PipeChat Digest #4304 - Thursday, February 26, 2004
Re: AFTER "THE PASSION" (off topic, x post)
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: AFTER "THE PASSION" (off topic, x post)
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: Searching Your Organ's Histroy
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Pancake Day
  by "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu>
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Pancake Day
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Pancake Day
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Under-winding
  by "BRUCE SHAW" <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca>

(back) Subject: Re: AFTER "THE PASSION" (off topic, x post) From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:41:19 -0400   I havent watched the Passion yet, But I agree with Scot 100% THe Passion is an account of what really happened,=20 To think, A Savior who took all that punishment for us, Well, That is = what our Churches are really all about, that is what we believe and what = we should believe, If we dont, then we have lost site of what Church is = really about. We have ourselves made church beautiful and not hard to look at. God = would want us to make it beautiful with the best of materials(Pipe = Organs,Stained Glass ). But when we lose site of the true meaning, we = have lost the reason for being . Church didnt start at Christmas where = we have all the control in the world of a harmless little baby. The = signifigence is there though, It really started at Easter, where he died = for our sins so that we may live.   Danielwh    
(back) Subject: RE: AFTER "THE PASSION" (off topic, x post) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:44:44 -0600   Thanks for the review, which was moving in itself. I'm so glad to hear good things about it, after the media has bashed away at it for the last month. Of course, all they are doing is getting everyone to go see it and telling us what we ought to think afterward.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Apology From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:20:51 -0600   Glenda wrote: > And A. G., after a meeting this morning where I was identified as a > "hostile attendee"   <snip>   > with cotton balls to soak up the excess bitchiness which I have > exhibited the last couple days   <snip>   > Seriously, I offended myself in my remarks, and humbly ask your > forgiveness. I would have sent this as a personal e-mail to you, but > since the original remarks were posted to the list, the retraction and > apology should also be to the entire list.   <snip>   Glenda,   Apology accepted.   Think nothing more of it.   Quite frankly, I've been altogether too busy to pay much attention, but my reaction has been one more of surprise than of hurt.   Today's my wife's Birthday and guess who's going out to dinner? If = there's any "arm-twisting" or bribing involved, it's the other way around, I = almost have to take her out and spend money at GUNPOINT!   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS  
(back) Subject: RE: Searching Your Organ's Histroy From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:22:28 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   The organ itself can give many clues if you are lucky and have a sharp = eye. Look out for inscriptions, labels, signatures etc on windchests, pallet boxes and case insides, panels or bungs; pipework (be careful here; if you don't know about pipe handling let it alone!!). Also look out for = obviously non original parts (of different materials, sometimes different color or making). Take photographs and note down every detail.   Sometimes, signatures and inscriptions are hidden deep at the inside (on sliders, for example) and don't are discovered until the organ is taken apart. If somebody comes to clean, repair or restore the organ make friends with him or her and gain permission to visit the instrument while it's disassembled, and please tell him or her NOT to remove, erase, sand away or overpaint these marks!   Make good friends with older folks who since ever lived in the town or parish area and had contact with the church and its activities. It can be amazing -specially in rural areas- how well they remember repairs or interventions at the instrument or who was (or were) the organist(s) at which time. Even non accurate "tales" (we call that 'oral tradition') can lead to facts later on. Find out if there is (or was) a chronist who recorded such facts, and if old papers or diaries may be conserved by his = or her descendants.   Last but not least: Contact the OHS and a professional organ restorer. I live in a country with a so different culture and climate that I cannot = give but overall indications from my electronic desk :)   To investigate an organ's history indeed is a detective work and many = times a clue leds to more questions and doubts that have to be resolved, and = other clues don't come out but after a time because they are overseen or hidden = as noted above, changing again the entire sheme with new facts. But I find it fascinating.   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.        
(back) Subject: Re: Pancake Day From: "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:25:56 -0500     > On 2/25/04 12:34 PM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: > >> And then there's the German tradition of Fastnacht! Doughnuts! >> >> --Shirley >> > Whaaaat? That's a new one on me! More details, if permitted! > > Alan > Seems like no one has taken up the challenge.   It's true--my family, which comes from southwest Germany, makes deep fried doughnuts (no holes!) every Shrove Tuesday. Maybe because they're home made, but they are ever so much more delicious than the pazcki that the supermarkets hustle around here for the two weeks preceding Shrove Tuesday.     MARGARETE THOMSEN ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ University of Michigan, ITCS, Help Desk Mac OS, Communications and Wireless Referrals On Feb 25, 2004, at 10:09 PM, Alan Freed wrote:    
(back) Subject: Re: AFTER "THE PASSION" From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:54:45 -0600   Hello, Scott, Glenda, et al: The description of your movie viewing was, indeed, very moving. Thank you. I was struck by the local television news coverage of the first night's showings. The local news reporters picked up on how much the movie motivated people to purchase the hardgoods that are on sale in addition to the viewing, itself. They spent more time talking about how much the merchants would make off the sale of these items than on the reviews of the movie itself, ...in my opinion, missing the whole point and purpose of the movie. After watching Nightline last night, I was somewhat re-assured by Ted Koppel's not-quite-so-cynical presentation, and gathered that, somewhere beneath that layer of thick armor, he just might be a believer. At the center of this moment in time to re-examine the "Passion" of the Christ of the Bible, let's see if we, too, can find it in each of our hearts to make it clear to those we serve through our churches (of all sorts that hold fast to the Gospel) that this deed was planned for each of us from Eternities Past. Then, I believe it all makes sense, and it becomes very personal. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Pancake Day From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:13:04 -0500       On 25 Feb 2004 at 22:09, Alan Freed wrote:   > On 2/25/04 12:34 PM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: > > > And then there's the German tradition of Fastnacht! Doughnuts! > > > > --Shirley > > > Whaaaat? That's a new one on me! More details, if permitted! > > Alan     Alan! Really? I thought *everybody* knew about Fastnacht!   Hmm... but in my research just now, it looks like it's not so much German = as it is Pennsylvania Dutch (or rather, Deutsch) and Amish. It seems to come from = a German carnival tradition, but probably adapted. Culled from a website (http://naproom.mu.nu/archives/012371.html):     Happy Fastnacht Day!! Happy Fastnacht day!! In case you don't know, fastnacht day, also known = as Fat Tuesday, Mardi Gras, or Shrove Tuesday, is a day where you eat yummy fattening donuts before giving up such food for lent.   In many parts of the world the period before Lent is a time for partying = before a period of fasting and self-reflection. The Germans celebrate Fasching, = Fasnacht or Karneval and the French have Mardi Gras. The translation of = "Fastnacht" is "Eve of the Fast." The Pennsylvania Dutch and Amish celebrate only a = single day--Fastnacht Day. The main tradition is the eating of fastnachts, which = are unleavened, deep-fried doughnuts, usually made with a potatoe batter and = is a way of using up the lard and before lent.   I know that this is really a regional thing, even on the state level. = Eastern Pennsylvania is full of people of Amish and Pennsylvania Dutch background. =   When I lived out near Pittsburgh I decided to go buy some Fastnachts on Fastnacht day, only to be looked at as if I had two heads. Apparently = those soft coal stompers out there don't know what a Fastnacht is.   Anyways. Even if you can't find real Fastnacht, go out and buy a donut and = eat it, and know that eating donuts on the day before Ash Wednesday is a = Pennsylvania Dutch and Amish tradition, and a tasty way to bring in the Lenten season.        
(back) Subject: Re: Pancake Day From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:20:08 -0500   On 2/26/04 11:13 AM, "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote:   > The Germans celebrate Fasching, Fasnacht or Karneval and the French have = Mardi > Gras.   Oh, I DO vaguely recall hearing of "Fasching"=3D=3Dbut doubt that I could = have defined it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:41:26 -0800 (PST)   Dear friends. Im actually tearing as I write this. I was informed today that the fate of the Organ Perfromance prorgam at the = Chicago College of Performing Arts (formerly Chicago Musical College) at = The Roosevelt University is under review. It too, may be cut. This is = where David Schhrader is professor and a fine one at that, not to mention = a DAMNED fine player of many pieces from memory at a moments notice. I had = bneen accepted in the program, but due to circumstancs, had to decline a = very generous scholarship offer to take a year off, and was planning to = enter next year. This potentially means that there will be no Organ programs in the Chicago = area what so ever, unless Jerome Butera is still teaching at DePaul = University in the Lincoln Park neighborood. Wheaton College in Wheaton is = still left but thats not Chicago. You all what is goin on? What are those of us who are young and want to be = organists going to do for an education? Chicago Musical College is a very = reasonably priced institution, and I think Dave is a great teacher and = player. Are potential employers going to know that there are not going to = be that many opportunities for us to earn college degrees? Where the hell = are we going to go? Seems like the colleges are thinking more about pocket = books that the futures of Sacred Music and Organ performance. Some of the = other schools ar just too damned expensive to attend. And in order to = attend some of them, a church job is an absolute must. But with churches = being so competetive and the economy now, so many degreed musicians are = taking positions that would be great for students. You all this is the last straw. We have got to do something. Desiree' in Chicago     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:21 -0500   I do believe there are still undergraduate and graduate programs going in = some fashion at my alma mater, Concordia in River Forest. The school is 9 = miles west of the Loop and a few blocks from the intersection of Chicago, = Oak Park, River Forest and (memory is sketchy) Elmwood Park. In my days = the music department was very large; I think it is very small these days = in part because it's now a "university" rather than the teachers college = it was in my day and probably all the mandatory music requirements for all = students were dropped long ago. I think they may even have phased out the = German Dept. which would have been unthinkable years ago for a school with = such strong Germanic/Lutheran roots.   Times change . . .  
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:00:35 -0800 (PST)   Im not goign to another church owned college. Too many beliefes and = politics. And Im a Christian saying that. My friend Art Griffin who's organist at First Baptist Congo in Chicago on = the Big Kimball (worlds largest enclosed) went to CU-River Forrest My thing is, Im picky about a teacher. I want someone who is a good = performer AND a good teacher. I sure do miss my Jimmy Dale (James Dale = Holloway 1961-2001). For me, they need artistry and flair in both areas, and the ability to = make me stay awake in their recitals. I wish Diane Bish still taught. So = looks liek I may be moving to NYC to study with Stephen Hamilton anyway at = Hunter College CUNY. Deopends on what happens at CCPA. I think the churches need to do something and make a stink about this. = These colleges are not taking into account. These churches are picky = theses days. A degree is needed to get the good paying jobs. And if you = don't have one, they will over look you, even if its for someone who has a = degree and can't play his/her way out of a wet paper sack. If I aint able = to get a degree for a school that is reasonably priced, im better studying = independantly and learning more. But that won't cut it in some churches. = There are other good schools that employ very good teachers and programs, = but some of us are products of single parent homes and pay for college = ourselves, with blessings and love from home, heavy help from Uncle Sam = and scholarships. Woe is me       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Under-winding From: "BRUCE SHAW" <bruce.shaw@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:47:55 -0700   >From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:02:14 -0600   >I have a question about wind pressure. I was practicing yesterday and = was playing something that was all-the-stops-pulled, and had a huge chord with the low C and G pedals playing also, and noticed that the tone dropped a little.   My home church organ was so badly underwinded that you couldn't hold any = chord longer than about five seconds with more than 10 stops on without = the entire organ sinking into the ocean.   >if it's one of those "just don't do that" things.   That was their answer to pretty much everything, including:   -the reeds are out of tune -D above middle C doesn't sound on any stop on the great -the swell shutters sound like a door in a horror movie -ciphers