PipeChat Digest #4291 - Friday, February 20, 2004
 
Schulze organ update (St.Bart's, Armley UK) VERY LONG
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Out of town
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com>
Re: Acoustics
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: detached "tracker" keydesks
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Bach for Ash Wednesday
  by "Timothy Bussey" <maestrotim@hotmail.com>
Re: Bach for Ash Wednesday
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
OHS Convention Buffalo NY July 13-20
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
RE: [PipeChat] Books on registration
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
 

(back) Subject: Schulze organ update (St.Bart's, Armley UK) VERY LONG From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:03:30 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I have received a new press release from St.Bartholomew's church, Armley, Leeds, the home of the world renowned 4-manual Schulze organ which has been undergoing re-build and restoration by Messrs.Harrison & Harrison of Durham.   For those who may be in the know, there has been considerable controversy surrounding the restoration of this instrument, and understandably so.   Originally conceived as a house organ, speaking into a large Victorian house from a special "organ room," the instrument was commissioned by Mr Kennedy of Meanwood, as a gift for his organist-wife. After some years in the Kennedy household, the organ was removed and installed in Harrogate Parish Church, in a very unfavourable acoustic, where it remained until a dispute led to a showdown of interests. The owners (two elderly sisters, who had loaned the instrument to the church) were told to donate it or remove it!   The ladies, no doubt to the surprise of the church authorities, removed it.   It then found its way into its present home, where the full glory of its tonal majesty could be heard properly for the first time; speaking as it does into a veritable sea of reverberation.   In all this, various organ builders were involved in the movement of the organ; including Brindley & Forster of Sheffield (who had worked with Schulze at Doncaster Parish Church, and who shared workmen with him) and, most notably, the Leeds organ builder James J.Binns, who re-built the organ and installed it at Armley.   In all this, various changes were made to the instrument, and at the time of writing, I am not quite sure whether the organ still retained its original layout when it was installed at Harrogate or Armley. However, in view of the monumental height of St.Bart's, the relatively low roof at Harrogate and the unknown architecture of the original organ-house at Meanwood, it seems likely that the organ layout was changed, and new, or part new building frames constructed at various times.   As befitted the Victorian panache for things new and innovative, J J Binns rebuilt the organ with pneumatic action, whereas the original instrument utilised Barker-lever action.   Of one thing we can be fairly certain; the pipe voicing was left well alone by all who worked on it, and this may well have been prompted by the almost devotional respect in which Schulze's work and voicing was regarded.....certainly at Doncaster, which changed the whole character of English organ-building when it was built.   The down-side to this seems to have been a certain "cough" in the way the Principal (Diapason) pipes spoke; prompted into over-rapid speech by the explosive collapse of pneumatic-motors. The Schulze voicing methods were always open-foot, utilising enormous scales and very low cut-ups. The fact that no-one ever sought to rectify this tonal defect, is evidence that no re-voicing has ever been done, and certainly, no pipe nicking has ever been undertaken since the organ was originally built, to the best of my knowledge.   Although the exact details of the fund-raising and eventual re-build have yet to be expounded, there can be little doubt but that the restoration created a whole series of problems for all concerned. Not least, was the fact that the church is situated in a poor, down-town area, and fund-raising within the immediate parish was always going to be an impossibility. Consequently, the church authorities sought funding for the re-building project, and in so doing, met with particular constraints. Again, I do not know the exact details, but it would seem that "English Heritage" (the principal funding body) require that such projects should remain faithful to the original, and restoration should be just that, so far as possible.   Nice idea! Bad idea!   To have "restored" the instrument to its original state, with Barker-lever action, would have cost a huge amount of money; though this is indeed what the late Ralph Downes recommended. Since then, the arguments have raged as to what a true restoration is.   In the end, a compromise was reached, whereby the organ would be restored to the Binns re-build of the original organ; thus paying tribute to a fine local builder, complying with the requirements of "English Heritage" and, at the same time, re-building the Schulze organ and making it fully playable once again.   However, in drawing up the plans for the rebuilding of the Binns/Schulze organ, it soon became apparent that the building frame was in a poor state of repair, and would require renewal. This afforded a further possibility; the re-siting of some sections of the organ within the chamber. Consequently, the plans included turning both Echo and Choir organs through 90 degrees (both unenclosed), with the larger pipes at the rear of the soundboard rather than at the front, as they had been previously. Raising the level of these two departments would also ensure that the sound did not remain trapped inside the organ, as it had previously. Next, the Swell would be raised even higher to permit greater egress of sound.   The biggest problem facing Messrs.Harrison & Harrison must surely have been the pipe speech; so unsettled by the rapidity of the pneumatic pallet motors. It will be very interesting to see if some method of slowing down the pallet motors has been achieved, or whether (cringe!) the pipes will be re-regulated by slowing the speech slightly. If the latter course has or is to be followed, this would amount to a change in the character of the instrument as left by Schulze, even though no-one can be absolutely certain that regulation has not been undertaken in previous moves and re-builds. However, so unique is this organ, and so important internationally, this is a very important matter for consideration. The St.Bart's organ is one of only two large Schulze instruments in "more or less" recognisably original tonal condition, and as such, an instrument of world renown which, over the years, has influenced organ building styles in the UK and also in America.   Amusingly, it has always been said that Schulze had more disciples than Jesus!   The press release states that a period of "settling down" will be required, and that the job of tuning and "voicing" continues.....a slightly worrying word under the circumstances!   However, I know that everyone deserves to be congratulated on achieving what seemed like an impossible task; the fund-raising process taking decades and now rewarded accordingly.   It says something about the fame of the instrument that, over the weekend commencing 28th May, there are several concerts; each fairly highly priced as follows:-     MAY 28TH   17.45 Mark Venning (Harrison & Harrison) talks about the restoration of the organ.   20.00 Grand opening, with Nicholas Kynaston and Graham Barber (Armley). This will include performances of new works by Francis Jackson, Wolfgang Stockmeier and Philip Wilby.   MAY 29th   11.00 Free coffee concert by Leeds Diocesan Boys Choir (conducted by Ben Saunders), with Dr Joseph Butler (Texas Christian University, USA) at the organ.   16.30 to 18.00 The story of the Armley Schulze at the Industrial Museum, by Michael Collins, plus a viewing of the Schulze exhibition.   19.30 Celebrity recital at St.Bart's, Dame Gillian Weir.   MAY 30TH (WHITSUNDAY)   10.00 Festival Mass, to include the first performance of the St Bart's Mass by Graham Barber, sung by the Leeds University Liturgical Choir.   19.30 Music for organ and orchestra, with Graham Barber, Nicholas Kynaston and Dame Gillian Weir. The Amici Orchestra conducted by Eno Koco. Perfromances will include works by Widor, Bossi and Rheinberger.   As you will note, this is quite an organ festival weekend, and one which all who attend will forever remember.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                                     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools  
(back) Subject: Out of town From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 06:52:00 -0600   I'll be back Monday afternoon/evening, and am not signing off. So keep it down (no drunken brawls - I hate missing those), and no talking about me while I'm gone!   Will know about Cameron Carpenter and Jacoby Symphony Hall first-hand when I get back.   Bruce Cornely, if you're out there, we'll be flying low by Gainesville, but if I see I'm going to have time to stop, I'll call you for lunch. I'll have Rick in tow.   Smooch, smooch.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:11:00 +0100   Thanks for the answers,   I do have the Allen video, but as far as registration is concerned, I = found it rather basic... I am looking for something that go further...   Thanks,   -Joel   ----- Original Message ----- From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration     > > Could someone recommend some literature about the art of > > registration, for the beginner preferably? > > > > In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but > > I'm not sure there is something on the market, yet.. > > > http://www.allenorgan.com/store/aoc-031-0065.html > > i have not watched this video myself > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustics From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:45:29 -0500   On 2/19/04 9:08 PM, "Melisma" <melisma@uniserve.com> wrote:   > Like I said, it's not a large bathroom, so how could there be an echo? I = have > heard echos in large, non-carpeted churches, but never expected it in my > bathroom :)   Oh, Mel! A large reverberant room is neat, but even a small one works. That's why every man, upon stepping into a shower stall, turns into a Pavarotti! (Maybe ladies do, too, but I don't shower with ladies, so I don't know.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:47:30 EST   In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:12:04 AM Central Standard Time, jarmengaud@apsydev.com writes: Thanks for the answers,   I do have the Allen video, but as far as registration is concerned, I = found it rather basic... I am looking for something that go further...   Thanks, Joel, Study the registrations in scores of Franck, Vierne, Widor, Dupre and Messiaen. Get recordings of their music on real French organs (Ben Van = Oosten, Marie Clare Alain, Daniel Roth are all excellent), and follow along with the scores. Besides that, listen to recordings of Bach-David Schrader, Lionel = Rogg, and Hans Fagius have made exceptional recordings on traditional organs. Experiment with registrations on Chorale Preludes and Trio Sonatas. Learn = about Organo Pleno. Learn all of the French Classic registrations-grand jeu, = plain jeu etc...they are all listed in the Dover Edition of the Two Masses by F. Couperin. Its really not that much info to swallow.   As for as hymn playing is concerned-use your ears. A general, practical, =   and safe foundation of hymn registrations can usually be an 8' diapason = on the great, and some kind of a 16' and 8' pedal foundation. If you have 8 and = 4' diapasons on in the manual-have 16 and 8' on in the pedal, if you have 8' = 4' 2' in the manual, have 16, 8, and 4' in the pedal. If you have 8, 4, 2, mixture on in the manual, have 16, 8, 4, mixture (or 16' reed or both = mixture and reed) on in the pedal. See where this is going?   There are a few basic families of stops. 1.principals/diapasons 2. flutes 3. strings 4. reeds   The French make it even easier. there are FONDS (foundations)-which include all 32-4' principals = (montres), strings, and flutes   there are ANCHES-reeds-32' -4'   there are mutations -2', mixtures, cornets etc...   Where are you located? If you were in Chicago, I would be happy to get together with you to go through some of this stuff. I'm sure that some = list member is near you, and would be thrilled to help you out. It may seem overwhelming, but in actuality is the easiest part of organ playing. = There are lots of good folks on this list who will help you. gfc       Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Mass at SJE Boston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:52:45 -0500   On 2/19/04 10:43 PM, "DERREINETOR@aol.com" <DERREINETOR@aol.com> wrote:   > I believe that Bishop Malone is, indeed, going to become the Ordinary in > Portland.=20   Bill, that=B9s my understanding. He=B9s been, and now is, auxiliary in Boston, but will be ordinary in Portland. If I said something otherwise, it must have been my mistake.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:35:01 -0600   The Gleason method books cover registration in some detail. A good music library will have at least one edition.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Joel Armengaud Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:11 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration   Thanks for the answers,   I do have the Allen video, but as far as registration is concerned, I found it rather basic... I am looking for something that go further...   Thanks,   -Joel   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration     > > Could someone recommend some literature about the art of > > registration, for the beginner preferably? > > > > In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but > > I'm not sure there is something on the market, yet.. > > > http://www.allenorgan.com/store/aoc-031-0065.html > > i have not watched this video myself > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: detached "tracker" keydesks From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:53:12 -0600   The use of thin wires or cables was developed in Germany back in the 60's. Both Laukhuff and Heuss developed and marketed parts for its use. Some rather large organs were built using the system, which was usually called litzendraht. It was usually like heavy fishing line with a plastic cover. One notable organ built with the system was the Wurzburg cathedral organ = by Klais. Hans Gerd told me himself the they took it all out again very sho= rtly and replaced it with wood trackers. There are several inherent problems with the system: it is not self supporting between hangers as wood trackers are, and tends to develop a slight sag which is felt as free play and sponginess in the key. Wear is= also a problem if it is passed through guides etc. Most builders abandoned it after a few tries. We have just completely rebuilt a l969 Bosch which utilized the system for pedal trackers. It was unreliable, and we replaced it with wooden trackers. The Claremor= e organ that Richard Schneider mentioned has wooden trackers, with a group = of wood trackers bundled together as a "dead" tracker to stabilize the squar= e rail motion. That was a system developed by GG, as far as I know, and is another whole story. Roy Redman   Richard Schneider wrote:   > "F. Richard Burt" wrote: > > > Do we have anyone from Holtkamp, AIO, or APOBA who > > can shed more light on this subject? > > I seem to recall that the Rosales/Glatter-G=F6tz organ in Claremont, CA= has > such a system. > > Anyone on the list familiar with that organ who can confirm or deny wha= t I > recall? > > Faithfully, > > G.A. > -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< > Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE > (217) 944-2527 FAX > arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL > arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Bach for Ash Wednesday From: "Timothy Bussey" <maestrotim@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:03:05 +0000   I am a sub organist and I am looking for some Bach pieces to play next = week for Ash Wednesday. Is there any Internet resource for Bach pieces sorted for use throughout the church year? I have the Barenreiter Bach complete organ works but it is a little difficult to navigate through them because there isn't a whole lot of English used.   Many thanks! tim   _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special = Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for Ash Wednesday From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:16:38 -0800 (PST)   Canticanova.com is a good resourse to use.   Timothy Bussey <maestrotim@hotmail.com> wrote:I am a sub organist and I am = looking for some Bach pieces to play next week for Ash Wednesday. Is there any Internet resource for Bach pieces sorted for use throughout the church year? I have the Barenreiter Bach complete organ works but it is a little difficult to navigate through them because there isn't a whole lot of English used.   Many thanks! tim   _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special = Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.  
(back) Subject: OHS Convention Buffalo NY July 13-20 From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:41:57 -0500   Registration information for the OHS convention in Buffalo July 13-20 is = now available online at http://www.organsociety.org   The registration form is downloadable, as is the "Convention at a Glance" and hotel reservations information. As well, there is a "slide show" of = most of the organs.   Also, the OHS journal "The Tracker" 49:1 describing the convention (with color pictures of almost all of the organs) will be mailed to OHS members early next week and the envelope will include a registration form.   OHS Conventions traditionally concentrate on the organs, themselves, = though the roster of players this year is rich, indeed:   Fred Swann Thomas Murray Ken Cowan Felix Hell David Schrader Will Headlee Lorenz Maycher Stephen Roberts Bruce Stevens James Hammann Peter Stoltzfus Scott Foppiano Derek Nickels Kristin Farmer J. R. Daniels MaryAnn Crugher Balduf David Bond Justin Hartz Scot Huntington Donald Fellows Tom Trenney Stephen Schnurr James Bigham Randy Bourne Andrew Scanlon Rhonda Sider Edgington Frederick Teardo Gail Archer Timothy Socha Mark DiGiampaolo   We will hear 33 or more organs during the week, representing the works of American organbuilders produced 1853-1997:   1853 Hall & Labagh 2m 1860 Garret House 2m 1876 E. & G. G. Hook & Hastings/2000 Andover 4m 1889 Hook & Hastings 2m 1893 Johnson & Son 3m 1895 Johnson & Son 3m 1896 Geo. S. Hutchings 4m 1896 Hook & Hastings/1954 Schlicker 3m 1897 Hinners & Albertsen 1m 1896 A. B. Felgemaker 1m 1901 Felgemaker 2m 1902 Barckhoff 2m 1903 W. W. Kimball 3m 1906 Barckhoff 2m 1908 Hope-Jones/1951-88 Schlicker 1911 Aeolian Organ Co. 2m 1913 M. P. Moller 3m 1919 Votteler-Holtkamp-Sparling 2m 1920 M. P. Moller 3m 1922 E. M. Skinner 4m 1925 Wurlitzer 4m, Shea's Theatre 1928 E. M. Skinner 2m 1933 Schlicker 2m 1934 W. W. Kimball 3m 1934 Wurlitzer 2m mortuary organ 1948 Schlicker 3m 1950 Aeolian-Skinner 2m 1958 Aeolian-Skinner 4m 1958 Schlicker 2m 1966 Schlicker 3m 1969 Robert Noehren 4m 1975 Schlicker 2m 1990 C. B. Fisk 3m 1997 Kegg Organ Co. 5m   Please join us!   Bill Van Pelt        
(back) Subject: RE: [PipeChat] Books on registration From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:44:06 -0600   My professor recommends either Gleason or Ritchie's "Organ Technique, Modern and Early." Personally, I like Ritchie better since it goes into greater detail. Alicia     -----Original Message----- From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:35:01 -0600 Subject: RE: [PipeChat] Books on registration   > The Gleason method books cover registration in some detail. A good > music library will have at least one edition. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Joel Armengaud > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:11 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration > > Thanks for the answers, > > I do have the Allen video, but as far as registration is concerned, I > found > it rather basic... I am looking for something that go further... > > Thanks, > > -Joel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bgsx" <bgsx52@sympatico.ca> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [PipeChat] Books on registration > > > > > Could someone recommend some literature about the art of > > > registration, for the beginner preferably? > > > > > > In fact an audio book, or a VHS/DVD would be better obviously, but > > > I'm not sure there is something on the market, yet.. > > > > > > http://www.allenorgan.com/store/aoc-031-0065.html > > > > i have not watched this video myself > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >