" Needless to say, job opportunities flooded my way when I left. But, mama and the family are still there.         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:28:12 -0800 (PST)   John Speller told you everything I would have said. The Skinner was a = jewel, per my mentors back in Jackson.   "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:---- Original Message = ----- From: "Andrew Mead" To: "PipeChat"   Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Desiree' : > > Do you have any idea what happened to the old organ; especially the Casavant > portion?   I can answer this question. As well as much new pipework, the Quimby organ features numerous ranks from First Baptist Church's first organ, E. M. Skinner & Son Op. 435 of 1940, and from the Royal York Hotel Casavant from Toronto, Canada. These instruments had been merged in 1989 by Keates-Geissler. Mechanically, the instrument currently being installed features new electro-pneumatic windchests (except for five Casavant Pedal chests rebuilt with new primary actions, and also the Skinner Pedal 16-8 Bourdon and Echo division pitman chest.) Incidentally, there are 33 new cone-valve reservoirs, and three Spencer blowers and a Laukhuff blower, amounting to a total of 57 h.p.!   QPO's latest newsletter is coming out at the end of this week and is = largely devoted to the Jackson organ, including the specification and numerous = color photographs of the organ and church, which is a 3,000-seat Gothic = building, located directly across the street from the State Capitol Building. For anyone who would like to know more, we would be happy to send a copy of = the newsletter to anyone who requests one by e-mailing us at = qpo1@earthlink.net or by calling 660-747-3066.   John Speller, Quimby Pipe Organs.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:29:12 -0800 (PST)   John, did you all bring it out of the chambers?       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Spring Bursts Today From: "Linda Kay Strouf" <strouf@hope.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:30:33 -0500   Did the person looking for the Martin Shaw arrangement of "Spring Bursts Today" get ahold of a copy of it? I was interested in finding the piece = after hearing it described, so I went on a hunt and found it in our college = library. So I now have a copy in front of me! It is in the book "Contemporary Art =   Songs: 28 Songs by American and British Composers" published by G. = Schirmer. The book is copyright 1970, so I don't know if it is still in print. The title of the song is actually "Easter Carol." Linda Strouf Minister of Music, Third Reformed Church, Holland, MI Assistant Professor of Music, Hope College    
(back) Subject: RE: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:25:31 -0600   First Baptist in Oklahoma City is rather un-Baptist. Excellent music, = fine preaching, follows the lectionary, racially diverse congregation, = inner city location.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Glenda Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:21 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist"   Monty and others,   I'm very interested in knowing about other 'liturgical Baptist' churches out there, particularly in the Southern United States. Tell me more.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RMB10@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:06 PM =20 If you really want to see a non-Baptist Baptist church, visit Myers Park Baptist Church in Charlotte--from a choir that wears cassocks and sits in a divided chancel, to processions with banners, to choral music that would put most high Episcopal churches to shame, and a liturgy that follows the church year, you would never know that it was a Baptist service.=A0 The church was originally affiliated dually with the = Southern Baptist Convention and the American Baptist Churches, now it's just ABC. The church is a stunning building in authentic Williamsburg Colonial style, with all the woodwork and bricks coming from Williamsburg, VA, and the pews being built as box pews with doors.=A0 The organ is a 3 = man. Aeolian-Skinner built in 1948 (I think) that was rebuilt a few years ago with tonal work done by Stuart Goodwin.=A0 This church even printed = their own hymnal "The Myers Park Baptist Hymnal" because none of the printed hymnals reflected their unique musical and spiritual outlook.=A0 Myers Park Baptist is the sister church to my church, both being American Baptist churches, so I have played at Myers Park a lot, even doing some interim work there, while they looked for an Assoc. Organist last = year.=A0 I still play for a lot of the funerals and special services there.=A0 = It's quite a lot of fun to do the "high liturgy" on a fantastic organ.=A0 = Check out the church's website:=A0 www.mpbconline.org       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: chamadarie From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:32:06 -0800 (PST)   Well, Juan Echevaria was a smart man in the 1600's when he fashioned the = Chamades! In my opinion, Spasnish voicing is best for chamades, since thats where = they began     james nerstheimer <enigma1685@hotmail.com> wrote: I'm with Desiree=97I likes the chamades too! I'm with the school of = thought that it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. There is a recent instrument in Glenview=97a modest two-manual in a = building less than half the height of ours that sports a big TOOOOBA on 11" wind. Here's the kicker: it's mounted HORIZONTAL because it doesn't fit any = other way. I kept thinking to myself that a nice chamade Tumpet on 3" would be far more useful=97it would actually blend with that very mellow English = chorus sound. Remember, Spanish Trompetas were on LOW windpressure like the rest of the organ because Barker levers hadn't yet been invented! What you're going for in these sort of reeds is the buzz and clatter of the Battle for =   the 6th or the 1st, or whatever Tone is being fought over. You need the right tool for the job! I'm convinced a good effect could be had in ANY acoustical setting. If you need a "rounder" sound, add a Principal or Flute.   BTW, there is a Berghaus in Naperville with a chamade Regal=97something = also found on Spanish organs. Bzzzzzz, Bzzzzzzz!   Your thoughts please!   jim   st. paul's, dekalb   O):^)   _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: Stoplist i would plan for my church, and other things related to it From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:38:58 -0800 (PST)   Oh Greg hush lol. I have to have a Vox! The principal bass would of course be of wood to add fundamental Think...American Classic. Say it with me Greg "American....Classic" lol While I do love my french music, I must do something that will be useful = in concert AND church. And Im going to have a chamade my hymn intros call = for them The manuals willbe in French style as well. It just makes since. As far as trackers,..I live trackers alot. I like EP organs too. There is = no space for a tracker. And some builders are not comfortable with = building detached consoles with strength to support choir chairs between = keydesk and pipes. Remember...many of us are one-person bands...play = direct...direct play. Noack, Pasi, and Pieter Visser are the only ones = that I know of that do detached keydesks. I know there are others, but I = have not seen any personally.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: 2nd Opens, and 2nd and 3rd Celestes vs. Chamades From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:42:13 -0800 (PST)   Monty siad... "There is a United Methodist church in the town where I grew up that = rebuilt their organ and added a chorus trumpet on the Great manual. It = was placed in "chamade" placement more for visual excitement, but also = because there wasn't much room for it. It cuts through a little bit more = than a standard chorus reed, but it's definitely not the standard = "chamade". They didn't use polished brass or any kind of special finish = on the pipes--standard pipe metal. I always wished that the rank was a = little bit more powerful, because the expectation is that the rank = "should" do something since it's there, but when it's heard, it's "just" a = trumpet. " This is what I would do at my church, just a tiny bit higher in wind. we = wont have 20" wp       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:46:22 -0800 (PST)   Thats why First Jackson got QPO for their homage to Skinner. I would not = mind them building me an organ at my church. Wishful thinking.     RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: Neil: I've played a four manual Quimby. They are a delight to play, and very Skinneresque. No screeming mixtures here. My experience was on the Sky Rose Chapel, Rose Hills in Whittier, CA. Wonderful organ to play. Ron     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Baptist Churches that aren't "Baptist" From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:53:05 -0600   Good Morning, Monty: =20 Monty, you raise an interesting proposition. For=20 as long as I can remember, we were taught by our=20 Baptist pastors that we were all of one accord,=20 being of "like mind and order," regardless of how=20 we structured the worship services. =20 When I was a member of First Baptist Church in=20 New Orleans in the 1950-1951 era, our pastor=20 appeared in the pulpit on the first sunday of the=20 month dressed in very formal attire, black cut-away=20 coat with tails and striped pants for nine months=20 and all white in the summer. We had a processional,=20 grand morning hymn, choral "Gloria" and "Doxology"=20 with one or two more grand hymns. Yet, when the=20 pastor stood to preach, you couldn't find a better=20 camp-meeting style sermon better given than that. =20 We are a varied-style denomination, ...and it was=20 not a problem until the last 15 or 20 years. Some=20 of our people decided among themselves that "real"=20 Baptist had to have a certain style, or they would=20 not be included. They pressed their point until=20 it divides us today, ...with each group/style=20 questioning the other's validity and probability=20 of eternal salvation. =20 The LABELS have been attached, and the people=20 that drove the wedges have to answer for it=20 in their eternal "reward." The Bible is quite=20 plain about misleading folks. "Better it would=20 be for a millstone to be hanged around the neck=20 and drowned for one who would lead the little=20 ones astray." =20 In the middle of this style mess is music, of all=20 varieties. Our children are not learning to sing=20 the hymns. If we continue as we are, "Holy, Holy,=20 Holy" will be strange sounding in another 10 years. =20 We may have already passed the point of no-return. =20 To survive, each of us may have to choose a Baptist=20 style and move to it, taking with us fragments of=20 spiritual-family relationships that endured steadfastly=20 since we settled the Southland. =20 The "bride of Christ" is not yet ready to be presented.   