PipeChat Digest #4290 - Friday, February 20, 2004
 
Re: Henry and Edsel Ford Auditorium - Detroit...
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Central New England Organ Recital
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Chamaderie
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Charaderie
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: NU Update
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: NU Update
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: detached "tracker" keydesks
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Acoustics
  by "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com>
Re: Acoustics
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Acoustics
  by "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com>
Re: Acoustics
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: detached "tracker" keydesks
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Acoustics
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Acoustics
  by "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com>
Re: detached "tracker" keydesks
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
[PipeChat] Books on registration
  by "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com>
Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca>
Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration
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(back) Subject: Re: Henry and Edsel Ford Auditorium - Detroit... From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:33:39 -0500   The answer may be in the newest edition of Kinzey and Lawn. I have the = first edition, and nothing is said about it's departure there. I think there is also a Kinszey-Lawn presence somewhere on the Internet as well.   Good luck,   Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Anderson" <bda@shaw.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Henry and Edsel Ford Auditorium - Detroit...     Gentle ListFolk:   This morning, Canadian listeners to CBC Two were treated to an airing of = the Saint-Sa=EBns Symphony No. 3 "Organ" recorded in the Henry and Edsel Ford Auditorium in Detroit, MI. The recording was a "Mercury Living Presence" recording made in 1957 using the auditorium's organ, an Aeolian-Skinner, Opus 1324. Marcel Dupr=E9 was the organist.   It is my understanding that the Ford Auditorium has been razed for waterfront redevelopment. The organ was supposedly removed.   Does anyone on this list know the fate of the organ?   In researching the instrument on Google, it was determined to be an interesting instrument incorporating a portable organ of two manuals that could be moved about and played separately from the main console.   Does anyone have any further Internet resources that I couldn't find, or anything else of interest regarding the instrument?   The specification is listed below.   CHEERS! Blair... ------------------------------------------------------------------------   Builder: Aeolian-Skinner Co Year: 1957 Opus: 1324   Case Builder: Aeolian-Skinner Date: Materials: Console type: Detached Stop controls: Draw knob Pedals type: Radiating, concave Action Key: Electro-Pneumatic Stop: Electronic Temperament: Tuning (a'): No. stops: No. ranks: 71 No. pipes:   Specification Great (II)   16' Montre 61 8' Principal 61 8' Bourdon 61 4' Octave 61 2 2/3' Twelfth 61 2' Fifteenth 61 IV Fourniture 244 IV Cymbel 244 16' Bombarde 61 8' Trompette Harmonique 61 4' Clairon Harmonique 61   Swell (III)   16' Rohrgedackt 61 8' Viola Pomposa 61 8' Viola Celeste 61 8' Rohrgedackt 12 4' Prestant 61 4' Flauto Traverso 61 2' Octavin 61 IV Plein Jeu 244 16' Contre Hautbois 61 8' Trompette 61 4' Clairon 61 Tremulant   Choir (I)   8' Spitzviol 61 8' Flute a Cheminee 61 8' Dolcan 61 8' Dolcan Celeste 49 4' Nachthorn 61 2' Blockflote 61 II Sesquialtera 122 8' Rohrschalmei 61 4' Petite Clairon 61 Tremulant   Pedal   16' Contre Basse 32 16' Montre -- GT 16' Bourdon 32 16' Rohrgedackt -- SW 8' Octave 32 8' Bourdon 12 8' Rohrgedackt -- SW 4' Choralbass 12 4' Bourdon 12 V Mixtur 160 32' Contre Bombarde 12 16' Posaune 32 16' Bombarde -- GT 16' Contre Hautbois -- SW 8' Trumpet 12 4' Clairon 12   Hauptwerk (II, portable)   16' Quintade 61 8' Prinzipal 61 8' Holzgedackt 61 4' Praestant 61 2 2/3' Quinte 61 2' Super Oktav 61 IV Mixtur 244 8' Krummhorn -- PO   Positiv (I, portable)   8' Rohrflote 61 8' Spitzflote -- HW 4' Koppelflote 61 2 2/3' Nasat 61 2' Oktav 61 1 3/5' Terz 61 1' Sifflote 61 III Zimbel 183 8' Krummhorn 61   Pedal (portable)   16' Gedacktbass 12 16' Quintade -- HW 8' Spitzprinzipal 32 8' Spitzflote -- HW 8' Holzgedackt -- HW 4' Choralbass 12 4' Holzgedackt -- HW 2' Holzgedackt -- HW 16' Krummhorn 12 8' Krummhorn -- PO 4' Krummhorn -- PO   _________________________________________ Quidquid it est, prudenter agas et respice finem.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Central New England Organ Recital From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:34:26 -0500   St. Joseph Church, 35 Hamilton St. Worcester Organ Recital Sunday Feb. 22 at 3pm Brenda Fraser Caldwell, organist Casavant Opus 1239 3 manual 1928 Freewill offering Reception to follow Info. 508-755-1347   Judy Ollikkala - publicity  
(back) Subject: Re: Chamaderie From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:00:39 -0800 (PST)   The choir is about has already grown from 4 to 10 people in one week with = my being there. The thing is, they want to Vatican II the church...they no = longer want a rear gallery. And they don't want the carpet much anymore = either. Im telling you...Im just blessed to have found a Catholic Church = wthere they want good music and a good environment. The peoole love to = sing as well. And the children that are in Elem. School are even = commenting with things like " I like the way you play!". And both my = priests are very musical. The priest in charge is an organist and did some = time at the National Shrine in DC where the big Moller is. He has also = worked with James O'Donnell. And our Priest Associate is a well trained = windist. They never time my music, the people enter and are quiet when the = organ starts playing. So, Im blessed that they want great music. We will = start the budget and fund raising in september.   YES...Id use a Vox every weekend during prelude one...as there are 2 each = sunday, unless I do a larger Prelude and Fugue or something. As I play the = organ more, I see the need for something more balanced, and we have a lot = of good pipe work, just wrongly placed. For example, the great 2 Octave is = more of a Choir 2 flute or. The swell 2 foot is actually much more full in = sound. I found out that its mostly a Weickhart (Hann Wangerin and...) Myu = final design will probably be somethign of 3 manuals with 40 ranks. Our = current twenty ranks is a small 30 ranks and there is room for more = definately. Its just poorly placed. For example, theres an entire wall = between the swell and great and the great will be brought out of the = chamber. Thats one thing. The great in in a chambe under exp. and can = easily be placed in the front of the room. They want the organ up front = (!) so the choir can process and assist the congregation in hymn singing. More on this later.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: Charaderie From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:03:27 -0800 (PST)   YES! Thats it French Beak Shallots. I remember talking about them in OB = Class at PLU. Those are often very useful in a situation like mine.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: NU Update From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:12:44 -0800 (PST)   YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i sent letters to the President, and all VP's...of development, graduate = learning, provost. you name it! Daniel Barenboim drove an inch nail a foot into the wall with his letter! = Im proud to be in Chicago. He states things that some organists need to = hear lol. Davis is on the wall too! Great news and letters.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: Re: NU Update From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:21:35 -0600   Hi! It is indeed great to hear some of Chicago's and, in fact, the world's most prominent musicians speaking up for NU's organ program and organists/organ music in general.   Interestingly enough, I heard on WGN radio on my way into the city today that Daniel Barenboim will soon be leaving the CSO. I can't rememmber whether it is the end of this season or next.     Blessings, Beau Surratt Minister of Worship and Music United Church of Hyde Park, Chicago      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:58:26 -0600   Most of what was surviving of the Skinner organ, and quite a bit of the Casavant too (which had extremely pretty flutes) has been incorporated = into the new instrument. I'm not sure offhand exactly how much, but I would estimate something approximating to 25% Skinner, 25% Casavant and 50% new.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMB10@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:06 AM Subject: Re: First Baptist Church, Jackson, Mississippi     > Is the organ completely new or was any of it salvaged from the old = organ? > Is any of the Skinner left?      
(back) Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:06 -0500   "... a pair of "fishing lines" ..." As a long-time hobby organ = builder, but newcomer to working on an old tracker, you raised my curiosity to a high degree. I am in process of re-building the 27 trackers to a pedal Bourdon chest which was moved (of necessity), and would be much obliged = for more info on whether you mean real monofilament fishline, and the significance of "a pair".   Thanks so much Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks     > Good Morning, > > Hmmmm...... Detached console tracker organ brings up a > fond memory of hearing and inspecting the Holtkamp organ > at Saint John's United Methodist Church in Lubbock, Texas. > > This is a "tracker" organ in that it uses mechanical keying > action, but the key action is based on a pair of "fishing lines" > from each key to the pallets. As we walked into the "back" > side of the organ, the geometric display of the connections > between the console and the action was beautiful to behold.   > ... SNIP ...   > F. Richard Burt    
(back) Subject: Acoustics From: "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:08:43 -0800   I've seen acoustics discussed and debated on my organ lists and in various classes I took in college, not to mention my organ teachers' comments. So I've heard all the theories about how cloth dampens sounds. But today I = got a chance to observe it first hand in a way that surprised me.   As you may or may not know, I currently live with my parents, in their basement suite. When they moved into this house, the bathroom down here didn't have a shower, so they remodelled it for me. The room is pretty small, but is a backwards L-shaped, with the door at the junction. The = sink and toilet are on the spine of the L, which was the original bathroom. And the new shower is on the bottom line. It's a really nice bathroom, and my mother has fixed it up so it's really pretty, too.   Today Mom decided to wash the three throw rugs that are on the tile floor, as well as one of my bathtowels and my handtowel - which left very little cloth in the bathroom. When I went into the room next and shut the door behind me, I swear, there was an echo in there! I'd never heard one = before, so I was surprised and said something aloud. It echoed too! Like I said, it's not a large bathroom, so how could there be an echo? I have heard = echos in large, non-carpeted churches, but never expected it in my bathroom :)   Anyway, I just thought I'd share...   Melisma (going back into hiding here under her 'acoustically sound' Rock = :)        
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:45:36 -0800   Um, that's why people sing in the shower, sweetie (chuckle)   Bud   Melisma wrote:   > I've seen acoustics discussed and debated on my organ lists and in = various > classes I took in college, not to mention my organ teachers' comments. = So > I've heard all the theories about how cloth dampens sounds. But today I = got > a chance to observe it first hand in a way that surprised me. > > As you may or may not know, I currently live with my parents, in their > basement suite. When they moved into this house, the bathroom down here > didn't have a shower, so they remodelled it for me. The room is pretty > small, but is a backwards L-shaped, with the door at the junction. The = sink > and toilet are on the spine of the L, which was the original bathroom. = And > the new shower is on the bottom line. It's a really nice bathroom, and = my > mother has fixed it up so it's really pretty, too. > > Today Mom decided to wash the three throw rugs that are on the tile = floor, > as well as one of my bathtowels and my handtowel - which left very = little > cloth in the bathroom. When I went into the room next and shut the door > behind me, I swear, there was an echo in there! I'd never heard one = before, > so I was surprised and said something aloud. It echoed too! Like I said, > it's not a large bathroom, so how could there be an echo? I have heard = echos > in large, non-carpeted churches, but never expected it in my bathroom :) > > Anyway, I just thought I'd share... > > Melisma (going back into hiding here under her 'acoustically sound' Rock = :) > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:35:35 -0800     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@cox.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Acoustics     > Um, that's why people sing in the shower, sweetie (chuckle) > > Bud     Bud - sweetie??? :D   I thought singing in the shower was just a clich=E9 - personally, I talk = to myself :D:D   Melisma (giggling to herself here under her Rock)        
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:00:03 -0600   No. Bud is quite right. The tiles, etc., give bathrooms acoustics that positively beg to be sung in. (alas, most of our churches don't.) When I was an undergraduate at Bristol University and lived in Badock, one of the Halls of Residence, my friends and I used to hold impromptu concerts in = the women's toilet, which had the best acoustics in the place. We once did a performance of the whole of Verdi's Requiem there. Fortunately it was the middle of the night and nobody seemed to want to use the room for its intended purpose.   John Speller.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Acoustics     > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <quilisma@cox.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: Acoustics > > > > Um, that's why people sing in the shower, sweetie (chuckle) > > > > Bud > > > Bud - sweetie??? :D > > I thought singing in the shower was just a clich=E9 - personally, I talk = to > myself :D:D > > Melisma (giggling to herself here under her Rock) > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:43:35 EST   Alan, I believe that Bishop Malone is, indeed, going to become the Ordinary in Portland. You might check the website of the Boston Globe (I'm not sure of = the url), I think there was an article a few weeks ago on that subject.   Pax, Bill H.    
(back) Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:47:33 -0600   Hello, Ed: The question needs to be answered by one of the builders who actually uses this method. However, I will risk to explain what I saw. The lines represent a closed loop for every key-to-pallet circuit. As the finger presses down on the key, a corresponding pressure is applied to open the pallet. However, the other side of the loop needs to couple the equal-and-opposite force so no slack develops in the keying loop. The tension seems to remain taut by having at least one pressure spring/tightener in the loop. As I observed the layout of the whole mechanical keying assembly from inside the "back room," very little mass is in motion with this keying system, so it becomes very quick and responsive. Do we have anyone from Holtkamp, AIO, or APOBA who can shed more light on this subject? F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:52:52 -0600   Hello, Melisma:   May I inquire if you heard an echo, ...or did you hear your voice "rolling around" in that space. The bathroom is too small to develop a true echo. You may actually be exepriencing a very desirable "reverberation."   An echo slaps the original sound back to you. Reverberation is logarithmic shattering of the original sound from loud to soft.   Echo is bad; reverberation is good. If you like singing with it, ...as in "singing in the shower," you probably have a good reverberation.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:59:14 -0800   Sorry, didn't realize there was a difference - thanks for the correction. Now that I think about it, it must have been reverberation. Echo is what = you get when you shout in a canyon - the sound is reflected back at you... = This wasn't like that. Instead, the sound was a lot louder than it had been = when the rugs were down, and had a bit of a ring to it. Sounded like when you lift your hands off the manuals after the Bach D- Toccata and Fugue, with that big chord, and the sound keeps going on and on and on and all the = hair on the back of your neck stands up on end at it...   Okay, okay - I've been out of the musical loop too long and my terminology has gone bust :)   Melisma (going hunting for her musical dictionary, here under her Rock)         ----- Original Message ----- From: F. Richard Burt <effarbee@verizon.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Acoustics     > Hello, Melisma: > > May I inquire if you heard an echo, ...or did you hear your > voice "rolling around" in that space. The bathroom is too > small to develop a true echo. You may actually be exepriencing > a very desirable "reverberation." > > An echo slaps the original sound back to you. Reverberation > is logarithmic shattering of the original sound from loud to soft. > > Echo is bad; reverberation is good. If you like singing with > it, ...as in "singing in the shower," you probably have a good > reverberation. > > F. Richard Burt > > > . > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 00:37:06 -0600   "F. Richard Burt" wrote:   > Do we have anyone from Holtkamp, AIO, or APOBA who > can shed more light on this subject?   I seem to recall that the Rosales/Glatter-G=F6tz organ in Claremont, CA h= as such a system.   Anyone on the list familiar with that organ who can confirm or deny what = I recall?   Faithfully,   G.A. --=20 Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:44:08 +0100   Could someone recommend some literature about the art of registration, = for the beginner preferably?   In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but I'm = not sure there is something on the market, yet..   Thanks,   -Joel  
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:48:03 EST   In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:44:57 AM Central Standard Time, jarmengaud@apsydev.com writes: Could someone recommend some literature about the art of registration, for =   the beginner preferably?   In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but I'm not =   sure there is something on the market, yet..   Thanks,   -Joel Tough question...I know the Tom Murray recording of Woolsey Hall has a demonstration of the families of stops. What specifically are you looking = for? gfc             Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:05:27 -0500   > Could someone recommend some literature about the art of > registration, for the beginner preferably? > > In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but > I'm not sure there is something on the market, yet..     http://www.allenorgan.com/store/aoc-031-0065.html   i have not watched this video myself      
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 04:18:30 -0500   > Could someone recommend some literature about the art of > registration, for the beginner preferably? > > In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but > I'm not sure there is something on the market, yet..     you might see something of interest here   http://www.ohscatalog.com/videotapes1.html