PipeChat Digest #4294 - Saturday, February 21, 2004
 
Re: Books on registration - theory and practice
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Books on registration
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: bathroom acoustics
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Content Organs
  by "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net>
Re: Books on registration - theory and practice
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Content Organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: another Richard White piece
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Content Organs
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Content Organs
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Content Organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Content Organs
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Content Organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Content Organs
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Content Organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Mormon organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Books on registration - theory and practice From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:19:12 EST   It's not as simple as it looks, especially for French literature of = all periods, where organbuilders and organist/composers collaborated and communicated. Most French Classic organ literature cannot be accurately = played on American organs, because most organs were designed with the wrong stops in = the wrong divisions at the wrong pitches. And you might consider the 8' Hautbois a reed, but it was considered = part of the foundations in 19th century French organbuilding. It was frequently =   drawn with all of the 8' flues in the Recit for a very specific sound, and = was also often drawn with the Trompette. This is why the disastrous American practice of placing it at 4' makes it worthless, both in solo, and in = combination. Take the time to read some more scholarly works, like Fesperman's tome = on The Language of the Classical French Organ, and study Rollin Smith's = writings on performance practice in the Romantic period. Treatises on organbuilding =   can often tell you much more about registration than organ playing books = that have gone through multiple editions without much scholarly updating over = the decades. If you think our views on French registration are skewed, wait = until you find out how off we have been about the sounds that Bach might have heard.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Books on registration From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:23:05 EST   I would not take the Audsley as a guide for registration, and the Irwin = has been multiply discounted as any kind of authoritative text.  
(back) Subject: Re: bathroom acoustics From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:28:03 EST   The bathrooms outside C. Michael Paul Hall, the small recital hall at Juilliard, were a favorite for harpists and flautists when I was there. Of = course, it sounded great, but I wonder how critical they could be about their = phrasing and musicality with such a resonant advantage. The padded cells (practice rooms) upstairs were probably more instructive and revealing...   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Content Organs From: "Robert Nickel" <rnickel@charter.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:16:30 -0600   I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone have an experience with these instruments? Here's the website: http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm   Please reply privately.   Bob Nickel      
(back) Subject: Re: Books on registration - theory and practice From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:12:24 -0800       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:     > And you might consider the 8' Hautbois a reed, but it was considered = part > of the foundations in 19th century French organbuilding. It was = frequently > drawn with all of the 8' flues in the Recit for a very specific sound, = and was > also often drawn with the Trompette. This is why the disastrous American =   > practice of placing it at 4' makes it worthless, both in solo, and in = combination. >   Question: wasn't the Hautbois placed on the Fonds side of the winchest because it WASN'T a chorus reed, rather than because it WAS a foundation stop? The question arises because the Voix Humaine (and any other soft solo reeds, if there were any)were also invariably placed on the Fonds side as well.   I have a vague memory of Fenner Douglass telling us in organ class that the situation at St. Clothilde was somewhat unique ... the Grand Orgue was built before the church achieved status as a stylish "suburban" parish, and there wasn't a lot of money ... if you look at the stoplist, there are a fair number of "holes" in it, even when compared to other modest sized three-manual C-Cs.   I know this possibly falls into the same realm as "If Bach had a Tuba, would he have used it?" but I seem to recall Douglass being of the opinion that one didn't necessarily have to ALWAYS draw the Hautbois with the fonds IF there was an 8' Diapason in the Recit, which of course there WASN'T at St. Clothilde. On the other hand, Fonds + Hautbois IS a lovely sound, and it WAS what Franck specified. My scores are still packed ... can someone look at the works written for the Trocadero organ and see if he still calls for the Hautbois?   Sebastian is completely right in any case, though, about the ridiculous practice of building the Hautbois as a 4' stop. There's NO literature of ANY period that calls for it, and the Franck question notwithstanding, a 4' Hautbois makes it impossible to draw the Petit Grand Jeu (Cornet + Hautbois) in the Recit for French baroque music. And that IS a universal requirement ... French baroque organs often contained ONLY a Cornet and a Hautbois in the Recit.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:31:53 -0800   The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at NAMM in Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical generic Dutch electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The three-manual was particularly annoying because the layout didn't follow the usual American console layout ... among other things, the locations of the Swell and Choir expression shoes was reversed.   Cheers,   Bud   Robert Nickel wrote:   > I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone have = an > experience with these instruments? Here's the website: > http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm > > Please reply privately. > > Bob Nickel > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: another Richard White piece From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:26:16 -0500   On 2/21/04 12:15 AM, "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> wrote:   > Enjoy >=20 What an extremely easy instruction to follow! I AM [enjoying].   I=B9m a Scandinavian, though not a Dane, but I think that even if I were not, I=B9d prefer the Marcussen over the Schantz. But each has its great worth.   I=B9m forwarding the URL to a couple of organists who are NOT on the list, an= d hope it results in a sale or two.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:29:32 -0800   I wonder how difficult it would be to reverse the order, because that's one thing to which I think I'd never get accustomed.   I looked at the web site, and really liked the design, especially thinking ahead to the new church we're building, and the need for a nice organ almost exactly the size of the Pastorale-P....   Eric     On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:31 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at > NAMM in Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical > generic Dutch electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The > three-manual was particularly annoying because the layout didn't > follow the usual American console layout ... among other things, the > locations of the Swell and Choir expression shoes was reversed. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Robert Nickel wrote: > >> I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone >> have an >> experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >> http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm >> Please reply privately. >> Bob Nickel >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:33:30 -0500   At 11:31 AM 2004-02-21 -0800, you wrote: >The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at NAMM = in >Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical generic = Dutch >electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The three-manual was >particularly annoying because the layout didn't follow the usual American =   >console layout ... among other things, the locations of the Swell and >Choir expression shoes was reversed. > >Cheers, > >Bud > >Robert Nickel wrote: > >>I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone have = an >>experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >>http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm >>Please reply privately. >>Bob Nickel   Bud and Bob,   The Hammond-Suzuki line of Classical organs is made by Content in Holland. For all intents and purposes they are the same organs, except that some of the sounds on the H/S are tailored to North American tastes. They say something about Aoelian Skinner samples in these organs, =   but I don't believe it.   Unless the newer ones are a great improvement, the sounds of the = individual stops is not particularly authentic.   Regards,   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:46:31 -0800   Then if you MUST contemplate an electronic substitute, go listen to the smaller Allens or Rodgers ... if these Content machines are what I think they are, they're from the Dutch company "Electronium", who builds the innards to a number of different electronic organ "builders" who then in turn just slap their name-plate on the product. The sound really is quite hideous, even for an electronic substitute. Allen and Rodgers both build small organs with small consoles ... you'd be MUCH better off with one of them.   Cheers,   Bud   Eric McKirdy wrote:   > I wonder how difficult it would be to reverse the order, because that's > one thing to which I think I'd never get accustomed. > > I looked at the web site, and really liked the design, especially > thinking ahead to the new church we're building, and the need for a nice =   > organ almost exactly the size of the Pastorale-P.... > > Eric > > > On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:31 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote: > >> The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at >> NAMM in Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical >> generic Dutch electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The >> three-manual was particularly annoying because the layout didn't >> follow the usual American console layout ... among other things, the >> locations of the Swell and Choir expression shoes was reversed. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bud >> >> Robert Nickel wrote: >> >>> I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone >>> have an >>> experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >>> http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm >>> Please reply privately. >>> Bob Nickel >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:41:50 -0800   I suspect you're right. I actually have my eye set on a Rodgers pipe/digital combination, three manuals and 40 digital ranks, and ten authentic ranks....   In my research I've discovered there's a sensor that sits in front of a frequently used pipe, and every time the organ is turned on, the digital ranks tune themselves automatically to the pipes. I swoon!   Eric     On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:46 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > Then if you MUST contemplate an electronic substitute, go listen to > the smaller Allens or Rodgers ... if these Content machines are what I > think they are, they're from the Dutch company "Electronium", who > builds the innards to a number of different electronic organ > "builders" who then in turn just slap their name-plate on the product. > The sound really is quite hideous, even for an electronic substitute. > Allen and Rodgers both build small organs with small consoles ... > you'd be MUCH better off with one of them. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Eric McKirdy wrote: > >> I wonder how difficult it would be to reverse the order, because >> that's one thing to which I think I'd never get accustomed. >> I looked at the web site, and really liked the design, especially >> thinking ahead to the new church we're building, and the need for a >> nice organ almost exactly the size of the Pastorale-P.... >> Eric >> On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:31 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote: >>> The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at >>> NAMM in Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical >>> generic Dutch electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The >>> three-manual was particularly annoying because the layout didn't >>> follow the usual American console layout ... among other things, the >>> locations of the Swell and Choir expression shoes was reversed. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bud >>> >>> Robert Nickel wrote: >>> >>>> I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone >>>> have an >>>> experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >>>> http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm >>>> Please reply privately. >>>> Bob Nickel >>>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >>>> topics >>>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>> >>> >>> >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >>> topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:03:34 -0800   Not to ignite THAT debate again, but despite the improvements in fuzzy logic tuning of combo instruments, the basic problem remains: unless you spend a FORTUNE on speakers and amps, the digital side simply CANNOT match the "presence" of the pipe side. Sound from a loudspeaker moves a smaller qualtity of air in a different way than a rank of pipes. And you will HEAR that difference, no matter what.   When I've played combo instruments, I SELDOM used the two sides together, except MAYBE to get more 8' sound ... then I'd draw all the digital 8' "flues" along with all the 8' pipe ranks.   It's my understanding that Mormon stake-houses ARE allowed to have pipe organs as long as the money is donated privately and doesn't come out of the regular budget. Doesn't Salt Lake set a cap on the amount that can be spent on an organ? Somebody said recently that if all the wards using the building want a pipe organ, they can go together and buy one. Is that correct?   Cheers,   Bud   Eric McKirdy wrote:   > I suspect you're right. I actually have my eye set on a Rodgers > pipe/digital combination, three manuals and 40 digital ranks, and ten > authentic ranks.... > > In my research I've discovered there's a sensor that sits in front of a > frequently used pipe, and every time the organ is turned on, the digital =   > ranks tune themselves automatically to the pipes. I swoon! > > Eric > > > On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:46 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote: > >> Then if you MUST contemplate an electronic substitute, go listen to >> the smaller Allens or Rodgers ... if these Content machines are what I >> think they are, they're from the Dutch company "Electronium", who >> builds the innards to a number of different electronic organ >> "builders" who then in turn just slap their name-plate on the product. >> The sound really is quite hideous, even for an electronic substitute. >> Allen and Rodgers both build small organs with small consoles ... >> you'd be MUCH better off with one of them. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bud >> >> Eric McKirdy wrote: >> >>> I wonder how difficult it would be to reverse the order, because >>> that's one thing to which I think I'd never get accustomed. >>> I looked at the web site, and really liked the design, especially >>> thinking ahead to the new church we're building, and the need for a >>> nice organ almost exactly the size of the Pastorale-P.... >>> Eric >>> On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 11:31 AM, quilisma@cox.net wrote: >>> >>>> The larger ones look identical to the new Hammond/Suzukis I saw at >>>> NAMM in Anaheim a couple of years ago ... the sound was that typical >>>> generic Dutch electronic organ sound ... sterile, bright, etc. The >>>> three-manual was particularly annoying because the layout didn't >>>> follow the usual American console layout ... among other things, the >>>> locations of the Swell and Choir expression shoes was reversed. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Bud >>>> >>>> Robert Nickel wrote: >>>> >>>>> I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone >>>>> have an >>>>> experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >>>>> http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm >>>>> Please reply privately. >>>>> Bob Nickel >>>>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>>>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics >>>>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>>>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>>>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics >>>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>>> >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:15:11 -0800   On Saturday, February 21, 2004, at 12:03 PM, quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > It's my understanding that Mormon stake-houses ARE allowed to have > pipe organs as long as the money is donated privately and doesn't come > out of the regular budget. Doesn't Salt Lake set a cap on the amount > that can be spent on an organ? Somebody said recently that if all the > wards using the building want a pipe organ, they can go together and > buy one. Is that correct?   That used to be the case, more or less. The church has always budgeted the same amount for an organ in a new building, and there have always been two or three models (almost always made by Allen or Rodgers) from which an organ for a building would be chosen based on the size of the building. It used to be that stake centers (this would be a regular church, but slightly larger to accommodate multiple congregations at one time) would get nicer organs, sometimes pipe organs, and then it was realized that for the cost of one nice pipe organ, the church could instead build an entire church somewhere in South America. Or perhaps Nebraska. So the mandate came down that there would be no more pipe organs, and individual congregations were no longer allowed to do their own private fund-raising.   Now, to qualify for a pipe organ in an LDS building, there is a list of about 93 criteria that must be satisfied (such as giving two or three recitals per year for the entire community, having at least three AGO certified organists who will regularly play it, etc), and the church will pay for it. Successful satisfaction of these criteria is few and far between.   (Bill Hestermann, please feel free to shed some more light!)   So far, we satisfy all of the criteria with which we've been presented... and I'm hoping a nice P/D combo will be a nice compromise to a full pipe organ -- which, of course, would be nothing short of glorious, but perhaps not completely feasible.   I hear you, when you describe the limitations of a P/D organ, and I would really love to play one before going to the wall to acquire one. I've read everything I can find about the differences between Allen's work and Rodgers' work in that arena of technology, and so far, Rodgers seems to impress me more.   Eric -- I would just like to say for the record that yes, of course a true authentic pipe organ would be better    
(back) Subject: Re: Content Organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:18:36 -0600       Robert Nickel wrote:   >I happened upon a new line of digital organs ... Content. Anyone have an >experience with these instruments? Here's the website: >http://www.content-organs.com/Resolutie/Eng/800.htm > > I have not heard of them, but it is nice to know that they are content. One pictures them standing happily in the meadow, contentedly chewing the cud all day long, with n'er a care in the world ...   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Mormon organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:29:03 -0800   I don't wanna get all snarky about it (grin), but the Tabernacle organ was recently rebuilt ... presumably that was expensive; a big new Schoenstein went into the new Assembly Hall; I presume that was VERY expensive; I would imagine either Allen or Rodgers could have done at least a credible job in the Assembly Hall's impossible acoustics, given digital reverb and enough speakers ... though building an electronic that would pump out enough sound to fill a dead room that seats 21,000 (sic) people WOULD have been a daunting challenge ... even the Allen (?) in temporary use at St. John the Divine in NYC doesn't have to do THAT.   You know where I'm going with this (grin) ... millions for pipe organs in that case was OK, but not in parish churches? BTW, I DO understand that the vast majority (if not all) of Mormon parish musicians are unpaid volunteers ... I doubt you get many professional organists with degrees and/or AGO certification who'll play for free. We've already debated the merits/demerits of THAT (chuckle).   In fairness to the Mormons, lots of Roman Catholic dioceses have come down with similar edicts ... one diocese put a cap of $100K (!) on the purchase of organs for new churches, no matter WHAT the size of the church. One MIGHT be able to build a hymn-playing machine with pipes for that amount, or possibly recycle an "experienced" organ.   Today's RC service CAN be played on a very modest organ, providing the acoustics are decent and the pipes are very GENEROUSLY scaled ... there's a little 1m Ott in Founders' Chapel, University of San Diego ( a fairly large room with indifferent acoustics) that does a fine job with something like:   MANUAL (divided stops, I think ... maybe not ... it's been awhile since I played it)   8' Open Diapason 8' Chimney Flute 4' Octave 4' Flute 2' Fifteenth Mixture (bass) / Cornet (treble) - (like the old Holtkamp at St. James ACC in Cleveland) 8' Oboe   PEDAL   16 Bourdon   Manual to Pedal   But I doubt you're going to build THAT for $100K ... builders?   Cheers,   Bud