F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Spring Bursts Today From: <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:48:05 +0000   Linda,   It was I who requested it. I think someone eluded to what the starting = vocal notes were, and I don't think it was the right version. However, if = you'd be willing to fax me just the first page of the music, I'd be able = to tell for sure. The number is 314-544-8292, attn: Jeff White.   Thanks! Jeff     > From: Linda Kay Strouf <strouf@hope.edu> > Date: 2004/02/18 Wed PM 03:30:33 GMT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Spring Bursts Today > > Did the person looking for the Martin Shaw arrangement of "Spring Bursts =   > Today" get ahold of a copy of it? I was interested in finding the piece = after > hearing it described, so I went on a hunt and found it in our college = library. > So I now have a copy in front of me! It is in the book "Contemporary = Art > Songs: 28 Songs by American and British Composers" published by G. = Schirmer. > The book is copyright 1970, so I don't know if it is still in print. = The > title of the song is actually "Easter Carol." > Linda Strouf > Minister of Music, Third Reformed Church, Holland, MI > Assistant Professor of Music, Hope College > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Subject: RE: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "Charlie Lester" <crlester@137.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:23:13 -0800   =3D=3D->>   Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in...   No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy?   <<-=3D=3D       =3D->   I doubt it. St. Margaret's Quimby (in CA) certainly is not.   <-=3D       I'll say! That's a FABULOUS instrument, very well done in a room that's not the most favorable, acoustically. The organ at 71 ranks certainly makes a bold statement, but it's neither screechy nor overbearing. Its large-scale, solid, "noble" Diapasons sound - and feel - very substantial and warm. It's a very, very fine instrument. I'd call its sound "dark chocolate" if that makes any sense.   You can see the specs, and some tiny photos, at http://www.quimbypipeorgans.com/margaret.htm   ~ C    
(back) Subject: Charaderie From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:44:43 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Mmmmmm!   I think a few lessons in acoustics would not come amiss here.   My recollection is that Spanish Churches and Cathedrals are rather large, rather reverberant and rather voluminous with high ceilings.   You put a Spanish Trumpet in a poor acoustic at your peril!   This is exactly what John Speller and myself were rabbiting on about......they sound horrible!   Look...if you want novelty, how about an en chamade rank of proper party horns, where the paper flies out and keeps everyone amused?   After all, THEY were designed for living rooms and meeting halls, and the tonal quality is just about right!   Trompetta en Pantominas anyone?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well, Juan Echevaria was a smart man in the 1600's > when he fashioned the Chamades! > In my opinion, Spasnish voicing is best for > chamades, since thats where they began > >       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools  
(back) Subject: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:54:50 -0800   I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind the Choir organ specs ... on paper, the organ looks like a very large 2-manual instrument (Swell and Great), with various "goodies" distributed over the other two manuals, but lacking a proper secondary chorus in the Choir.   I'm sure it works for service-playing; I wonder how it works for organ literature.   This isn't the first such spec I've seen ... hasn't Rieger-Kloss done several organs where the disposition is:   [Resonance] Swell Great Solo   I can see the Resonance division as a relatively inexpensive way to get a SOLO division ... the EXPENSIVE end of all those large-scale ranks has already been built for the Pedal ... but I question the need for a Resonance AND a Solo division at the expense of a Choir/Positive division. If the Swell mixture(s) are pitched correctly to anchor and reinforce the trebles of the reed chorus, then they're not going to be voiced, pitched and scaled properly for use as a secondary division in Bach, etc. ... yes/no?   Cheers,   Bud   Charlie Lester wrote:   > =3D=3D->> > > Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in... > > No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy? > > <<-=3D=3D > > > > =3D-> > > I doubt it. St. Margaret's Quimby (in CA) certainly is not. > > <-=3D > > > > I'll say! That's a FABULOUS instrument, very well done in a room that's > not the most favorable, acoustically. The organ at 71 ranks certainly > makes a bold statement, but it's neither screechy nor overbearing. Its > large-scale, solid, "noble" Diapasons sound - and feel - very > substantial and warm. It's a very, very fine instrument. I'd call its > sound "dark chocolate" if that makes any sense. > > You can see the specs, and some tiny photos, at > http://www.quimbypipeorgans.com/margaret.htm > > ~ > C > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >