PipeChat Digest #4302 - Thursday, February 26, 2004
 
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net>
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Carillon Method books
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin)
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Carillon Method books
  by "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital
Benny Hinn (was Re: FW: musicians)
  by "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com>
Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Pancake Day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Carillon Method books
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net>
Re: FW: musicians
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Benny Hinn (was Re: FW: musicians)
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:50:59 -0800   Hi Jim, This organ is at the Rouzerville United Methodist Church in = Rouzerville PA, which is a little town beside Waynesboro PA we are about = and hour south of Harrisburg. I am told by one of the members of the = congregation that this organ was bought or given from somewhere in = England. The church was rebuilt in 1915 and this organ as far as the = congregation knows was installed in 1915. They tell me that there was = paper work with the organ but no one knows where it is, and they believe = that it was damaged in a basement flood. We are having a guy come by in = the next few weeks to look over the organ becuase we have some problems. = So I have decided to try to take on the task of research this organ but = I am not sure if I will succeed.   Thanks. Jeremy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim McFarland=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company     Jeremy:   I don't know how this one slipped by me.   Back in the 60's and 70's I catalogued hundreds of old trackers in our = native central PA.   I am intrigued by the presence of an L-M here in PA. There is a = Moline near Williamsport. These are the only mid-western built organs = anywhere around here.   Can you fill in details about the organ, and when it was installed?   If I have time later, I can fill you in on L-M, but I am sure someone = else will step up to the plate before then.   Jim McFarland Millersville (Lancaster) PA       On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:12:25 -0800 "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> = writes: Hi,=20 My name is Jeremy Mills and I am the Organist at Rouzerville United = Methodist Church in southern PA. We have a Lancashire Marshall Organ = Company mechanical action organ. Does anyone have any information or = know where I can get information about Lancashire Marshall Organ = Company.   Thanks Jeremy Mills      
(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:16:37 -0500   Jeremy:   Please contact me privately.   mcfarland6@juno.com   Jim           On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:50:59 -0800 "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> writes: Hi Jim, This organ is at the Rouzerville United Methodist Church in Rouzerville PA, which is a little town beside Waynesboro PA we are about and hour south of Harrisburg. I am told by one of the members of the congregation that this organ was bought or given from somewhere in England. The church was rebuilt in 1915 and this organ as far as the congregation knows was installed in 1915. They tell me that there was paper work with the organ but no one knows where it is, and they believe that it was damaged in a basement flood. We are having a guy come by in the next few weeks to look over the organ becuase we have some problems. So I have decided to try to take on the task of research this organ but I am not sure if I will succeed.   Thanks. Jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McFarland To: pipechat@pipechat.org Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company     Jeremy:   I don't know how this one slipped by me.   Back in the 60's and 70's I catalogued hundreds of old trackers in our native central PA.   I am intrigued by the presence of an L-M here in PA. There is a Moline near Williamsport. These are the only mid-western built organs anywhere around here.   Can you fill in details about the organ, and when it was installed?   If I have time later, I can fill you in on L-M, but I am sure someone else will step up to the plate before then.   Jim McFarland Millersville (Lancaster) PA       On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:12:25 -0800 "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> writes: Hi, My name is Jeremy Mills and I am the Organist at Rouzerville United Methodist Church in southern PA. We have a Lancashire Marshall Organ Company mechanical action organ. Does anyone have any information or know where I can get information about Lancashire Marshall Organ Company.   Thanks Jeremy Mills  
(back) Subject: Carillon Method books From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:24:25 -0500   A friend of mine is starting up carillon lessons, and she needs the book "Carillon Playing" by Leen t'Hart. Does anyone know where the book can be found?   Thanks in advance-- Shelley (and Heidi, who very much is looking forward to playing the carillon)  
(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:28:50 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company       > This organ is at the Rouzerville United Methodist Church in = Rouzerville PA, which is a > little town beside Waynesboro PA we are about and hour south of Harrisburg. I am told by one > of the members of the congregation that this organ was bought or given from somewhere in > England.   Perhaps Scotland, rather than England? Could this have been one of the = many organs donated by Andrew Carnegie?   P.S. Jim McFarland probably deserves some credit, since many moons ago as an organbuilder I was originally one of his apprentices. The Moline at Muncy near Williamsport that he mentions is the instrument that originally got me interested in the Moline / Lancashire Marshall / Bennett = connection.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim McFarland To: pipechat@pipechat.org Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company     Jeremy:   I don't know how this one slipped by me.   Back in the 60's and 70's I catalogued hundreds of old trackers in our native central PA.   I am intrigued by the presence of an L-M here in PA. There is a Moline near Williamsport. These are the only mid-western built organs anywhere around here.   Can you fill in details about the organ, and when it was installed?   If I have time later, I can fill you in on L-M, but I am sure someone = else will step up to the plate before then.      
(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:34:09 EST   In a message dated 2/25/2004 3:11:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, = jt4118@pa.net writes: Does anyone have any information or know where I can get information about =   Lancashire Marshall Organ Company.   Thanks Jeremy Mills   here is some ifo from david Fox' s "Guide to North american Organ = Builders"   "Lancashire - Marshall Organ Co. Succeedded Lancashire & Turner and Moline Pipe Organ firms. partnership of John F. Lancashire and Octavius Marshall in Moline, IL. = 1873 - 1902. Succeeded by the Marshall =3D Bennett firm.   Lancahsire & Turner Partnership of John F Lancashire and John Turner in Moline IL 1873-1879; succeeded by the Moline Pipe Organ Co.   Lancashire, John F. (bio) born 1844 near Manchester England, son of Robert Lancashire. served 7-year apprenticeship to organbuilding in England, and afterwards worked several years in the leadingh factories in Liverpool and L:ondon. With willis firm in england. Pertner with Edward, George, Octavius, and thomas Marshall in Marshall Bros. Organ Co. of Ripon, Il; and in successor firm Marshall & Odenbrett, 1867. Relocated toMilwaukee, WI 1870 ... died 1898   Hope this helps.   Rick in VA    
(back) Subject: Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:35:47 -0600   Actually I knew this. I think there was another non-juring bishop over = here at some time too, though I forget the details. Mind you, though it = grieves me to say so, I don't think the nonjuring bishops would have been too = happy about the idea of a gay bishop. They were, like the Archbishop of Canterbury and other parts of the Anglican Communion, two or three hundred years behind the times.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: RE: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin)     Bud writes:   >When the General Convention elected Samuel Seabury to be America's first bishop,   And Seabury was not even the first Anglican bishop to serve in the New World. He was preceded, almost a lifetime away, by John Talbot, = consecrated to the episcopacy, ALSO by the non-jurors, in 1722. He was the first = rector of Saint Mary's, Burlington, N.J. and is buried in the churchyard there. See:   http://www.stmarysburlington.org/framehistory.htm (and click on the name "John Talbot" at the bottom for a brief explanation and a picture of the gravestone, which clearly proclaims him a bishop).   For some reason, this seems to be a little-known, if not suppressed, fact = in the history of the Episcopal Church.   >Our Apostolic Succession is from Scotland (and more recently the Old Catholics and the Swedish Lutherans), NOT from the Church of England.   At some special early-evening reception or other in the living room of St. Thomas Church, New York about ten years ago, I mentioned to Fr. Andrew of seeing a little store-front Swedish church a few blocks away, and then = asked him whether by our reckoning the Swedish Lutherans enjoy the Apostolic Succession and valid orders (being then unsure on that point). I assumed that he, former chaplain to His Grace of Canterbury and all, would know = the answer immediately, but he replied only that he *thought* they did. I continued to circulate and socialize in the room. A few minutes later, he found me and reported that, yes, Swedish Lutheran orders are definitely valid. He had evidently sent someone to make inquiries and bring him back an answer ASAP, in the middle of that social occasion. I thought it was "jolly decent" of him (as well as indicative of the seriousness with which many of us take the subject.)   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin) From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:45:02 -0500     On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:35:47 -0600 "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> writes: > I don't think the nonjuring bishops would have been > too happy about the idea of a gay bishop.     I hope I don't ruffle any one's feathers with this. Aw what the heck, it doesn't matter.     Do you know why Episcopalians can't play chess?   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't know the difference between a Bishop and a Queen!  
(back) Subject: Re: Carillon Method books From: "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:52:23 -0500   Your friend might check out http://www.gcna.org (Web site for The Guild of =   Carillonneurs in North America) for info.   One book they offer is "Playing the Carillon: An Introductory Method" by John Gouwens.   At 09:24 PM 2/25/2004, you wrote: >A friend of mine is starting up carillon lessons, and she needs the book >"Carillon Playing" by Leen t'Hart. Does anyone know where the book can >be found? > >Thanks in advance-- >Shelley (and Heidi, who very much is looking forward to playing the >carillon) >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -------------------------------------------------- Len Beyersdorfer LenB@MDigital.com MARATHON Digital Publishing Marlboro, Massachusetts 508-460-6172 --------------------------------------------------      
(back) Subject: Benny Hinn (was Re: FW: musicians) From: "Christopher Howerter" <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:56:42 -0500   Dear List,   I would like to say that my grandmother, with whom I live, watches Benny = Hinn quite avidly. I must say I too find the whole contemporary, = charismatic movement within the church quite disturbing. Every time she = has it on they are yelling and screaming and singing these praise and = worship songs. Quite frankly my dog could write better music! <g>   Sincerely, Christopher J. Howerter, SPC (who grew up a fundamentalist Baptist, was = baptized Methodist, plays for a Lutheran church, and would consider = himself Episcopalian)...bless my heart! -------------- Subject: Re: FW: musicians From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com<mailto:DERREINETOR@aol.com>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:53:02 EST   Many thanks to Mr. Turnbull of the BBC for this rather interesting = article!   It seems to me that the "importation" of British organists to fill = important=20 US posts has been a hot topic on this list as has been the more recent = topic=20 of the closing of some venerable US organ and sacred music programs.=20   This may spark controversy, but why not hire Brits? As an American I = consider=20 the National Cathedral a national treasure. As an Anglican, I'm proud = that=20 what we call our "National" Cathedral is associated with the Episcopal = church.=20 However, the Episcopal church is associated with the Anglican Communion, = which=20 includes (in fact, was created by) the Church of England. Why shouldn't = a=20 qualified English sacred musician be employed at an Episcopal/Anglican = cathedral=20 in Washington--or in Sydney, or Durban, or anywhere else? If British = churches=20 paid the kind of wages common in the United States, I know for a fact = that=20 there are some Anglican musicians in the US who would consider working = in the=20 UK--although they would have to give up the luxury of having = congregations=20 present on Sunday mornings.   I suspect that the willingness of British organists to work in the US = says=20 more good than bad about American Anglicanism and American candidates = for=20 certain key Anglican organ jobs. For all the university organ department = closings=20 and the continued 19th century trend in the US that results in tasteless = and=20 charismatic Benny Hinn Christianity, we're still producing outstanding = musicians=20 at an unprecedented rate. While some departments are closing, today's = American=20 Sacred Musicians are well schooled in the art of musicianship. What's = missing=20 is jobs. Not because we're hiring Brits for "important" jobs, but = because we=20 have allowed church to be defined by bad taste and that supremely = American=20 (meaning US) misunderstanding of republican democracy as a license for = mob rule=20 and anti-intellectualism.=20   Some food for thought and comment, Bill H. St. John's Bowdoin St., Boston.  
(back) Subject: Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:08:23 -0600   I don't think this is quite the right forum for discussing gay bishops, though personally as an Episcopalian I am, like a 2/3 majority of my = church, entirely in favor of them. I cannot help repeating, however, a statement made by Kirsopp Lake, one of the great Anglican New Testament scholars of the early twentieth century, that one of the problems is that "bishops in = in life, as in chess, often move obliquely."   John Speller.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: One If By Land, And Two If By Sea (grin)     > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:35:47 -0600 "John L. Speller" > <jlspeller@mindspring.com> writes: > > I don't think the nonjuring bishops would have been > > too happy about the idea of a gay bishop. > > > I hope I don't ruffle any one's feathers with this. > Aw what the heck, it doesn't matter. > > > Do you know why Episcopalians can't play chess? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't know the difference between a Bishop and a Queen! > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pancake Day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:09:13 -0500   On 2/25/04 12:34 PM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote:   > And then there's the German tradition of Fastnacht! Doughnuts! > > --Shirley > Whaaaat? That's a new one on me! More details, if permitted!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Carillon Method books From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:19:52 -0800   American Society of Carilloneurs (?) ... or hunt down Sally Slade Warner .... or look at the Carillon page in the Diapason. I think the Society is online.   Cheers,   Bud   Shelley Culver wrote:   > A friend of mine is starting up carillon lessons, and she needs the book > "Carillon Playing" by Leen t'Hart. Does anyone know where the book can > be found? > > Thanks in advance-- > Shelley (and Heidi, who very much is looking forward to playing the > carillon) > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:34:43 -0800   These organs that you speak of being donated, anyway that there is a = history anywhere of where and when these organs were donated to?   Jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company     > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy T. Mills" <jt4118@pa.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company > > > > > This organ is at the Rouzerville United Methodist Church in Rouzerville > PA, which is a > > little town beside Waynesboro PA we are about and hour south of > Harrisburg. I am told by one > of the members of the congregation that > this organ was bought or given from somewhere in > > England. > > Perhaps Scotland, rather than England? Could this have been one of the many > organs donated by Andrew Carnegie? > > P.S. Jim McFarland probably deserves some credit, since many moons ago = as > an organbuilder I was originally one of his apprentices. The Moline at > Muncy near Williamsport that he mentions is the instrument that = originally > got me interested in the Moline / Lancashire Marshall / Bennett connection. > > John Speller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim McFarland > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Cc: pipechat@pipechat.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company > > > Jeremy: > > I don't know how this one slipped by me. > > Back in the 60's and 70's I catalogued hundreds of old trackers in our > native central PA. > > I am intrigued by the presence of an L-M here in PA. There is a = Moline > near Williamsport. These are the only mid-western built organs anywhere > around here. > > Can you fill in details about the organ, and when it was installed? > > If I have time later, I can fill you in on L-M, but I am sure someone else > will step up to the plate before then. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: FW: musicians From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:49:37 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   When a respected figure such as Fred Swann makes a national point, it deserves to be taken very seriously, and on the evidence, he doubtless conveys valid concerns in the USA.   I wonder, however, if the success of English applicants hasn't a lot to do with church politics and proven administrative skills.   I don't know John Scott, other than as the composer (I believe) of an extremely tedious film score, and by his reputation within the Church of England as an organist and choir-trainer.   It goes without saying that he is a fine all round musician, with considerable experience in choir school matters. Perhaps not the greatest concert organist, he is nevertheless an extremely capable one; accuracy being more or less 100%, with musicianship of a high calibre.   Where John Scott scores, is in his personal credentials. Polite and charming to a fault, he is also a consummate craftsman and politician. He inherited a very difficult situation at St.Paul's, where severe financial cuts had caused the resignation of his predecessor, Dr Barry Rose. The Dean of the cathedral, if I recall, is/was a very difficult character, but John Scott seems to have survived the ordeal wonderfully. To create fantastic service music in such circumstances is, I believe, his greatest achievement.   So perhaps Fred Swann expresses very valid musical points, and I doubt that anyone "over here" has the slightest doubt about the abilities of American organists, and would agree with what he says. However, I suspect that, in the case of John Scott, the appointment has a great deal to do with his personal diplomacy and squeaky-clean personality.   He is, above all, a person of remarkable integrity, both personally, and as a fine musician.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Mark Turnbull <mark.turnbull@bbc.co.uk> wrote: > Hello from one of the keen watchers of this list > from the cold north-east of england. > I paste below an item from this weeks edition of the > church times...... > > =A0=A0 > Jobs go to imported organists > by Pat Ashworth > =A0=A0 > BRITISH ORGANISTS have a snob value, and are being > appointed to church positions in the United States > at the expense of native talent and the advancement > of the American repertoire, suggests the president > of the American Guild of Organists, Frederick Swann. >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools  
(back) Subject: Re: Benny Hinn (was Re: FW: musicians) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:53:08 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   And my cat could write better theology!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Christopher Howerter <OrgelspielerKMD@msn.com> wrote: I must say I > too find the whole contemporary, charismatic > movement within the church quite disturbing. Every > time she has it on they are yelling and screaming > and singing these praise and worship songs. Quite > frankly my dog could write better music! <g>     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools