PipeChat Digest #4287 - Thursday, February 19, 2004
 
Re: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert
  by "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Charaderie
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Charaderie
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Charaderie
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Wanted: Used small, Kimber-Allen DE Magnets
  by "Douglas Roger Dexheimer" <whistles73@earthlink.net>
organ progress
  by "black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Charaderie
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
detached "tracker" keydesks
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: detached "tracker" keydesks
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert From: "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:19:05 -0500   Let me hazard an uneducated guess before somebody who knows what they're talking about comes along and stifles my creativity.   It looks like the Great has a 16' chorus on B and an 8' chorus on A. You = can couple these separately to the two unchorused manuals. So you can move = the 16' chorus -- and the reeds if you like -- to the Choir, and you can move the = 8' chorus -- and the reeds if you lilke -- to the fourth manual.   Still, it seems like an odd arrangement. It doesn't seem comfortable, for = one thing, and it leaves the Great manual with little to do.   Dick   ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:54:50 -0800 >From: quilisma@cox.net >Subject: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind the Choir organ specs ... >on paper, the organ looks like a very large 2-manual instrument (Swell >and Great), with various "goodies" distributed over the other two >manuals, but lacking a proper secondary chorus in the Choir. > >I'm sure it works for service-playing; I wonder how it works for organ >literature. > >This isn't the first such spec I've seen ... hasn't Rieger-Kloss done >several organs where the disposition is: > >[Resonance] >Swell >Great >Solo > >I can see the Resonance division as a relatively inexpensive way to get >a SOLO division ... the EXPENSIVE end of all those large-scale ranks has >already been built for the Pedal ... but I question the need for a >Resonance AND a Solo division at the expense of a Choir/Positive >division. If the Swell mixture(s) are pitched correctly to anchor and >reinforce the trebles of the reed chorus, then they're not going to be >voiced, pitched and scaled properly for use as a secondary division in >Bach, etc. ... yes/no? > >Cheers, > >Bud > >Charlie Lester wrote: > >> =3D=3D->> >> >> Ok, the Quimby organ that's going in... >> >> No offense to ANYONE, but won't that, as described, be a bit screamy? >> >> <<-=3D=3D >> >> >> >> =3D-> >> >> I doubt it. St. Margaret's Quimby (in CA) certainly is not. >> >> <-=3D >> >> >> >> I'll say! That's a FABULOUS instrument, very well done in a room that's =   >> not the most favorable, acoustically. The organ at 71 ranks certainly >> makes a bold statement, but it's neither screechy nor overbearing. Its >> large-scale, solid, "noble" Diapasons sound - and feel - very >> substantial and warm. It's a very, very fine instrument. I'd call its >> sound "dark chocolate" if that makes any sense. >> >> You can see the specs, and some tiny photos, at >> http://www.quimbypipeorgans.com/margaret.htm >> >> ~ >> C >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:44:41 EST   Dear Pipechatters and Friends of St. John's, Bowdoin St.,   On Sunday, 2/22, at 10:30AM EST, the Church of St. John the Evangelist, Bowdoin St., Boston will celebrate High Solemn Mass in thanksgiving for = the completion of recent renovation projects which include a new heating = system and the first painting of the nave and chancel since 1952. The Cram reredos has = also been cleaned (but not yet completely resored). Those in the Boston area = who are interested are invited to attend.   The Schola Cantorum will present plainchant psalmody and two anthems--"O = How Amiable" by RVW and Titcomb's "My House Shall Be Called of All Nations" = (from the "Eight Motets"); the Titcomb sung from copies of the original = manuscript. Organ voluntaries include the Buxtehude C major "Prelude, Fugue and = Ciaccone" and a late Titcomb work, "Sortie", played from the original manuscript.   Bill Harris, Church of St. John the Evangelist (Episcopal) Boston            
(back) Subject: Re: Charaderie From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:17:13 -0800 (PST)   Yes, I do understand that the Spanish cathedrals are very large. i am ver = aware of acoustics and know that a chamade on awfully high wind in a dead = room is blood out of ears. but who says all chamades have to be on God = awful high wind? if the organ is on 3 inches and the chamade is on 4 = inches...there...the chamade is on higher pressure than the rest of the = organ. My church is not a living room. Its a very long room that seats 700 = people. And at services there are atleast 500 there I do know better than to put a chamade in a dead room. And our ceiling is = a good 35 feet high. Mercy lol No, Im not saying I want an exact copy. Im just saying that the tiny bit = of purist in me likes to keep the stop made in that style..where it = originated. Our room has 3 seconds reverberation and that can be changed by removing = the carpet in the aisles. Mercy yall I know what im talking about. Give others credit.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: Charaderie From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:33:58 -0500   Desir=E9e, what=B9s going on? I get your delightful posts all the time (lately= , since you came on board). But now, suddenly, with THIS post (below), you=B9r= e doing something different. You see, when I get a post (from anybody) I =B3blow it up=B2 so I can read it (bad eyes). (On my Mac, that=B9s Command-Shift-Plus, I think.) But THIS post doesn=B9t allow me to do that. If you=B9re doing something different, I=B9ll encourage you NOT to do that! (O= r maybe somebody has a solution to the problem, which I=B9ll welcome.)   Alan   Oh! I just realized that if I his =B3reply=B2 I can control the size. So don=B9= t worry about it. (As much, anyway!) Thanks.     On 2/18/04 7:17 PM, "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Yes, I do understand that the Spanish cathedrals are very large. i am ver > aware of acoustics and know that a chamade on awfully high wind in a dead= room > is blood out of ears. but who says all chamades have to be on God awful h= igh > wind? if the organ is on 3 inches and the chamade is on 4 inches...there.= ...the > chamade is on higher pressure than the rest of the organ. My church is no= t a > living room. Its a very long room that seats 700 people. And at services = there > are atleast 500 there > =20 > I do know better than to put a chamade in a dead room. And our ceiling is= a > good 35 feet high. Mercy lol > =20 > No, Im not saying I want an exact copy. Im just saying that the tiny bit= of > purist in me likes to keep the stop made in that style..where it originat= ed. > =20 > Our room has 3 seconds reverberation and that can be changed by removing = the > carpet in the aisles. > Mercy yall I know what im talking about. Give others credit. >=20      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:38:08 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Hello, John: > > The organ for FBC Jackson is very impressive and should > make a very fine sound. > > As I studied the info on the website, I could not determine where > some of the stops would reside, ...as on which keyboard, ...or > are some of the divisions floating? > > Curious minds would like to know.   From lowest to highest the five manuals are:-   I. Choir & Continuo Organs.   II. Great Organ.   III. Swell Organ.   IV. Orchestral and Bell Organs. (The Bell Organ is basically an interface with the church's Schulmerich Carillon -- hence the "Sch." on the = drawknobs. There is, however, also a restored Skinner Harp/Celesta on the Orchestral division and a 32-note Chimes, playable from either Manual I or Manual V.)   V. Antiphonal and Echo Organs.   The Fanfare division is floating and can be played from any manual.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:47:06 -0500   On 2/18/04 6:44 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > On Sunday, 2/22, at 10:30AM EST, the Church of St. John the Evangelist, > Bowdoin St., Boston will celebrate High Solemn Mass in thanksgiving for t= he > completion of recent renovation projects which include a new heating syst= em > and the first painting of the nave and chancel since 1952. The Cram rered= os > has also been cleaned (but not yet completely resored). Those in the Bost= on > area who are interested are invited to attend. >=20 This is quite off your topic, which certainly deserves its OWN genuine attention, but I=B9m interested in a semi-Boston event. I hear that an auxiliary bishop of the Archdiocese of Boston (Richard Malone) will become (ordinary) Bishop of Portland (Maine). He=B9s a cousin of a dear friend, so it=B9s interesting to me. Should you have any news about that, I=B9d be very interested in that TOO.   Sorry for the diversion.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Charaderie From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:04:11 -0800 (PST)   oh Alan lol I should have said that I was laughing when I was typing this. = No...really! lol Its just that i need to be quasi-un-fun for a moment...now back to normal = my dear. I think I did not explain the size of my church when I have been = talking about a possible new instrument, which would include a horizontal = reed. So, some have assumed ( I think) that I am un aware that chamades in = dead acoustics are bad, and a few other things. Rest well hunny! Here...a have some cake   Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: Desir=E9e, what=92s going on? I get your delightful posts all the time = (lately, since you came on board). But now, suddenly, with THIS post = (below), you=92re doing something different. You see, when I get a post = (from anybody) I =93blow it up=94 so I can read it (bad eyes). (On my = Mac, that=92s Command-Shift-Plus, I think.) But THIS post doesn=92t allow = me to do that. If you=92re doing something different, I=92ll encourage = you NOT to do that! (Or maybe somebody has a solution to the problem, = which I=92ll welcome.)   Alan   Oh! I just realized that if I his =93reply=94 I can control the size. So = don=92t worry about it. (As much, anyway!) Thanks.     On 2/18/04 7:17 PM, "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> wrote:   Yes, I do understand that the Spanish cathedrals are very large. i am ver = aware of acoustics and know that a chamade on awfully high wind in a dead = room is blood out of ears. but who says all chamades have to be on God = awful high wind? if the organ is on 3 inches and the chamade is on 4 = inches...there...the chamade is on higher pressure than the rest of the = organ. My church is not a living room. Its a very long room that seats 700 = people. And at services there are atleast 500 there I do know better than to put a chamade in a dead room. And our ceiling is = a good 35 feet high. Mercy lol No, Im not saying I want an exact copy. Im just saying that the tiny bit = of purist in me likes to keep the stop made in that style..where it = originated. Our room has 3 seconds reverberation and that can be changed by removing = the carpet in the aisles. Mercy yall I know what im talking about. Give others credit.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:11:03 -0800 (PST)   Jack, whos playing the Dedication? Where are there pictures etc?     "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Richard Burt" To: "PipeChat"   Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Hello, John: > > The organ for FBC Jackson is very impressive and should > make a very fine sound. > > As I studied the info on the website, I could not determine where > some of the stops would reside, ...as on which keyboard, ...or > are some of the divisions floating? > > Curious minds would like to know.   From lowest to highest the five manuals are:-   I. Choir & Continuo Organs.   II. Great Organ.   III. Swell Organ.   IV. Orchestral and Bell Organs. (The Bell Organ is basically an interface with the church's Schulmerich Carillon -- hence the "Sch." on the = drawknobs. There is, however, also a restored Skinner Harp/Celesta on the Orchestral division and a 32-note Chimes, playable from either Manual I or Manual V.)   V. Antiphonal and Echo Organs.   The Fanfare division is floating and can be played from any manual.   John Speller     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:18:31 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > John, did you all bring it out of the chambers?   No. For space considerations that simply wasn't an option. There just isn't anywhere else to put the organ. This is one reason why we have felt the need to resort to such high wind pressures and generous pipescales. About 60% of the instrument is playing so far, but judging from this the strategy has worked very well. Everyone who has heard what is playing of the the instrument has used the same word -- "stunning". And the big = reeds like the Tuba Mirabilis on 30" wind are not even in yet <g>   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:23:25 -0800 (PST)   30 inches!?!?!? OMG John lol Heaven help those Mables and Claras in the very back upper part by the = stained glass and antiphonal! They will love it! Baptist women love loud = organs. HAHA. Or is this the tuba in the solo?   Im proud to see that you all have given a great name to an instrument in = my home town.     "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.Desiree' Hines" To: "PipeChat"   Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > John, did you all bring it out of the chambers?   No. For space considerations that simply wasn't an option. There just isn't anywhere else to put the organ. This is one reason why we have felt the need to resort to such high wind pressures and generous pipescales. About 60% of the instrument is playing so far, but judging from this the strategy has worked very well. Everyone who has heard what is playing of the the instrument has used the same word -- "stunning". And the big reeds like the Tuba Mirabilis on 30" wind are not even in yet   John Speller   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:34:41 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@cox.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: St. Margaret's, Palm Desert     > I'd be interested to hear the rationale behind the Choir organ specs ... > on paper, the organ looks like a very large 2-manual instrument (Swell > and Great), with various "goodies" distributed over the other two > manuals, but lacking a proper secondary chorus in the Choir   In this respect it is not typical of our instruments. For the answer to this question you probably need to ask Jonathan Ambrosino, who was the = organ consultant, and was largely responsible for developing the stoplist as it is. However, I would point out that this instrument has an arrangement of transfer couplers by which whole sections of the instrument can be = switched from one manual to another, and this makes it very easy to obtain a secondary chorus on the Choir.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Wanted: Used small, Kimber-Allen DE Magnets From: "Douglas Roger Dexheimer" <whistles73@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:31:47 -0600   We are looking for about 37 small Kimber-Allen electro-mechanical organ magnets. These are the smaller variety of the typical Reisner, Wicks, Justin Matter, etc magnets. A variety of magnet resistances were made, = for different WP's. Please advise where a supply of these can be obtained. Thanks: Bill Stephens/Doug Dexheimer      
(back) Subject: organ progress From: "black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:58:57 -0600   HI list, Good news! More work done on the organ at home. Randy Karstens = of Howell Pipe Organs came on Sat. last and worked for 10 hours. All the = dead notes are now "undead" lol, the entire stopped diapason, oboe and 2' = 15th are a go. The open diapason is speaking at tenor C and up. He also hooked another pedal chest up and gives me 8 more notes on the pedal bourdon. I have a Peterson relay and stop rail; there is a 32' resultant wired in and so now that works with more pedals playing. It is a riot to feel the = floor and furniture vibrate some as a result of that playing - a gentle purr on the pedal. The pipe work is: Estey, Hinners and Schneider. Rich, of Schneider Pipe Organs configured the 15th. It is wonderful, adds support = to the diapason chorus and fits in real well with the stopped diapason, = giving it "sparkle." The swell is on the way. I live in one of the smallest counties in Illinois and when this is all finished, I will have the largest pipe organ in the entire county, = churches included! lol What fun. Gary      
(back) Subject: Re: Charaderie From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:08:01 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   We don't have many Chamade reeds in the UK, but we did have one which was rather good, at Bradford Cathedral. It was voiced on a gnats breath of wind, and didn't stay in tune very well, but when it was in tune, it sounded splendid. For reasons best known to the cathedral authorities, this reed and a whole section of the organ was removed to make way for an exhibition area.   The interesting thing is, the acoustic was decidedly dull and the roof of the church about the same as Desiree describes; but it worked well.   It certainly wasn't a Spanish style reed, but more of a small, fiery little devil with French beak shallots. Even on the very light wind pressure, it could make a jolly sound, and drive the congregation without overwhelming them.   I must confess that, in thinking about UK chamadery, most of them seem to be quite close to home within a 70 mile radius.   Of course, you guys "over there" with all those sticky out reeds, have a lot of catching up to do if you're going to go one better than the SOLID SILVER Trompet Argentia of Ampleforth Abbey here in Yorkshire.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools  
(back) Subject: detached "tracker" keydesks From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:26:24 -0600 (CST)   There are a number of builders who have successfully installed detached mechanical-action consoles/keydesks. And there are those who were not so succesful.   My first job was at a Lutheran church near Chicago that by mere chance ordered the 3rd instrument built by Lawrence Phelps & Associates. He had a wizard for design, who made a detached action of over 10 feet (at an incline into the case), perform wonderfully. The stop action, was another matter. If I had a say, it would have been electric, but it was done as mechanical and was sometimes a bit of a nuisance, especially since the console was close to the gallery rail, leaving little room for a stop-puller to walk around.   On the other hand, I was briefly at a Lutheran church with a Schlicker and detached console that was like driving a truck with no power steering. This was in complete contrast to another Schlicker of around the same vintage that had a detached console and was fine....go figure.   Detached consoles/keydesks can be sucessful, even with large instruments, i.e. at 1st Unitarian in D.C.    
(back) Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:28:55 EST   In a message dated 2/19/2004 1:27:12 AM Central Standard Time, Terrick@webtv.net writes: My first job was at a Lutheran church near Chicago that by mere chance ordered the 3rd instrument built by Lawrence Phelps & Associates. He had a wizard for design, who made a detached action of over 10 feet (at an incline into what church? gfc   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com