PipeChat Digest #4306 - Friday, February 27, 2004
 
Re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Teardo Times Two - 1 Old, 1 New
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Carillon Method books
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: Teaching Company
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: The Teaching Company
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
ALL READ re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago  Musical Coll
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Fw: new Johannus organ
  by "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net>
Re: new Johannus organ
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4305 - 02/26/04
  by "Anne Nagle" <afnpiano@accessus.net>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago  Musical Coll
  by <OMusic@aol.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago  Musical Coll
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by "Thomas Belew" <tbelew@mac.com>
Re: The Teaching Company
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:37:10 -0500   Dear Scott and List,   I have not seen the film, so cannot speak about whether or not it has = anti - semitic elements. I do know that, after viewing the film, a = number of intelligent clergy have had a strong concern that it might = cause anti-semitic reactions. This is not quite saying that the film is, = in itself, anti-semitic, but rather that it does present a risk of = certain sorts of minds reacting knee jerk style, against Jews. In this = morning's NYTimes, we read: "This week, Christian leaders, including the = Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, = and Cardinal Edward M. Egan of the New York Roman Catholic Archdiocese, = issued statements that warned against using the film to revive = anti-Semitism. As if on cue [get this!], Lovingway United Pentecostal = Church in Denver posted a sign on its marquee yesterday saying, "Jews = Killed the Lord Jesus." I am happy to report that it was partly = dismantled by a passer-by.   In YOUR posting, there is a snide little implied accusation of some sort = which you might like to explain. "I would defy any one of the Jewish = faith (and NOT those members of the anti defamation league) to truly = call this film anti-Semetic. It's just not there." It would be = interesting to know your problem with the Anti-defamation League. I = wonder if you could explain your objection to this exemplary = organization that has tirelessly rooted out bigotry of all sorts.   I am sorry to carry on an off-topic thread. I hope it can soon end.   Thanks,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ScottFop@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed     In a message dated 2/26/04 3:59:00 PM Central Standard Time, = TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     Ladies and Gentlemen: The topic of this controversial film is not fodder for any of the = many=20 "chat" lists into which it was introduced. The instigator was aware = of this, and=20 made their choice.     Instigator? Hmmm, I have been called many things...and, yes- I DID = make my choice, and I sent the email anyway. Anything else?   -Scott   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: Teardo Times Two - 1 Old, 1 New From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:59:37 EST   Malcolm,   Thanks for the reviews. As usual, when you write a review, I have to read =   the whole post in one sitting, as I can't stop. I love your reviews. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: Carillon Method books From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:21:31 EST   Check with Joyce Jones and Herbert Colvin at Baylor. They did a Carrillon =   concert there last week. Eyrline    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Company From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:22:13 EST       I have ordered literally dozens of tape-sets from this company, most not music related and most are very, very good. I do have several of = Greenberg's sets. He is knowledgeable but opinionated, flippant and definitely gears his lectures for the music "laity." He is entertaining but don't expect = leading-edge research revelations. :)) Hope this helps :) Regards, Dick Siegel    
(back) Subject: Re: The Teaching Company From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:24:54 -0500   On 2/26/04 5:03 PM, "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> wrote:   > Has anybody had any experience with this company or these courses.   No. I did look at their Music offerings. Looks pretty spotty.   A catalog listing for "All 10 Great Masters" leaves me wondering.   Alan    
(back) Subject: ALL READ re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:25:07 -0600   At 05:01 PM 2/26/2004 -0500, Scott wrote: I DID make my choice, and I sent the email anyway. Anything else?   Scott:   Yes. You forgot "And I will not do it again.".   "Apologizing in advance" is not sufficient excuse for the posting of off-topic material, and especially not for the cross-posting of off topic material. Please be more considerate of your fellow Listmembers in the = future.   Everyone else:   This motion picture, and all discussion of any merits thereof, is entirely =   OFF TOPIC. Please refrain from any further comment onlist.   Thank you to all for your cooperation.   Sincerely,   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator <admin@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:38:00 -0500   At 11:41 AM 2004-02-26 -0800, you wrote: >Dear friends. > >Im actually tearing as I write this. > >I was informed today that the fate of the Organ Perfromance prorgam at = the >Chicago College of Performing Arts (formerly Chicago Musical College) at >The Roosevelt University is under review. It too, may be cut. This is >where David Schhrader is professor and a fine one at that, not to mention =   >a DAMNED fine player of many pieces from memory at a moments notice. I = had >bneen accepted in the program, but due to circumstancs, had to decline a >very generous scholarship offer to take a year off, and was planning to >enter next year. > >This potentially means that there will be no Organ programs in the = Chicago >area what so ever, unless Jerome Butera is still teaching at DePaul >University in the Lincoln Park neighborood. Wheaton College in Wheaton is =   >still left but thats not Chicago. > >You all what is goin on? What are those of us who are young and want to = be >organists going to do for an education? Chicago Musical College is a very =   >reasonably priced institution, and I think Dave is a great teacher and >player. Are potential employers going to know that there are not going to =   >be that many opportunities for us to earn college degrees? Where the hell =   >are we going to go? Seems like the colleges are thinking more about = pocket >books that the futures of Sacred Music and Organ performance. Some of the =   >other schools ar just too damned expensive to attend. And in order to >attend some of them, a church job is an absolute must. But with churches >being so competetive and the economy now, so many degreed musicians are >taking positions that would be great for students. > >You all this is the last straw. We have got to do something. > >Desiree' in Chicago Desiree,   You can always set up your own college with an organ program. But = remember for it to fly, it has to pay for itself. And that is the problem with organ programs right now, they are not even close to paying their own way.   Arie V.     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Fw: new Johannus organ From: "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:54:30 -0600   Subject: new Johannus organ     > On Sunday 2/22/04 a new Johannus 4m/139 digital ranks was recitaled at = St. > John's Lutheran in Arnold, MO . It is said to be the largest of this = make > in MO at this moment. It was installed in a new sanctuary for this = church > and the recitalist was Dr. Zuiderveld of Springfield , IL > This is of my own opinion. > The sanctuary seemed to have no reverberation not only for voice but = also > the organ. The organ seemed to have no added reverb to its sound though > having 36 channels of sound and over 5,000 watts. It bosts of having = 128 > programmable memory levels. Seems like a little over kill. Console is = a > beautiful red oak with reversed colors of its' keys. The drawknobs are > smaller than what one is used to. The sound was powerful but very dry = and > extremely pure. Though most newer organs are doctored for adding room > prescience and a chorusing of it's ranks I heard none. It was billed as = a > "Dutch" organ. It had extremely little string sound.. > I wonder if this voicing of room sound is not popular any more? The purity > is in the realm that piano tuners, such as myself, yearn that we could > achieve. It was almost distracting it was so pure > James Grebe > Piano-Forte Tuning & Repair > Artisan of Wood > WWW.JamesGrebe.com > 1526 Raspberry Lane > Arnold, MO 63010 > pianoman@accessus.net >      
(back) Subject: Re: new Johannus organ From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:25:43 -0500   On 2/26/04 7:54 PM, "James Grebe" <pianoman@accessus.net> wrote:   >> On Sunday 2/22/04 a new Johannus 4m/139 digital ranks was recitaled at = St. >> John's Lutheran in Arnold, MO . It is said to be the largest of this = make in >> MO at this moment. It was installed in a new sanctuary for this church = and >> the recitalist was Dr. Zuiderveld of Springfield , IL   James, I appreciate your comments.   I don't want to appear too bigoted here, but when an organ has more = manuals than it has RANKS of actual PIPES--or even PIPES at all! (forget RANKS of them!), I wonder whether money has been well spent. I mean, when they = say "4/139" who BELIEVES it? (That's bigger than the biggest church organ in the whole middle of the US of A!--which I think is 126 rks at Fourth Pres. in Chicago.)   Now that's a very opinionated opinion, and from a person NOT qualified to even HAVE an opinion. But that's where it is. But it was only a few = lines.   Can you supply URL for the parish? I'm curious to see this wonderful thing. (What can it LOOK like?) And how it's "billed."   Alan www.stlukesnyc.org for a small (but real) one    
(back) Subject: Re: Lancashire Marshall Organ Company From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:26:15 -0600   At 8:50 PM -0800 02/25/04, Jeremy T. Mills wrote: >Hi Jim, > This organ is at the Rouzerville United Methodist Church in >Rouzerville PA, which is a little town beside Waynesboro PA we are >about and hour south of Harrisburg. I am told by one of the members >of the congregation that this organ was bought or given from >somewhere in England. The church was rebuilt in 1915 and this organ >as far as the congregation knows was installed in 1915. They tell >me that there was paper work with the organ but no one knows where >it is, and they believe that it was damaged in a basement flood. We >are having a guy come by in the next few weeks to look over the >organ becuase we have some problems. So I have decided to try to >take on the task of research this organ but I am not sure if I will >succeed.   Jeremy   in doing some research in some various opus lists I have access to I found that your Lancashire-Marshall originally dates from some where around 1894. According to what i can find it had 12 ranksand 13 stops originally. Then in 1916 the Moller Company installed their Opus 2121 which was 2 manuals and 17 stops. The L-M organ was probably rebuilt by the Moller company at the time the church was rebuilt.   The old Moller records are somewhat available if you really want to research this some more. The records for this organ might give some more information about the 'rebuild" and the original organ. The OHS has them in storage and the OHS Archivist does make several trips each year to access and copy some of them. You might contact Stephen Pinel, the Archivist via the OHS web site at: http://www.organsociety.org   Hope this helps some what   David  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4305 - 02/26/04 From: "Anne Nagle" <afnpiano@accessus.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:27:52 -0600   Keith: This from a lurker..............a friend of mine sent me 4 sets (4 cassettes each) of Bach and the High Baroque Part 1, 2, 3 and 4 given by Robert Greenburg, the San Francisco Conservatory of Music. They have been riveting for me; I tried listening in my car and gave it up because I had such a difficult time focusing on my driving when the tapes are running. He gives what I would label as an entire humanities course around the Bach years.......actually a world view. I have loaned them out to students and friends and everyone raves about them.!!!! You won't be disappointed.........he is an excellent lecturer and I can't say that about too many professors!! Anne Nagle    
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: <OMusic@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:28:35 EST   Another suggestion is to come to Texas. There is Baylor in Waco, SMU, TCU = in Dallas, NTS and TWU in Denton. All have organ degrees. NTS has the = largest music department in the nation. Check them out on the web. Lee    
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:51:28 EST   In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:29:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, OMusic@aol.com writes:   > , SMU, TCU in Dallas, NTS and TWU in Denton. All have organ degrees. = NTS > has the largest   spell out the names-----what is NTS and TWU? methodist i know and TCU because of the bizarre mascot they have for the sports team.   dale in florida    
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "Thomas Belew" <tbelew@mac.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:02:08 -0600   Hi, I've never posted before, but , as an alumnus of the University of=20=   North Texas, I had to answer your question. UNT used to be known as=20 North Texas State University. It still has one of the more thriving=20 organ departments in this part of the country. TWU is Texas Woman's=20 University, a very fine institution indeed. Both are located in Denton,=20=   at the tip of a triangle that includes Ft. Worth and Dallas.   And, Gerre Hancock is moving to Austin to "resurrect" the organ dept at=20=   the University of Texas!!   So, Texas is where it's happening!   Thomas     On Thursday, February 26, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:29:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > OMusic@aol.com writes: > > , SMU, TCU in Dallas, NTS and TWU in Denton.=A0 All have organ = degrees.=A0=20 > NTS has the largest > > > > spell out the names-----what is NTS and TWU? > methodist i know and TCU because of the bizarre mascot they have for=20=   > the sports team. > > dale in florida >    
(back) Subject: Re: The Teaching Company From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:10:42 EST   In a message dated 2/26/2004 4:04:09 PM Central Standard Time, kwzimmerman@alltel.net writes: The courses are priced at about 20% of their usual list price.   I'm wondering if there is a typographical error in Keith's post in the sentence quoted above. The word I'm questioning is "of." If that was a = typo and the word is intended to be "off" - the financial implication is = tremendously different. If something normally priced at $60 is on sale for 20% of the original price, my math says the new price is $12.00. If, however, the = item is on sale for 20% off the original price, the sale price is $48.00, vastly = different.   At any rate, I'm eager to see if anyone has had any experience with these products . . . more especially if any of them include choral and/or organ performance or literature for the same genre.   What say ye?   Dale Rider Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ topics, nailed and derailed From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:23:22 EST   Scott,   I stick with what I wrote you personally: THANK YOU for sharing your experience. Organs, choirs, their literature, their mechanics, their = publications, installations, concerts are what this list is about.   HOWEVER, we interact as human beings on this list and occasionally it is a =   beneficial bi-product of human exchange to be privileged to get to know = "the whole person's thoughts, expressions, impressions and motivations."   Few of us, active on this and other lists, share from our hearts in other public or private venues. The fellowship is one of the biggest drawing = cards of such a forum - fellowship of the whole person, or at least an occasional discreet and proper "glimpse" of the inner person. THANK YOU, Scott. = Thank you!   Dale G. Rider Independence, MO    
(back) Subject: Re: LISTEN UP! The fate of the Organ department at Chicago Musical Coll From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:58:52 -0800 (PST)   That all great tha Gerre is moving to Texast teach at UTA. But since Susan = Fere was my teacher, and she cares a lot about my future, she feels Texas, = like Mississippi, may not be ready for me...an African Amercan Female = organist who gets the job done with a different sprakle. This is what she = says...the politics, Southern Baptism, and conservative aure are not per = me.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60649 http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail